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    WWF King of the Ring on the NES was so bad, no one even remembers it in this thread. Priceless. It easily had some of the more painful sprite work on the hardware. Hilariously underdetailed and a mass of lines and color. Gameplay was simply atrocious too.

    I liked most of the LJN 16-bit games, beginning with Royal Rumble. The underrated Rage in the Cage on Sega CD is awesome. Great voice work that sold that era of the WWF. I could do without the "computer wins when it wants to" button mashing grapple system, but those games had a great move set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post
    I liked most of the LJN 16-bit games, beginning with Royal Rumble. The underrated Rage in the Cage on Sega CD is awesome. Great voice work that sold that era of the WWF. I could do without the "computer wins when it wants to" button mashing grapple system, but those games had a great move set.
    Best part of Rage In the Cage was the gibberish Fatu would yell before each match he was in. BABOO! EEECHACHACHA! EEE-EEE! YAH! YAH!

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    Anybody remember Wrestle War for the Megadrive? Not stellar, but not horrible either. It's most distinguishing features were the blatant ripoffs of popular wrestlers (including Hulk Hogan on the cover), blah gameplay, and title screen audio; some obnoxious guy yelling "Welcome toooooo Wrestleeeeeeee War!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawksmoor View Post
    Anybody remember Wrestle War for the Megadrive? Not stellar, but not horrible either. It's most distinguishing features were the blatant ripoffs of popular wrestlers (including Hulk Hogan on the cover), blah gameplay, and title screen audio; some obnoxious guy yelling "Welcome toooooo Wrestleeeeeeee War!"

    Yeah, it's very good for a 16 bit game, huge sprites, but the camera angle changing can be jarring.

    Sad that Sega didn't bring it to the US, the Genesis could have done with a 1st party wrestling title during that era. Glad they threw it on some of the Genesis collections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamereviewgod View Post
    WWF King of the Ring on the NES was so bad, no one even remembers it in this thread.
    I had it, I liked it better than Wrestlemania for the NES but that's not really saying much. I remember trying both King of the Ring and Wrestlemania in a game store to pick one of them as I wanted a wrestling game at the time, I didn't know about rarity at the time so I went with the game I liked to play more. I later sold it because I never really played it at home.

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    Here's a short video of Toukon Club, since nobody else has even mentioned it and I clearly didn't talk it up enough lol. Ignore my terrible playing, I was trying to to figure out a crazy corkscrew top rope move, but I couldn't get it in this video. Anyway... Camera rotation, dives out of the ring, knock offs of real wrestlers (Hulk Hogan, Mil Mascaras, Abdullah the Butcher, etc.), not a large selection of moves or wrestlers by any means, but still a really decent wrestling game for being on the Famicom.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EricThaDead View Post
    Here's a short video of Toukon Club, since nobody else has even mentioned it and I clearly didn't talk it up enough lol. Ignore my terrible playing, I was trying to to figure out a crazy corkscrew top rope move, but I couldn't get it in this video. Anyway... Camera rotation, dives out of the ring, knock offs of real wrestlers (Hulk Hogan, Mil Mascaras, Abdullah the Butcher, etc.), not a large selection of moves or wrestlers by any means, but still a really decent wrestling game for being on the Famicom.
    Cool wrestling game, man! Yeah, it took the video to entice me to play it. I appreciate your evangelistic zeal and the work you put into translating the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treismac View Post
    Cool wrestling game, man! Yeah, it took the video to entice me to play it. I appreciate your evangelistic zeal and the work you put into translating the game.
    I did the translation back in November, but I didn't spread it around or anything, just posted it on ROMHacking.net and my website. I'm hoping a few people enjoy the game so me translating it, and possibly attempting to translate something else, doesn't feel like a complete waste of time lol. Thanx for checking it out!

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    Wwf wrestlemania the arcade. It's more mortal kombat then wwf but it's good and fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricThaDead View Post
    Here's a short video of Toukon Club, since nobody else has even mentioned it and I clearly didn't talk it up enough lol. Ignore my terrible playing, I was trying to to figure out a crazy corkscrew top rope move, but I couldn't get it in this video. Anyway... Camera rotation, dives out of the ring, knock offs of real wrestlers (Hulk Hogan, Mil Mascaras, Abdullah the Butcher, etc.), not a large selection of moves or wrestlers by any means, but still a really decent wrestling game for being on the Famicom.

    WOW! I love the ring rotations. Don't know how I've missed this one over the years. Can't wait to give it a try!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie_Says_Relax View Post
    WOW! I love the ring rotations. Don't know how I've missed this one over the years. Can't wait to give it a try!
    Quick tip: When the camera rotates, try to get to a different vertical plane than your opponent. It takes a bit to get used to the camera rotation, and the CP almost always tries to hit a strike as it happens. lol

    Hope you enjoy it!

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    This thread makes me really bummed that US developers seem to be completely resistant to making an unlicensed wrestling game with over-the-top characters ala Pro-Wrestling, Saturday Night Slam Masters or even Punch-Out if you will in our modern era.

    The closest we've gotten in recent years are previously mentioned M.U.S.C.L.E. games and the Rumble Roses games, which aren't bad other than both being paced in the Japanese pro wrestling match style (slow and steady).

