Watching Meston and PredatorXS fight reminds me of those Foghorn Leghorn cartoons where the southern fried rooster would grab his canine archenemy by the tail and repeatedly smack him in the ass. Like the dog in those cartoons, Zach is on a leash, holding back in his responses due to his ties to professional video game journalism. I think PredatorXS is taking advantage of that.
JR
The Gameroom Blitz. Here. Go. Now.
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Not that I don't trust your sources, Zach, but they only mention Europe -- does that include North America and Japan as well?
It does'nt matter if some companies drop the GC -- if enough of the major developers continue to release games in the next year -- Namco, Sega, Square Enix, Konami, Capcom, etc. -- then the system still has a chance for success, or at least to hold even in the market war. Every dollar Nintendo gets is a dollar out of Sony's pocket and a reducing in the danger of the industry being totally dominated by one company.
"Four o'clock and all is well.....wish I was in bed, Sir."
-- Guard in the Imperial City, Oblivion
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ManekiNeko Has hit the nail on the head.. lol Smart kid!!
I love forums in general (but only really use DP) i like learning more about systems that i'm interested in and sometimes learning surprising stuff about consoles i normally wouldn't be that interested in..
I have found for the most part DP is a great forum, i also do my upmost to stay away from silly thread filling stuff like this, where the topic becomes a tit for tat game, with insults the main aim?
I'm not interested in any of that, (this thread / tit 4 tat) is something i see as a complete waste of peoples time, (although) funny for a quick read, it does get abit thin and personal..
The stuff i post here is either (serious / but fun and helpful) Regarding games / systems / problems / idea's / news. etc
and
Lite-hearted! as in my little pops toward zmweasel, I'm not a flamer i see people that do that on forums as time-wasters. With nothing better to do, i come to DP for the info and the good / great topics that are posted here on a daily basis!
Also zmweasel what was with the name change or am i missing something?
Nite all i need my bed, and my girl wants me too.. doooooh i'v not got the energy!
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Alittle correction, i'm not a European Nintendo fanboy i don't like the way nintendo europe do things since basically 92 maybe 93 i have always bought american, starting with the Snes.
I hate the europe versions of nintendo products mainly consoles ie the snes and gamecube!..
MAYBE HATE IS TOO STRONG A WORD, i...... i dis-like alot of there ways, game release delays, why can't they use a port of the american version?
Also the way in which (very recently) they have threatened videogame (and other games outlets in general) that if they sell import games be they JAP or USA they will take away there licence to sell Nintendo products altogether!.
also some of these import games will never get a UK release! (so why stop it!)
Don't get me wrong there will always be people selling import games but nintendo doesn't need to be so heavy handed.
I learned, and learned early that the american versions where the best ever since getting my US Snes all those years back!..
Also i'll take back the turkey remark as well!it's all said in jest!!
I certinaly hope you continue to stay in the forum, Zach. This thread has been able to stay civil somehow, by the grace of God.Considering what we're debating, I must admit I'm surprised.
But even though I may not agree with you on everything, healthy debate is what created this country to begin with and it can be quite productive.
I'm surprised to hear Atari made that decision, after games like Enter the Matrix and what not, but as I said, not a big deal -- I don't consider Infogrames/Atari a BIG publisher anymore (they are not making a profit right now either) although that should change by next year.
And regarding shooters, if they don't do well, then why is R-Type Final and Gradius V coming out? Wait, I think I can answer that. A huge company like Konami that cranks out so many successfull hits can afford to take a risk and a chance of a loss on a more 'cult' game like Gradius V. If it does'nt do well, not the end of the world for them. I guess that's one reason I play more computer games -- the PC market, with it's low cost distrbution systems, is a 'safer' area for small companies to play in, even though they won't sell as many copies. (For example, look at all the old-school graphic adventure games out on the market for the PC -- you'd never see those on a console these days.)
The N5 will make or break Nintendo, though -- I WILL agree on that.
"Four o'clock and all is well.....wish I was in bed, Sir."
-- Guard in the Imperial City, Oblivion
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I thought cheap bastards not wanting to pay taxes is what created this country.Originally Posted by SoulBlazer
Wow, personal attacks a plenty here.
I tend to agree with those who predict a very difficult future for N. Over the last 15 years the game market grew, N didn't grow with it and lost steadily market shares. (without knowing exact production and sales figures which are mixed with PR strategies)
At the heart of Ns problem with all the finacial battles with two finacial giants is an image problem. Based on personal experiences and snapshots I picked up, N is perceived not just "cool" anymore, outdated, looking backwards regarding game content, and all this is reenforced by a weakening third party support; the latter makes the "old" strong N franchises more prominent by a game library which lacks a Devil May cry, Onimusha, etc.
