Rare PS2 Games?

[shadow77110]

What rare PS2 games are there? I was thinking:
-Rez
-Klonoa 2
-Gitaroo Man
What are some others that you guys know of?
By the way, do you think I should try and talk some video shop guys to sell me Rez and Klonoa 2, since I can't find them anywhere else where I am.

[sayin999]

Definetly Marvel vs. Capcom 2.

[norkusa]

There are at least a dozen threads on this subject already. Try using the search option and check those out.


BTW, Rez and Gitaroo ain't rare. They were re-printed by GQD last year and you can find used copies for sale in just about any Gamestop.

Going strictly by print numbers though, Dual Hearts from Atlus is said to be the rarest PS2 game. Supposedly less than 5,000 copies were made.

[yok-dfa]

Going strictly by print numbers though, Dual Hearts from Atlus is said to be the rarest PS2 game. Supposedly less than 5,000 copies were made.

I think Polaroid Pete would be the rarest game. As far as i know only a few copies have made it to the public before they pulled the title because of some disagreement about copyrights...

[yok-dfa]

Oh and BTW if you want to know if a game is rare, search ebay for it. If none show up, there is a chance it *might* be rare:

Rez has 47 copies on ebay.com right now
Gitarooman has 26 copies on ebay.com right now
Klonoa 2 has 5 copies on ebay.com right now
Dual hearts: 17 copieso on ebay.com right now

[dojosky]

dual hearts isnt too rare i can find it at game shops around me here where did u get the print run numbers from ? thanks !

[Trebuken]

Firefighter FD18 was listed as rare on another thread.

Some others that I have found are rare (for the PS2) are:

Gradius II+IV
Sky Odyssey
Rayman 2 Revolution

It's all relative I suppose...
I think the rarest PS2 games would only make it to R3 in terms of a DP guide.

Later,
Trebuken

[Oobgarm]

99.9% of all PS2 'rarities' are a result of regional supplies.

At best, a harder to find PS2 title would rank R5, I think. I haven't started to apply the rarity numbers to the guide, but it is something I intend on doing in the near future.

Even though there are tons of threads on this, I'll add my 2 cents. These are ones I personally haven't seen in a long time.

Casper: Spirit Dimensions
Crimson Sea 2
Dark Summit
Dino Stalker
Disney Golf
Dropship: United Peace Force
Ephemeral Fantasia
Escape from Monkey Island
ESPN: MLS Extra Time
ESPN: NFL Prime Time 2002
EverBlue 2
Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
Fatal Frame 2: Crimson Butterfly
Firefighter F.D.18
Frequency
Fur Fighters: Viggo's Revenge
G1 Jockey 3
Giants: Citizen Kabuto
GTC Africa
Kya: Dark Lineage
Malice
Mystic Heroes
Pirates: The Legend of Black Kat
PK: Out of the Shadows (Disney's)
Portal Runner
R.A.D.: Robot Alchemic Drive
Ribbit King
Rumble Racing
Secret Weapons Over Normandy
Shifters
Sitting Ducks
Soccer America International Cup
Speed Kings
Sub Rebellion
Theme Park Roller Coaster
Top Gear Daredevil
Tsugunai: Atonement
Unison: Rebels of Rhythm and Dance
WhiteOut
Wrath Unleashed
X-Squad

[Perkar]

99.9% of all PS2 'rarities' are a result of regional supplies.

agreed 100%

and in your list... i count at least 7 of those titles sitting in my store right now, most of which have been sitting there for some time. so yeah... rarity at this point in the ps2's life is definitely a regional thing.... once games done being produced, and you're only able to procure titles from ebay and such (which admittedly will be a very long time from now), things might start to even out a tad.

[kentuckyfried]

I always assumed that Naval Ops by Koei was rare, but I see several listings for it on ebay, though it seems to never really reach high price points either.

[devils advocate]

I know this may be slightly off topic, but it still relates.


I think a rarity level for a game is almost a moot point. It's also open for interpretation. The DP lists are the best thing we, as gamers have, but I still think that as this hobby grows, it will need an overhaul.

IE. Psychic detective for the PS1 is rated as an R8. But, the chances of finding it in the wild are much higher than say, an R8 for the Vectrex etc.(just an example, insert your favorite comparison here). While the rarity rating doesn't really show it, the value does seem to reflect it. Obviously demand plays its part as well.

For the most part, collectors are applying a higher value for a higher rating. Now, as with any hobby this is not always the case. Nor is the rarity level always accurat, as we could all certainly find a few games in the database that are way off.

