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**norm8332** · 09-29-2006, 09:06 PM

VIC-20 Frogman should be a 10. Only 2 ever seen as far as I know.

Was a rumor until 2005.

Why a 9? I see other platform's 9s on ebay many times each year.

Maybe I'm wrong, does anyone own one out there??

**cyberfluxor** · 10-08-2006, 06:39 PM

Virtua Cop 2 for the Saturn listed as an R4 and $35? Rarity could be more so an R2/3 and it's value is quite a bit less than $35, maybe more to the end of $8 complete.

**Mayhem** · 10-09-2006, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by norm8332

VIC-20 Frogman should be a 10. Only 2 ever seen as far as I know.

Was a rumor until 2005.

Why a 9? I see other platform's 9s on ebay many times each year.

Maybe I'm wrong, does anyone own one out there??

10 is reserved for prototypes only in the DP scale of things. That's why it's a 9. It's the highest it can go. I'd love to give it a 10 for the fact that yes, there's only 2 known out there, but it's not how the DP rating system operates.

And as you asked, I own one of them

**vintagegamecrazy** · 10-14-2006, 10:18 AM

10 is reserved for prototypes only in the DP scale of things. That's why it's a 9. It's the highest it can go. I'd love to give it a 10 for the fact that yes, there's only 2 known out there, but it's not how the DP rating system operates.

And as you asked, I own one of them

There are plenty of games that are 10s in the db, it could stand to be changed.

I have some things that need to be considered

The American CD32 is a lot rarer than a R4, they almost never pop up on Ebay in NTSC and are almost unknown in america I'd say a 7 to 8.

The Memorex VIS is only worth maybe $30-35, I can't seem to give them away with games included, they are probably around a 7-8 in rarity.

**Mayhem** · 10-15-2006, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by vintagegamecrazy

There are plenty of games that are 10s in the db, it could stand to be changed.

Actually you're right there (hello Video Life and Eli's Ladder). Guess I've always worked with 10=proto in my head for some reason. With that in mind, I may reclassify a few entries (and yes, hello Frogman).

**Keir** · 10-16-2006, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by norm8332

VIC-20 Frogman should be a 10. Only 2 ever seen as far as I know.

Was a rumor until 2005.

Why a 9? I see other platform's 9s on ebay many times each year.

Not saying Frogman shouldn't be a 10, but I don't think it's fair to compare between systems. Rare VIC-20 games are going to show up on eBay much less often than rare Atari 2600 games, for example, because the 2600 is a much more well-known and well-documented system. Also, I bet many of the 2600 9s and 10s that show up on eBay are the same ones being swapped around.

Originally Posted by vintagegamecrazy

I have some things that need to be considered

The American CD32 is a lot rarer than a R4, they almost never pop up on Ebay in NTSC and are almost unknown in america I'd say a 7 to 8.

I should probably answer this one, since I came up with that rarity. The simple answer is that there is a lot of NOS (new old stock) sitting around. Unknown does not equal rare.

**Mayhem** · 10-16-2006, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Keir

Not saying Frogman shouldn't be a 10, but I don't think it's fair to compare between systems. Rare VIC-20 games are going to show up on eBay much less often than rare Atari 2600 games, for example, because the 2600 is a much more well-known and well-documented system. Also, I bet many of the 2600 9s and 10s that show up on eBay are the same ones being swapped around.

Actually that is how the rarity system has been clarified by Joe to work now... cross-system comparison. So a rarity 9 on the 2600 is as hard to find as a rarity 9 on any other system, be it Coleco, Vic20 or NES. It is no longer only comparitive within the system itself. That, though, is a bit harder to judge admitedly.

Given how hard Eli's Ladder and Video Life are to find for example, I can't see why Frogman and a few others under my juristication can't be bumped up to 10 rating.

**Keir** · 10-16-2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Originally Posted by Keir

Not saying Frogman shouldn't be a 10, but I don't think it's fair to compare between systems. Rare VIC-20 games are going to show up on eBay much less often than rare Atari 2600 games, for example, because the 2600 is a much more well-known and well-documented system. Also, I bet many of the 2600 9s and 10s that show up on eBay are the same ones being swapped around.

Actually that is how the rarity system has been clarified by Joe to work now... cross-system comparison. So a rarity 9 on the 2600 is as hard to find as a rarity 9 on any other system, be it Coleco, Vic20 or NES. It is no longer only comparitive within the system itself. That, though, is a bit harder to judge admitedly.

Right, I understand that. What I was trying to say is that a rare VIC-20 game is much more likely to go unnoticed because fewer people know or care about them. So if your average collector comes across an Eli's Ladder they're going to brag about it and probably sell it on eBay for a fortune, whereas if they come across a Frogman they won't even realize what they've got and just put it away and forget about it. Whatever, just make Frogman a 10 and be done with it.

**Mayhem** · 10-16-2006, 01:41 PM

:P

Actually I'll agree in part there. But the rarity is always fluid and I always change it as need be as I see things go. For example, Jelly Monsters was listed as a 8 by Ward, but because it's rather readily available on eBay now (curiously enough, almost only here in the UK) it's been bumped down to a 5 now, I think, by myself. Ditto Star Battle.

A few items on the Vic20 list I've never seen in my life, and rely on the fact they exist from Ward's sterling work. That's the sort of thing that'll get upgraded.