Success stories of the past and a long tradition can be a big burden sometimes if you don't reinvent yourself and get an image change. If you're around the block for a long time, suddenly you might look OLD compared to the fresh faces of the new kids on the block.
Ford and Mercedes wouldn't be around if they didn't change images, political parties do, TV networks do, popcorn manufacturers do. The Q is how to do it and follow the golden rule, 'keep your old supporters and win new ones."
1) I'd change the layout of Nintendo Power drastically, target older teen audiences and adult audiences. The GC got a great game in F-Zero GX, and what they did in NP to get you drooled over it is a bit pathetic.
2) The way they changed and presented Metroid Prime is the right way to go, Super mario Sunshine and Zelda WW would be great IF there were other games which balance the game library; but that's not the case. Why not go with Super Mario in a new and fresh direction of Jak and Dexter, Blinx, or Ratchet and Clank? With the incredible name recognition of Super Mario, polished game play, this would be much more appropriate in Ns situation.
3)Why not change the Nintendo logo and make it look more fashionable? Keep the old logo for the buildings and business letters, change if for the games and hardware; combined with aggressive market startegies for the next gen system it might help to overcome the outdated image.
4) The GC with its design and launch color was a big mistake. It was an attempt to focus on Ns strenghth, but in reality it restricted a wider market appeal.
Nintendo has to go in this direction, and even if they go it will be difficult not to get more relegated to a niche market. The monopoly in the handheld market won't last forever, others will come in because the market is way too lucrative to be ignored in the long run; additionally, to be successful in the handheld market will be one tool to push a competitor out of the market.
All of that is easier said than done. it's a very difficult situation for N. I don't wanna be in the shoes of Iwata right now...ok...wait a minute...I'd accept the salary for a year.
You're right, Zach -- let me rephrase that: The MATURE posters have kept the conversation friendly.
Companies can always come back to a system if cicumstances change, so we'll see what happens. I don't see it as a huge deal for one big company, though (the ones before it are not really huge anymore).
I can kinda understand what some of the fanboys are saying, though -- I love Nintendo dearly, mostly due to growing up as a NES and SNES kid, and the LAST thing I want to see them do is crash and burn. Especily with Sony and Microsoft being left alone in the marketplace. x_x
Have'nt you said eariler that you'd like to see Nintendo do well also so that you have more business and more stuff to write about? :P
Maybe you should offer your services as a advisor.
"Four o'clock and all is well.....wish I was in bed, Sir."
-- Guard in the Imperial City, Oblivion
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pfff, i don't think you understand what fanboy means man. You know, i don't have a ps2 yet, cause i don't have the money (i've got about $30 per month for videogames). I do have several Ps2 games i got (very) cheap, i also do own Halo, i've played a lot PS2 and XBox (a friend of mine has them all) and i know i'm going to buy both when i have the money. BTW I do own more Sega consoles than Nintendo. I personally do think the Cube has a higher percentage of great/good games than the PS2/Xbox. You see, i might like the games for the cube the most, but that doesn't mean i'm a Nintendo Fanboy. If the next generation consoles the PS3 is superior to the CUbeČ than i'll buy the PS3 first.
What does make me a Nintendo-Fanboy in your mind? The fact that i'm saying some of the "facts" you are mentioning are pure lies? (btw, that nintendo makes loss article doesn't say anywhere that the Cube is making loss per unit as you wanted us to believe) The fact that i'm saying you are only guessing most things you say? (like that psp debatte, the only argument of yours is: "hey i'm a journalist, i've got sources, i'm right, you'll see) The fact that you are imho a damn bad journalist cause you are biased? (don't take this personal, you might be a great guy)
oh and talking about personal attacks, i NEVER attacked your person, i only attacked your argumentation, your journalistic qualities and your attacks against others. the only one personally attacking others here is you (ok, predator also), you made this clear again with that European Fanboys statement. Why don't you try to stay with the facts and be a little more open-minded for others oppinions? You know, i checked all your links you posted, read everything, read your posts twice, thought about them, tried to check how much truth there is in them and give a reply which could possibly show you what was wrong with your post or wasn't. But you sir, you are only replying with the same thing all the time: "I get paid for being a videogame journalist, I have got sources, I know more than you all, I know what i'm talking about, so you stfu and believe me you childish fanboys from some weird country". It might be that you didn't want to say that all the time, but fact is, YOU DID!!
oh, and one last thing, how professional is it in your oppinion to change names that often in a forum like this one?
