SON OF A BITCH. 3DS XL announce for the US.

[dgdgagdae]

Having a 3DS however, I believe that you can save the games to the memory stick and just swap them across to the new system. I'll have to experiment with mine, as it's something i've not looked into or worried about.

It looks like Nintendo has provided a way to do this:

http://www.gamesradar.com/transfer-a...e-3ds-another/

[Leo_A]

They haven't provided a way to do that.

The transfer takes place utilizing the WiFi features of both handhelds (Or if you want to transfer DSi content to another DSi or to a 3DS). You can't stick all your content on to a memory card and just insert it into another system.

Thankfully, they've confirmed that the Wii U will have an account based system like Sony and Microsoft use. This transfer function for their handhelds is useless for the consumer if they're trying to retrieve their content on a new system after the old one failed.

[BetaWolf47]

Redesign or not, I think 3DS needs to get better games before I'll get one. Better hope you can live off of Mario games and fighting games if you get one now.

[Leo_A]

A steady supply of Nintendo releases is enough for me. Mario Kart 7, Super Mario Land 3D, Pilotwings, New Super Mario Brothers 2, Ocarina of Time 3D. Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion 2, etc.

I could easily enjoy the heck out of this platform at this rate and never buy a single non Nintendo published title. I just hope it keeps up until a successor nears, unlike several dry years from Nintendo before the DS was finally replaced.

The occasional nice 3rd party release is just icing on the cake at the rate Nintendo is releasing quality 1st party projects for this platform.

[Press_Start]

Redesign or not, I think 3DS needs to get better games before I'll get one. Better hope you can live off of Mario games and fighting games if you get one now.

Kid Icarus Uprising
Resident Evil Revelations
Kingdom Hearts 3D
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Epic Mickey: Power of Illusion
Professor Layton: Mask of Miracles
Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon
Heroes of Ruin
Bravery Default: Flying Fairy
Code of Princess
Super Smash Bros
Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Stand
Devil Survivor Overclocked
Tales of the Abyss
Paper Mario: Sticker Star
UnchainedBlades Rexx
Spirit Camera
Castlevania: Mirror of Fate
Theatrhythm Final Fantasy
Rhythm Thief and the Emperor's Treasure
Harvest Moon: The Tale of Two Towns
Adventure Time: Hey Ice King! Why'd You Steal Our Garbage?!
Sonic Generations
Cave Story 3D
Tetris Axis
Nano Assault
Project X Zone
Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers

....and notice how I didn't mention New Super Mario Bros 2.

So, I don't know if you're still relying on the same information from March 2011 or you swapped brains with kupo, but the 3DS has good games. And there are still more games coming down the pike going 3 months into the handheld's 2nd year. If they're not up to your personal likings, well there's always next year.

[Gameguy]

I haven't looked up most of those games but Spirit Camera has horrible reviews and that's one of the few games I was interested in. It's supposed to work by placing ghosts in your own home using the built in camera, but it only works in well lit areas so you can't have a proper atmosphere for the story. There were other problems with it too but I can't remember the specifics at the moment.

I'm not really surprised about this new 3DS version coming out, it's like the GBA SP which came out less than 2 years after the first GBA came out. I'll most likely wait until I can find a 3DS for under $30 before I get one.

[JSoup]

Moving Wii content from one Wii to another is a HUGE hassle. Nintendo doesn't like/want you to do that at all. It involves calls the the Nintendo help line and sacrifices to the digital gods.

Since I tend to consider most of this forums users to be pretty damn knowledgeable about games stuffs, I find my self assuming that most of the Wii owners around here are smart enough to have a modded Wii. With which moving content between Wiis is as simple as moving an SD card.

[kupomogli]

Why do people list games that they clearly haven't even played when making a "reasons to buy x system."

Fire Emblem Awakening. Isn't out in the US. Epic Mickey, Professor Layton, Luigi's Mansion, Heroes of Ruin(which I am interested in,) Bravely Default, etc, etc, aren't even out yet. Over half of that list isn't even out yet in any region, meaning there's no possible way you would have played them and they could potentially be amazing or suck total ass, either or. When judging whether a system has good games or not, you're usually going to base your opinion on games that are out and you've actually played. A lot of people don't. They add other games that haven't even been released to the system to buff up the numbers. Adding games that aren't even out is just admitting the system doesn't have enough good games currently to list those and only those.

