Nintendo DS Lite RELEASED!

[THATinkjar]

Despite Nintendo denying just this week that they had any plans to unveil a redesign of the Nintendo DS, their Japanese website yesterday unveiled with little fanfare the following, dubbed Nintendo DS Lite. It is due for release in March, in Japan, but no word of a release as yet in other territories.

The DS Lite comes in at 133mm wide, 73.9mm high and 21.5mm deep. That trims - on average - roughly 10mm from each dimension. GamesIndustry.biz says this represents a 42% reduction in size. Not bad.


"The weight of the console has also been reduced, from 275g in the original model down to 215g in the new DS Lite, representing a drop of almost 21 per cent. Despite the smaller size of the unit, it's not thought that the screens themselves have dropped in size, although Nintendo doesn't appear to have made any official comment on this.

I wouldn't imagine that a drop in screen size - especially for the touch-screen - would be possible. Unless the stylus and screen became more accurate in the process.

There will also be an adjustable brightness option, with four possible levels of brightness, which is just awesome. In comparison to the PSP, the DS feels pretty dark. The power button has seemingly disappeared from the front of the DS (where, exactly, it has been hidden is unknown), while the microphone has moved to the hinge between the two screens.

The image below is supposedly a mock-up...

http://gamesindustry.biz/images/DSLite_Large.jpg

Here (http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=14285) is the link to the story on GamesIndustry.biz.

My impressions? Its smaller size and added brightness options (assuming one level of brightness outdoes the current brightness of the DS) will be enough to make me buy. But I hope they don't launch with silver again.

[Roi]

Hooray! More cramp in my hands!

[Ed Oscuro]

Hooray! More cramp in my hands!
Yeah really LOL

Well, I dunno, I don't see any mention of a smaller screen, which is certainly good.

[Nez]

Finally exactly what I've been waiting for. Now to wiat for it to be released.

[THATinkjar]

Hooray! More cramp in my hands!
Yeah really LOL

Well, I dunno, I don't see any mention of a smaller screen, which is certainly good.

Well, for me, the fact that it is lighter will go a long way to reduce cramp after long play sessions.

[Zubiac666]

actualy the screens are more brighter AND sharper than the old ones.

I played it this morning for the first time after hearing about it officially a few days ago - the picture really doesn't do it justice, the screens are as bright as an AGT Game Boy (eg. even brighter and sharper than a PSP) - it feels much nicer in your hand - and most of all it looks absolutely BEAUTIFUL - it looks sexier than a PSP, and it's significantly smaller than a current DS. The power switch is now a flick-switch on the side and the stylus goes in sideways rather than in the top. Seen two colours so far including the white. White is best. I love my company!!!!
source (http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=2661901&postcount=234)

boah...I have to get one these babies. yummie
A black one would look awesome and with the sharper and brighter screens videos-watching will be great.
rockin'

[THATinkjar]

actualy the screens are more brighter AND sharper than the old ones.

I played it this morning for the first time after hearing about it officially a few days ago - the picture really doesn't do it justice, the screens are as bright as an AGT Game Boy (eg. even brighter and sharper than a PSP) - it feels much nicer in your hand - and most of all it looks absolutely BEAUTIFUL - it looks sexier than a PSP, and it's significantly smaller than a current DS. The power switch is now a flick-switch on the side and the stylus goes in sideways rather than in the top. Seen two colours so far including the white. White is best. I love my company!!!!
source (http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=2661901&postcount=234)

Awesome! I really can't wait to buy one of these, whatever the price. We're all crazy, but I love it when Nintendo do this! Urgh, I want one now!!

[Cmtz]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

[Cmtz]

Something tells me that there won't be an GBA slot.

[THATinkjar]

Something tells me that there won't be an GBA slot.

I didn't even think about that, Cmtz! But a number of DS games are using the GBA slot, so it would be a bit odd to remove it. I don't mind either way, though.

[Hams]

wow, looks really slick.
I like the raised ds logo on the front.
Can't wait to see photos.

[Oobgarm]

Hooray! More cramp in my hands!

The current DS cramps my hands enough, I don't want to think about what this smaller version is going to do. :/

I just hope it's not that shiny plastic that's on the PSP, it makes any and all imperfections really stand out.

[Zubiac666]

Something tells me that there won't be an GBA slot.

what?
there is a gba slot.
why shouldn't?

[Leroy]

SON OF A BITCH!!

My girlfriend just got me an import black DS for my birthday.

[stuffedmonkey]

Babelfish translation of the Nintendo press release:


Reporting data
2006 January 26th
The Nintendo Co. corporation

In ニンテンドー DS superior model appearance
ニンテンドーDS(D s) Lite(Light/write)
March 2nd sale


The Nintendo Co. corporation (the Kyoto Itiminami Ku: Satoru Iwata president) on March 2nd this year, it hits against, the superior model of portable type video game machine "ニンテンドー DS" "ニ ン ten ド - DS Lite" manufacturer desired retail price 16 and 800 Yen (including tax: Private AC adapter attachment) with we sell.

We started domestic sale on 2004 December 2nd "ニンテンドー DS" (including tax desired retail price 15, The result and the domestic sum total cell through quantity as for everyone who 000 Yen), the doubles cleanliness and the touch screen, microphone input and wireless communication (local communication and Wi - Fi communication) etc. fully loads unique function, is enjoyed the video game from the past of course, until now also one time has not been done the game and receive support even in the customer of many women and senior layer (from the retail store the actual sale quantity to the customer) after the selling within 13 months 5000000 units breaking (most speed in all the video game machines which were sold so far in the country; The MediaCreate corporation) it does to inspect, for the country of 2005 end of year point in time the sale quantity has reached to 5700000.

This corporation sells this time new as for "ニンテンドー DS Lite", "ニンテンドー DS" being unique, as for colorful function by the fact that that way, the substance thin shape is lightened more to raise portable characteristic, it is the superior type which loads the brightness control function of 4 stages whose it is possible furthermore to make the picture bright. ("It is light", "it is bright", we have named "Lite" from meaning.)

As for Nintendo Co., it designates the existence in the portable type game machine market furthermore it is complete & expands the attractive corresponding software which you can enjoy to the your wide customer regardless of the presence of age sex game experience, not only, with throwing the superior model, this "ニンテンドー DS Lite", as more firm ones, starts actualizing preponderant spread.


Trade name : ニンテンドーDS(D s) Lite(Light/write)
Sale day : 2006 March 2nd
Manufacturer desired retail price : 16 and 800 Yen (including tax)
Size : (Side) 133.0 × (length) 73.9 × (thickness) 21 5mm (you fold, the time)
[ Reference ] until recently the model (side) 148.7 × (length) 84.7 × (thickness) 28. 9mm
Weight : 218g
[ Reference ] until recently model 275g

[THATinkjar]

Babelfish translation of the Nintendo press release:

I'm going to need a translation of THAT translation, if you wouldn't mind...

