Playstation All Stars Battle Royale
Since it hasn't been posted yet, decided I'd make mention of it. Hearing about it last year I thought it'd be a pretty garbage game. After seeing the first gameplay footage, it looks pretty amazing. Yes it's a Smash Bros clone, and now that that's out of the way, it looks damn good. According to the developer, there is going to be both first and third party characters.
http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/152
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1bQSw7FOUQ
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Does Sony ever come up with original ideas anymore?
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I hope they also clone Nintendo's idea of including characters from their earlier days to help make it appeal more to retro gamers. I liked that Parrapa was in there, but I would like to see Crash, Spyro, Jumping Flash ....
It would help if it contained characters that anybody gave a damn about. Too bad Sony lacks any actual "all-stars" for their All-Stars game.
Although seeing Parappa is cool. But he's about as relevant to modern gamers as Mr. Game & Watch. And the Patapon background was cute, but again, not "all-star" worthy.
Man, next thing you know Sony will come out with a controller like the Wiimote, and a handheld with a touch screen... oh, wait.
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Oh, so NOW Fat Princess decides she can jump and fight.
I have a feeling Cloud from Final Fantasy will be in this.
Yeah, but would Crash and Spyro be considered Sony All-Stars anymore? They have been on other platforms, all of Super Smash characters are legit Nintendo only. I saw this article and couldn't help, but giggle...it feels like Sony is pissed over the PSVita to 3DS sales and they had a meeting labeled "how can we piss off Nintendo"Originally Posted by Ro-J
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They might as well call it "Kratos, Sweet Tooth and Nathan Drake punch obscure characters into oblivion"
Where's the list of characters?
I don't know, was there much attention paid to the Twisted Metal franchise in recent years? Before the remake, there hadn't been one in seven years.
This game does look fun, though.
Uh, not to split hairs here, but Sonic and Snake aren't really Nintendo only.
Game looks okay. I'm more interested to see if it does do anything differently than Smash Bros. As of now, outside of aesthetics, I'm not really seeing how this game is unique.
The six characters included and their games are
Sweet Tooth(Twisted Metal)
Kratos(God of War)
Fat Princess
Sly Cooper
Colonel Radec(Killzone 2)
Parappa the Rapper
Games and a character from each that Sony could choose from. Probably missing some.
Cole Macgrath(Infamous)
Nathan Drake(Uncharted)
Jak(Jak and Daxter)
Ratchet(Ratchet and Clank)
Sackboy(Little Big Planet)
Wanderer(Shadow of the Colossus)
Dart(Legend of Dragoon)
Gabe Logan(Syphon Filter)
Sir Daniel(Medievil)
Chimera(Resistance)
Shu(Arc the Lad)
Toro the Sony Cat
Crash(Crash Bandicoot///Used to be first party.)
Spyro(Spyro the Dragon///Used to be first party.)
Maybe not you to, but to other people that like the characters, sure. How many characters are in Super Smash Bros Melee and Brawl do you think most people cared about before playing? I guarantee not too many. As a Super Smash Bros fan myself, I can say while I knew of many of the characters as I've played the games they've been in, I've never really cared about too many of the characters outside of the main characters in their specific franchise. Super Smash Bros while a great game and easily one of the best fighters out there is nothing more than a big advertisement. People play as characters they've never played as before, happen to like the characters, possibly purchase the games they're based off. Kid Icarus would have never came to be if it wasn't for Super Smash Bros Brawl, and not because the original Kid Icarus is any good, but solely based on their perception of the Brawl character. Earthbound would never be as expensive as it currently is if it wasn't for the original Smash Bros and all subsequent games.It would help if it contained characters that anybody gave a damn about. Too bad Sony lacks any actual "all-stars" for their All-Stars game.
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The developers have stated that they are going to have characters from third parties in the game as well. If you were to watch the video Michael, maybe this is what it could have been alluding to all along. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdWkKKSckNk
There are plenty of characters that while they're not exclusive to Sony consoles, are those that can easily be likened to Sony consoles despite the games themselves or future games being on other consoles.