Other than Mario Kart 7, there's nothing original on the 3DS that's a must own title, except maybe Revelations, which while owning the game, I've only played the demo. From what I've heard it's a lot better than the demo, and playing as Jill is survival horror and Chris is never run out of ammo shoot everything that moves style. It's only an opinion and others may differ, or games that'd be purchased based on hype and opinion is mostly based on the feeling that they spent $40-50 dollars on the game. Just like the Vita, the 3DS has hardly any good games. Fact(based on personal opinion.)

[Leo_A]

I listed three games that are presently unreleased because they're essentially guaranteed to be successes and are due during the second half of this year. They're all sequels from the best developer in the business in known franchises. The chances of any of the three being less than successful is slim.

If someone enjoyed the first two NSMB games, for instance, I don't see what the harm is in listing NSMB2 as one of just several major examples of popular 1st party releases that can keep a 3DS owner busy almost exclusively now or in the near future without even playing any software from other publishers.

When a single publisher can keep me happy with already released titles and multiple games in the pipeline for the next few months, I see little reason to complain about the software library. And it's not like the 3DS is devoid of quality 3rd party releases either. Furthermore, as the 3DS continues to gain popularity (Which it seems to be quickly doing after a seemingly slow start out of the gate), the situation is just going to improve where quality 3rd party releases are concerned.

The software library is the biggest thing the 3DS has going for it in my opinion.

[dgdgagdae]

They haven't provided a way to do that.

The transfer takes place utilizing the WiFi features of both handhelds (Or if you want to transfer DSi content to another DSi or to a 3DS). You can't stick all your content on to a memory card and just insert it into another system.

Thankfully, they've confirmed that the Wii U will have an account based system like Sony and Microsoft use. This transfer function for their handhelds is useless for the consumer if they're trying to retrieve their content on a new system after the old one failed.

I could be mistaken, but I think the question was about transferring downloaded titles from one working 3DS to a replacement 3DS XL. In which case, there is a Nintendo provided solution.

[Kitsune Sniper]

There will be an AC adapter. I'll bet something got lost in translation at Kotaku. There won't be an AC dock included with XL. Does that make a little more sense?

Also...red or blue only? No thanks. I'll wait for an "adult" color (who the XL line was originally intended for).

Edit: stupid phone typing.

If it uses a USB cable to charge then most USB charge adaptors should work fine with it.

[Leo_A]

I could be mistaken, but I think the question was about transferring downloaded titles from one working 3DS to a replacement 3DS XL. In which case, there is a Nintendo provided solution.

He quoted someone that said he believed that you could simply swap a SD card into another system to bring your DLC over to another and verified it as true.

That's not the case though to get your DLC working on a different 3DS.

[Gunstar Hero]

Glad I waited, yet again. I will buy this after it has its first price drop, unless a dual analog version is announced at that time, then I will wait for that.

Same for me its like freakin endless waiting for Nintendo... When they add the second analog stick then I'll see about wastin' $200.

[Bojay1997]

I'm sorry, but anyone who is upset by this is being completely ridiculous. Nintendo is not your friend and it doesn't owe you anything. Nintendo is a corporation just like Sony and Microsoft. All of them care about one thing and one thing alone, making money. Sony puts out new model televisions every single year. The only reason they haven't released tons of PSP revisions is that there isn't demand for them, not because they care about consumers. Apple releases new computer and iPad/iPhone models almost every year. If you buy one of this years' models, I guarantee the model being sold next year will have slightly better features for roughly the same price.

The 3DS has been out for over a year now. That's a full year of some great gaming. You can wait forever and worry about what Nintendo or Apple or Sony might have up their sleeves or you can actually enjoy the products now and not be so concerned about what improvements might be made in the future. Heck, you can always trade in or sell your older product and at least cover some of the cost of the new model if you absolutely can't live without the newest and biggest thing.

