That's an interesting fact that I hadn't heard or noticed in any of Nintendo's Financial reports. Can you point me to the website or publication you got this fact from?Originally Posted by zmeston
That's an interesting fact that I hadn't heard or noticed in any of Nintendo's Financial reports. Can you point me to the website or publication you got this fact from?
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True, but I've yet to see one that says the Gamecube is losing as much money as the Game Boy Advance is making. According to the figures on Nintendo's own Annual Report, The Gamecube has not only been profitable, but that Nintendo has never posted a profitbale quarter. Can you point out the specific source that stated that the Gamecube is losing AS much money as the GBA is making? Or even one that says the Gamecube is costing Nintendo money?
I still want a copy or two of the first Zelda bonus disc that came out before Wind Waker.
I don't really like the Zelda games...I just want it, plus one of my friends is buying a GC soon, and wants it
That is all, continue battle...
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I have a sealed one. Interested ?I still want a copy or two of the first Zelda bonus disc that came out before Wind Waker.
I don't really like the Zelda games...I just want it, plus one of my friends is buying a GC soon, and wants it
That is all, continue battle...
sorry but you are getting ridiculous man, you just CAN'T know if it's more ps1 or ps2 like, no matter what u think your sources might know and how good they are (in your dreams.....)In fact, my sources (yes, I have sources -- one of the benefits of being a "videogame journalist") tell me that the PSP will be much closer to a PS2 in performance than a PS1, whereas Sony was previously saying it would land somewhere in between.
you don't know a shit more than PR, you only think so, developers and producers are the ones WHO MAKE PR!!!!! you already proofed you how critic you are about pr "news" when talking about the psp (<<watch out! irony!!)But I know more than just the PR; I speak with developers, producers, etc. Again, the benefits of "videogame journalism." I spend a lot of time crawling through PR bullshit, not choking it down or regurgitating it. (Well, okay, sometimes the latter, if I'm writing a preview puff-piece, but that's a different topic.)
this, my friend, is the worst thing you posted here for a while, your lying here, you've got NO sources for this, you just don't have them and you claim nintendo is losing money on the gc. Oh boy, even MS doesn't lose as much money with the xbox as nintendo does make with the GBABut they're a very, VERY distant #2, and the GC side pisses away money as fast as the GBA side can make it. This is not healthy in the short or the long term.
-Jan
@ zmeston:
Gotta agree with Hydr0x here. Maybe it's just one person's perception, but it seems like the Cube and the Xbox are fairly even sales-wise, with Microsoft perhaps having a slight edge (mainly due to a stronger quantity of available games, if not actual quality).
And to be honest, I have no problem acknowledging that the GB Advance is basically carrying Nintendo at the moment. But that having been said, what is Microsoft's video game division doing to prop up their numbers -- other than filling out Mr. Gates' blank checks, that is? And do you really expect Sony to completely take over the kid-driven handheld market with a complex machine that -- at last count -- was expected to cost around $200? Please explain how this is going to happen. (Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the GBA get some real competition -- it improves the breed, after all.)
I will agree with you, however, that the simple act of being first was not what put Sony on top. If that were true, we'd all be arguing over Sega's plans for Dreamcast 2 instead and wondering how Sony could ever catch up.
Duncan
Slowly rebuilding the gaming rig in my new apartment. Gotta use the HDTV for something...
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First off zmestoni'm 26!! <-----there they are again, i only use these in XS when i read post after post of of trash!! and PR Fanboy's getting all hot and sweaty over Vapour ware if only you see, the contradictions you make post after post. :/
The worst thing is we have all fallen for your replies and posted more, back dooohhhh!! sucked in again.
14 years as a videogame journalist? well sounds like 14 mins and everybody only gets.....15 (So shhhhh!!)
My (copy and paste) comment was directed at your PR blurbs! as if your right in the hart of the gaming industry, when really it's on a news site or out of a mag you read cover to cover in a few hours to gain more (valuble, well! too you) News.
