Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I'm closing in on completing a complete cart-only retail-released SNES cartridge set, and I want to get my ducks in a row, since according to my below reasoning, I only have 27 games left to go to complete a retail-released US SNES set.
It seems that Exertainment MBR/Speed Racer waas never released to retail (An employee warehouse cleaning sale doesn't count as a retail release.) and that the 2 competition carts were only available to people who had memberships with Nintendo Power, so it seems that these 3 carts shouldn't count in a retail-released set. It does seem that Super 3D Noah's Ark, ISS, ISSD, and Super Copa were all released to retail, and so they should all be counted in a retail-released set. I do understand that Super 3D Noah's Ark (and Nighmare Busters when it's finally released) wouldn't count in a licensed SNES set, but they would (and will) count towards a retail-released set.
I also dount count the Super Bomberman Party Pack, because the game is exactly the same as the regular release, and I'm only going for a cart-only set. This Super Bomberman Party Pack would only count for someone trying to complete a complete boxed set, since the box is different.
So, If I take the DP SNES list of 722 and deduct the 2 competition carts, Exertainment MBR/Speed Racer, and Super Bomberman Party Pack and then add ISS, ISSD, and Super Copa, then I come to the number 721 being the total for a retail-released cart-only US SNES set. (When Nightmare Busters is finally released, then this number will of course go up by one.)
Any more thoughts? Or am I missing/forgetting anything?
Well, any thoughts about my above post?
MBR/SR was found in the wild pre garage sale. Multiple collectors had copies as well way before the stash came to light. It was out there to be had, and should remain included.
Nigtmare Busters will never be on the list as retail released as the SNES is no longer in production or sold at retail. Its aftermarket/homebrew/repro category
The 3 Mexico soccer games is really up to you. They have shaky information surrounding them to include in a US set, but they are NTSC, and could be included in a North/South American set.
I mean, I've read that SNES games were still being released in Japan and Mexico as late as 2000 and even later.
I'm not looking for "SNES games-which-were-only-retail-released-during-the-time-that-the-SNES-was-still-being-sold-at-retail".
For this question also, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just haven't been a "collector" that long with the "collector" mindset, and I want to get my thoughts in order concerning my collecting mentality.
I guess part of why the topic of Nightmare Busters causes such a stink is because it gives a hell of a lot of power to small operations that work outside the "system" so to speak. Not that Super Fighter Team would ever do this but imagine if they up and decided to sell one copy and only one copy. Now magically only one person in the world can ever complete a full SNES set years after the console was relevant? Even if that's the logical extension, it tends to sound real fishy to people.
Last edited by TonyTheTiger; 05-15-2012 at 11:49 AM.
That aside, what would it take? A video game store ordering 5 copies of Nightmare Busters from Super Fighter Team, and then selling them (retail) to the public on their shelves? I mean, over at Nintendo Age dot com, I've been reading with interest the NES games discussions about some of the unlicensed NES games which were rented in '95-'96 which was after the NES's normal market lifespan, I believe. It seems that only a couple of stores purchased those titles, and yet those games are considered by many to be part of the 'canon' of retail-released NES games. I mean, what if Super Fighter Team worked out a deal with a major national chain (i.e. Gamestop or somewhere similar) and that chain put 2 copies of the newly released Nightmare Busters in every store. Would that count as a retail release? I suppose that there should be a standard, but who has the authority to set it? What if Nintendo of America added Nightmare Busters to their official list of SNES games?
Your reasoning will make you the only one to consider Nightmare Busters as part of a complete set. Be prepared to be Internet-berated whenever you mention this.
If you're looking for back up to what DNG and I have said, we are the ones who built the SNES guide and specifically wrote it for the DP Advance book. We have done the research, a long ass time ago.
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Once again, portnoyd, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I'm simply looking for information and trying to wrap my mind around the 'set' of SNES games which I choose to collect. i.e. If I choose to collect all of the Licensed SNES games, then that list wouldn't include Super 3D Noah's Ark, and so on and so forth. At this time I'm simply trying to choose a 'set' to collect, and my pocketbook would like to not have to pay for the 3 MACs cartridges, the 2 competition cartridges, and/or the MBR/SR cartridge (basically I don't want to pay more than $100 for any one single cartridge if I can help it) while the completionist side of me says that if I choose to collect a 'set', then I'd better be willing to pay for it.
So, portnoyd, thank you again for your interest enough to post a partial answer in the first part of your reply, but no thank you to the second part. I eagerly await your (or anyone's) informative response to my earlier questions.
Last edited by Bardoly; 05-15-2012 at 05:47 PM.
There's a difference between somebody who wants a full set vs. somebody who wants everything that can technically function on a particular console. You've got guys who collect service carts, guys who collect variants, guys who collect weird Chinese bootlegs, and guys who collect protos (something that has no endgame at all). You probably won't be able to find somebody who can offer an airtight explanation why random homebrew/unlicensed/whatever from 1994 is considered more worthy of inclusion on Person X's list vs. the exact same thing set for release in 2013. The only real answer is that at some point the history book closes and the pages are laminated.
And from a more practical standpoint, people care more about old stuff because it's from a particular era and perhaps has some story behind it and therefore are willing to pay for it. Plus, few people have much interest participating in a perpetual game of moving the goalposts. Does it always make sense? Well, maybe not. But this stuff isn't exactly hard science.
Even if the ludicrous proposition that Nintendo sticks the Nintendo Seal of Quality on Nightmare Busters were to come to fruition, there'd still probably be ample reason and arguments abound to consider it too late.
Last edited by TonyTheTiger; 05-15-2012 at 06:37 PM.
As stated in the book Game Over Nintendo always said any company can make Nintendo games.
So one should collect every released SNES game, licenced or not, foreign or not, be iit from a shop or mail order.
Last edited by tom; 05-19-2012 at 05:52 AM.
Oh and within the official console lifetime set by the company eg for the VCS it's from 1977 to 1992
I just started a new thread here:
which asks the question, "Why isn't International Superstar Soccer Deluxe in the US releases section?" because I'm still wanting to clarify for myself which 'complete set' that I want to be working on collecting.