No, those are not Microsoft cables, and will not give you the resolution menu you need.
That cable will only deliver 480i. While that will reduce the need for NTSC decoding and comb filters, it still leaves the deinterlacer (the worst of the process), and upscaling..
TVs should really have an option to NOT deinterlace. Just update half the lines every frame. Is there some reason that is not possible? That would get rid of most of the lag, I think. This doesn't actually address the problem, I'm just contemplating.
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If you did that, it would be 30fps and only 240 lines of resolutions.Originally Posted by SkiDragon
TVs with deinterlaces interpolate the fields to give you 60fps and full 480i res (when static images)..
My TV does Per-pixel adaptive deinterlacing, and is only ONE "frame" behind.
Can't a TV assemble a frame with black pixels in every odd/even line, and the picture's pixels in every even/odd line, and then display the frame? This is the fastest way I can think of without each line refreshing at a different time, like a normal CRT.
Lag is the reason I have not yet bought an HDTV.
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No, because it's an LCD, it doesn't produce scanlines. Besides, even a CRT HDTV has scanlines, but it's very small. Adding artificial scanlines would look like ass.
Besides, it's practical to just deinterlace, it looks far better than trying to emulate 480i interlacing as you suggest.
Lag on an HDTV is non-existant if you match up to the native res. For LCD's this is usually 720p, even if not exact, as no deinterlacing is needed, only scaling, and show image...
Well it's a good thing I haven't opened them yet. Tomorrow I'll go back to get the official used ones. I really didn't want to get the HD pack ones because they are huge, clunky and cumbersome looking. But I know they have those used. I'll look for the other ones. Do you have a picture of the newer/later model?
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Well, you did get an HDTV, not getting the HD cables is, no offense, stupid.(i say that jokingly)
But still, you should get the HD cables. IF the problem persists, there's nothing I can do. But set it for 480p and 720p. Do not select 1080i if the LCD is natively 720p. Even though it can take in 1080i, it's useless and won't be seen, and would also require deinterlacing, and that's far more bandwidth than 480i.
It would be stupid...if I actually had something to plug the cables into. My cable box is connected to my tv thru a normal cable wire. But thats because I had a normal standard def tv before. I need to call them about upgrading. As for all my systems, some can take component cables and thats what I'm upgrading now. But for now the cables will run from my xbox to my system selector. If that doesn't work I'll run it directly into the tv.Well, you did get an HDTV, not getting the HD cables is, no offense, stupid.
But still, you should get the HD cables. IF the problem persists, there's nothing I can do. But set it for 480p and 720p. Do not select 1080i if the LCD is natively 720p. Even though it can take in 1080i, it's useless and won't be seen, and would also require deinterlacing, and that's far more bandwidth than 480i.
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Do you have a pic of your xbox component cables? I want to see what the newer/later model looks like.
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Um, they are strapped down...
But here's what they look like from web searching: http://media.teamxbox.com/faq/hd_av.jpg
That's one type.. The other type is a single cable from MS...
http://www.buynshop.com/images/products/505-07003.gif
(look closely at the connector style...)
I can get a closeup pic of the ends on mine (the second small pic), if you want me too..
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I can't see the first image because I'm not a member of that web site. But the second image will do.
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I second that....minus the joking.Well, you did get an HDTV, not getting the HD cables is, no offense, stupid.
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That's totally weird, I'm not a member there either and didn't need to. Lets just say it's a black box.. that's a breakout box from Microsoft called the "HD Pack".
Do you need my pic of the second cable?
I'm going to try and find one tomorrow. I know I can get the bulky one but I'm hoping to find the other one.
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Ok, I got the official cable and it works like a charm. My online gaming is back to normal. Thanks again evildragon for all your help.
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Glad ditching NTSC worked good.
Which type did you get? Breakout box model, or straight cable?
Heh, only thing now is you gotta remember those "5" wires now(white/red for audio, and red/green/blue for picture)
I got the one without the big ass box. They had both used but I got the less bulky one. And now I can finally kill people on time.Glad ditching NTSC worked good.
Which type did you get? Breakout box model, or straight cable?
Heh, only thing now is you gotta remember those "5" wires now
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Haha, and you made sure to check off 480p and 720p, but not 1080i, correct?
Actually I only checked off 480p, but I'll go back and check of 720p as well. But I think Soul Calibur 2 is my only 720p game anyway.
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Ok. Well, don't forget, 480p isn't an HDTV mode, it's an EDTV mode.
If a game supports 720p, the native res of your panel, it will then be in HDTV only as long as you checked it off...
I know what SDTV and HDTV stand for. Whats the "E" in EDTV stand for?
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Enhanced. It was before HDTV, but after SDTV.
I see.
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I know you said "in my tests" but those component cables WILL work for an HDTV, and will output in 480p. I know, because I just bought them 3 weeks ago for our new 1080p set and a second XBOX in the house. I went and activated all the menu options for 480p, 720p, 1080i... and played several games just fine. In fact in the top corner of the television- it shows the signal is in 480p. The only problem with these cables, is that the XBOX connector doesn't have an optical out (only the 360 connector does)- which isn't good if you plan on hooking it up to a digital surround system. I also have another 1080i set in the house with a 2nd XBOX and the official XBOX component cables (non-breakout box). I know the problem has been resolved- but just wanted to add my experience with those cables.
Edit: I just tested a 720p (Hulk Ultimate Destruction) game on the set with the gamestop cables (a 1080p TV)... and in the top corner of the screen I got 720p... The game played just fine in 720p with those cables. Also you should check all the HDTV resolution boxes 1080 720 and 480p, if you want to experience a game at a higher resolution... because even if the TV doesn't display in that resolution most sets will will support it. Now... I don't know if that causes a problem in online gaming, but I don't think it would. You could always test it to be sure. Every now and then I have gotten a game, that would not work correctly with my console set to anything but 480i... they may have been bad games... so if you get a game that won't play (this has been on my 1080i set with the official XBOX cables)... try turning off all the settings but 480i and it should work- but you may never have to do this.
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The last time I got Component cables that weren't official, it wouldn't trigger the HD mode. It would just be Component, but 480i only...
Perhaps they finally fixed that..
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