You need to lose the whole "videogame journalist" thing, also when others make mention of facts or info they have found / viewed online you ask for the source (link) i can only assume i was correct, regarding you trawling the net, and taking official PR (Sony Only) as money in the bank! (Your WRONG!)
Infact do you own either an XBOX or a GameCube!?! (honesty is always the best policy!)
Also how can you quote this happened in japan that happened in japan? when you weren't even there, and who says the people that write this stuff (that you take for money in the bank?) are not biased, in anyway shape or form.
They could be like you but there REAL journalists (Not very good ones, you get cowboys in every job sector!) and get paid for it.
This will be my final post, like so many have mentioned this has completly gone off topic. (unless i see more crazy talk
Also Starfox! Adv is a Great! game, it's not mis-guided loyalty it's a sweet game.. i'm sure there are many, many GC owners will say the same!
Eidos have not completely dropped the GC, in time you will see this very fact somewhere!
(PROBABLY at monday 04:03AM at www.Vapour-Ware.com/suckers/read/this.html) (then you will believe it, shame really)
Nintendo will never sell the rights to Mario and other classic Nintendo names to ppl like MS or Sony!! that will is the day i contemplate putting down my game pad(which is never!!)
By all, it was interesting thou!! <------Ooooops.
i get the feeling zmeston died
-Jan
Well a lot of people did make a bunch of personal attacks on the guy.
I hope not. He's one of my favorite posters here. Perhaps he suffered a seizure after reading one of Predatorxs's replies. Death by exclamation point.i get the feeling zmeston died
Anyway, I think that the largely unwarranted attacks on zmeston have occluded the important point in this thread: Nintendo is facing its most serious competition since it entered the gaming business. Never before has the company found itself so close to third place in America, and, as the Saturn and TurboGrafx could tell you, the position isn't an enviable one. Even when they went up against the Genesis and PlayStation, Nintendo had the handheld market as their own, but the PSP, hype aside, represents a very viable threat to the GameBoy's dominance. The company may enjoy a loss-free financial state, yet one must wonder how long that will endure if the GameBoy empire loses territory.
As for the Zelda deal, it's a nice pack-in. However, I can't help but think of the TurboDuo, which came bundled with a half-dozen games (a fact that Johnny Turbo never tried to exploit) and thus left new Duo owners with little reason to go out and buy anything else for the next five months or so. Perhaps those who grab GameCubes for the Zelda collection will spend so much time exploring the nostalgic terrains of Hyrules past that they won't be very quick to pick up any other titles.
Fluke, I bet you're looking forward to an increase in callers asking "What the HELL is up with that Grumble Grumble thing?"
These kids today. No sense of adventure, them. Always wanting daddy to hold their hand! In my day, nothing made any sense and we liked it! Damn kids should ENJOY burning every freaking bush from here to Death Mountain.
*Grumble Grumble*
What I want to know is, will Ocarina of Time have GCN graphics?
Super Nintendo is STILL the best system ever.
Now right now I'll wave this disclaimer -- I've never played the original demo disk -- but I think what I've learned about it is enough to answer your question.
For whatever reasons (no encryption?) the Master Sword bonus game disk has a N64 emulator and a European ROM (or was it just PAL?) that will play on your GameCube. Thus I'd expect the graphics and everything else to have exactly the same amount of detail.
What likely changed is what happens when you run it through that emulator. It's a given that the lines will be sharper, and maybe they have some sort of filter running on frames as well. It probably looks a lot better than you might think, especially after you consider what some good N64 emu graphics plugins will do for a game (i.e. half a year ago I saw one set of plugins that made Majora's Mask look pretty sweet).
It wasn't meant to be an attack on your profession, rather it was merely a point that given your profession you should be well versed in the manipulation of facts and figures in order to produce a desired argumentative point irrespective of the original context/meaning and factors surrounding said facts and figures.
As I stated in my example, Sony was indeed taking a loss on their hardware production in particular because of the two main processors in the system, the EE and the GPU which were both notably large (the EE was larger than a P3) and expensive to manufacture, in fact combined the two chips together were large enough to give even the best Semiconductor manufacturers a headache.