A feature of the game is that each character is going to have a level one, two, or three super attack. The basis of the game is that there are no health bars and that doing damage to your opponents builds up the super attack gauge and that the super attacks kill the opponent in a single hit. So a player can't just hide in the corner, wait until there are others low on health, then go out there and clean up. If the player isn't remaining active and isn't hitting the opponent, then their special gauge won't fill up and they won't be able to kill an opponent.
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True , true - Sonic doesn't have a specific home anymore, but I guess he does appear more often on Nintendo now a days than anything else. Snake STILL makes no sense to me as to why he ended up in SSB
Sony does have a decent sized backlog to call into play, but It's not like Nintendo. When someone asks me to name Sony mascots or characters - I would have to stop and think. I mean yeah it has its share of platform exclusives like God of War, Syphon Filter - but unlike Kratos, who gives a damn about Gabe Logan?
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Fans of the Syphon Filter games.
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I'm not saying he doesn't have his fans, but Gabe Logan holds nothing on even the lowest Nintendo Mascot - I'm sorry to all the Sony Fanboys, but Sony just doesn't have the signature characters to make a fun brawl game like Nintendo has. Just my opinion of course.
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Remember, Metal Gear was on NES back in the 80's. I'm not sure if that's why he was in SSBB, but it counts. He was also in DreamMix TV World Fighters, which is kind of like SSB, only with Transformers.
By my count, Gabe has starred in 5 great games. I consider him much more worthy than some of the stupid crap characters in the Smash Bros. series. Ice Climbers anyone?
I didn't like anything past Syphon Filter 2, and Ice Climbers are classic
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It's not about what characters people like. I like Parappa, but that doesn't make him an "all-star". It's about characters that are well-recognized and significant to the industry. An icon and mascot of gaming.
With Smash Bros., I'd say people care about: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Fox, Pikachu and the other Pokemon, Samus, Sonic, Snake, and Wario. That's being generous to you because I'm leaving out the characters that are still quite significant but aren't nearly as huge, and I'm leaving out the alternate versions of characters too. All of these characters are incredibly well-known (and the characters themselves are popular, not just the games like with Killzone), in hugely successful series that continue to be made and continue to see huge success, and they've been historically a part of and important to the industry for a very long time. Sure, it's great to include some lesser-known characters like Pit and the Ice Climbers, but that's not the backbone of Smash Bros. Sony's game is the equivalent of nothing but Ice Climbers.
Also, something significant to take note of with Smash Bros. is that it's made in Japan, so it's going to be designed with a Japanese audience in mind. Some of the characters that were totally unknown in the West were included because they are as significant to the Japanese as the other characters I listed off. Just because Fire Emblem is niche in the US (and unknown when Roy and Marth first appeared in Smash Bros.) doesn't mean that Marth isn't right up there with Mario, Link, and company in Japan. Same deal (to a somewhat lesser extent) with characters like Ness and Lucas.
Anyway, if the people involved in this Sony project had a creative hair on their collective heads and actually came up with this concept many years ago, they would've been far better served by it. Most of the characters included or proposed haven't been relevant since the PS2, if not the PS1. This would've worked best as a late PS1 or early PS2 title. Then games like Crash, Spyro, Parappa, Medievil, Twisted Metal, etc. would've still been legitimately popular and well-known. Then they could've just got some good third party characters like Lara Croft and Leon or whoever from Resident Evil, and they'd have a half-decent line-up of somewhat mascot-worthy characters. Why they're making this game when they have essentially zero mascot characters is beyond me.
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O rly? Marth is up there with Mario and such, huh? Is that why every Fire Emblem game released since, although doing fairly poorly in the US, does much better than they did in Japan? The series had no fanbase in the west, but don't bullshit and say it did so well in Japan when it hasn't and even now it isn't.
In comparison, Arc the Lad actually did well in Japan. Didn't do well in the US though.
Really now? Twisted Metal has had both PSP releases and the recently released PS3 title, Sly Cooper 4 was recently announced and along with others was in a PS3 game, Infamous is this gen, Uncharted is this gen, Jak and Daxter was in a PS3 and a PSP game, Ratchet and Clank had several PSP and PS3 games, LBP is this gen, Syphon Filter had two PSP games, Medievil had a PSP game, and Resistance had a few PSP and PS3 games. Most of their character roster is either newer, or has had some somewhat newly released titles.Most of the characters included or proposed haven't been relevant since the PS2, if not the PS1.
