The Gamecube was disappointing?

[BocoDragon]

Cube > N64

Now the N64 was disappointing compared to the AAA+ SNES.

I actually thought the Cube gave me much of what I was missing on 64... Metroid, mature games (RE, MGS Twin Snakes), actual RPGs (Skies of Arcadia).....

Anyone who thought they could buy a Cube alone and thought it should be like its own PS2 were probably disappointed, but those who bought Cube as a second console shouldn't have a reason to complain.

I got more great Nintendo games on Cube than I had on 64, and I even got a handful of great third party gems as well. To me that was a success.

I never experienced the "drought" that people talk about, though I remember it on N64 and I didn't even put much hope in that console. Then again, I think having one good game every two month or so is fine.... any more than that and I can't keep up!

[DigitalSpace]

The "accepted viewpoint" is that the Gamecube has the superior graphics, thanks to its massive CD storage (approximately who knows how many times more space).

Well.

I disagree. The Gamecube is disappointing compared to the N64. The Gamecube is pretty small, discs typically are very tiny, with games that fail to properly match-up ("disappointing" is the term most people use). I find the N64 characters such as Banjo, Mario, and Link to be far more...... not realistic, but definitely more beautiful. More solid and substantial.

The N64 graphics appear "less-disappointing" and "64-bit" versus its 128-bit competitor.

What's your opinion?

[DigitalSpace]

I love it!

Only costs me 5 dollars per game, for ~30 minutes. Great cheap console for an Emergency when I can't find any Veronica Mars to watch. And any game minutes are not realistic, but definitely more beautiful.

[DigitalSpace]

On my TV (aka the boob tube).

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[DigitalSpace]

I see all these ads with people jumping around & leaning sideways. Looks like fun. However...


I want to play Zelda (or Mario or Metroid) the old-fashioned way:
- laying in bed under the covers.

Can I still do that?

[bangtango]

Actually, the Gamecube was essentially TIED with the Xbox. Nobody calls the Xbox a "sales flop" so why would the Cube be a "sales flop" when it sold the same number of units?

Xbox == Cube in terms of sales performance (~25 million units)

You quoted me here, when you originally posted this. I was one of the people saying the Game Cube did ok. I never called it a flop. When I brought up stuff like the 3DO and Jaguar, that was to imply that Nintendo had never released a major product that sold that poorly. That wasn't meant to say the Game Cube sold as slowly as those did, I think that is the impression you got from my original post.

In case anyone mentions Virtual Boy:

With all due respect, the Virtual Boy doesn't really count because I see it as a diversion. It was never going to be something to replace an N64 with or even the Game Boy.

[DigitalSpace]

I reviewed some reviews. Differences I noted:

- Controls (obviously)
- Graphics are identical on both consoles
- Sound on the Cube is "sampled" like N64-style
- .....but orchestral/pre-recorded on the Wii
- (Is that true?)

Any other differences?

[DigitalSpace]

Hardware manufacturers have agreed to retire both formats and make new devices.

Sweet.

[Link:] http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...i_def_dvd.html

[Nature Boy]

Luigi's Mansion was a great game to get at launch, but I personally wouldn't include it as a 'gem' of the machine. IMO it's kinda of short (and I like short games normally) and didn't hold any incentive for me to replay it.

Eternal Darkness was easily my favourite GC game. Fantastic game. Unique. And I'd play it again in a second.

I wouldn't call the machine a disappointment in my eyes (that's the N64 for me), but it didn't inspire me to buy another Nintendo console once the Wii was announced, so it's a failure in that respect.

[exit]

This was posted by veronicamars_fan, so therefore it loses all credibility.

The Gamecube may not have been a massive success, but it had it's share of wonderful games and paid for itself in the end. It also had the best ports of the Prince of Persia games.

[Kid Ice]

Cube > N64

Now the N64 was disappointing compared to the AAA+ SNES.

I actually thought the Cube gave me much of what I was missing on 64... Metroid, mature games (RE, MGS Twin Snakes), actual RPGs (Skies of Arcadia).....

So right there aside from Metroid you have three games you can play on other systems. Yeah they're all "good" but they hardly make the system a "must have". The Gamecube just never developed its own identity.

Pick a system and fill in the blanks:

You gotta have a _______ to play _________.