[stuffedmonkey]

Babelfish translation of the Nintendo press release:

I'm going to need a translation of THAT translation, if you wouldn't mind...

Yeah - Japanese to English is always pretty rough. It will at least give you the general idea and some specs though.

[THATinkjar]

Yeah - Japanese to English is always pretty rough. It will at least give you the general idea and some specs though.

I like the line.... " 'It is light', 'It is bright', 'we have named [it] Lite' ".

Honestly, a brighter screen is all I wanted. That and two DS slots.

[GrandAmChandler]

There had better be a GBA slot on that bad boy. If there is, I will be getting one ASAP.

[Lady Jaye]

There oughta be one. For instance, the Daigasso Band Brothers expansion is a GBA cart that requires the original game (DS format) to be played.

[THATinkjar]

I just realised, this redesign might explain the stock shortages. Some people thought it was because a new version of the DS was about to be landing in stores, but obviously they're tinkering with their production line and that has had a knock on effect on production.

How soon do Nintendo usually spread redesigns of existing handhelds to other territories? If they launch in March, is there any hint of when we can expect it in Europe? The Micro launch was quite close to the American launch.

[petewhitley]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

[Tan]

i wonder if they made any other bonus improvements like battery life, and will all the current peripherals become obsolete?

[s1lence]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

Yea sure and the redesigned PS2 has had problems selling :hmm: Kids will want the latest version of the system and alot of parents will buy them as well as gamers that what the newest style of DS.

[www.consolegames.org]

according to 1ups article http://ds.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3147494

They confirmed that it will have the gba slot.

"some users have already expressed concern that the GBA slot might have been removed from the new design in order to save money, but we can confirm that this is not the case."

And another interesting tidbit from igns article http://ds.ign.com/articles/683/683684p1.html

"The system is brighter overall, and will give the user the ability to select from four different levels of brightness for viewing and/or battery consumption."

[petewhitley]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

Yea sure and the redesigned PS2 has had problems selling :hmm:

It had no problems selling, but it wasn't primarily to people who already had a one-year-old functioning system. :hmm:

[Ed Oscuro]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.
Are we forgetting about all the people who would've bought a DS but couldn't as stock was too low?

[studvicious]

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

Yeah because no one cared or bought a new PStwo :roll: please.... It's smaller, and pretty much better in every way. People will want to replace their DS's with this. Just like everyone wanted a new PS2. If this had launched sometime around last December it would've been harded to find than a 360.

[THATinkjar]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

Yea sure and the redesigned PS2 has had problems selling :hmm:

That is completely different, my friend. The redesigned PS2 came out a long while after the initial launch. The size reduction was INCREDIBLE. Many people with older models of the PS2 (like myself) find newer games (like God of War) don't run properly (a known problem) and have to buy a PStwo (like I will be doing in due course). And the market for the PS2 is far, far greater than that of the DS.

So really, the PS2 should not be brought into the equation. I agree with Pete, this redesign won't sell impressive numbers, but since they brought it in at such an early stage in the DS life cycle (in my opinion), and with the game line-up continuing to impress for the next twelve months, it is going to sell a heck of a lot. This isn't a hardware revision to get a little more money out of the same hardware, this is to spearhead the DS for the next eighteen months as it hits its prime. Its just totally different.

[petewhitley]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.
Are we forgetting about all the people who would've bought a DS but couldn't as stock was too low?

No, because those aren't 2nd system buys. I'm talking about the absurd comment that "anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one". That sort of thing simply doesn't happen with non-collectors.

[s1lence]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.
Are we forgetting about all the people who would've bought a DS but couldn't as stock was too low?

No, because those aren't 2nd system buys. I'm talking about the absurd comment that "anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one". That sort of thing simply doesn't happen with non-collectors.

Point well taken, I wasn't sure of the demographic that you were suggesting.

[Ed Oscuro]

I knew there was something wrong...right, I'm skimming too much :(

I agree - for anybody who hasn't gone out and bought a DS or were unable to due to the shortage, this will be great, but for those who already have it - the screen seems to be the same size, but with four brightness levels...seems pretty insignificant as an improvement, really.

[poloplayr]

Oh my God. That thing is so sexy. I want to make love to it.

*puts on some Barry White in the background and lights some candles*

Well, hello DS Lite...I've been expecting you, let me pour you a glass of your favourite wine; Cabernet Sauvignon. Why? Because I know you so well...

"Let's get it oooon"

[Zubiac666]

Oh my God. That thing is so sexy. I want to make love to it.

*puts on some Barry White in the background and lights some candles*

Well, hello DS Lite...I've been expecting you, let me pour you a glass of your favourite wine; Cabernet Sauvignon. Why? Because I know you so well...

"Let's get it oooon"

:hmm:

oh,c'mon.....the DS lite would never drink red whine.
rather a li(gh)te white-wine from the south of France.

[Ed Oscuro]

White is the perfect backdrop for showing off reds...don't you agree?

Not that I recommend dousing your DS Lite in liquids ;)

[poloplayr]

Au contraire. The DS is more complex and richer in substance. A red would suit it. The PSP is a budweiser for dumb people and the DS is for the thinking man. Substance over Surface. Complexity over Easy flash.

[THATinkjar]

Au contraire. The DS is more complex and richer in substance. A red would suit it. The PSP is a budweiser for dumb people and the DS is for the thinking man. Substance over Surface. Complexity over Easy flash.

Where does James Pond Codename: Robocod fit in to the above, young man?

The DS is crackers and cheese, while the PSP is a rare steak.

[rbudrick]

Well, I guess I'll eat my words from the previous thread...I really didn't think they would do this any time soon. I guess I was wrong!

-Rob

[SkiDragon]

I still think its too early to do this, and I never thought that the screen was dim in the slightest.

Other than that its pretty slick.

[poloplayr]

James Pond is a classic platformer. Pond rocked the Amiga.

[MegaDrive20XX]

I want one....I waited and here's my chance now..I like where they placed the Start and Select button now..

[Kamino]

and yet they have not corrected their largest fuckup of no gb/gbc support.
:fist:

[Leo_A]

He didn't say the redesigned one wouldn't sell well people. He said that the sales to existing owners would be relatively minor.

That's correct (And darn, I see people have already explained that to the ones that were changing the guy's post to something different, should've finished reading the thread first)

[Julio III]

So one year in and already Nintendo have a redesign, argh! To add to that it doesn't look that significant a redesign, just a reduction in size and a really good aesthetic makeover, that top looks sweet, nice colour also. My question is, are they going to discontinue the current DS and just have the lite version now

[hezeuschrist]

and yet they have not corrected their largest fuckup of no gb/gbc support.
:fist:

Thats why you have a GBA SP.

[Dur Butter]

I hope Nintendo will add the feature that shoves it up my ass for me!

