RUMOUR: PS3 to not play USED GAMES?!? (Offically Denied)

[DeputyMoniker]

That sounds like something $ony would do, if it's not in the PS3 it'll be in the PS4. If $ony can even survive that long... the PS3 will be on its knees giving it to the Xbox 360 by the time this next gen is over.

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[Spinal]

That sounds like something $ony would do, if it's not in the PS3 it'll be in the PS4. If $ony can even survive that long... the PS3 will be on its knees giving it to the Xbox 360 by the time this next gen is over.

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Sony, Playstation, PS2, PS3, PSP, PS and anything else Sony or Playstation related.

LMAO! I say filtering should affect anything videogame related Oh, and start enforcing a global policy whereby children aren't allowed on the internet without a responsable adult sitting next to them :P

Would solve alot of problems imo...

Spinal

[Ze_ro]

I can't see this happening with things the way they are. It would take either total domination by one company, or agreement between the major players, for this to happen.

Well, the good news then, is that now that Sony has a patent on this, it would mean that Nintendo and Microsoft would either have to pay royalties in order to use the technology, or find another way to cripple their games... in the long run, filing this patent might actually prevent other companies from doing this.

Anyway, I read the article and as has been mentioned earlier, I'm not sure how this would work without an internet connection. How else is it going to check if the game is regestered?

Actually, I don't see how they can possibly rely on an internet connection to do any of the stuff they want it to do with Blu-Ray... I can easily imagine hackers just snooping on the IP traffic between the machine and the remote host, and then just hooking a computer in to spoof a reply that automatically verifies all discs as being legit. Naturally there will be encryption to deal with in there somewhere, but it's only a matter of time. Maybe there's extra technology involved here that I'm not aware of, but any data that leaves/enters the system can never be considered secure or trustworthy as far as the system is concerned.

How can a system not play 'used' games? Does that mean that if I purchase Metal Gear Solid 4 and play it once, a P$3 will no longer play it because it has been "used"?

No. The idea is that the game and your system will be "married" so that once you play the game on that system, it will refuse to run on any other systems.

think of what people buy after they sell their used games. MORE GAMES

For the most part, yeah... but you can't bank on that. I know plenty of people who have hocked their games to pay their rent. This is one of those hazy situations that the marketing-types and pointy-haired bosses don't like because they don't have enough control over it.

It's safe to say that even if Sony does try to do this, consumer and retail outrage will force them to stop. That seems to be the case with their recent attempts at DRM on audio CD's.

--Zero

[CartCollector]

Oh, and start enforcing a global policy whereby children aren't allowed on the internet without a responsable adult sitting next to them

Would solve alot of problems imo...

Well, you do have to be at least 13 to sign up to message boards, mmorpgs, etc. in the U.S. I think it's law. Problem is, no one checks.

[Griking]

Anyway, I read the article and as has been mentioned earlier, I'm not sure how this would work without an internet connection. How else is it going to check if the game is regestered?

Actually, I don't see how they can possibly rely on an internet connection to do any of the stuff they want it to do with Blu-Ray... I can easily imagine hackers just snooping on the IP traffic between the machine and the remote host, and then just hooking a computer in to spoof a reply that automatically verifies all discs as being legit. Naturally there will be encryption to deal with in there somewhere, but it's only a matter of time. Maybe there's extra technology involved here that I'm not aware of, but any data that leaves/enters the system can never be considered secure or trustworthy as far as the system is concerned.

Perhaps the PS3 has the ability to burn to CDs and DVDs. Burning a serial number onto each disc would do the job.

[njiska]

Anyway, I read the article and as has been mentioned earlier, I'm not sure how this would work without an internet connection. How else is it going to check if the game is regestered?

Actually, I don't see how they can possibly rely on an internet connection to do any of the stuff they want it to do with Blu-Ray... I can easily imagine hackers just snooping on the IP traffic between the machine and the remote host, and then just hooking a computer in to spoof a reply that automatically verifies all discs as being legit. Naturally there will be encryption to deal with in there somewhere, but it's only a matter of time. Maybe there's extra technology involved here that I'm not aware of, but any data that leaves/enters the system can never be considered secure or trustworthy as far as the system is concerned.

Perhaps the PS3 has the ability to burn to CDs and DVDs. Burning a serial number onto each disc would do the job.

That's assuming that you can make a writable part on a pressed disc. It'd be an odd design but i'm sure it's far from impossible.

[Arkaign]

On a side note, if the drive in the PS3 is a burner, that would be freaking cool. I've already seen articles about a PS3 linux.. so the possibilities are pretty wide open.

[chrisbid]

even if hackers could find a way to get around this, the used game market at legit retailers would all but dry up. unless you sell the workaround with a used game, you couldnt sell used games to the public, and there would be all kinds of legal wrestling over that.

but again, its all wait and see. but the more DMR stuff i read about sony, the less likely i am to purchase a PS3, regaurdless of how this particular issue pans out.

[exit]

I don't see how they can be against the the sale of used games, especially if the game is out of print or for a dead console. It would make sequels pointless, because new copies of games won't be sold forever, so you're screwed when MGS5 comes out. Unless there is a proccess where you can register/unregister your games, this whole thing seems unlikely.

I could also imagine sales on E-bay on sealed games, it would make the absurd even more absurd.

[n8littlefield]

I would say the only legit way to check for used games sales would be some type of online system, because you certainly can't tell someone that if they have 2 PS3's in their house they can't play the game on both. Given that there are, and will always be, gamers who don't want to play online, it seems like implementation would be impossible.