For me the Gamecube just never filled in that second blank. Well actually, it did for the eight months or so that RE4 was a GC exclusive.

[Pilotwings]

Super monkeyball 1+2 Gc versions are best with cube analog. Ikaruga is cheaper and has extra modes, Wario ware , Smashbros, Soul caliber 2 with link. Pro evo soccer 2.5 edition. These games are why i keep my cube plus i have Astro boy and Gunstar S heroes 4 the Gc player. I played some other good games like prime etc but yes i have 2 agree the cube was complete and utter dirt cakes compared to the gems on the 64.

[Wolf]

I liked it for what it was, for once nintendo had some quality third party support, remake and 0 were the reasons I bought one and I also had alot of fun with the gba, even though I get sick of the horrible res and pathetic sound quality.

[ShenmueFan]

The Gamecube is a neat system for a few odd reasons:

- The discs are really small and are just weird...kinda in a "neat weird" sort of way
- The system is really portable, especially with the nifty handle
- The suckers last a long damn time - just like the N64, SNES, etc.
- The games are cheap
- The Gamecube controller is actually really comfortable, even if it isn't a good setup for many games (especially console ports)
- Some neat games came out for it (Pikmin comes to mind mostly)


The N64 was better overall though in my mind, simply because its great games did a lot more for their respective genres and back in the late 90s, Nintendo hadn't driven all these franchises into the ground like the Gamecube unfortunately did.

[8-bitNesMan]

Nintendo hadn't driven all these franchises into the ground like the Gamecube unfortunately did.

What rock you been livin' under? They weren't 1st place last time around but I wouldn't go so far as to say they drove their franchises into the ground. And with the combined success of the DS and the Wii, I'd say they're more than holding their own this time and their future looks rosy.

[ShenmueFan]

^^^ I meant that Nintendo really had "sequel-itis" with the Cube for some reason.

Starfox...Cool (SNES) > Starfox 64...okay... (N64) > Star Fox Adventures ughh... (GC) > Starfox Assault...yawn... (GC)

Zelda III...Awesome (SNES) > Zelda 64...Awesome (N64) > Majora's Mask...Awesome (N64) > Wind Waker...yawn...(GC) > Twilight Princess...yawn (GC/Wii)

Mario World...Awesome (SNES) > Yoshi's Island...Awesome (SNES) > Super Mario 64...Awesome (N64) > Mario Sunshine....yawn... (GC)

Super Smash Bros...okay... (N64) > Super Smash Bros. Melee....yawn...(GC)

Mario Kart....Awesome (SNES) > Mario Kart 64...okay...(N64) > Mario Kart Double Dash...ughhh.... (GC)

Metroid Prime....Okay (GC) > Metroid Prime II...yawn.... (GC)

Pikmin, Eternal Darkness & Metroid Prime are the GC's best "exclusive" games and I think that for a system w/ as long of lifespan and installed base as it had, such a small number of really good games were made in comparison to cookie-cutter sequels.

[Promophile]

^^^ I meant that Nintendo really had "sequel-itis" with the Cube for some reason.

Starfox...Cool (SNES) > Starfox 64...okay... (N64) > Star Fox Adventures ughh... (GC) > Starfox Assault...yawn... (GC)

Zelda III...Awesome (SNES) > Zelda 64...Awesome (N64) > Majora's Mask...Awesome (N64) > Wind Waker...yawn...(GC) > Twilight Princess...yawn (GC/Wii)

Mario World...Awesome (SNES) > Yoshi's Island...Awesome (SNES) > Super Mario 64...Awesome (N64) > Mario Sunshine....yawn... (GC)

Super Smash Bros...okay... (N64) > Super Smash Bros. Melee....yawn...(GC)

Mario Kart....Awesome (SNES) > Mario Kart 64...okay...(N64) > Mario Kart Double Dash...ughhh.... (GC)

Metroid Prime....Okay (GC) > Metroid Prime II...yawn.... (GC)

Pikmin, Eternal Darkness & Metroid Prime are the GC's best "exclusive" games and I think that for a system w/ as long of lifespan and installed base as it had, such a small number of really good games were made in comparison to cookie-cutter sequels.

You're forgetting Animal Crossing, REmake (it's a complete remake, not a port), RE4 (well, it was supposed to be exclusive... its def the best looking version of RE4), and a bunch of neat 3rd party titles.

