Japanese Top Games of All Time List?

[backguard]

Does anyone have access to a list by Japanese reviewers of the "top games of all time". Something like the top 200 Game Informer did a couple months ago?

I think it would be pretty interesting to see what the Japanese think are the best games ever. My guess is Halo isn't even on there.

[cityside75]

I found this list from Famitsu. It's a few years old I believe:

Famitsu All Time Top 100
1. Final Fantasy X (2001)
2. Final Fantasy VII (1997)
3. Dragon Quest III (1988)
4. Dragon Quest VIII (2004)
5. Machi (1998)
6. Final Fantasy IV (1991)
7. Tactics Ogre (1995)
8. Final Fantasy III (1990)
9. Dragon Quest VII (2000)
10. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)

11. Dragon Quest V (1992)
12. Far East of Eden 2 (1992)
13. Sakura Taisen (1996)
14. Dragon Quest IV (1990)
15. Final Fantasy V (1992)
16. Xenogears (1998)
17. Dragon Quest II (1987)
18. Sakura Taisen III (2002)
19. Kingdom Hearts (2002)
20. Street Fighter II (1992)

21. Super Mario Bros. (1985)
22. Final Fantasy VIII (1999)
23. Toki Meki Memorial (1995)
24. Final Fantasy IX (2000)
25. Final Fantasy VI (1994)
26. Metal Gear Solid 3 (2004)
27. Valkyrie Profile (1999)
28. Chrono Trigger (1995)
29. Kingdom Hearts II (2005)
30. Dragon Quest (1986)

31. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (1991)
32. Final Fantasy X-2 (2003)
33. Resident Evil (1996)
34. Dragon Quest VI (1995)
35. F-Zero (1990)
36. Sakura Taisen II (1998)
37. Mother 2 (1994)
38. Mother (1989)
39. Virtua Fighter (1994)
40. Dragon Quest V (2004, PS2 Remake)

41. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (2002)
42. Metal Gear Solid 2 (2001)
43. Animal Crossing DS (2005)
44. Tales of the Abyss (2005)
45. Ogre Battle (1993)
46. Legend of Zelda (1986)
47. Virtua Fighter 2 (1995)
48. Mysterious Dungeon 2 (1995)
49. Sonic the Hedgehog (1991)
50. Metal Gear Solid (1998)

51. Pokemon Red and Green (1996)
52. Y's I and II (1989)
53. Romancing Saga (1992)
54. Toki Meki Memorial (1994, PC Engine)
55. Super Robot Taisen Alpha (2000)
56. Resident Evil 2 (1998)
57. Tales of Eternia (2000)
58. Digital Devil Story Megami Tensei II (1990)
59. Shin Megami Tensei (1992)
60. Final Fantasy II (1988)

61. Super Mario World (1990)
62. To Heart II (2004)
63. Final Fantasy (1987)
64. Puyo Puyo (1992)
65. Family Stadium Pro Baseball (1986)
66. Wizardry (1987)
67. Hokkaido Murder Mystery (1987)
68. Fire Emblem (1994)
69. Super Mario Kart (1992)
70. Dynasty Warriors 4 (2003)

71. Monster Hunter (2004)
72. Best Play Pro Baseball (1988)
73. Grandia (1997)
74. Resident Evil 4 (2005, GameCube)
75. Gran Turismo 4 (2004)
76. GTA: Vice City (2004)
77. Super Monaco GP (1990)
78. Torneko Mysterious Dungeon (1993)
79. Tales of Destiny (1997)
80. Street Fighter II Turbo (1993)

81. Dynasty Warriors III (2001)
82. Final Fight (1990)
83. Monster Hunter Portable (2005)
84. Final Fantasy Tactics (1997)
85. Monster Hunter G (2005)
86. Mysterious Dungeon 2 (2000)
87. Kung Fu (1985)
88. Toki Meki Memorial (1996, Saturn)
89. Tales of Destiny II (2002)
90. Kamaitachi No Yoru (1994)

91. Sakura Taisen IV (2002)
92. Tales of Rebirth (2004)
93. Sim City (1991)
94. Saga 2 (1990)
95. Pro Baseball Family Stadium (1987)
96. Tetris (1989)
97. Secret of Mana (1993)
98. Gradius (1986)
99. Super Mario Bros. 3 (1988)
100. Resident Evil 4 (2005, PS2)

No Halo (or any other FPS that I saw), but every Final Fantasy iteration short of Chocobo Racing made the list.

[Smashed Brother]

They sure love their RPG's! Anyways, glad to see that Valkyrie Profile gets the love that it deserves!

[backguard]

Wow - that is like every single RPG ever made! Thanks for sharing the list.

[kupomogli]

This list is pretty bad if you ask me.

The original Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy 3 even on the list. FF3 actually making top 10 along with FF10 making number one?

Tactics Ogre belongs in the top 10, but other than that, the list actually gets better than lower into it you go. The games higher in the list are fairly good, but definitely don't deserve to be up there.