My hands have started to cramp from doing it myself. :(

[McBacon]

I'm undecided at the mo, the square shape seems really ugly and basic, where the DS has much more shape and substance.

Also, the duo-colour of the DS is awesome and the whole thing fits nicely in my hands.

I'm gonna need to play this Lite system before purchasing.

[neuropolitique]

I'm really looking forward to this. I can hardly wait to replay the games I have with the new screens. It doesn't appear that you can control the brightness of each screen individually, but I can live with that I guess. The redesign is jsut icing on the cake.

[lol monster]

i guess i should sell mine now then

[Tan]

and yet they have not corrected their largest fuckup of no gb/gbc support.
:fist:

Thats why you have a GBA SP.

it's not very portable when you have to take 2 handhelds along just so you can play tetris, and no tetris DS or gba wouldn't count, it may be good but it's no substitute.

[Zubiac666]

and yet they have not corrected their largest fuckup of no gb/gbc support.
:fist:

Thats why you have a GBA SP.

it's not very portable when you have to take 2 handhelds along just so you can play tetris, and no tetris DS or gba wouldn't count, it may be good but it's no substitute.

WifiMe enabled Tetris(release in europe around april) made by Nintendo themselves will own every other version.
I really can't wait.

[poopnes]

and yet they have not corrected their largest fuckup of no gb/gbc support.
:fist:

Thats why you have a GBA SP.

it's not very portable when you have to take 2 handhelds along just so you can play tetris, and no tetris DS or gba wouldn't count, it may be good but it's no substitute.

WifiMe enabled Tetris(release in europe around april) made by Nintendo themselves will own every other version.
I really can't wait.

Tetris DS comes out March 20 in the states. I can't wait.

That being said.... AAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

My DS is just 5 days old. I was going to hold off because Nintendo said the rumors weren't true. I thought it was too soon for a redesign anyways. So I took the plunge. And I find out 5 days later that my two biggest (and they are BIG) complaints against the DS are to be fixed soon: I find the DS to be too big and too heavy. O well. I told my girlfriend that its her DS now, I will be buying this sexy thang when it hits the US.

[norkusa]

I'll pass on this. I'm going to wait 'till 2007 when re-design #3 comes out with an analog stick.

Seems like a waste to re-design a system only a year after launch and not included one. The lack of an analog stick is the the weakest point on the DS, imo.

[16-bit]

My DS is just 5 days old. I was going to hold off because Nintendo said the rumors weren't true. I thought it was too soon for a redesign anyways. So I took the plunge. And I find out 5 days later that my two biggest (and they are BIG) complaints against the DS are to be fixed soon: I find the DS to be too big and too heavy. O well. I told my girlfriend that its her DS now, I will be buying this sexy thang when it hits the US.

Heh. You weren't the only one. Still, I absolutely love my DS.

[max 330 mega]

while i think the redesign looks totally amazing, i can say i wont be picking one up, due to the fact that the smaller the system = the more my ever worsening carpal tunnel acts up. ill stick with my pokepark DS, i think the original DS design looks totally amazing as it is.

[Joker T]

That looks cool but I think i'm fine with the standard one, Nintendo why do you redesign everything? We don't have that much money LOL

[poopnes]

That looks cool but I think i'm fine with the standard one, Nintendo why do you redesign everything? We don't have that much money LOL

They know we'll just find a way.

I have 5 designs of the GB (brick, pocket, color, advance, sp) and I really want a micro just because.

This thing just looks slick. I compare it to the difference between the brick and the pocket. The pocket was slick and its my favorite GB ever.

[Push Upstairs]

I'll pass on this. I'm going to wait 'till 2007 when re-design #3 comes out with an analog stick.

They may not even wait that long.


Seems like a waste to re-design a system only a year after launch and not included one. The lack of an analog stick is the the weakest point on the DS, imo.

Well it seems like a waste to redesign a system after one year PERIOD.

But the DS and its lack of an analog stick are the single biggest reason i dislike the damn thing.

[Leo_A]

A analog stick and GB/GBC support would make this the best handheld on the market by far.

But I still love it without it.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

So yeah, I'm probably going to buy one of those now. Yay.

[Joker T]

That looks cool but I think i'm fine with the standard one, Nintendo why do you redesign everything? We don't have that much money LOL

They know we'll just find a way.

I have 5 designs of the GB (brick, pocket, color, advance, sp) and I really want a micro just because.

This thing just looks slick. I compare it to the difference between the brick and the pocket. The pocket was slick and its my favorite GB ever.

I just find it ridiculous,

The N64 and GC are the only consoles not redesigned.

As far as handhelds the only one that they haven't redone is GBC.

1.Gameboy to Gameboy Pocket

2.Gameboy Advance to Gameboy Advance SP to Gameboy Advance Micro and The bright back-light SP

and that isn't even including the GB player.

Maybe Nintendo should spend more time with the Original design so they don't have to make updates. Obviously technology grows but still.

[Haoie]

Boy, this was 1 occasion to remember that the rumours got it right. Still a bit hard to swallow in a way.

[SEGA-SAMMY]

I'm going to get one but I will wait until some cooler colours come out!

[studvicious]

I'm sure the biggest reason for this is to make it look along the lines of the revolution. To really tie all of their brands together. Just a thought.

[keiblerfan69]

I'm glad I waiting to get a DS.

[hezeuschrist]

That looks cool but I think i'm fine with the standard one, Nintendo why do you redesign everything? We don't have that much money LOL

They know we'll just find a way.

I have 5 designs of the GB (brick, pocket, color, advance, sp) and I really want a micro just because.

This thing just looks slick. I compare it to the difference between the brick and the pocket. The pocket was slick and its my favorite GB ever.

I just find it ridiculous,

The N64 and GC are the only consoles not redesigned.

As far as handhelds the only one that they haven't redone is GBC.

1.Gameboy to Gameboy Pocket

2.Gameboy Advance to Gameboy Advance SP to Gameboy Advance Micro and The bright back-light SP

and that isn't even including the GB player.

Maybe Nintendo should spend more time with the Original design so they don't have to make updates. Obviously technology grows but still.

That I actually find very suprising, considering it's physical design was probably the biggest blow to Nintendos "image" in the past 10 years.

[Tan]

sometimes a redesign can not only please the publicand fix issues, but also make the tooling for manufacturing cheaper, that way they can save both time and money in efficiency, turning a better profit/unit ratio for themselves.

[Anthony1]

Hmm.... Interesting, but I'm still very much on the fence about the DS. I don't really like the whole 2 screen concept. I think that it's more of a gimmick than anything, and I can't stand the idea of using some damn stylus to play a game.


