Shiren is most likely gonna end up being an acceptionally rare game.

[Zoltor]

I thought I would just let people here know.

No one knows what the problem is exactly, other then It's very clear It's not ATLUS's fault.


Well there are a bunch of things that will add to the rarity(it being published by ATLUS for one), but there seems to be some wierd shipping issues(nation wide) as well, also no retail stores seem to have them in stock.

On top of that, from the getgo GS was being a ass again(not allowing pre-orders, and for all we know, may not have even ordered any after release. Since 90% of the game stores in the US are owned by GS, they are the likely cuase of this problem, but it could very well be a combonation of things).

As far as I know, they can only be special ordered online(supposedly there is a small chain of stores that did get them in, but I never even heard of them before, so I can't say for certain. The store is Frys Electronics, and the locations where the game has been spotted are: WA, CA, and TX).

Both Amazon.com, and Best Buy's websites have it listed, so you pretty much have to get it from them.

[ScourDX]

Atlus game used to be rare, but lately I don't see it as much as before. Some of their games do end up in bargain bin.

[Zoltor]

Atlus game used to be rare, but lately I don't see it as much as before. Some of their games do end up in bargain bin.

I agree, basically all the post PS2, and DS/PSP games aren't worth much or are even that rare.

However this game is in a very different situastion, then all the other new(er) ATLUS games, and unles the situation changes, this is gonna be an insanely rare game.

[Zap!]

Do you mean Shiren The Wanderer for the Wii? Amazon has a February 13 list date.

[G-Boobie]

You've got a serious boner for this game, don't you Zoltor?

[TheDomesticInstitution]

I'm not sure I except ALUS logic.

[Zoltor]

Do you mean Shiren The Wanderer for the Wii? Amazon has a February 13 list date.

Well, Amazon has been clearly running like shit lately, so this is yet another thing they got wrong, since the release date is the "9th". If they're gonna accept pre-orders, they are resoposible to order them for release, not 3 days after release.

Well this explains the shipping issues people are having(the people who run amazon are incompetent).

However with that being said, doesn't change the fact actual r/l stores aren't ordering any(It's believeable that Best Buy will at some point get a few copies to put on a shelf, but most likely only a few, like how they only shelve very few box sets of DvDs).

Needless to say, this is probally gonna be more or less, a online order only item only, unless you get very lucky, which inturn will add to this game's rarity.

[PapaStu]

Just because they claim release on the 9th doesn't mean that thats when it hits. That just means when its out of the warehouse. Smaller games, from smaller companies get bent to cheaper shipping schedules and if that means some place like Amazon ships it out on the 13th then so be it. Are there going to be gobs of sale losses because its hitting 4 days after Atlus's called street date? I highly doubt it. Besides, if you care SO much, then order it from Atlus directly and never worry about this type of thing again... except when they get something held at customs (like with the last Harvest Moon games for Natsume) or the date slides to the end of the week from the beginning.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I don't understand this... You produce 300,000 units of X. How does where and how X is sold make it more common or scarce? There was always 300,000 units either way! Maybe this is this where 'ALUS' logic comes in and takes over for normal logic?

[hellfire]

try finding a sealed copy of this

[Aussie2B]

I don't understand this... You produce 300,000 units of X. How does where and how X is sold make it more common or scarce? There was always 300,000 units either way! Maybe this is this where 'ALUS' logic comes in and takes over for normal logic?

Sales do matter. If a retailer has a ton of unsold stock, they can send it back to the manufacturer and it may be destroyed.

But as long as we can all accept how rare it'll be, everything's fine. :P

[Bojay1997]

Well, Amazon has been clearly running like shit lately, so this is yet another thing they got wrong, since the release date is the "9th". If they're gonna accept pre-orders, they are resoposible to order them for release, not 3 days after release.

Well this explains the shipping issues people are having(the people who run amazon are incompetent).

However with that being said, doesn't change the fact actual r/l stores aren't ordering any(It's believeable that Best Buy will at some point get a few copies to put on a shelf, but most likely only a few, like how they only shelve very few box sets of DvDs).

Needless to say, this is probally gonna be more or less, a online order only item only, unless you get very lucky, which inturn will add to this game's rarity.

Can you please stop spreading lies and misinformation? You are partially correct in that some retailers did not get their orders of Shiren on Tuesday. Having said that, Amazon, Fry's, Best Buy on-line and many other on-line sellers have received their copies. Nothing Atlus has released in the last two years is rare and with a few minor exceptions, every one of their games has only been sold by Fry's, Gamestop and independent game shops at brick and mortar retail. Despite this fact, copies of Dark Spire and most of their other cardboard boxed DS games have declined in price and in value from MSRP. Atlus does not do limited releases of anything anymore and there is zero evidence that this game will be any different. If anything, I expect this game to plummet in value as demand will likely be pretty limited given the poor sales of the Shiren DS game. If you enjoy the game or games of this type, please feel free to buy it. Buying it because it might be rare, however, is pure stupidity.

