as Jibbajaba said, Not gonna happen.
That's got to be a record you derailed my thread in 6 minutes.
Infamous troll. Ha that's good for a laugh.Not that it would matter, considering that's coming from the infamous troll njiska
Good point. Although that didn't stop Sony from implementing it's new DRM and let's not forget that there's a strong possiblity that Blu-Ray will only work with TV's that have received Sony's blessing. That alone should tempt a lawsuit. Really who knows.Originally Posted by Vectorman0
It WOULD be good for a laugh. People who buy systems and then proceed to figure out the cheapest way to be a "gamer" amaze me. They buy the system but can't afford to support it.
There WAS a time when Microsoft was going to have a "no rental policy" on Xbox games to avert piracy, just as they do on their PC stuff.
That would be suicide for SONY
Let's try and stay on topic, kids.
That article has two parts -- the fact (the patent) and then their assumption of what it means which leads to the rumor. The fact (the patent) is much more interesting. After reading it, I believe (I may be wrong) that what the quoted portion means by "user" is companies attempting to duplicate disks, and I believe the part that reads "resale (so-called used software purchase" refers to people buying used disks in order to duplicate them.
Under "Field of the Invention" it reads "The present invention relates to a disk recording medium, a reproduction device, and a reproduction method, whereby a legitimate recording medium can be protected from the used recording medium market by the structure of the disk recording medium such as a CD-ROM and a main unit (reproduction device) in which this recording medium is installed." So I believe the patent is intended to prevent unauthorized duplication factories from duplicating ps3 discs, even if they buy a copy of a master. It also mentions "the resale of disk recording media already purchased by the end-user, i.e., the purchase of the used software, occurs as well as the manufacture of so-called counterfeit software in which the recorded data is illegally copied."
You cool guys using $'s for S's and bashing consoles should take the five minutes and read the patent.
What it's actually saying is that PS3 games will have "moving target security" (coined by me) which will make piracy very, very difficult. Mod chips as we know them will not work on this technology.
Under Background, "Summary of the Product" (section 2) you get your first glimpse of the next generation copy protection. Pulsa Data, bar codes, digital signals, serco error signals, rotational control programs and variable drive speeds, and more. These are all things that have to be done when you are burning the disks (ie: one game might have to be burned at a certain speed. Another one might have to be burned and then stopped while burning, or paused, etc, making duplication of a game on a standard DVD burner impossible.)
In other words, Sony doesn't plan on taking any $hit from hackers and pirates this round. Round One.
EDIT: "legitimate software protection can be performed in three layers, the presence or absence of specific code registration, the matching or non-matching of pulse data and verification data, and the matching or non-matching at rotational speeds in multiple stages. "
Well said Flack, well said.Originally Posted by Flack
I admit that i didn't have time to read the patent in it's entirety as i was posting at work at the time by based on the abstract at the top of the patent i was assuming it would be using some unique code in the disc to bind that disc to the hardware that read it. Hence registering.
However i figured Sony would have just used the old phone home tactic to keep it bound to that player alone. Similar to how Valve binds HL2 keys to a parent Steam ACCT which would straight out prevent the use of used software/movies without Sony's blessing on any machine other then the primary.
before the PS2 came out, they said it would be impossible to hack, the PS3 will eventually be hacked as well
and after the rootkit fiasco directly from sony, and the relative success of steam on HalfLife 2, this is business model all publishers really want, they want to own their content post purchase
agreed but on the plus side, if they do it in about a yearthe PS3 would be an awsome cheap computerOriginally Posted by EricRyan34
Wait what? how is it even possiable for it to know whats used? it dosen't even make sense. you have to open the game to use it.
Wait, the more I'm thinking about this the more I think I understand.
this would be something for the PS3 games not PS2. so somehow the ps3 has a list of games that were run on that serial #'d ps3 so that it's registered to only that ps3.
so when you try to run that same game on a diffrent ps3 it looks at the list (which I assume is done through the internet connection) and notes that it was already registered to a diffrent machine there fore not running it.
sorry for the self explaintion lol But that would be nothing short of stupid if sony implements this. this most certianly would cross PS3 on my list of systems to buy.
This would require an internet connection to work. I sort of assumed that when a new disk is placed in the system, the PS3 would burn is serial number into the disk. Whenever the game boots, it would check the serial number burned on the disk to the serial number of the system and it wouldn't boot if the two didn't match. Of course, thats just a first impression.Originally Posted by Damion
Well, from what I gather it I think it would be a lot like how PSO had to be played on your Dreamcast and your Dreamcast only because of the way you used the registration code.Originally Posted by Stevie Boy
As for thinking for one minute Sony would do something as crazy as that...I wouldn't believe that even for a second.