When Smash Bros was released, how relevant was Samus with Super Metroid as the most previous release? Even now, Metroid hasn't been even remotely as popular as it has been since the SNES. When Melee was released, the last game Marth was in was on the SNES. I agree, these characters as well as others like Game and Watch, Ice Climbers, ROB, Pit, and Ness are all irrelevant based on the time period their Smash Bros title was released.
Maybe because it's based on 17 years of Playstation history and not based around being able to milk the same few characters for nearly 30 years.Why they're making this game when they have essentially zero mascot characters is beyond me.
Not being a mascot character doesn't make the character any less liked. If you're a fan of the series of games, no matter if the series is dropped off like Arc the Lad, if the character has only been in a single game like with Shadow of the Colossus, or if it's a brand new series with a character like Nathan Drake. If you like the character then you like the character. The game is for Playstation fans then and now. If you don't give a damn about the characters and want to focus on the fact that the game is a ripoff of Smash Bros, then it's quite obvious the game isn't for you, because no matter how great a game it is or not, it wouldn't get the chance to prove it.
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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know how well the recent Fire Emblem games have done, but that has little to do with Marth or with the impact of the franchise as a whole. The original Fire Emblem (starring Marth) is basically the preeminent strategy RPG. It's to strategy RPGs what the original Dragon Quest is to traditional RPGs. Monshou no Nazo, the third Fire Emblem and first on Super Famicom, contains both a remake of the original and a direct sequel, and it was immensely popular and sold incredible well. It held the #1 spot in Famitsu for an entire year, which was highly unusual. It had an anime based on it, a whole slew of other related products, and it was remade yet again for the DS. Of course Marth isn't AS popular as Mario and Link, but he's definitely well-known and loved by the Japanese and the Fire Emblem franchise has been very important to Nintendo. Arc the Lad doesn't remotely compare.
Being relevant isn't purely a matter of having a recent release. Twisted Metal, Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, Spyro, Crash, Parappa, Syphon Filter, Medievil, etc. etc. are all far, FAR past their high points as franchises OR mascots. No one cares about these series and characters anymore. Even if characters like Samus, Marth, and Ness hadn't seen a release in awhile, people very much still cared about the franchises and characters, everyone knew that the series would eventually continue, and Nintendo did indeed follow up. Characters like Pit, Ice Climbers, R.O.B., and Mr. Game & Watch are irrelevant to this conversation because they're essentially bonus content. They're extra lesser-known B-list characters for the super hardcore fans. Like I said, it's nice to add some more obscure characters, but the problem is that Sony's game is nothing but B-list characters.
Where on earth did I fixate on it being a Smash Bros. rip-off? My point is simply that Sony does not have the caliber of characters at this point in time for a concept like this. Maybe it'll be a good fighting game, I don't know, but I'll still scoff at the "All-Stars" title.Not being a mascot character doesn't make the character any less liked. If you're a fan of the series of games, no matter if the series is dropped off like Arc the Lad, if the character has only been in a single game like with Shadow of the Colossus, or if it's a brand new series with a character like Nathan Drake. If you like the character then you like the character. The game is for Playstation fans then and now. If you don't give a damn about the characters and want to focus on the fact that the game is a ripoff of Smash Bros, then it's quite obvious the game isn't for you, because no matter how great a game it is or not, it wouldn't get the chance to prove it.
If a character can't hit mascot status and be identifiable with the company or hardware, then, yeah, it does mean that it's less liked. For half of the modern games being mentioned in this topic, I couldn't even tell you anything about who stars in them. I could name the hero (or at least describe him) in plenty of games I haven't played because the characters are so entrenched in the minds of the gaming populace, but nearly every mainstream Sony game this gen is popular just for the game, not for the characters. If some people like the characters, okay, but that doesn't mean they're "All-Stars". For that, a character needs to be ubiquitous.
I have to say that I strongly agree with you. When I heard about this title initially, I was skeptical. When I saw the first screens a few days ago, I couldn't help but feel that it is a desperation move. I love most of the games where they are drawing these characters from. At the same time, I have zero interest in playing a fighting game with those characters.