I will say that one of the reasons I don't have a DS right now is because it's so damn bulky and awkward looking. I mean, from a comfort standpoint, while playing it. I just wish they would get rid of the second screen altogether. Then they wouldn't need a clam shell design, and then it could actually be comfortable. I know that all the DS lovers out there will think I'm a retard to suggest such a thing, but I must admit that playing games with a stylus and all that crap just doesn't appeal to me. KISS. (Keep It Simple Stupid) Most of the games that use two screens for the DS, just put a overhead map or some other crap on the second screen. Honestly, how many DS games could be played on 1 single screen? I know that certain DS games absolutely need the 2nd screen, but alot of them just use the 2nd screen for meaningless info or a overhead map or something like that.


You can call me a DS hater or whatever, but this unit just doesn't appeal to me.

[hezeuschrist]

but I must admit that playing games with a stylus and all that crap just doesn't appeal to me. KISS. (Keep It Simple Stupid)

Care to tell me how any control mechanism could possibly be more simplistic than a touch screen? Point where you want to go, drag to where you want to go, point to the option you want to choose... there's nothing to learn.

[Anthony1]

Care to tell me how any control mechanism could possibly be more simplistic than a touch screen? Point where you want to go, drag to where you want to go, point to the option you want to choose... there's nothing to learn.


First of all, touch screens are great for ATM machines, but they don't belong in a video game system. I mean, explain to me how to play Super Mario Bros. 3 with a freaking touch screen! I guess a touch screen would be fine for some puzzle games or something, but I don't know how I would play a platformer or a shooter or anything like that with a touch screen. It's just dumb. Period. It's a gimmick.

[hezeuschrist]

You were insinuating that the touch screen was a complex mechanism, and it isn't.

As for playing platformers and shooters, only retards come to conclusions like that. How about puzzle games and UNIQUE TITLES? Something you seem to have no desire to play, you want to continue playing the same rehashed crap over and over, and thats fine. You don't want them to keep it simple, you want them to keep it familiar. Change scares you.

How about playing katamari with a touchscreen? That'd be great. Have you even TRIED the MP:Hunters Demo? it works rather well.

And for that matter, how do you play mario bros with a touch screen? You don't, which is why there is a Dpad and face buttons. That's like asking how you play Far Cry with an atari paddle.

[Anthony1]

I must admit that I'm not into puzzle games or slow paced RPG's or anything like that. I'm more of an action gamer. I like fast paced games with action. Using a touch screen with the type of games that I like, really doesn't make any sense at all, thus my lack of interest in the DS.


As for the Metroid Prime Hunters demo, I did "try" to play that game, but found the control scheme to be rather "screwy" to put it mildly. Using a pencil while playing a video game just isn't my idea of a good time. Now if I was playing Mario paint or something, then I could understand using a stylus, but other than that, I just don't see the use for it, other than for it's "gimmick" factor. I tried playing some racing game where you actually used your thumb on the touch screen to steer the car, and it was about the dumbest control mechanism I've ever seen.


The idea of a using 2 screens, and a touch screen screen and a stylus might be a heaven sent idea for some very weird and quircky games, but I'm just not into those kinda games too much, and I don't think it was a very good idea to design an entire system around some quircky games. Same thing with the Revolution's controller.


I'm not a Nintendo hater or anything, so don't get it twisted and don't take it personally. I'm just not very interested at all in the DS right now. Maybe that will change. Maybe not. Even though the Revolution controller is somewhat gimmicky as well, I'm much more interested in that system. It will be my 3rd system, after the PS3 and 360, but I'm sure I'll enjoy it for the occasional game that makes really good use of that controller. But as for using stylus's and touch screens for video games, well, it just doesn't appeal to me. That doesn't mean that you should be offended by my particular views. If you love it, then by all means enjoy it to the fullest.

[joshnickerson]

I'm not terribly upset. My current DS functions quite nicely; the only thing Ninty did was "sexy" it up a notch. I'm sure I'll probably eventually trade in and "upgrade" to the DS2, much like I did with my GBASP, but I won't feel like Nintendo's "forcing" me to buy a new system.

The buttons do look a bit bigger, and I have to give a "kudos" on that. That was my beef with the current model; the buttons are just a bit too small.

I will say this though... Nintendo would be wise to offer the new system at the same price point as the current one and not any higher.

[DocRamon]

toss me into the group that's unimpressed...

1- there's not enough hardware changes to make it seem necessary. even the size and weight changes are minimal.

2- the look and name are both a little fruity, if you ask me. i'd feel more "cool" carrying around the current model than this one. the lite looks like a makeup compact and sounds like a diet soft drink.

3- i don't see the point? the current DS was already selling like gangbusters. sure, this will attract a small portion of people that were holding out for a sleeker model, but i'm willing to bet that one really awesome, must-own game would have done the same. it's the games that are more important anyway.

4- why do people hold out for the sleeker model? because we all know that it's coming! at what point does everyone stop buying nintendo consoles because they'll make a new one later? eventually this plan will backfire on them.

5- overall, i think redesigns like this foster bad consumer relations. too many people, especially the most recent to adopt it, get upset that their current one is now "obsolete" and blame nintendo. sure, you've created a new audience that wanted the sleeker model, but you've also secluded a lot of people. doesn't seem smart to me.

basically... the redesign idea is fine... but do it when the system is on it's way out. this would have been a great time for a gamecube redesign, not a DS one.

[hezeuschrist]

toss me into the group that's unimpressed...

3- i don't see the point? the current DS was already selling like gangbusters. sure, this will attract a small portion of people that were holding out for a sleeker model, but i'm willing to bet that one really awesome, must-own game would have done the same. it's the games that are more important anyway.


More than likely it's cheaper for Nintendo to physically produce, or will be in the long run. Not only that, but if it is they can still charge a premium right off the bat because it's "New" and make a killing.

It's still just a business.

[dbiersdorf]

Personally I think Nintendo's only reason for doing this was to match the Revolution style and get prepped for its launch. I think the thing is way too premature and doesn't need a new design, especially considering they are really only adding a new screen for $20 more. I'll buy it of course, but that's not to say Nintendo didn't half ass it.

[Joker T]

Personally I think Nintendo's only reason for doing this was to match the Revolution style and get prepped for its launch. I think the thing is way too premature and doesn't need a new design, especially considering they are really only adding a new screen for $20 more. I'll buy it of course, but that's not to say Nintendo didn't half ass it.

It does look alot like Revolution, your right.

[danthemanuno]

I'm not going to lie I am going to break my DS in order to trade it in at ebgames. I bought the warranty so if I break it they will have to give me a new one.

Just to make sure does ebgames give the newer version of the hardware when you have purchased the warranty?

Well anyway does anybody know when the DS Lite will be released in the US?

[Joker T]

I'm not going to lie I am going to break my DS in order to trade it in at ebgames. I bought the warranty so if I break it they will have to give me a new one.

Just to make sure does ebgames give the newer version of the hardware when you have purchased the warranty?

Well anyway does anybody know when the DS Lite will be released in the US?