Also

40. Dragon Quest V (2004, PS2 Remake)
11. Dragon Quest V (1992)

48. Mysterious Dungeon 2 (1995)
86. Mysterious Dungeon 2 (2000)

71. Monster Hunter (2004)
83. Monster Hunter Portable (2005)
85. Monster Hunter G (2005)

Dragon Quest 5 for PS2 and for SNES. They're the exact same game yet the difference in ranking is so far apart. It's weird, but why didn't they add Dragon Quest 3 for either the SNES, GBC, or both as they're definitely better than the NES version by far. Or the PSX version of Dragon Quest 4. Again, if you've played both games, you'll realize the games are exactly the same with mainly graphical differences.

Mysterious Dungeon 2 and Mysterious Dungeon 2. Weird. I'm sure that the first one is Shiren the Wanderer because Mysterious Dungeon is the games name and it was released on SNES. Since I couldn't think of any other Mysterious Dungeon that came out in 2000, I looked around. Found a release for N64. I assume this is the exact same release just better graphics but as I haven't played it I could be wrong.

Okay, so then the last one. We'll forget about the fact that Monster Hunter G is technically the exact same as Monster Hunter and Monster Hunter Portable with slight differences. But what about the ones I just mentioned? Monster Hunter and Monster Hunter Portable? These games aren't just the same with minor differences. They're the exact same game except on a different system.

I honestly think those retards in Famitsu just took a bunch of popular series and threw them all in there and then added some truly great games. Everyone knows Famitsu is a company that works by being paid off, it's obviously they got some cash for most of those games on the list. Final Fantasy 3 would definitely never made it on there and if this was a few years ago then it was probably thrown up there in order to hype the release of Final Fantasy 3 for the DS over in Japan. Same with Final Fantasy 2 for the PSP which otherwise would have never even came close. I like the game, but it's definitely nowhere near the top 100 if you're realistically looking at what should be up there.

Here's something else.

Everyone knows how crappy Xenosaga 2 is. I don't suppose you know what score it received in Famitsu? 34/40. Gold. For that piece of crap? How about Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy 7? This is one which the review was delayed until after the games release until it received a 34/40 and then you happened to hear people rant about how the Japanese hated it. I actually liked Dirge of Cerberus, but it's altogether got some fairly bad reception. The US version actually has a better version as well and it still got bad reception over here.

But yeah. Regardless if you remember the Dirge of Cerberus thing. Xenosaga 2 is just plain crap and where does a gold award come from for that game?

[Kid Fenris]

I honestly think those retards in Famitsu just took a bunch of popular series and threw them all in there and then added some truly great games. Everyone knows Famitsu is a company that works by being paid off, it's obviously they got some cash for most of those games on the list.

The list came from a reader poll conducted by Famitsu, you complete twit. It wasn't chosen by the magazine itself.

[kupomogli]

Oh. Okay then.

Well. My other few comments are still valid. We have two remakes in the list and two other games that are the exact same title but on different systems. Famitsu should have atleast compiled those games into a single title instead allowing for three more to be put on the list.

Famitsu is still ran by payoffs as well. Regardless that the list has nothing to do with them.

[Aussie2B]

Mysterious Dungeon 2 and Mysterious Dungeon 2. Weird. I'm sure that the first one is Shiren the Wanderer because Mysterious Dungeon is the games name and it was released on SNES. Since I couldn't think of any other Mysterious Dungeon that came out in 2000, I looked around. Found a release for N64. I assume this is the exact same release just better graphics but as I haven't played it I could be wrong.

No, those are entirely different games. The list is screwy, though. Shiren the Wanderer is Mysterious Dungeon 2, but the N64 game is Shiren the Wanderer 2. Note the difference. It's like how Wario Land is Super Mario Land 3, but then Wario Land itself has a Wario Land 2 sequel.

I find it amusing looking at these lists. Americans may think the Japanese are whacked out and ask "Where's Halo?", but if a Japanese person looked at an American list, they'd be just as shocked by the lack of stuff like Tactics Ogre or Valkyrie Profile.

I can definitely relate to the tastes of the Japanese more so than Americans, but even with my undying love for RPGs, I still wouldn't make my own personal list quite so dominated by them. For one, I think the only Final Fantasy I've played that I'd put on a top 100 would be Final Fantasy Tactics.

[kupomogli]

For one, I think the only Final Fantasy I've played that I'd put on a top 100 would be Final Fantasy Tactics.

You've never played Final Fantasy 7? /sarcasm.

I don't think FF7 belongs there. Just making a joke what you might here from one of those people which FF7 was the first RPG they've played, making it the best. It's a good game, just really overrated.

I would put FF6, 5, and Tactics on a top 100 list. That's a definite. Maybe FF1. I'll one day make a top 100 of which I think are the best.

[Ravenswood]

Just so I get this right, exactly how far does a list have to differ from your own individual opinions and beliefs before it becomes "bad"?

[Kitsune Sniper]

I'd like to know how many Famitsu readers voted on that list.