Cheetahmen II is happening

[Dr. BaconStein]

Couldn't find a thread about this, but here goes:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...evels?ref=live

When I saw this, my face lit up with excitement. Finally a new high profile NES game! One point of interest that made me even more excited:

THE CART PLAYS ON MY NES?

IF YOUR CONSOLE WORKS, THE GAME WILL PLAY. IT PLAYS ON THE MORE MODERN COUSINS LIKE THE RETRO DUO TOO.

I just got my Retro Duo in 2010. This is just the kind of game I've been waiting for!

Oh and before anyone calls this a scam: No they did not hire an entire team of developers just to make a fix that was already available in a rom hack.

[TheRedEye]

It's not a new game, this is just the original but patched to remove the bug that prevented you from playing it through to the end. You might be able to reproduce this "sequel" with the original and a Game Genie.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Also wasn't this stupid game for sale for five hundred dollars already? Why are they doing a Kickstarter if they're already selling it?

[understatement]

Also wasn't this stupid game for sale for five hundred dollars already? Why are they doing a Kickstarter if they're already selling it?

Yea, I really don't understand this at all but through the kickstarter you can get just the game for a more reasonable $60 if they reach the goal.


http://www.digitpress.com/forum/show...ght=Cheetahmen

[Damaniel]

What's interesting is that Greg Pabich (the person running the Kickstarter) is the person who bought the copy of Action 52 that I put up for sale on eBay last month.

What the hell - I'll toss him a few bucks. I wouldn't mind sending back some of his money to get a cart copy of his 'game'.

[Esquire Fox]

Also wasn't this stupid game for sale for five hundred dollars already? Why are they doing a Kickstarter if they're already selling it?

They released the prototype version of Cheetahmen found on an early prototype for Action 52 that Greg owns.
This version was drastically different from the one found on the retail release of Action 52.
His asking price for that game, called Cheetahmen: The Creation, is indeed in the several hundreds.

This kickstarter project is for a fixed copy of Cheetahmen II.
It seems this time he wants to just print about as many copies as there is demand for the game.

[Dr. BaconStein]

Hm... so it is just another repro and not a remake or anything? Darn, guess I spoke too soon. Oh well, I'll leave the link up for anyone who's interested, I guess...

It would at least be nice to know whether they are fixing only the one level bug or doing more to make the game actually playable/good.

[Esquire Fox]

Well, aside from the level bug, they are also seem to be fixing a lot of the issues caused by faulty mappers.
Namely the appearance of certain sprites (your health, the sword fighter enemy, etc).

As for making the game good? Not a chance.

[understatement]

They released the prototype version of Cheetahmen found on an early prototype for Action 52 that Greg owns.
This version was drastically different from the one found on the retail release of Action 52.
His asking price for that game, called Cheetahmen: The Creation, is indeed in the several hundreds.

This kickstarter project is for a fixed copy of Cheetahmen II.
It seems this time he wants to just print about as many copies as there is demand for the game.

Okay, that explains it; I just looked at the $200 and $500 price tag for a repo and didn’t really pay any more attention to it.

[Gameguy]

What's interesting is that Greg Pabich (the person running the Kickstarter) is the person who bought the copy of Action 52 that I put up for sale on eBay last month.

Is he hoarding copies of Action 52 now? Or does he just want to keep the value from dropping? I would think he would have already owned a regular copy of Action 52 by this point.

[TimTendo]

Save for perhaps the novelty, this is pretty pointless. I mean, this is definitely not a game I'd want anywhere near my collection, fixed or not. Sure, it probably has it's appeal to a lot people, but I can't see myself paying 60$ for a half broken game, that's just pushing it. Even with improvements to the programming and code, Cheetahmen just looked unappealing to me.

[Damaniel]

Is he hoarding copies of Action 52 now? Or does he just want to keep the value from dropping? I would think he would have already owned a regular copy of Action 52 by this point.

No clue. He already owns an Action 52 proto and a complete copy of the game. Mine was a pretty average cart only copy. I assume it's some attempt to corner the market, but I have no clue why anyone would bother. Especially when you have to pay nearly $200 a copy to do it.

[homerhomer]

http://www.reddit.com/r/gamecollecti...cheetahmen_ii/

[treismac]

While I understand and, dare I say, appreciate the often seeming lack of rhyme and reason to collecting, must we celebrate the rebirth of such a crappy and terribly flawed video game? If it weren't for the current market value of the game being so damn high, I wouldn't bother swapping my spare copy of Bayou Billy for a cart of Action 52.

I get the idea of supply driving up value. I do. However, I don't see why it motivates demand the way it does for otherwise worthless objects. Collectors wanting to own Nintendo World Championships- I totally get this. It has history. It is rare. It is fun. It is iconic (rather than infamous, which is about the only thing Cheetahmen has going for it). Even if some dude discovered a warehouse full of these games Nintendo misplaced and they sold for $5 a pop, it'd be worth having. But Action 52??? It's only value comes from being Action 52, that rare crappy collection of games shat into a single unlicensed cartridge. I can respect their being a perverse desire to own it, much the way someone who is a Russian history buff would cherish owning the severed member of Rasputin, but, for God's sake, it wouldn't be something you'd want to be waving the thing around at historical get togethers, now would it?

Tacking closure onto this pointless rant, if I had to float out some half-ass high-minded argument against the cherishing of rare crappy video games in the world of collecting, it would be that it cheapens the value of the actual games themselves apart from the hunks of plastic that encase them. Games have a function for which they were designed that they were intended to fulfill: to be played and enjoyed. If you love video games buy and play good ones, dammit. Art lovers don't flip out over finding some one of a kind piece of crap water color at a yard sale painted by aesthetically challenged little Sally.