When I was younger, I was fortunate enough to have a friend who owned a card store, and he was one of the contributors to Beckett magazine for Hockey.
I think there system for valuing is quite good. Not perfect, but a step up from what we have.
They evaluate their market on a montly basis(obviously too much for our hobby, as the $$ are not there to support it yet...YET) by taking dealer and private sales into account. Rarity never plays a part of it. The market reflects value. Not rarity. While the manufacturers may produce a card in very limited numbers, it may still have low demand. Hence, a low value.
They also use a hi/low value scheme. Very useful. It takes bargain shopping into account and full retail.
IE. 10 people bought from Ebay for game X
10 People found it in the wild
10 people from game stores.
Take the Ebay prices, shave off the bottom 10% and the top 10%, and that gives you a fairly good going HIGH rate.
Take the wild finds and do the same.
Now, you may have game x which goes for 50USD on the high side, with no shopping around searching etc. BUT it may go for 15USD on the low side, and you could expect to find that only with some luck, AND extensive shopping. With those 2 prices in mind, you could judge what kind of "deal" you have found on the game you are looking for.

It kind of takes the rating for a game, and puts it in the markets hands, and out of the "rarity" judicators. Whether that is good or not is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm just uneasy about the rarity guide, as it's decided upon by very few people. I think they do a great job, and the DP guide is the only one I use.. For now.

I just think it's "off" in a lot of cases. Final fantasy VII for example. It has seen a huge price increase lately. It can go between 5075 used on Ebay. It doesn't change the RARITY of it, but obviously the demand is higher, whether people like it or not. The market reflects, what the market can bear. Tis the law of supply and demand. Now, we also know that with some shopping we can find it for five bucks even. Well the DP guide rates the rarity low, which is obviously accurate, as the game was a trillion seller or something crazy. BUT, it does show a value of 15-20 bucks or something. (I can't remember exactly, but somewhere around there). Well, that's not exactly the real value is it? It could have a value as HIGH as 75usd or as low as 5-10 USD. Showing that, also shows the collectors/buyers the volatility of said game. Some games will have a high fluctuation between their high/low values repectively, and some will not. The ones with a high spread between the high/low will show market instability, which accounts for threads that I see of people saying "I can't believe FFVII is going for 75 bucks. I got mine for five, OR "that price will come down, it's just an Ebay anomale"... And it very well might, or it might not. Again, the updates from inputters will show the trending.

Anyways, just my two cents on helping our hobby.
Regards, Julian

[s1lence]

Well Disgaea used to be hard to find until the recent reprinting.

I could see Metal Saga being a hard one to find in the future, but atm I don't think there is truely a "rare" PS2 title.

[Kroogah]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway. :D

[The Shawn]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway.

Agreed!!

[devils advocate]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway.

But when I look in our buy/sell forum, I see lots of good deals, lots of "going prices", and lots of overpriced stuff. Very reflective of having a hi/lo system, isn't it?

Friendly, collector to collector sales are great, and we have lots here. But I don't see too many people GIVING away their Stadium events or DKC comp cart, right?

While we may have lots of collectors trading, they still trade with "perceived value" in mind, generally. I have not heard of too many Combat carts traded for Quadrun, have you? And if it did happen, I would consider that as being part of the 10% of false valuing that you shave off when doing stat tracking.

So it still applies, I would say. And is still very reflective, IMHO.

[devils advocate]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway.

I guess what I meant is;

Using a hi/lo system doesn't change or deter what goes on between collectors. Collectors and gamers know WHAT they will spend, and often WHAT OTHER people have spent.

So, we already have this system, we just don't use or document it.

[devils advocate]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway.

But when I look in our buy/sell forum, I see lots of good deals, lots of "going prices", and lots of overpriced stuff. Very reflective of having a hi/lo system, isn't it?

Friendly, collector to collector sales are great, and we have lots here. But I don't see too many people GIVING away their Stadium events or DKC comp cart, right?

While we may have lots of collectors trading, they still trade with "perceived value" in mind, generally. I have not heard of too many Combat carts traded for Quadrun, have you? And if it did happen, I would consider that as being part of the 10% of false valuing that you shave off when doing stat tracking.

So it still applies, I would say. And is still very reflective, IMHO.

[devils advocate]

After some research, The DP guide shows Final Fantasy VII with a $ value of 10usd complete. I'll take as many copies as people are willing to give me for 10 bucks. Yes, I would resell them. All to Ebay they would go. The guide doesn't differentiate between Ebay sellers and hobbyists does it? So, therefore, the value is completely incorrect.

What could happen here, is that a new collector may see that amount, and offer to trade his copy for a copy of something else with the same DP value, and ultimately, whether money was traded hands or not, be somewhat ripped off in a trade. While he still may be happy with his trade, and love the new game he got back. The fact is, he could of received so much more. And, if he finds that out afterwards, it may slightly turn him off from our wonderful hobby.
And so, in the end, the guide that was designed to enhance our hobby for enthusiasts, (be them financially based collectors OR pure gamers with no care of making money) may actually do the opposite. That would be sad.

[devils advocate]

The prices in the DP guide are meant to be friendly, collector-to-collector prices. Not current market value, for all the reasons you just stated in your comparison to Beckett's.

We all prefer trading, anyway.

One last thing, and I'll let it go.

Would you TRADE me four complete non GH copies of Final Fantasy VII for my one complete copy of Devils Crush?

Probably not. (And if you want, I'll gladly do it, in a heartbeat!!!) . So it shows how skewed one single set price can be.