I think you are being too hard on them. They have still been innovative this gen. For instance, they came up with Trophies completely by themselves and decided to launch their system with two sku's. I mean, it's not like they copied Microsoft for both of those ideas.
. I think they have characters that people care about but as you already pointed out it's just not on the same level as Nintendo.
Nicely done Kupo. But as I always say during these times, I think I'm the only one who cares about Syphon Filter. I have had my PS3's(all three) since early 2011 and theres been no new PS3 Syphon Filter to play on them. To me thats akin to Nintendo deciding not to make any new Metroid games during the N64 gen. Both series have/had multiple million sellers at the time but their companies decided not to release new versions(N64 for Metroid and PS3 for Syphon Filter).
After watching the videos I can say that I'm not too excited about this game. But if Gabe Logan is in it I will get it for that reason alone. Because nothing beats tasering people from across the map with reckless abandon.
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I don't think the roster being iconic enough is a legitimate criticism. The original brawl was the only one to be truly filled with iconic Nintendo characters the rest seem to be more of filling out the roster then anything else. Just because the characters aren't important to you doesn't mean that millions of people grew up with them on the Sony consoles feel the same way. Its a pretty weak argument that breaks down to "I don't like Sony IPs" more then anything else. I can make the exact same criticism of SSB without having anything legitimate problem of the game outside of the purely subjective "I don't like Nintendo IPs". Its a PlayStation themed crossover fighting game selling on the latest PlayStation console..I don't think its going to be a problem for the people they are aiming at.
Which transitions into another common criticism I see about the game, the fact that Playstation characters come from widely different worlds and would never fit in one game. I reminds me of how the professional racer you never see outside of a car, anthropomorphic mercenary fox in a space fighter, power suit genocidal bounty hunter, and boy-man-wolf elf (depending on game) all totally fit into the same fighting game universe easily with some using some sort of gun and other using crude homemade explosives. I find all of that just as ridiculous as Kratos fighting PaRappa but maybe I just completely ignorant about much different Nintendo is.
That being said this game initially looks just like SSB with Sony characters and I'm pretty surprised its taken this long considering how big of a success that series has been for Nintendo. I really like the idea behind the weird mash up stages with things like Hades having to fight off the creatures from Patapon. I don't really care how much of a carbon copy it is, if its a good game then its a good game and that's all that really matters.
I haven't been a fan on the Syphon Filter games in general but the memory of tasering people till they caught on fire was so sweet back then.After watching the videos I can say that I'm not too excited about this game. But if Gabe Logan is in it I will get it for that reason alone. Because nothing beats tasering people from across the map with reckless abandon.
You don't think that characters like Bowser, Ganondorf, Marth, Peach, Snake, Sonic, Wario, and Zelda are iconic? Because those are all additions made after the original Smash Bros. But of course the first game is going to have the best of the best characters and the sequels are going to expand the roster. That's only logical. Any other approach would be stupid.
It's really not a matter of liking Nintendo or Sony IPs. It's a matter of name recognition. Even if a gamer doesn't care for Nintendo games, I bet he could still name a large percentage of the characters in Smash Bros. If someone doesn't like Sony games, I highly doubt that gamer could hit the same percentage. Heck, even if a gamer DOES like Sony games, I bet a ton of gamers will be left scratching their heads because they don't recognize the character at all or they're wondering "Yeah, I remember playing the game that this dude was in, what the heck was his name again?"
I wasn't making the argument regarding the characters not fitting together, but I've been seeing talk of that too. It think it's a pretty fair argument, actually. Nintendo characters may come from vastly different games, but they're all pretty family-friendly. Even the villains included in Smash Bros. don't feel THAT sinister. They're like Disney villains. Threatening, but not enough to give kids nightmares. I think there is indeed a wider divide between cute, sweet Parappa and hyper-violent bloodthirsty characters like Sweet Tooth and Kratos. Although with the nature of a game like this, I don't think it matters that much. It's more a concern for Sony to worry about, so they don't alienate one potential audience or the other.
By the way, I didn't even know until learning about this game that the evil clown from Twisted Metal is named Sweet Tooth. That seems somehow relevant, haha.
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