[RCM]

I'm sorry, but anyone who is upset by this is being completely ridiculous. Nintendo is not your friend and it doesn't owe you anything. Nintendo is a corporation just like Sony and Microsoft. All of them care about one thing and one thing alone, making money. Sony puts out new model televisions every single year. The only reason they haven't released tons of PSP revisions is that there isn't demand for them, not because they care about consumers. Apple releases new computer and iPad/iPhone models almost every year. If you buy one of this years' models, I guarantee the model being sold next year will have slightly better features for roughly the same price.

The 3DS has been out for over a year now. That's a full year of some great gaming. You can wait forever and worry about what Nintendo or Apple or Sony might have up their sleeves or you can actually enjoy the products now and not be so concerned about what improvements might be made in the future. Heck, you can always trade in or sell your older product and at least cover some of the cost of the new model if you absolutely can't live without the newest and biggest thing.

I can't speak for anyone else, but it's supremely annoying to know Nintendo would rather push out an "acceptable" product vs. Apple's "market leading/defining" portables. I love GBA, but it took until the very end of its life cycle for Nintendo to really get that system right. especially in terms of its screen. The same can be said about the DS line and now 3DS, generally speaking. I don't think it's lost on anyone here that Nintendo operates to make money, but it's fucking 2012, get your product right the first time so early adopters don't feel like complete fucking assholes when they support you.

Some folks obviously don't feel that way and I'm not entirely sure why.

[Bojay1997]

I can't speak for anyone else, but it's supremely annoying to know Nintendo would rather push out an "acceptable" product vs. Apple's "market leading/defining" portables. I love GBA, but it took until the very end of its life cycle for Nintendo to really get that system right. especially in terms of its screen. The same can be said about the DS line and now 3DS, generally speaking. I don't think it's lost on anyone here that Nintendo operates to make money, but it's fucking 2012, get your product right the first time so early adopters don't feel like complete fucking assholes when they support you.

Some folks obviously don't feel that way and I'm not entirely sure why.

Apple has pushed out more than their share of imperfect products over the years and they regularly update and upgrade. Should I be upset that my Macbook Pro purchased new six months ago can't display in Retina display resolution? Of course not. It's a feature they added and if I want it, I can always buy the new one. It doesn't impact my ability to enjoy my current Macbook Pro any less. Nintendo is unlikely to stop selling the regular 3DS, just like they continued to sell the DSLite, DSi and DSXL and even the 3DS all at the same time. Having a larger screen is not about Nintendo "getting it right", it's about Nintendo giving buyers more options and generating more profit in the process.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I can't speak for anyone else, but it's supremely annoying to know Nintendo would rather push out an "acceptable" product...

It is indeed annoying, but it's tough to argue with the fact that all of their portables have sold tremendously, in some cases dominating and monopolizing the market space for years despite their technical limitations/flaws even in the face of arguably technologically superior product.

So, if you ask Nintendo the question "why don't you engineer your product more so you launch with something more refined?" the answer based on historical data would likely be "We really don't need to, people usually buy and enjoy our product in whatever state we release it ... and then they re-buy or upgrade when we release an improved model".

And, really, as Bojay pointed out, that's pretty standard fare for most similar industries. There's a segment of the public that will always buy "this years model" regardless of how insignificant the improvements are.

Personally, I don't think the original 3DS was any great offender. Other than some slightly wonky aesthetics, it's light-years better than previous first iterations that they've done.

[RCM]

Apple has pushed out more than their share of imperfect products over the years and they regularly update and upgrade. Should I be upset that my Macbook Pro purchased new six months ago can't display in Retina display resolution? Of course not. It's a feature they added and if I want it, I can always buy the new one. It doesn't impact my ability to enjoy my current Macbook Pro any less. Nintendo is unlikely to stop selling the regular 3DS, just like they continued to sell the DSLite, DSi and DSXL and even the 3DS all at the same time. Having a larger screen is not about Nintendo "getting it right", it's about Nintendo giving buyers more options and generating more profit in the process.

While your older Macbook now has an inferior screen it wasn't substandard upon release like many Nintendo portables from the past decade. I'm sure Apple doesn't have a perfect record, but they're extremely solid within the context of smartphones and tablets. I have an iPad 2 and have no interest in the latest version since Apple released a product with few shortcomings to begin with. It's tough to make the same claim about Nintendo portables, and GBA is probably my favorite portable device, period. It's just a shitty practice, and their competitors (especially Apple) are clearly taking a different route. More than that, the competition is winning in terms of market share. That is, if you believe Apple and Google are competitors.