That is not a good thing to do. Break an old system for the new one, thats ridiculous. They'll be sure to give you the same system as well because they haven't stoped making the old one yet, don't expect to get a lite. If you break your iPod from 2003 they aren't going to give you a new iPod video as a replacment.

[boatofcar]

I'm not going to lie I am going to break my DS in order to trade it in at ebgames. I bought the warranty so if I break it they will have to give me a new one.

Just to make sure does ebgames give the newer version of the hardware when you have purchased the warranty?

Well anyway does anybody know when the DS Lite will be released in the US?

I'm pretty sure that they will NOT give you a DS lite. They will order a replacement unit from Nintendo. Nintendo, and every other electronics company for that matter, has warehouses where they store replacement product for punks that try and screw them out of money.

[goatdan]

I'll admit that while I thought the screens were incredible initially, I have noticed that they are a little darker than I 'd like them to be lately.

Just a couple comments...

Re: This unit selling a lot to people that already bought a DS. I don't see it. A point that wasn't brought up was the fact that almost everyone with a Game Boy Advance bought a GBA SP. But that was because Nintendo made the SP much more desireable by changing so much about it. I don't see the same amount of changes, and therefore selling to the same market I expect will be low.

Re: Why this didn't get an analog stick is simple. Analog controls need to be programmed into the games. Without that programming, games couldn't take advantage of it, so everything released wouldn't be compatible with it. It would also force people that already have one to purchase a new one to get the analog stick, something that they should definitely avoid doing.

As for me personally, I'll definitely stick with the original one which is just the right size and shape for me :)

[RCM]

Can't Nintendo get a portable right the first time? I'll eventually pick this up cause i'm a hardware whore but not for $130. The DS Lite seems to match the Revolution. Anybody agree?

[dbiersdorf]

Personally I just find it odd that Nintendo makes a new system at the peak of the old systems sales. Why not wait until the momentum of the original to slowly die and then hit the market with something new bringing in early and late adopters. Doesn't seem like a great buisness plan IMO.

[dbiersdorf]

Can't Nintendo get a portable right the first time? I'll eventually pick this up cause i'm a hardware whore but not for $130. The DS Lite seems to match the Revolution. Anybody agree?

Yeah I mentioned that before, I think it's one of the major reasons for the redesign considering we'll more then likely see some kind of DS to Revolution connectivity at the system launch.

I was also thinking with rumors of Sony announcing a new model of the PSP, maybe Nintendo wanted to be the first out of the gate?

[Hypnotuba]

Personally I just find it odd that Nintendo makes a new system at the peak of the old systems sales.

The timing might seem odd, but for me, once I saw a GBA SP with the brighter screen, I decided to wait on a DS, because I figured at some point they'd release a new DS with that awesome screen. And now they are! Hooray for me.

But, if I was someone who just bought a DS, I'd be a little mad.

[neuropolitique]

What's with al the redesign hate? Most consoles through the ages have been redesigned, sometimes several times. Even in the world of handhelds Nintendo is not alone in this.

Does the redesign improve upon the original? Yes. Do you have to buy it? No. Get over it.

[Push Upstairs]

And to think there was a time when it took Nintendo nearly a decade to put a backlit screen in a portable system.

And how many years between the introduction of the GB and the GB pocket?

First they drag thier feet at redesigning now they can't release anything without wanting planning a redesign ahead of time.

[Hypnotuba]

What's with al the redesign hate? Most consoles through the ages have been redesigned, sometimes several times. Even in the world of handhelds Nintendo is not alone in this.

Sure, but I think maybe people are surprised at the timing of it. I'm thrilled about it, but I don't have one.

Plus, usually redesigns are just cosmetic, and happen later in the console's lifespan (maybe this doesn't apply as much to handhelds.) Redesigns sometimes eliminate features as well, such as the SNES redesign lacking S-video output. This seems like it's a better DS, at least because of the screen, and potentially the buttons are nicer.

If I had a DS since day 1, I probably wouldn't care, but if I'd just bought one, I'd be a little bummed that there's a better version around the corner.

[Lothars]

I read this this morning and wasn't sure if it was true lol

but hey it's all good, I think I will definitly have to pick this up

Im actually looking forward to this should be interesting

damn redesign lol

[Hams]

Nintendo took a great gamble on the success of the DS, especially with there competition. Now that it's proven a complete success (full props to them!), this is the ideal time to fine tune its esthetic design, add a few small extras and settle down to manufacture zillions of them.

Nintendo has always been about excellent product design, i guess they felt it wasn't quite all it could be. Especially marketing visually next to the Rev. They will go hand in hand. If you have a Rev you'll want a DS to use with it. If you have a DS you'll want a REV to use with it. (I know everyone's talked about how it will work with the Rev). But how cool will it be if you're playing a RE or Zelda title on the Rev and you pull up your maps, pda communications, pick locks, solve puzzles, check items and customise ammo on the DS. Its going to be an incredible experience.

I think they chose the perfect time, after this i dont think there will be another redesign for years to come.

ps: I always wondered why the DS logo was'nt on the front of the system, that is such an important branding symbol from a marketing point of view.

[Bronty-2]

What is that, cheech wizard? Looks like Bode to me.

[Hams]

What is that, cheech wizard? Looks like Bode to me.

You betcha!

Once upon a time at 2:30 in the afternoon, their was a wise and benevolent wizard who wore a big hat and went by the handle...

[THATinkjar]

It occured to me that the DS Lite looks a lot like this Zelda Game & Watch...

http://www.consolepassion.co.uk/images/nintendo-game-and-watch/hi-res/nintendo-game-and-watch-zl-65-front.jpg


Nintendo took a great gamble on the success of the DS, especially with there competition. Now that it's proven a complete success (full props to them!), this is the ideal time to fine tune its esthetic design, add a few small extras and settle down to manufacture zillions of them.

That is a really good point. They took a gamble, did it as best as they could, have learnt a few lessons, and will release a second version. No harm in this whatsoever.

People talk about the lack of additional changes, but that is a good thing. It ensures people who don't "upgrade" don't feel like they're missing out. Plus it would only split the DS market, which wouldn't be in their interest.

[Zubiac666]

for all those "but it isn't THAT smaller than the old one"-guys:
Are you insane?
You DO know that is only 22mm thick?That's less than the lower half of the old model is!

Here you can see the size of both models:
http://mud.ladaponte.com/stuff/ds2.jpg
http://mud.ladaponte.com/stuff/ds1.jpg
I really can't see them getting any smaller than this.Otherwise it would be unplayable.

Ps: No the screens are NOT smaller(as it appears on the pics).
Both screens are now same size( the old DS had a border on the upper screen)
Also the new screens are brighter,sharper and sunlight has less influence.
Th stylus port is now on the side(so you stick in the stylus sideways).The "power" button also.