[Bojay1997]

Sales do matter. If a retailer has a ton of unsold stock, they can send it back to the manufacturer and it may be destroyed.

But as long as we can all accept how rare it'll be, everything's fine. :P

I don't know of any distributor that destroys game stock anymore. It typically gets resold to a liquidator and ends up in front of the store discount shelves and bins at places like Kmart and Best Buy.

[old_skoolin_jim]

I agree, Atlus games aren't rare anymore. Too many fanboys since the days of the original Harvest Moon, Crusader of Centy and Rockin' Kats, which actually ARE rare. People started buying RPGs, and Atlus has been pushing substantially more copies out since the 90's.

[portnoyd]

Well, Amazon has been clearly running like shit lately, so this is yet another thing they got wrong, since the release date is the "9th". If they're gonna accept pre-orders, they are resoposible to order them for release, not 3 days after release.

Well this explains the shipping issues people are having(the people who run amazon are incompetent).

However with that being said, doesn't change the fact actual r/l stores aren't ordering any(It's believeable that Best Buy will at some point get a few copies to put on a shelf, but most likely only a few, like how they only shelve very few box sets of DvDs).

Needless to say, this is probally gonna be more or less, a online order only item only, unless you get very lucky, which inturn will add to this game's rarity.

Your logic is incredibly flawed and naive. You make assumptions with no basis in fact. See also: bojay1997's post for why.

Amazon is ran so fucking smoothly, you are insane to think otherwise.

Such hate in you. You have a problem with everything.

And holy shit, I didn't realize this is Mystery Dungeon. Who the fuck cares? If it's even half as available as the DS title, you'll still be able to find it any store in America in the bargain bin in 2 months.

[Famidrive-16]

i bet some obscure shovelware is gonna be rarer than this game.

[Snapple]

Look at Bojay, laying the smack down.

There's too much talk in general about future rarities. I used to try and make similar predictions, and it's not always so easy. If there is a future rarity, it's not going to be by a popular company like Atlus. Popular in a cult following kind of way at least.

[Kyle15]

Look at Bojay, laying the smack down.

There's too much talk in general about future rarities. I used to try and make similar predictions, and it's not always so easy. If there is a future rarity, it's not going to be by a popular company like Atlus. Popular in a cult following kind of way at least.

Exactly. Determining rarities is pretty hit-or-miss with more recent games. Here's a little something everyone should keep in mind: just because you're having a hard time locating something at retail doesn't automatically give it "rare" status. Raiden 3 is a good example, but it may not be very common down the line. Uncommon maybe, but not rare.

[Zap!]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the days of $10,000 games are over. What I mean is that I highly doubt that any of this (or last's) generation's games will ever be worth a lot of money. With the internet and collectors and all, every game that's "limited" will be bought by collectors, and kept mint or even sealed. No way a "Stadium Events" slips by the radar these days.

[Zoltor]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the days of $10,000 games are over. What I mean is that I highly doubt that any of this (or last's) generation's games will ever be worth a lot of money. With the internet and collectors and all, every game that's "limited" will be bought by collectors, and kept mint or even sealed. No way a "Stadium Events" slips by the radar these days.

I see what you're saying, and I kind've agree on the value aspect(after all look at MTG cards, any card made later then 1995 can't be worth more then $20, basically same thing with video games, but with a later date as the cutoff point).

However since when does rarity, and value coincide with each other, I was just hinting at the rarity, that's all, not the value parse.

PS. It has just been confirmed, GS wont be ordering any at all, so for whoever wants a copy(to play or otherwise), the only sure way is online(Amazon/Best buy, and such).

[PapaStu]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the days of $10,000 games are over. What I mean is that I highly doubt that any of this (or last's) generation's games will ever be worth a lot of money. With the internet and collectors and all, every game that's "limited" will be bought by collectors, and kept mint or even sealed. No way a "Stadium Events" slips by the radar these days.

There will be some versions that are just going to be hard to get. MGS3: LE is a great example. There are others that are as produced as the retail version (Halo 3 Legendary). Stadium Events was a game that was released and pulled, unless we stumble into something that has the same kind of release cycle we'll never know. So far this generation (or last (PS2/XB/GC), or the one before that (DC/PS/N64) hasn't had this experience.