As a result the chips not only proved undesirably expensive to manufacture, but also knocked Sony's PS2 production back (despite Sony's $1bn investment into manufacturing the chips) which was in turn partly responsible for Sony's initail failure to suppy enough units to territories for the given release dates.
Chip and hardware manufacturing costs taken into account the PS2's estimated up-front production cost was estimated between $430 - $488, thus because the PS2 had to be released at a reasonably competative price tag of $299 (slightly higher in Japan) Sony inevitable had to take a loss on the Unit untill manufacturing processes could improve significantly enough to reduce the overall cost of manufacturing through more efficient hardware design.. a notable example of which would have been around mid 2002 when Sony was finally able to combine the EE and GPU onto a single chip, thereby reducing production costs (initailly by around 11%).
Thus in turn, the example I gave of the manipulation of facts and figures does hold true (in that it's a true representation of said manipulation.. not that the statement it made was actually true :P )
C'mon zmeston, the hardware hasn't even been finalized yet. At it's current state in production the PSP doesn't even have a measured technical performance because a final hardware makeup hasn't been finalized from which even an intitial measurement of technical performance can be taken.
At the moment the unit and any given technical estimates as to it's capabilities are based solely on the theoretical capabilities of hardware components which haven't yet been integrated into a final unit and which are measured at the peak of their potential performance estimates without regard for the drawbacks/impairments and additional technical constraints which are incurred through combining them with the other components under the technical constraints incurred by such a piece of hardware as a portable gaming system.
Yes, the PSP will likely be an impressive piece of gaming hardware but what this means is that nobody knows what the unit's actual capabilites will be, indeed at this stage in the systems development lifecycle even the guys working at Sony's PSP R'n'D would only have a basic estimate at best given that in the best possible case the hardware is only in it's Alpha stage(s).
OY!!, I said that, get yer own text
You know, that's funny, on the developer's side there's very little actual info on the final hardware or capabilities of the PSP, in fact aside from as yet unproven promises, Sony have yet to deliver any solid information or tools which developers can actually work with. Indeed enquiries into pertaining even a beta development platform overview for the hardware pretty much fall flat given to the reason that they haven't yet reached a confirmed setup yet and any info given at this point would be useless as the system architecture is still subject to "significant changes", in fact I've yet to speak with a developer who has been told otherwise, even by their own Publisher.
Distant #2 fair enough, although the statement that the GC isn't profitable -hardly. Granted the GB is N's biggest earner but last time I checked it accounted for only 70% of N's profit, with the GC pulling up the bulk of the remaining 30%.
Nah, he's probably just busy, give the guy some time it's not always easy finding the time to post in a discussion, especially if you've got a project milestone or deadline to meet.i get the feeling zmeston died
Oh yeah.. Free disk thingie, Zelda goodness, woo..
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Say WHAT? Atari dropped support of the GC? Where? Did'nt Ikaruga sell well enough? That was one of the best 20 games for the system.
Once again the GC is getting shafted despite all the great games for it. Maybe the increased sales with the price drop and the new games coming out will help.
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Howdy People,
To be honest i got bored and reading back through some of my last posts, my spelling and grammer where are all over the place, sorry.. Dooooohh!
But unlike zmweasel or zmeston who ever he wants too be this week, i don't go back and edit out crappy and misleading comments and PR crud.
Also i don't need 2 weeks to think up a bunch of replies to a post ( that took me 5 mins at most to write!
i'm 26 but i don't act it, well that's just me!
And i'm glad you have a debug version of both the XBOX and the PS2 i hope your very happy with them (but who cares?)
I find myself (drunkat 1:52am) repling to a crazy talkin journo turkey, i must be mad!.... My mates say the PS2 is good but not that good lol?!? (hey... where's my beer!?!)
Lighten up abit and stop takin every comment too heart or is it HartOooooooooWell!!
Good night all! Just watched Commando tonight i know it's an old film (1985? where do the years go?) but it is so cool when Arnie is killing people for fun for the last 15 mins of the film, he is the Maaaaan!!
Hey Sully your a funny Guy......!! I love quotes from Arnie films. :P
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