[poloplayr]

I'm not going to lie I am going to break my DS in order to trade it in at ebgames. I bought the warranty so if I break it they will have to give me a new one.

Just to make sure does ebgames give the newer version of the hardware when you have purchased the warranty?

Well anyway does anybody know when the DS Lite will be released in the US?

Can anyone say 'fraud'?

[rjohnson]

I'm not going to lie I am going to break my DS in order to trade it in at ebgames. I bought the warranty so if I break it they will have to give me a new one.

Just to make sure does ebgames give the newer version of the hardware when you have purchased the warranty?

Well anyway does anybody know when the DS Lite will be released in the US?

Can anyone say 'fraud'?

I agree! BAD KARMA is comin' your way!!!!

Master Cheif would never do such an action....

That Avatar is not worthy of your evil plan...

I suggest that your avatar be SWITCHED to that of a Grunt!

[DonMarco]

The power button/switch must be on the unit's side, so what else is there? Will it have a headphone jack?

[THATinkjar]

The power button/switch must be on the unit's side, so what else is there? Will it have a headphone jack?

I don't think anyone has mentioned the headphone jack. I hope they haven't removed it, I couldn't imagine playing without it!

[hezeuschrist]

The power button/switch must be on the unit's side, so what else is there? Will it have a headphone jack?

Apparently the stylus goes in the side as well, instead of the top.

[rbudrick]

As far as handhelds the only one that they haven't redone is GBC.

Virtual Boy? Pokemon mini?

-Rob

[Leo_A]

Anthony1, until you actually try one with a variety of games, doubt you're going to find anyone that really cares about your opinion.

[Push Upstairs]

Nintendo has always been about excellent product design, i guess they felt it wasn't quite all it could be.

This might be true, but the U.S. SNES was still a fugly beast.

[petewhitley]

Anthony1, until you actually try one with a variety of games, doubt you're going to find anyone that really cares about your opinion.

Well Nintendo sure as hell better care because they need to market the DS more effectively in order to sell to gamers like Anthony1. Or a competing system (like the PSP) is going to swoop in and take that business.

[hezeuschrist]

Anthony1, until you actually try one with a variety of games, doubt you're going to find anyone that really cares about your opinion.

Well Nintendo sure as hell better care because they need to market the DS more effectively in order to sell to gamers like Anthony1. Or a competing system (like the PSP) is going to swoop in and take that business.

Not really. The DS and PSP are marketed (regardless of how they're trying to market them) to two totally different audiences. Nintendo knows they can't make every single person happy and capture 100% of the handheld market against the PSP, so they're not going to try.

[unwinddesign]

Anthony1, until you actually try one with a variety of games, doubt you're going to find anyone that really cares about your opinion.

Well Nintendo sure as hell better care because they need to market the DS more effectively in order to sell to gamers like Anthony1. Or a competing system (like the PSP) is going to swoop in and take that business.

Not really. The DS and PSP are marketed (regardless of how they're trying to market them) to two totally different audiences. Nintendo knows they can't make every single person happy and capture 100% of the handheld market against the PSP, so they're not going to try.

C'mon, you don't seriously believe that argument do you? :/

[hezeuschrist]

What, that Nintendo isn't trying to capture 100% of the market or that they're aimed at different audiences?

[Hypnotuba]

I guess a touch screen would be fine for some puzzle games or something, but I don't know how I would play a platformer or a shooter or anything like that with a touch screen. It's just dumb. Period. It's a gimmick.

Oh, come on, it can't be that dumb -- haven't more than 13 million DSs been sold? Please correct me if I'm wrong.



. . .and I don't think it was a very good idea to design an entire system around some quircky games.

I don't know that the system has been designed around quirky games, but even if it has, this sounds like commentary from before the system was released and some people thought Nintendo had lost it. Again, 13 million units later. . .maybe Nintendo is onto something.

I suppose this could be the peak of the DS and the PSP will take over portable gaming, but so far, Nintendo is having great success.

I'm not trying to convince you to want one (I don't have one yet either), but maybe it's not such a crazy idea for a system. It might not be for you, but to state definitively that it's dumb is wrong, and over 13 million people disagree with you.

And one more thing: 13 million. :D

13 million.

[comrade]

Ok, so I want one.

What is the deal with pre ordering these bad boys? I want to, but im afraid I won't get the color that I want. How exactly does that work?

[zerohero]

And I just got the red mario kart edition x_x

Oh well, I guess this new credit card will come in handy...

[hezeuschrist]

Ok, so I want one.

What is the deal with pre ordering these bad boys? I want to, but im afraid I won't get the color that I want. How exactly does that work?

Wait until it's actually announced for a US (or Euro) release and what colors will be available, then proceed as planned. I'm sure specialty stores like Gamestop and EB will be able to accomodate color concerns if preordered early enough.

Although, I don't think that getting whatever you want without preordering will be any kind of issue.

[comrade]

True true, but I was just looking into pre ordering from Playasia. Does anyone know how they handle preorders for hardware like this?

[Cmtz]

I still think that many people who already have a DS are going to want a new one. I want a new one and look at how many people who already have one who have expressed they they would like one as well. The reason I say this because many of the DS games are multiplayer and 2 DS systems would acutally be worth it.

[NintendoMan]

I still think that many people who already have a DS are going to want a new one. I want a new one and look at how many people who already have one who have expressed they they would like one as well. The reason I say this because many of the DS games are multiplayer and 2 DS systems would acutally be worth it.

Yeah, I got one the SUNDAY it was released in '04, and will definately be buying a new one as well.

[hezeuschrist]

I still think that many people who already have a DS are going to want a new one. I want a new one and look at how many people who already have one who have expressed they they would like one as well. The reason I say this because many of the DS games are multiplayer and 2 DS systems would acutally be worth it.

Not one person reading this topic qualifies as the average DS owner. Or PSP owner, or average in any way related to videogames. A lot of people bought the system just for Nintendogs, and I have a feeling they won't be purchasing a second unit.

I'd guess at best, they might push a million from resales.

[unwinddesign]

What, that Nintendo isn't trying to capture 100% of the market or that they're aimed at different audiences?

That the PSP and DS are aimed at different audiences.

[hezeuschrist]

What, that Nintendo isn't trying to capture 100% of the market or that they're aimed at different audiences?

That the PSP and DS are aimed at different audiences.

Nintendo isn't trying to capture any portion of the iPod market, and that's the PSP's biggest selling point right now because it sure as hell isn't the games thats moving units.

The moderate to hardcore are still wary of adopting the PSP, and the most who are funding it are the ones who use it for the multimedia features first, and games second.

[petewhitley]

Nintendo isn't trying to capture any portion of the iPod market, and that's the PSP's biggest selling point right now because it sure as hell isn't the games thats moving units.

The moderate to hardcore are still wary of adopting the PSP, and the most who are funding it are the ones who use it for the multimedia features first, and games second.