[Kitsune Sniper]

I'm sorry, but it's EXCEPTIONALLY

AGH.

[kupomogli]

Yeah. This game isn't going to be rare.

Final Fantasy Fables Chocobo's Dungeon for the Wii sold like crap and it's a Squaresoft title. This is from a popular publisher and everyone loves Chocobos. Atlus has the fans that know the kinds of games they release and that's it, it's not close to as big as the Square Enix fanbase then there's Shiren which had a previous game that no one bought.

It really boils down to if people want the game. If Atlus released the game on a limited printing and people actually wanted the game, then yeah it'd probably be rare, but then Atlus would probably reprint the game. This isn't the case. Something like the Demon's Souls Deluxe Edition which Demon's Souls sold better than Atlus predicted but the Deluxe Edition was a limited print run, while they're still selling the standard edition. The Deluxe Edition is rare, while the standard edition won't be later on in the future(as it's not right now either just 59.99.)

[Zap!]

I see what you're saying, and I kind've agree on the value aspect(after all look at MTG cards, any card made later then 1995 can't be worth more then $20, basically same thing with video games, but with a later date as the cutoff point).

However since when does rarity, and value coincide with each other, I was just hinting at the rarity, that's all, not the value parse.

PS. It has just been confirmed, GS wont be ordering any at all, so for whoever wants a copy(to play or otherwise), the only sure way is online(Amazon/Best buy, and such).

Yeah, it's kind of like comic books and baseball cards. Growing up in the 80's, I heard horror stories from my dad saying how his mom threw away all his Joe DiMaggio cards, etc. In fact, every 80's kid heard that story, so we kept everything, decreasing the value.

Rarity and value due coincide with each other a lot. If a game has only 500 copies made, it's going to be worth money, period. However, you have a point. An Entex Adventurevision is not half as rare as it's led to be. I have many things rarer, yet that system is worth $1,000+ because everyone wants one.

[TonyTheTiger]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the days of $10,000 games are over. What I mean is that I highly doubt that any of this (or last's) generation's games will ever be worth a lot of money. With the internet and collectors and all, every game that's "limited" will be bought by collectors, and kept mint or even sealed. No way a "Stadium Events" slips by the radar these days.

Yeah, and even then, Stadium Events was an anomaly. That kind of thing wasn't even common back then. So holding out for lightning to strike twice is probably time better spent elsewhere. It could happen, sure. But it's so unlikely that it's not even worth thinking about. Mostly because it's a lose/lose situation for most people.

Situation A: You live day by day until you notice that the one random game you passed by and thought nothing of is now worth $10,000. You kick yourself over and over for passing it up as if you were even remotely capable of predicting something like that. It's self flagellation for nothing.

Situation B: You go out of your way to buy games that might become rare for fear that you'll end up in Situation A. Eventually you realize the money you spent on worthless games totals equal to or more than the cost of the anomaly should it have actually manifested, which it probably never did. So you pretty much made no profit whatsoever.

Since it's impossible to predict this stuff, the only real winners are the people who just by dumb luck end up obtaining a copy before the situation comes to light. It's effectively equivalent to winning the lottery. For every $30-$60 game you buy with the hope that it becomes both rare and valuable, you might as well buy $30-$60 worth of lottery numbers. Your odds with the lottery might actually be better. And the payout will probably be better, too.

There will be some versions that are just going to be hard to get. MGS3: LE is a great example. There are others that are as produced as the retail version (Halo 3 Legendary). Stadium Events was a game that was released and pulled, unless we stumble into something that has the same kind of release cycle we'll never know. So far this generation (or last (PS2/XB/GC), or the one before that (DC/PS/N64) hasn't had this experience.

Exactly. The days that a game turns out to be rare merely by virtue of a stupidly small print run are probably over. I'm not even sure a publisher today would even bother printing fewer than 50,000 copies. The market is saturated and there are minimum print runs to abide by. And considering what it costs to develop and distribute a game, even a budget one, printing fewer than 50,000 is probably not even sound business.

I think that if we do end up seeing genuinely rare games it'll have to be due to some unforeseeable quirk. Either a massive recall (which didn't do much for Kakuto Chojin), a weird mid-print cancellation (NCAA College Basketball 2k3), or some other random occurrence.

I'll bet that the things that will turn out to be genuinely rare and worth solid dough will be things that you can't obtain without committing a crime. The strictly controlled Pokemon DS cards used to distribute special Pokemon at Toys 'R' Us events, for instance. But I doubt there are many collectors out there willing to hold up a toy store. Once it's out there and trades hands among collectors, then it's out there. But somebody with big balls, small brains, and questionable ethics has to be the one to start that ball rolling.