    I'd LOVE to see something with over-the-top original characters and crazy fast action ... the WWE Superstars game was a move in the right direction but the superdeformed WWE likenesses kind of held it back more than anything.

    I'm a huge wrestling mark and I'm totally not opposed to playing with unlicensed characters if they're well designed and have personality. Wrestling games need to be fun again!
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    Did you see that PC wrestling game on Steam Greenlight?
    It's supposed to be like a highly modifiable clone of Aki's N64 rasslin games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kedawa View Post
    Did you see that PC wrestling game on Steam Greenlight?
    It's supposed to be like a highly modifiable clone of Aki's N64 rasslin games.
    I didn't. Links?
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    Pro Wrestling X: Uprising

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...s/?id=92916857

    There are some videos on YouTube as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kedawa View Post
    Pro Wrestling X: Uprising

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...s/?id=92916857

    There are some videos on YouTube as well.
    Neat. I wish the dev luck, but it's not QUITE what I'm looking for personally.

    I want something more arcadey, retro pixel style or hand-drawn animations and more over-the-top/crazy moves. It doesn't have to be 2D but wrestling games have pretty much been that 3D aesthetic for the past 15 years or so.
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    It's sad, but I think pixel art is just wishful thinking nowadays.
    It seems like only retro hipster platformers and doujin fighters use it these days.
    Dust looks good, but it's so detailed and uses so many colours that it doesn't have that classic look.

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    Unless you become a pixel artist: http://2dwillneverdie.com/

    It's pretty much what Scrollboss is about these days.

    I did play Toukon Club when you first translated it, for what it's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie_Says_Relax View Post
    Yeah, it's very good for a 16 bit game, huge sprites, but the camera angle changing can be jarring.

    Sad that Sega didn't bring it to the US, the Genesis could have done with a 1st party wrestling title during that era. Glad they threw it on some of the Genesis collections.

    They didn't release it on the Genesis, but they did release an arcade version in America. I remember playing it at Pizza Hut (and being fairly underwhelmed).


    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie_Says_Relax View Post
    This thread makes me really bummed that US developers seem to be completely resistant to making an unlicensed wrestling game with over-the-top characters ala Pro-Wrestling, Saturday Night Slam Masters or even Punch-Out if you will in our modern era.

    The closest we've gotten in recent years are previously mentioned M.U.S.C.L.E. games and the Rumble Roses games, which aren't bad other than both being paced in the Japanese pro wrestling match style (slow and steady).

    I'd LOVE to see something with over-the-top original characters and crazy fast action ... the WWE Superstars game was a move in the right direction but the superdeformed WWE likenesses kind of held it back more than anything.

    I'm a huge wrestling mark and I'm totally not opposed to playing with unlicensed characters if they're well designed and have personality. Wrestling games need to be fun again!

    In addition to WWE All Stars (which was an all around mess, IMO), there was also WWE Legends of Wrestlemania, which was quite a bit better. It was too arcadey for my tastes, but still not a bad game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlastProcessing402 View Post
    They didn't release it on the Genesis, but they did release an arcade version in America. I remember playing it at Pizza Hut (and being fairly underwhelmed).

    In addition to WWE All Stars (which was an all around mess, IMO), there was also WWE Legends of Wrestlemania, which was quite a bit better. It was too arcadey for my tastes, but still not a bad game.
    The Genesis/Mega Drive version of Wrestle War is pretty close to the arcade version.

    Oh right right WWE ALL STARS, not Super Stars, forgot what it was called.

    That's kind of the PACE of the game that I want but non-licensed so they can have the freedom to get wacky with character designs.

    I guess developers view wrestling as a sports game genre in the US and as such they don't want to do it unlicensed.
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    I know it's not an 8 or 16 bit wrestling game, but Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 has to be the greatest wrestling game of all time. Definitely worth checking out if you're a wrestling mark like myself. Sorry I'm new by the way, just been lurking for the past 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Nintendo View Post
    I know it's not an 8 or 16 bit wrestling game, but Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 has to be the greatest wrestling game of all time. Definitely worth checking out if you're a wrestling mark like myself. Sorry I'm new by the way, just been lurking for the past 2 years.
    Do the VPW games have the AKI engine used in the WCW Vs. NWO/Revenge and WWF Wrestlemania 2000/No Mercy games?

    I think I scored those in an N64 lot years ago but never really played with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie_Says_Relax View Post
    Do the VPW games have the AKI engine used in the WCW Vs. NWO/Revenge and WWF Wrestlemania 2000/No Mercy games?

    I think I scored those in an N64 lot years ago but never really played with them.
    VPW2 uses the AKI engine. I'd assume VPW1 does too, as I can't think of a single N64 wrestling game that DIDN'T use that engine lol.

    Edit: Oh, I forgot about Nitro/Mayhem/Backstage Assault/Attitude/War Zone. They didn't use the AKI engine, obviously, but I played them on PS1 lol.
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    Funny enough, Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 was the engine tweaked for WWF Wrestlemnia 2000.

    I would vote for the Fire Pro series as the best, on the other hand.

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    Yeah, that's what I usually find is some prefer the Fire Pro Series over the VPW games, and some prefer it the other way around. I haven't met many people who like both though.

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