Ah yes. Multiple supported resolutions inside PS2, at 50hz or 60hz for importers... *sigh*Originally Posted by sheath
Ah yes. Multiple supported resolutions inside PS2, at 50hz or 60hz for importers... *sigh*
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You can do both. After you've selected the model or models you're interested search for reviews. CNET in particular has a great method of reviewing TVs, and the AVS Forums are a good place to check too.
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I do both, depending on the game. For RPGs I don't bother with any setting changes, for a quick action game I turn on game mode. If I wanted some of the image enhancing features without the lag I'd turn off clearframe. CNET and AVS is where I researched this set before buying it, but what you really want is to find out how much lag the screen creates with all settings on and all settings off and see if you can live with that.
The Toshiba set I have had reviews online from gamers who claimed they could play fast action games with no problem. I also tested another cheaper set with my Nomad and games like Sonic and Street Fighter II before accepting that whatever lag in the input might be in LCDs is minimal on the good sets. If you get a model in mind and can find it in a store locally you might bring a game console with you and see if they will let you test it first. Don't feel obliged to buy it there if they do, just give it a good run in a fast paced platformer, racer, or fighting game not made by Namco.
Also keep in mind that most popular games from the PS2 on depend on analog stick deadzones and controller lag to maintain the graphics they are displaying. If what you want to play predominantly is on the Playstation consoles or the Xbox, and you aren't into niche action titles like Golden Axe Beast Rider, then the lag introduced by HDTVs is miniscule compared to the consoles themselves.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/featur...o_.php?print=1
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/featur...onsiveness.php
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...gainst-latency
Last edited by sheath; 05-15-2012 at 01:45 PM.
right now here's the 2 i'm most interested in:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...UNG-_-89102573
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-40RV52...dp_ob_title_ce
Took a few length measurements at work of a few of the tvs so I can judge how they'll look on the tv stand/entertainment center I have (31 in length)
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I'd go with the Toshiba if for no other reason than I know its gaming mode works and Toshiba TVs are top notch. Samsung has come a long way, but I'd take a Toshiba or a Phillips or LG over them still. The price being in favor of the Toshiba would be a deal sealer for me. If you can find one with a 120Hz mode get that instead, you'll be shocked at how much better movies and TV shows look at that rate.
Personally, I'd take a Samsung over any of those brands, ESPECIALLY Toshiba.
I've noticed a lot of ire popping up against Toshiba in the last year or so. What is that all about, has their product quality dropped? Everything I have owned from them has lasted well past anything Sony makes, decades I mean. Seeing Toshiba fall from that status would be as bad to me as seeing Yamaha start to make consumable electronics.
you mean like this?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN40D6.../dp/B004SHKELG
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I don't know about the last year, but I've never been a supporter of Toshiba. They don't do anything particularly well IMO. Not saying that they aren't decent, but with comparable Samsung displays being priced about the same, I see no reason to bother.
Sony's LCD/Plasma boxes aren't bad, but I wouldn't put any on my list of must-haves, that's for sure. They made the best CRTs and their DLPs are nice.
Samsung makes an amazing LCD. Hell, most Apple displays are stuffed with Samsung LCDs. I don't have much of an opinion on anything else these Samsung makes, but their LCDs are pretty much top-notch.
That looks alright to me. I'd just look for some reviews online to see if people are using it to play fast paced games. I'd also check newegg reviews to see about reliability issues.
Again, I'd stress reading reviews at places like CNET and AVS Forums. CNET in particular has specific review criteria and tools to measure television performance. User reviews can be helpful too, but I wouldn't take them as gospel. Hell, I wouldn't take CNET's review as the final word either. And as others have already mentioned, if you can go to a store and hook up a console do that too. I did that when I bought my CRT HDTV years ago.
One last thing, while we all have brands we prefer, it's always worth reading reviews for the specific model you're interested in. For instance, Panasonic is my go-to brand for high-end televisions, but they had significant issues with their flagship plasmas in 2009. I could have really fucked someone by blindly recommending their brand that year. Some Samsungs are better than some Toshibas, and vice versa. Just do your research.