How can you *yawn* at SSBM? It's such an improvement over SSB that it's not even funny.

And as a side note, since when has making a whole ONE sequel meant milking a franchise?

[BocoDragon]

So right there aside from Metroid you have three games you can play on other systems. Yeah they're all "good" but they hardly make the system a "must have". The Gamecube just never developed its own identity.

Pick a system and fill in the blanks:

You gotta have a _______ to play _________.

For me the Gamecube just never filled in that second blank. Well actually, it did for the eight months or so that RE4 was a GC exclusive.

If you are talking about A+++ games like RE4, you have a point.

But in general, Cube had a lot of cool third party exclusives, the likes of which there mostly weren't on the N64. Resident Evil (remake), Resident Evil Zero, Metal Gear Twin Snakes (remake), FF: Crystal Chronicles.....

N64 really did have only Nintendo exclusives... And Ogre Battle. I'm trying to think of others...... there weren't any?

[veronica_marsfan]

The Cube's RE-remake, RE0, and FFCC are nothing to brag about. All middling quality, and I sold them immediately after I finished. Not worthy of collecting. (Was MGTS exclusive? I thought I played that on my PS2.) I only limit myself to collecting great games and RE1,RE0, FFCC don't qualify.

N64 really did have only Nintendo exclusives... And Ogre Battle. I'm trying to think of others...... there weren't any?

You've forgotten about Rare and all the great games they contributed to the N64. IMHO not having Rare really hurt the cube. The Cube has the "sound" of Banjo Kazooie "walking" in its opening screen (hold down the B button). But Banjo's nowhere to be seen on the Cube. Nor the other Rare exclusives that made the N64 great. ----- That just left the cube with mainly Nintendo exclusives (mario, zelda, starfox adventures), each one of which was a "rush job" and inferior quality.

Also:

My point of view is from a 30-something adult, which is what age I went back & played all these consoles: NES. SNES. N64. And of course Gamecube. So my POV on all these consoles is identical. (I was in the computer gaming scene from 1985-2000, and never touched any of the Nintendo consoles.)

Are the 1st and 2nd party games on each console fun or not? NES? Yeah sort of. SNES? Absolutely! N64? Yes. Cube? No.

[ozyr]

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think the GameCube kicked ass. Still due, and still play games on it. Deal with it.

Oh, by the way, in my honest opinion the Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360, and PS3 are alll disappointing. Just to let you now... (and I mean this too)

[Kid Ice]

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N64 really did have only Nintendo exclusives... And Ogre Battle. I'm trying to think of others...... there weren't any?

Wipeout 64 (not released on any other system)
Ridge Racer 64 (not released on any other system until DS)
Quake 2 (I believe the N64 version was an exclusive)
Doom (the N64 version was an exclusive)

[KingCobra]

All consoles have thier Gems, over the long haul? I just can't see it in the overal sheme of consoles being sought after as time goes on. It's a great peace of hardware with the add-on gameboy player indeed! and a handfull of great games, it's just didn't get that extra touch to put it into the elite line of console greats

Mine collects dust *sigh* with the same consoles in that gen still on the set-up(DC/PS2/Xbox), I'd rather fire up an DC/PS2 or Xbox game

[skylark]

I don't know if I'd say it was a great system, but it was far from disappointing. Windwaker was the reason I bought it, and it's still one of my favorite games. It gets bashed, but I have yet to see a game that's such a joy to look at. I've also put a lot of time into Chibi Robo, Odama, Pikmin 1 & 2, Skies of Arcadia, Tales of Symphonia, RE 4, and even Star Fox Adventures, which I thought was more decent than people give it credit for being. Would I want it to be my only console? No, but getting one was still a no-brainer. I could have swapped my Xbox for a PS2 without any problem, but I would have missed my Gamecube.

[crisssybwoy]

The Gamecube was disappointing?

Not for me. Loads of fun games on the good old 'cube
. Chibi-robo, Animal Crossing, RE & 0&4, Pikmin, Mario Kart DD, Ikuruga. Probably all been mentioned above but for me it is a great system with plenty of great games.

[Slate]

I can agree that I rarely play my gamecube (Heck, I never played it once I got my xbox) But there are stil a few good exclusives. Paper mario: TTYD, Mario party (Series) Super Smash bros: melee, And the game boy player.