It is indeed annoying, but it's tough to argue with the fact that all of their portables have sold tremendously, in some cases dominating and monopolizing the market space for years despite their technical limitations/flaws even in the face of arguably technologically superior product.

So, if you ask Nintendo the question "why don't you engineer your product more so you launch with something more refined?" the answer based on historical data would likely be "We really don't need to, people usually buy and enjoy our product in whatever state we release it ... and then they re-buy or upgrade when we release an improved model".

And, really, as Bojay pointed out, that's pretty standard fare for most similar industries. There's a segment of the public that will always buy "this years model" regardless of how insignificant the improvements are.

Personally, I don't think the original 3DS was any great offender. Other than some slightly wonky aesthetics, it's light-years better than previous first iterations that they've done.

Nintendo is up against fierce competition where the tech is fairly cutting edge and the prices for software are remarkably consumer-friendly. What worked in the past doesn't seem to be working as well in the present.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Nintendo is up against fierce competition where the tech is fairly cutting edge and the prices for software are remarkably consumer-friendly. What worked in the past doesn't seem to be working as well in the present.

Yup. I completely agree, the marketplace has dynamically changed.

We've discussed our feelings about the impact of smartphone gaming IRL and I know we're on the same page.

But, ya know, with this, it's Nintendo.

They're always the most resistant to acknowledge the significance/importance/impactfulness of anything outside of their own current hardware/software development & marketing strategies.

Sometimes it works for them. Most times it does. This might be the time it doesn't ... it's a wait and see really. I don't think that things will ever be the same as they were prior to iOS and Android entering the fray, but as an enthusiast I'll take what I can get while the gettin' is still there to even get from Nintendo and Sony in terms of traditional portable gaming.

[Bojay1997]

While your older Macbook now has an inferior screen it wasn't substandard upon release like many Nintendo portables from the past decade. I'm sure Apple doesn't have a perfect record, but they're extremely solid within the context of smartphones and tablets. I have an iPad 2 and have no interest in the latest version since Apple released a product with few shortcomings to begin with. It's tough to make the same claim about Nintendo portables, and GBA is probably my favorite portable device, period. It's just a shitty practice, and their competitors (especially Apple) are clearly taking a different route. More than that, the competition is winning in terms of market share. That is, if you believe Apple and Google are competitors.



Nintendo is up against fierce competition where the tech is fairly cutting edge and the prices for software are remarkably consumer-friendly. What worked in the past doesn't seem to be working as well in the present.

Well, I have lots of friends who are not so happy about the fact that unless you have an iPhone 4S or an iPad 2 or newer, iOS 6 either won't work at all or will have more limited functionality. I just recently got the new iPad, so I am well aware of its charms. Of course, a new iPad is a minimum of a $500 device plus you are locked into Apple's store system guaranteeing them even more revenue. Sure, the software is cheaper, (although on the gaming side it also seems to have a lot less depth - I haven't yet found a game on the iPad that I would sink 10-20 hours into like some on the 3DS and DS before that) but the hardware is at least 2.5X the cost and that doesn't even factor in things everyone buys like cases, screen protectors, and other peripherals.

Yes, the iPhone and iPad have always been polished, but Apple is taking an increasingly aggressive approach to forcing people to updgrade their hardware if they want the current software to work. That's very different than the old days when I kept my G4 working for almost a decade and Apple kept supporting the older OSX versions.

The 3DS seems pretty polished to me. This is just a larger screen for people that want it. The hardware is unchanged other than that and all 3DS games work with the new XL. So, please explain to me how this in any way impacts you as a user and why this is a terrible thing that Nintendo is doing to you?

[RCM]

So, please explain to me how this in any way impacts you as a user and why this is a terrible thing that Nintendo is doing to you?

I never said it was a terrible thing. Living with AIDS and herpes on your face is a terrible thing... It's just a shitty practice that shouldn't be acceptable in today's market. Sony brought out a brilliant handheld in terms of tech and design for about the same price. Why can't Nintendo? Hell, why shouldn't Nintendo? It's 2012, where's my second analog stick? Where's my multi-touch screen?