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I measured the length of my tv entertainment center/stand and the length of a 40" tv and took some cardboard to visualize how it would look. Here's a result. I may have to go slightly smaller. lol
IMG_0139.jpg
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LCDs stand on a base in the center, I've seen lots of people put them on a stand smaller than the set itself. It doesn't hurt anything. I had to expand my entertainment cabinet when I upgraded from a 32" CRT to my old 40" Toshiba RPTV, but since the whole thing is homemade from stained pine board it was only a matter of changing out four boards.
I know they're on a stand, I'm really asking for opinions now if with a 40 incher on my current entertainment center with its stand, if it would look good, or be too wide and overpowering.
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I started this project to demonstrate my earlier statement, but the results surprised me. I might need to adjust the way I game nowadays, at least on the classic consoles.
It's pretty difficult to see any significant difference between the two, most likely because of how you filmed them. The picture is almost completely washed out
If the room were completely dark save for the screen and the camera's settings were properly adjusted, then we might get a better idea of what you're seeing (although most of us probably know exactly what you're seeing).
With this camera I have to set it so it only sees the screen and then it will adjust to the screen brightness. I do apologize for the washed out image quality, but the point was to watch how close they were. I had to frame advance the video to see that the LCD was 3-4 frames behind, which explains why I have been playing games from every generation on it for years now without thinking the screen was causing any problems. I did feel like I had to work more at some games than I used to, but when it had been five years since the last time I played the game I just figured I had gotten rusty.It's pretty difficult to see any significant difference between the two, most likely because of how you filmed them. The picture is almost completely washed out
If the room were completely dark save for the screen and the camera's settings were properly adjusted, then we might get a better idea of what you're seeing (although most of us probably know exactly what you're seeing).
Watching the video a few more times, I also think that the LCD might be catching up during the action at various points. I'll have to frame advance in more areas to see if that is the case.
Yeah LCD technology has progressed to where it today isn't itself the main problem when people complain about how old games look. Not necessarily even one's own TV screen panel. Otherwise retro games in good emulators would look worse than they do.
Things like setup, original console's hardware design, and bad upscaler inside the TV, are factors as well.
Some games look hideous to begin with. CRT, LCD, or otherwise, no longer matters then. TVs don't fix a game's underlying creative direction.
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"Otherwise retro games in good emulators would look worse than they do."
I think you'll find that those good emulators aren't putting out the games at their original resolutions. Things like Contra on XBLA look as nice as they do since the emulator itself is handling the upscaling chores. The same with PC emulators where upscaling, deinterlacing where appropriate, and a wide range of things like various filtering options go a long ways towards making something like a NES game look nice on a monitor that would perform awful if it were to recieve the image unaltered (And quite possibly not even display it at all).
If you compare something like Super Mario Brothers running on the NES via composite and the Wii via component (And set to 480i which makes all the emulators put out their original resolutions beyond the N64 emulator that will output 480i), you're going to see some improvement thanks to component.
But if the scaling chip sucks with the NES original, it's also going to suck with the same resolution with the Wii emulator.
The Golden rule:
If it was made during the generation of CRT TVs only, then thats what the system will look best on. Only Ps2-onward will look good on hdtv's
People in charge of producing all these new hdtv's dont even consider the fact that people are not playing the most current console.
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There are so many 480i PS2 releases that I disagree with that. A Playstation 2 is best enjoyed on a nice CRT.
With the GameCube and Xbox, 480p was common enough that hooking one up to a HDTV isn't a bad idea if it has a halfway decent scaling chip. But making the scaling chip both deinterlace and upscale like it commonly would have to on the PS2 is a recipe for a poor picture and often noticeable input lag with the average HDTV.
I suppose it varies. PS2 is when console games started to look more like PC games. IIRC PC games at 480i is a bigger travesty than anything this topic could possibly mention.
Lum fan.
For Dreamcast, get a VGA box and hook it up that way, if your TV has a VGA port.
Ok update time. Got my new hdtv on layaway at my store and got the rest of the cables, etc needed. Picked up the phillips 4X1 HD Component Av Selector at work today ($10 on sale at my store!). So I'm gonna run a standard component for the output. The other stuff I'm gonna stick through will likely be my dvd player, ps2 and whatever my 2nd game system is at the time (n64 right now). Gonna do component for the ps2 and dvd player again, highest I can do I know is s-video with the n64, what am I looking at possibly for any image degradation by doing this? And tv does have a vga port too. ^^
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