If more of an item come out of the woodwork over time, then naturally the rarity might get bumped down accordingly.

**norm8332** · 10-24-2006, 08:49 PM

All I know about it is I collect VIC 20 carts, and check Ebay and other sources very regularly and I have only ever seen one frogman within the last year or so. While on other platforms I have seen several carts that are 10s appear several times. I also collect 2600 carts so I'm checking for those too and I see alot more rare 2600 carts (same one several times).

Also with frogman, try doing a google search and see where thats gets you. Good luck.. not very far.

Thanks allot..

**norm8332** · 10-25-2006, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by norm8332

I have seen several carts that are 10s appear several times.

A correction: 9s on ebay.

**Zadoc** · 01-11-2007, 01:24 AM

This is a Pippin game, and in the guide is incorrectly entered as "Gundam Mobility Fleet 0079," without the "Tactics."

Also, speaking of Pippin, I am having an increadibly difficult time confirming that "Pegasus Prime" was actually released for the console. There are a lot of articles that I can find talking about a 1997 release, but the system was killed off before then. There are also a lot of "The Journeyman Project" sites that reference a Pippin version, but they seem to be citing marketing material only.

Because boxart does not exist for this game, I think that "Pegasus Prime" belongs in Rumor Mill.

Finally, "Gundam 0079: The War for Earth" is not in the guide. It seems to be a released title. If not a confirmed release, it definately needs to be in the Rumor Mill.

Both "Pegasus Prime" and "Gundam 0079: The War for Earth" are on the "titles" page of the official Presto Studios archive website:

http://presto.tommyyune.com/presto/titles.html

However, my belief is that both titles were likely cancelled before their 1997 releases and released only for other platforms.

**segamaster** · 02-17-2007, 07:04 PM

i dont know if this was mentioned before, but i cant find the game "The Ignition Factor" for the snes in the rarity guide

any help is appreciated!

thanks

**D_N_G** · 02-17-2007, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by segamaster

i dont know if this was mentioned before, but i cant find the game "The Ignition Factor" for the snes in the rarity guide

any help is appreciated!

thanks

here ya go:

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=14083

**segamaster** · 02-18-2007, 03:01 AM

oh! thanks a lot. i guess i just had to drop off the "The" in the front

Thanks

**Keir** · 02-22-2007, 01:16 PM

Back on the matter of VIC-20 games, should Cannonball Blitz really be a 7? It definitely isn't as rare as other Sierra games that are 7s like Lunar Leeper or Threshold. In fact, I don't think any of those are as rare as Creepy Corridors which is also a 7 (though I could be biased - that's the only Sierra VIC-20 cart I don't own

).

**Mayhem** · 02-22-2007, 02:39 PM

I'll be giving both the C64 and Vic20 sections a good look over shortly... when I get time in my schedule! I have seen a few more CBs about so I think it may well drop a point or so. Threshold is already down to a 5 now, more of them spotted about (and I've got two spare to sell!). I agree CC is probably at least a 7, I don't see it much.

**mb7241** · 03-23-2007, 06:36 PM

I noticed a few Sega Master System entries with rarities of 75 and 80 (no...seriously). Click "Online Rarity Guide", then type in "11" in the Scarcity box and the ">=" option. After the dialog box pops up that says "Please enter a value between 0 and 10", it'll show the four entries in question.

**anagrama** · 03-23-2007, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by mb7241

I noticed a few Sega Master System entries with rarities of 75 and 80 (no...seriously). Click "Online Rarity Guide", then type in "11" in the Scarcity box and the ">=" option. After the dialog box pops up that says "Please enter a value between 0 and 10", it'll show the four entries in question.

Ah nuts, looks like a couple of Dollar/Scarcity values got mixed up there - I'll get it fixed for the next update.

**Technosis** · 03-23-2007, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I'll be giving both the C64 and Vic20 sections a good look over shortly...

I can tell you that many rare VIC-20 games are much more common in Canada here....I have found 2 Dot Gobblers (one CIB) plus numerous Xonox double enders...all traded to collectors in the US and Europe

**vintagegamecrazy** · 04-12-2007, 12:20 AM

Hydro Thunder for N64 is definitely not worth $25, I would change it to $12-15 ramge.

For the Pippin section, anyone wanna form a committee and get that section to have some back bone?

**Mayhem** · 04-12-2007, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Technosis

I can tell you that many rare VIC-20 games are much more common in Canada here....I have found 2 Dot Gobblers (one CIB) plus numerous Xonox double enders...all traded to collectors in the US and Europe

Late reply but still... the double enders in general are easier to find than the singler enders, that's reflected in the guide. Only Tomarc/Motocross double was that hard to acquire, took me ages and it's only loose (my other three doublers are complete).

Dot Gobbler is also at the lowest end of the OEM rarity... most of them are incredibly hard to acquire, but this one is a bit easier than the rest.

**kataboom** · 05-02-2007, 10:35 PM

ok i read the guidelines & a few of the suggestions i was gonna mention arent as valid except one.

N64 paper mario u.s. release listed at $26 R3

with the trends ive been seeing, the rarity should be knocked to a R2 & the price (low end) should be around $15. $26 is the high ends these days & the rarity has fallen because they are all over ebay nowadays.

just my opinion.