I'm sick of being burned by Nintendo's substandard hardware, and in this generation the software hasn't really appealed to my interests either. I guess we can agree to disagree on this.

[Bojay1997]

I never said it was a terrible thing. Living with AIDS and herpes on your face is a terrible thing... It's just a shitty practice that shouldn't be acceptable in today's market. Sony brought out a brilliant handheld in terms of tech and design for about the same price. Why can't Nintendo? Hell, why shouldn't Nintendo? It's 2012, where's my second analog stick? Where's my multi-touch screen?

I'm sick of being burned by Nintendo's substandard hardware, and in this generation the software hasn't really appealed to my interests either. I guess we can agree to disagree on this.

So, your position is basically that the 3DS/XL should offer at $170/$200 what the Vita offers for $250? Essentially, your complaint is just a general anti-Nintendo attack and has nothing to do with this announcement at all, correct? My iPad doesn't have a stick. Does that mean I shouldn't ever buy another game for it? Does that mean the iPad is terrible for gaming? It's 2012? What was Apple thinking?

I agree with you that a second analog stick would have been nice and that the add-on is kind of jackbuilt and not super ergonomic, but it's not a mandatory item for a great handheld and it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the library of games I have on the 3DS. It also has nothing to with this particular revision which is simply a larger screen for $30 more than the regular model.

[RCM]

So, your position is basically that the 3DS/XL should offer at $170/$200 what the Vita offers for $250? Essentially, your complaint is just a general anti-Nintendo attack and has nothing to do with this announcement at all, correct? My iPad doesn't have a stick. Does that mean I shouldn't ever buy another game for it? Does that mean the iPad is terrible for gaming? It's 2012? What was Apple thinking?

I agree with you that a second analog stick would have been nice and that the add-on is kind of jackbuilt and not super ergonomic, but it's not a mandatory item for a great handheld and it doesn't prevent me from enjoying the library of games I have on the 3DS. It also has nothing to with this particular revision which is simply a larger screen for $30 more than the regular model.

3DS was $250, and if Nintendo had their way it would still be $250. It's not an anti-Nintendo attack, and if it is you must be a Nintendo apologist. But let's be real and acknowledge I'm not anti-Nintendo for the sake of being anti-Nintendo, and you're not an apologist for the Big N. I'm just giving credit where credit is due, and Nintendo undoubtedly can and should do better. They have a history of releasing substandard handheld hardware, and because of that I no longer support them out of the gate. I'm reasonably optimistic they will eventually get it right, and when they do I'll drop some cash and buy a 3DSi XLL or whatever it will be called.

[kupomogli]

stuff

Almost all of Nintendo's revisions on their handheld systems are all major revisions that more than likely get their fanbase to go out and purchase the later revision. Unless you want to get fucked over by Nintendo's practices, you either don't enjoy many of the games that are released on their systems and purchase only the very last revision to get the best deal, or you enjoy their systems and wait until a final revision so you can get the best version of the portable. It's bullshit. PC gamers pay less staying up to date than Nintendo fans do at enjoying Nintendo consoles.

If you were a PSP owner that owned a 1000, about the only revision that makes any major difference that you have to own to get the superior version was the PSP2000 or 3000. The 3000 has a microphone on the PSP. I must have it!!!! No. The tv out on the 2000 was all that mattered. While the Wonderswan and Neo Geo Pocket had Color versions like Nintendo did with the Gameboy Color, there are the Game Gear and Turbo Express Portable that offered the full experience without having to purchase a second revision. Sure both the Game Gear and Turbo Express Portable suck battery life harder than a porn star sucks a dick, but you didn't have to go out and purchase another portable to make up for the short comings of the one you originally purchased like every Nintendo portable ever.

[Tupin]

Sure both the Game Gear and Turbo Express Portable suck battery life harder than a porn star sucks a dick, but you didn't have to go out and purchase another portable to make up for the short comings of the one you originally purchased like every Nintendo portable ever.

So if a company puts out a horrible product, it's better for everyone to just use a piece of crap rather than bring a new one to market out of company pride/consumer trust? If this were true, all of Apple's mice would still be circular.