I'd bet you money that multimedia features (other than gaming and official UMDs) are NOT the biggest selling point to the majority of PSP buyers.

[unwinddesign]

What, that Nintendo isn't trying to capture 100% of the market or that they're aimed at different audiences?

That the PSP and DS are aimed at different audiences.

Nintendo isn't trying to capture any portion of the iPod market, and that's the PSP's biggest selling point right now because it sure as hell isn't the games thats moving units.

The moderate to hardcore are still wary of adopting the PSP, and the most who are funding it are the ones who use it for the multimedia features first, and games second.

That's not why I or anyone else I know purchased it. And, quite frankly, I am not a hardcore portable gamer (or really a "hardcore" gamer in general), nor are my friends. It turns out I used the multimedia functions more than the game functions, but I can assure you that the reason I purchased the damn thing was to play some portable games. The other stuff is gravy. Most people already have an iPod or something similar, and the PSP really isn't a very good replacement for a standalone device. Jack of all trades,
master of none is the case with the PSP. Sony is releasing so many UMDs because they have nothing to release.

The DS is aiming at the same handheld portable gaming market as the PSP.

Just my two cents.

[hezeuschrist]

What, that Nintendo isn't trying to capture 100% of the market or that they're aimed at different audiences?

That the PSP and DS are aimed at different audiences.

Nintendo isn't trying to capture any portion of the iPod market, and that's the PSP's biggest selling point right now because it sure as hell isn't the games thats moving units.

The moderate to hardcore are still wary of adopting the PSP, and the most who are funding it are the ones who use it for the multimedia features first, and games second.

That's not why I or anyone else I know purchased it. And, quite frankly, I am not a hardcore portable gamer (or really a "hardcore" gamer in general), nor are my friends. It turns out I used the multimedia functions more than the game functions, but I can assure you that the reason I purchased the damn thing was to play some portable games. The other stuff is gravy. Most people already have an iPod or something similar, and the PSP really isn't a very good replacement for a standalone device. Jack of all trades,
master of none is the case with the PSP. Sony is releasing so many UMDs because they have nothing to release.

The DS is aiming at the same handheld portable gaming market as the PSP.

Just my two cents.

For the umpteenth time, no one that visits these boards, and likely their friends, are anywhere near the status quo in terms of the average gamer. The sluggish software sales and the somewhat unexpected success of UMD Movies supports this claim.

And yes, they're both aiming at portable gaming, but they both have different gaming audiences they're targeting and the PSP has the major audience of potential multimedia device owners as well.

[zerohero]

What, that Nintendo isn't trying to capture 100% of the market or that they're aimed at different audiences?

That the PSP and DS are aimed at different audiences.

Nintendo isn't trying to capture any portion of the iPod market, and that's the PSP's biggest selling point right now because it sure as hell isn't the games thats moving units.

The moderate to hardcore are still wary of adopting the PSP, and the most who are funding it are the ones who use it for the multimedia features first, and games second.


It's almost like another pocketstation ;)

[Anthony1]

Anthony1, until you actually try one with a variety of games, doubt you're going to find anyone that really cares about your opinion.



My opinion, is just that, my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. I certainly don't expect anybody to be swayed one way or the other based on one person's take. I'm simply not very interested in the DS, and yes, I understand that the system has sold well, but it just doesn't interest me. Of course, everybody has their own particular interests and tastes, and maybe I'm kinda weird in my lack of enthusiasm about that system. I could be in the extreme minority.


One thing I will say, is that it seems that the vast majority of DS owners on these boards are very passionate about their DS, and I can definitely respect that. Actually, having said that, I probably should apologize for being so harsh on the system. Just because I don't fancy it, doesn't mean I should rain on anybody else's parade.

[Muscelli]

sorry guys, but

GOD DAMN that things uglier then roseanne barr in a G String :eek 2:

No offense to the nintendo guys, but WTF was the point of this?

[Bronty-2]

(Not directed at you) but what's the obsession with 'good-looking' systems anyway? I'm not buying it to fuck it. ;) Could care less which version I get, although I'm looking forward to picking one of these up one of these days. Just concerned that I won't have the time to play it this spring so buying it seems kinda pointless. :/

[max 330 mega]

Anthony1, until you actually try one with a variety of games, doubt you're going to find anyone that really cares about your opinion.

Well Nintendo sure as hell better care because they need to market the DS more effectively in order to sell to gamers like Anthony1. Or a competing system (like the PSP) is going to swoop in and take that business.

No my friend, sadly even the PSP doesn't have RGB output or warm chocolate pudding.

[poopnes]

So my almost one week old DS suffered a fall today. My girlfriend dropped it and the top screen is cracked. Its still playable, theres some stuck pixels and about 5-10% "dead" space.

She sent me a text message at work. "I broke the DS. I'm really sorry. Are you upset? It really is broke too. Still works but looks real sh*tty"

Just thinking "hell yes!". I've dropped my GB's thousands of times and nothing more than scratches and bumps. One drop from her and disaster. Then it hit me...

reply: "I'm buying the new one when it comes out"

Can't argue with that.

So hey, Nintendo, hurry your butt up and get it the Lite over here!!

The damage:
http://webpages.charter.net/nes_marc/ds.jpg

[THATinkjar]

sorry guys, but

GOD DAMN that things uglier then roseanne barr in a G String :eek 2:

But you can't fit Roseanne Barr in your pocket, you can the DS Lite!

[bazariah]

im thinking of getting a ds lite at some point... primarily since it will be easier for me to transport it in my pocket to work and play on the bus, lunch break etc

plus with another version of a console i own i wouldnt feel too bad about owning two of them since it is slightly different to the original :D

[Hams]

The companies that bring out accessories for the DS will be pissed. Now with the announced size change everything from screen protectors to airform cases have to be re-sized. There will be a glut of cheap accessories for years to come for the DSone.

[Super Mario Fan]

The companies that bring out accessories for the DS will be pissed. Now with the announced size change everything from screen protectors to airform cases have to be re-sized. There will be a glut of cheap accessories for years to come for the DSone.


I'm not seeing the bad part here for the consumer. Usually accesories are WAY over-priced. It'd be nice to see some cheap ones down the line.

[Teknik_SE-R]

well. i ve been coveting a red one in the mario kart package for some time now. I don't own any DS, but I have been interested since launch.

someone has also stated on other forums that the controls have been moved up on the lower clam shell, giving more room for your palms to grip. and if you look at the "side by side" comparos some have done, the buttons look at least more spaced out than on the DSone

as for competition with PSP. obvoiusly they compete, or I (and thousands of others i would guess) wouldn't be deliberating over one or the other. I don't care for an MP3 player though, I care about gaming, and the DS hands down wins that battle

Remember that Tendo also asserts that the DS is NOT a game boy. Who knows what is really going on there, but if this is true, what can we expect from the next GB?
So, I am willing to bet that the next GB (if they make one) will be a direct competition with the PSP in the gaming dept at the least.