-Jan
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Yech.. this thread isn't doing all too well
ZM, although it's fair to point out that this thread has gone somewhat off the rails, it's asinine for you to go crying foul at others when you yourself wade into a discussion calling others fanboys and trying to dismiss their comments/posts as fanboyism.
Honestly, crying fanboy isn't discussiing, it's just fishing with flame-bait - whether you intended it or not.
(although, we've already been though the fanboy issue)
However, given to the dubious point that for some reason or another this thread is leading people to re-evaluate their continued posting on this board I think I'd be an idiot (or maybe moreso) to try to keep this discussion going.. it's just not worth it when it gets taken that seriously or comes close to getting that far out of hand.
Still, I can't help but point out one itsy little thing, Infogrammes/Atari isn't dropping the cube, they've never stated they were, they're just dropping two titles, Termy 3 and Driver 3 (3 is the magic number.. DAMN now that song's stuck in my head). They still actually have 8 titles lined up for the system (and fuck knows I wish some of them weren't).
(must.. stop.. trying.. to.. discuss)
Zelda freebie.. wooya!
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Well, maybe I'm a fanboy then. I like Sony and the PS2 a lot, also, and I've always seen myself as a gamer -- if a game comes out that I want, then I get it, does'nt matter WHAT is it for. (Which is why I'm seriously thinking of getting a XBox for Ninja Gaiden -- oh, the shame!
Even with all the bad signs, though, I guess I'm just a postive person by nature and don't see Nintendo as done and finished yet. Companies go through bad times -- I could rattle of a hundred right now -- and the next few years are going to be telling. VERY telling.
Really, I don't know what else I can do to support the GameCube -- I buy the games I'm interested in, I get the GC version if more then one exists, I chaulk up the system to friends, and defend it on forums like this. What else can I do? What else can ANYONE do?
I've agreed with 90% percent of what you and many others have said in this thread, I'm just playing devil's advocate on jumping on things that are done RIGHT by Nintendo, and I hope that does'nt paint me with the fanboy brush.
(Now if you excuse me, I just got home from eight hours of night audit work, and I have a warm bed calling my name.
"Four o'clock and all is well.....wish I was in bed, Sir."
-- Guard in the Imperial City, Oblivion
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That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me all week.
I suspect some of my logic and debate skills comes from my days as a history major and and my masters work in that field -- reading a 1000 pages a week and writing a 120 page thesis will do that for you.
Although my spelling is sitll god awfull.....
"Four o'clock and all is well.....wish I was in bed, Sir."
-- Guard in the Imperial City, Oblivion
mhhhh and what makes me a fanboy then???? you haven't explained that yet. a short answer to your points:You're not a fanboy, for many reasons:Well, maybe I'm a fanboy then. I like Sony and the PS2 a lot, also, and I've always seen myself as a gamer -- if a game comes out that I want, then I get it, does'nt matter WHAT is it for. (Which is why I'm seriously thinking of getting a XBox for Ninja Gaiden -- oh, the shame!
1) You have a firm grasp of grammar.
2) On a related note, you don't use more than one exclamation point at the end of, or the middle of, a sentence.
3) You skillfully rebut my Nintendo-is-fucked arguments with proven facts and educated opinions, such as when you pointed out an obvious factor in the decline of Nintendo that I hadn't -- the competition has been stronger with each successive post-NES generation of hardware.
4) You don't define who you are by how many cartridges you own.
-- Z.
1) English is not my native language, and i honestly think my english is quite good considering this. Why don't you try to discuss in german?
2) Well, i don't use exclamation points like that
3) I argue just as fact-based as you do, in fact more. BTW you still don't understand that article, it states that Nintendo lost money during that period, but it doesn't state that Nintendo loses money per cube unit anywhere, FACT
4) I never mentioned how many games i own, so this point also doesn't hit
-Jan
ZM, honestly, you're every bit as bad as anyone else in this thread.
What on earth is the point of crying foul and making some overly dramatic statement about leaving the boards when you yourself are doing exactly what you're claiming to be a victim of.
C'mon, it's tired and weak.
(btw.. nice backpeddling on your Atari/infogrammes claims.. what happened to "they have dropped the sys", all of a sudden it's "oh, er, they will.. soon-ish".. the expression "bashing for bashing's sake" comes to mind.)
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