In MHO , I think DP should either use a reflective value system, or none at all. Just my opinion. Either would be great. The market value have decided themselves for years, with or without documentation. The only thing a skewed price can do, is hurt the uneducated!!

I usually hear people refer to the DP guide as a rarity guide, NOT a price guide. If it truly is only a rarity guide, why are there any prices listed whatsoever.

Again, please don't think I don't value all of the DP's "staff" inputters. They are invaluable, and often spot on with rarity levels. I just think the PRICES are completely skewed, and can only possibly confuse people.

[theshizzle3000]

Well Disgaea used to be hard to find until the recent reprinting.

I could see Metal Saga being a hard one to find in the future, but atm I don't think there is truely a "rare" PS2 title.

Yeah I could see Metal Saga becoming rare ,but I have this notion that a long time down the line Katamari Damacy may become rare because for a while it fell under the radar and its a really good game so it could end up being a similar case as River City Ransom for the NES

[devils advocate]

Just for shits and giggles, I posted a trade thread in our buying/selling forum, for exactly the deal I mentioned. Let's see the reaction.

[Slate]

Firefighter FD. 18 is harder to find, but i called 20 EBs/gamestops within about a 60 mile radius and i found 2 copies, so if you're looking for something just call around, you'll find it within a month if not the same day.

Oh and i saw a copy of Sitting Ducks at an EB, didn't buy it though.

As long as you're looking for it, You'll find it.

[Spartacus]

Going strictly by print numbers though, Dual Hearts from Atlus is said to be the rarest PS2 game. Supposedly less than 5,000 copies were made.

That's an extremely low number! I've never seen the game browsing my area, but there's quite a few available on Ebay and some of those are new, so I'm thinking that number may be off.

99.9% of all PS2 'rarities' are a result of regional supplies.

I agree. Thank goodness online auction sites help mitigate uneven distributions!

At best, a harder to find PS2 title would rank R5, I think. I haven't started to apply the rarity numbers to the guide, but it is something I intend on doing in the near future.
Even though there are tons of threads on this, I'll add my 2 cents. These are ones I personally haven't seen in a long time.
.........
Kya: Dark Lineage
.........

I remember reading a favorable review for Kya at Gamecritics.com when it first came out and when I went searching for a copy it was already being dumped on Ebay. There was a ton of them available then and there seems to be a ton of them available now. That's the only one on your list I would have doubts about not being common. It's fun to speculate on the subject though. I have a few to toss out that don't turn up often in my parts nor are they flooding Ebay.

Aero Elite
Adventures of Cookie & Cream
ChoroQ
Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis
Lethal Skies Elite Pilot
PTO IV
Shadow Hearts
Silent Line: Armored Core
Victorious Boxers
Wizardry: The Forsaken Land
Heroes of Might and Magic
LEGO Racers 2
Micro Machines
Piglet's Big Game
Ys: The Ark of Napishtim

[roushimsx]

It's fun to speculate on the subject though. I have a few to toss out that don't turn up often in my parts nor are they flooding Ebay.

Aero Elite
Adventures of Cookie & Cream
ChoroQ
Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis
Lethal Skies Elite Pilot
Shadow Hearts
Ys: The Ark of Napishtim

(did a little snipping)

Are Aero Elite and Lethal Skies enjoyable? I've been eyeballing them and debating picking them up.

Cookie & Cream has been on my hitlist for a long time now but the only copies I scare up in the wild are loose That's going to be an ebay buy for me.

I passed on a Jurassic Park Operation Genesis but got curious about it and did some reading up on it online. Found out it was totally my cup of tea, went back to buy it, and it was gone. CURSES

Shadow Hearts is getting reprinted by GQD (and its price at Gamestop went up from $25 used to $40 used) and you can buy the trilogy for $100 new from them (mine should be coming soon...I can't wait to finally play them ).

For all of the shit that ChoroQ got in the reviews, I loved the hell out of it. I loved it more than Road Trip, and Road Trip was pretty awesome.

Finally, I hope Ys doesn't wind up being too uncommon/rare. Everyone should be able to pick up a copy and play it The english voice acting and cg sucks, but there's a few codes you can input to have japanese dialogue with english subtitles, PC version's cinemas, and enable warping between towns to eliminate backtracking later in the game.. good lord is it a bucket of awesomeness then.

[Kid Ice]

After some research, The DP guide shows Final Fantasy VII with a $ value of 10usd complete. I'll take as many copies as people are willing to give me for 10 bucks. Yes, I would resell them. All to Ebay they would go. The guide doesn't differentiate between Ebay sellers and hobbyists does it? So, therefore, the value is completely incorrect.

So is it fair to say it's "worth" the $60 or so it's going for on ebay? Keep in mind this is a game that must have sold in the millions.

It's seems like every time this conversation comes up it's "ebay ebay ebay". Silent Hill sells on ebay for fifty bucks. So now someone is trading it in buying and selling, and someone offers Gunstar Heroes for it...and that's not good enough! Now it takes more than Gunstar Heroes to get Silent Hill. What kind of crazy shit is that?