WOW that explains why the system cost so much!you get your first glimpse of the next generation copy protection. Pulsa Data, bar codes, digital signals, serco error signals, rotational control programs and variable drive speeds, and more.
It's so funny that rumors like this even get started, let alone that people buy into them.
It works like this, the major game chains, EB, Gamestop, Game Crazy, Game Rush, etc... would stop carrying Sony products. Period.
A majority of their revenue stems from the sale of used software. Ever wonder why they push you to buy the used copy of Starsky and Hutch they're sitting on rather than the new one that's been there forever and will never sell? Because they only paid $1.20 for the used game and $16 for the new one. $15-$1.20 = $13.80 profit $20-$16=$4 profit Suddenly they're making no money on Sony products. What's the sense of carrying the new products at all for such a minimal profit margin whey they could put more XB360, Revolution, DS, etc... games in the same space with a HUGE markup.
Sony is cocky but not stupid. This technology is not going to be implemented, at least for the software side, of PS3. Blu-ray movies? Perhaps... probably not.
"Let us play!"
Man, a lot of these threads are going to be downright comedy goldmines after the systems hit the streets. It's already that way with old Xbox360 threads, all the flames and fanboys etc ...
Oh well, at least this one has roots in an interesting patent filing.
My guess is that "if" this ever happend GS GC BB would be pushing accessorys instead of used games. The mark up on these things are also high (although not as high as used games).
But still I don't see this happening. What if your PS3 broke all the games you have would be worthless. And given the track records of lauch Sony consoles there would be many an angery gamer out there.
Not going to happen when it comes to console gaming.
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So ignoring for a minute that its really unlikely that Sony would do this, who here would pass up the PS3 if it didn't play used games? I know I would. 95% of my games are used. Maybe then I could start to catch up on my backlog for everything else, but probably I'd just end up buying more 360 and Rev games.
Yeah, if it were true, it would be such a drastic negative that they would be doomed. I'm probably not getting a PS3 to begin with, but some goofy kind of not letting you play used titles would seal the deal for me.
For me, the reasons for getting a PS3 would be : pretty open (like the PSP scene right now, loads of cool mods and hacks), and 1080p movies (not entirely up to Sony, but if the drives are in millions of systems, I'm thinking the movie companies will be quick to capitalize). Games are somewhat secondary, though if they can actually deliver the kind of content seen in the MGS4 trailer, they might get me.
As much as it pains me to say i would. Of course only after it's a total failure and being sold off for nothing. I need my MGS 4 afterall. Plus it's because of situations nlike this that hackers evolved. Nothing is unhackable.Originally Posted by Slimedog
Originally Posted by Slimedog
That's why Sony or any other compony dosen't really care if your type buy's it or not :P since you buy 95% used, and it's not a cut down on you either. They just care about the gamers that drop the $$$.
I don't think this will happen soon, but you never know in this day and age with the amount of greed these's days. I'm sure if all media componies had it their way it'd be all downloadable only and we see the end of in-hand stuff.
True that, hackers continually amaze, of course some things can be such a pain the orifice that people just don't bother. Everything from CSS to CPS2 to that Ipod music format has been hacked .. it's just a matter of practicality.
I wouldn't put it past Sony for trying some ish like this. If anybody did something like this, it would be them.
The one thing that really pisses me off about this idea, is the thought process that people only have one video game system. I had two XBOX's for a very long time. I enjoyed having two XBOX systems. One in my Garage Theater, and one in my living room. I have two PS1 systems. I have two Sega Saturns. I have two SNES. Etc, etc. I like having two systems, cause it's just more convienent for me. In fact, I'm buying two XBOX 360 systems. (I'm not sure If I'll actually keep both, or end up selling one for a profit)
At some point down the line, I would likely have two PS3 systems as well. But if I cant take my Metal Gear Solid 7 and play it in both systems, then I would pissed as hell.
Same thing with Blu Ray movies. At some point, I would probably have multiple Blu Ray movie players in my house, and I would want to take a movie and be able to watch the same individual movie on any of my blu ray dvd players. So the idea of the disc marrying to a single system really pisses me off to no end.
This is a very, very, very bad idea, and if Sony really tries this, they are going to regret it. Big Time.
Yeah, the very idea of Sony doing this is totally absurd. Microsoft would be just as likely (ie - .01% chance) of doing anything like this, they already have "Product Activation" intended to limit the installation of a program or operating system to a single or limited number of systems.
Realistically, neither company will touch anything like this with a 100,000km pole. This is just another piece of paper that's going to go join the other twenty-five jillion patents these guys have.
All I have to say is....
VARIABLE SPEED SPINNING = DISC READ ERROR
(not a fanboy just a realist)