[chrisbid]

I don't see how they can be against the the sale of used games, especially if the game is out of print or for a dead console. It would make sequels pointless, because new copies of games won't be sold forever, so you're screwed when MGS5 comes out. Unless there is a proccess where you can register/unregister your games, this whole thing seems unlikely.

I could also imagine sales on E-bay on sealed games, it would make the absurd even more absurd.

im sure they kept their eyes on how well the steam system worked with halflife 2-worked on the PC. its a pretty fair assumption that internet access is cheap enough (dialup is only 10 bucks a month) that it can be required to use a high end console.

I would say the only legit way to check for used games sales would be some type of online system, because you certainly can't tell someone that if they have 2 PS3's in their house they can't play the game on both. Given that there are, and will always be, gamers who don't want to play online, it seems like implementation would be impossible.

we all agree that the idea is shortsighted, but there are corporate bean counters at sony that disagree. they also truely believe their own inflated numbers on their "losses" due to piracy (as if every pirated copy of a game produced comes at the expense of a sale of a new game).

[Ed Oscuro]

Since this is apparently the thread for this discussion, I guess it's time to give it the ol' bump because this story is not going away.

GamesRadar article.

[Ed Oscuro]

Since this is apparently the thread for this discussion, I guess it's time to give it the ol' bump because this story is not going away.

GamesRadar article.

[cyberfluxor]

Well, believe it or not I think it's a great idea. It would stablize the next generation of video games in the market place and keep a strong hold on things. If you can only get it new and it's out of production, then ones sealed would be worth unbelieveable amounts of money, making it a strong investment. Plus if you ever sell your system, all games must go with it so many great bulk buys will be seen. Most will dislike the taste of this marketing scheme but we'll have to wait and see how it works out.

[cyberfluxor]

Well, believe it or not I think it's a great idea. It would stablize the next generation of video games in the market place and keep a strong hold on things. If you can only get it new and it's out of production, then ones sealed would be worth unbelieveable amounts of money, making it a strong investment. Plus if you ever sell your system, all games must go with it so many great bulk buys will be seen. Most will dislike the taste of this marketing scheme but we'll have to wait and see how it works out.

[Ed Oscuro]

It would stablize the next generation of video games in the market place and keep a strong hold on things.

WELL I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WELCOMES OUR ALIEN OVERLORDS

If you can only get it new and it's out of production, then ones sealed would be worth unbelieveable amounts of money, making it a strong investment.

News Flash: Resale is ILLEGAL. You only license the content. Judging from the fact that Valve charges you a fee ($10) to transfer games on Steam, it's no great leap to consider that Sony would probably be able to pressure eBay and other auction sites to delist resales of PS3 games.

This is a terrible idea and if this sort of content management aimed at making us peasants in the digital age with no ability to create libraries to call our own.

[Ed Oscuro]

It would stablize the next generation of video games in the market place and keep a strong hold on things.

WELL I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WELCOMES OUR ALIEN OVERLORDS

If you can only get it new and it's out of production, then ones sealed would be worth unbelieveable amounts of money, making it a strong investment.

News Flash: Resale is ILLEGAL. You only license the content. Judging from the fact that Valve charges you a fee ($10) to transfer games on Steam, it's no great leap to consider that Sony would probably be able to pressure eBay and other auction sites to delist resales of PS3 games.

This is a terrible idea and if this sort of content management aimed at making us peasants in the digital age with no ability to create libraries to call our own.

[cyberfluxor]

Do whatever you want, you have choices. I'll get a PS3 if I feel and will buy depending on how they market themselves. At this rate though if I do buy the system I'd just get the major titles that I know I'll enjoy a lot. In addition though, I don't have a PS2 so don't call me some $ony f4nb0i or some other crap. Shoot, I don't even have an Xbawx.

[cyberfluxor]

Do whatever you want, you have choices. I'll get a PS3 if I feel and will buy depending on how they market themselves. At this rate though if I do buy the system I'd just get the major titles that I know I'll enjoy a lot. In addition though, I don't have a PS2 so don't call me some $ony f4nb0i or some other crap. Shoot, I don't even have an Xbawx.

[Ed Oscuro]

In addition though, I don't have a PS2 so don't call me some $ony f4nb0i or some other crap.

No, but I don't think it's a great disservice to correct you in ways of thinking that are flawed. It seems that the PS3 may indeed lock games to specific consoles once they are sold, so the only way to sell a used PS3 game might be to sell the console it was originally used on as well. Hardly a bargain from where I'm standing...

[Ed Oscuro]

In addition though, I don't have a PS2 so don't call me some $ony f4nb0i or some other crap.

No, but I don't think it's a great disservice to correct you in ways of thinking that are flawed. It seems that the PS3 may indeed lock games to specific consoles once they are sold, so the only way to sell a used PS3 game might be to sell the console it was originally used on as well. Hardly a bargain from where I'm standing...

[GarrettCRW]

If Sony actually goes forth with this crazy idea, they deserve to go out of business. Then, maybe, media companies will hold off on treating their paying customers like thieves.

[GarrettCRW]

If Sony actually goes forth with this crazy idea, they deserve to go out of business. Then, maybe, media companies will hold off on treating their paying customers like thieves.

[studvicious]

I do agree that the developers and publishers should get a cut from the used game sales, I have no problem with that. But if Sony were to pull something like this that would be crazy. But on the other hand I'm sure it wouldn't take someone long to find "other ways" around it.

[studvicious]

I do agree that the developers and publishers should get a cut from the used game sales, I have no problem with that. But if Sony were to pull something like this that would be crazy. But on the other hand I'm sure it wouldn't take someone long to find "other ways" around it.