Sorry if I come off as a self-righteous jerk here. I just am truly bothered by people in the retro gaming community getting psyched about such a crappy game being rebirthed to capitalize on the irrationality of collecting.

[GizzyGames]

Such a horrible, horrible game =)

[Ryaan1234]

I get the idea of supply driving up value. I do. However, I don't see why it motivates demand the way it does for otherwise worthless objects. Collectors wanting to own Nintendo World Championships- I totally get this. It has history. It is rare. It is fun. It is iconic (rather than infamous, which is about the only thing Cheetahmen has going for it). Even if some dude discovered a warehouse full of these games Nintendo misplaced and they sold for $5 a pop, it'd be worth having. But Action 52??? It's only value comes from being Action 52, that rare crappy collection of games shat into a single unlicensed cartridge. I can respect their being a perverse desire to own it, much the way someone who is a Russian history buff would cherish owning the severed member of Rasputin, but, for God's sake, it wouldn't be something you'd want to be waving the thing around at historical get togethers, now would it?

Okay, I understand that Cheetahmen II (and of course Action 52) are terrible games, but they are both rare games. I don't know about the numbers for Action 52 but Cheetahmen II was never released and as you may or may not know someone uncovered 1500 copies of it in a warehouse. 1500. That's it. It's a far rarer title than your average NES game. I know I, for one, am fascinated with the history of Active Enterprises and how they came to have made these terrible-ass games. Right there you have rarity and history involved in these games. Are they good? HELL no! Are they iconic? Not really. But you see, this is why NWC sells for thousands and Cheetahman II sells for a $500-$1000 (You'll have to forgive my range, it's been a while since one has shown up for auction on eBay).

Why do people watch movies like Troll 2 and Plan 9 From Outer Space? There's this human attraction to awfulness. I'm not psychologist, I can't explain why people like terrible things. I do know that video games can gain cult followings just as movies can. I believe that like the horrible B-movies of yesteryear Cheetahmen II (and it's predecessor Action 52) have gained the same type of cult status.

And FINALLY to be quite freaking honest both Cheetahmen and Action 52 are not a big deal. Nobody's going around flaunting this game at historical get togethers (Seriously treismacncheese where did you get this?). It's a horrible, awful game that is occasionally discussed by collectors and gamers. The only reason why gamers are even talking about them is because the AVGN featured the games. Your average Joe doesn't know who the Cheetahmen are, nor does he know what Active Enterprises made. This Pabich guy is just someone who realized he had something special (the Action 52 proto). He doesn't care about the game, it's history, or even us collectors. He's really just a businessman that wants to make a quick buck.

[treismac]

Why do people watch movies like Troll 2 and Plan 9 From Outer Space? There's this human attraction to awfulness. I'm not psychologist, I can't explain why people like terrible things. I do know that video games can gain cult followings just as movies can. I believe that like the horrible B-movies of yesteryear Cheetahmen II (and it's predecessor Action 52) have gained the same type of cult status.

Believe me, I understand schadenfreude, but I ain't shelling out $50 for Cool as Ice on laser disc.

And FINALLY to be quite freaking honest both Cheetahmen and Action 52 are not a big deal. Nobody's going around flaunting this game at historical get togethers (Seriously treismacncheese where did you get this?).

Here:

Couldn't find a thread about this, but here goes:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...evels?ref=live

When I saw this, my face lit up with excitement. Finally a new high profile NES game! One point of interest that made me even more excited:



I just got my Retro Duo in 2010. This is just the kind of game I've been waiting for!

Oh and before anyone calls this a scam: No they did not hire an entire team of developers just to make a fix that was already available in a rom hack.

Shilling... celebrating... aren't we just quibbling over semantics? Actually, all lame ass jokes aside, Dr. BaconStein's, the OP, second post loses way too much enthusiasm for him to be trying to do any kind of guerrilla marketing.


For some more celebration, these quotes are from NintendoAge (I hope this isn't like crossing the streams on Ghostbusters...):

Oh man, holofoil label!? I fuckin' love those, shame they're such a pain to work with...

I'll drop $60 once it goes live -just- for the holofoil. It's my <3.

One of the levels should include a copy of Cheetahmen: The Creation. Looks cool, I'll be watching for updates.

Heck, sounds Exciting to me, but I'm nuts.

Will atleast drop 60.

Crack whatever NintendoAge jokes you like, but they are still part of the retrogaming community.

Oh, and in regards to "historical get togethers," I was talking about Rasputin's severed cock, not Cheetahmen. Sheesh...

[Atarileaf]

Why do people watch movies like Troll 2 and Plan 9 From Outer Space? There's this human attraction to awfulness.

I guess that explains Charlie Sheen.

[treismac]

I guess that explains Charlie Sheen.

That is definitely part of it. His tiger blood fueled quotes entertain the hell out of me.

[alec006]

That is definitely part of it. His tiger blood fueled quotes entertain the hell out of me.

Well this thread is now "Winning!"

But in all seriousness, it would be interesting to play Cheetamen II and have a copy of it, I mean, it's just one of those cult things that people love.

[treismac]

Well this thread is now "Winning!"

But in all seriousness, it would be interesting to play Cheetamen II and have a copy of it, I mean, it's just one of those cult things that people love.

Don't get me wrong. I hope someone dumps its rom so I can check it out, too. More than that though, I'd love a newly discovered sequel to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde where the cane "attack" (?) actually works around a quarter of the time.