[comrade]

New 'live' pictures of the DS lite have just surfaced via Engadget. Enjoy folks!

the sexy (http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/08/nintendo-ds-lite-live-shots/)

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/nintendo_ds_lite_front.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/nintendo_ds_lite_back.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/nintendo_ds_lite_top_bottom.jpg

[THATinkjar]

New 'live' pictures of the DS lite have just surfaced via Engadget. Enjoy folks!

http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/08/nintendo-ds-lite-live-shots/

Thanks for the link - tis looking great!

[lol monster]

Here are some more pictures.

http://www.jeux-france.com/news14424_nintendo-ds-lite-premieres-photos.html

[comrade]

Here are some more pictures.

http://www.jeux-france.com/news14424_nintendo-ds-lite-premieres-photos.html

Those pictures remind me of celebrity mug shots or something.

[Xexyz]

New 'live' pictures of the DS lite have just surfaced via Engadget. Enjoy folks!

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/nintendo_ds_lite_front.jpg



That picture alone makes me question all the "sexy" comments I hear about the DS Lite. It doesn't look any worse than the origional DS, but it sure doesn't look any better. They streamlined it, so when it's closed it looks much better, but the buttons, D-pad, and those horrid looking speakers just don't scream "sexy" to me.

[THATinkjar]

The mock-ups looked sexy, but I have to agree - the final build does not. Though these shots weren't exactly taken with the intention of selling the DS Lite, so I'm sure it could look a little better come launch.

Still want one though.

[eggwolio]

why did nintendo start using sliders instead of dials for volume control.

that crap drives me insane.

[Teknik_SE-R]

I bet Tendy is furious about this leak!

If you read the french website's description, it says that they were jacked from the FCC. this is clearly a workhorse unit. if you have ever seen a workhorse vehicle, you will understand what I mean. huge panel gaps, mismatched colors and materials etc. the shell is purely used as a physical representation and to hold all the internal components. wait until the actual release to make your decision on the looks

also, if you look at the size compaisons that some have done in photoshop or whatever, it looks like the dpad and buttons have moved up towards the hinge a little for larger palm grip area, and it also looks like the right side buttons are bigger and better spaced. plus the dpad is supposeddly from a micro, which everyone reports as the best dpad to date.

wouldn't mind the analog from the psp tho, that thing is slick!

[Mason P.]

I think its funny that you can see the digital camera in the reflection on the screen.

I wanna get one when it comes out.

[klausien]

why did nintendo start using sliders instead of dials for volume control.

that crap drives me insane.

There is a sound reason for it. A dial is a wheel which the user only sees a fraction of. A silder takes up less space internally. It also keeps dust and the like from entering the unit. I like dials better myself though.

I really wish I had waited for this one. Just got a DS at X-Mas. Will probably trade up when this comes out.

[lol monster]

This looks pretty sexy, but I am afraid it looks too thick.

[MegaDrive20XX]

I got a funny feeling this won't play GBA games...but judging from these photos...you can see a tab over the GBA port...or do you think that's just for the rumble pak that's normally bundled with the Metroid Pinball??

Is it me or does it look like this DS is held hostage in Afgan?? O_O It's tied up in one picture...then chained against the power outlet....then streched out.....gees this guy loves abusing this thing...

[lol monster]

The rumble pack isn't white like that, it is black. I would put my money on it just being a piece of plastic to cover up the slot.

[MegaDrive20XX]

The rumble pack isn't white like that, it is black. I would put my money on it just being a piece of plastic to cover up the slot.

I know, but I'm sure that white piece is a cover up for the port like you said

[Teknik_SE-R]

Is it me or does it look like this DS is held hostage in Afgan?? O_O It's tied up in one picture...then chained against the power outlet....then streched out.....gees this guy loves abusing this thing...

LOL IIRC they are just doing transmission tests. they have to test how well a unit receives/transmitts with different types of physical objects blocking the EM wave path.

[SirDrexl]

This looks pretty sexy, but I am afraid it looks too thick.

That's what she said! :)

Anyway, I don't have a DS yet, so I suppose this would be the one to get. I don't know why people were comparing this to the redesigned PS2. A portable system getting smaller is a much bigger deal than a home console.

[unbroken]

if this had gbc support, it would be the best portable of all time.

[Teknik_SE-R]

if this had gbc support, it would be the best portable of all time.

seriously. it couldn't have made it that much bigger to put the GB ecu in there.

[THATinkjar]

Pictures of the colour variations the DS Lite will launch in next month in Japan (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/lite/color/index.html)



if this had gbc support, it would be the best portable of all time.

seriously. it couldn't have made it that much bigger to put the GB ecu in there.

Size is one issue, cost is also another.

[starchildskiss78]

That "Ice Blue" color is...just.....awesome.

I haven't had much motivation to buy a DS (finally bought a GBA to hook up to Animal Crossing for the Gamecube) but if I do buy one that's the color I want!

[THATinkjar]

Navy looks nice, but I'd be happy with the white. Would contrast the beautiful new screens the best, me thinks.

[meancode]

I like the navy blue one myself. But I just bought a DS :P

[stuffedmonkey]

I was really hoping for black myself. We have yet to see what colors will be announced for the US market though. Of the announced colors I would lean towards white.

[Teknik_SE-R]

um, I'm assuming you guys that are talking about color are referring to this thread (http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=ds&message.id=2166957&view=by_date_ascending&page=1)

oh, and i like red and green. white is cool too, but everything I have is monochromatic, so some color would be welcome

[THATinkjar]

um, I'm assuming you guys that are talking about color are referring to this thread (http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=ds&message.id=2166957&view=by_date_ascending&page=1)

Close. We're talking about the official colours of the DS Lite in Japan. Enamel Navy, Crystal White and Ice Blue!

[meancode]

I wonder if they will have different colors for the US release of the DS Light. I just might import it anyway, heh.

[Teknik_SE-R]

any pics or links? i tried searching on google but came up with nothing

[THATinkjar]

any pics or links? i tried searching on google but came up with nothing

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=919932#919932

[Teknik_SE-R]

DUH, I didn't see the link above the quote

that navy is pretty nice

[mikeetler]

I got a funny feeling this won't play GBA games...but judging from these photos...you can see a tab over the GBA port...or do you think that's just for the rumble pak that's normally bundled with the Metroid Pinball??

Here's some pictures Play-Asia emailed earlier today. The cover you see is just that, a cover for when a GBA cart / DS option pak is not inserted.

http://image3.play-asia.com/gallery/large/GA.00027.0005.jpg

Now the picture below bothers me. It appears that GBA carts / DS option paks will no longer be flush with the case, like the GB/GBC carts on the GBA/SP. If you look at the size of the GBA slot cover in the above picture, you can see it's shorter then a GBA cart.

http://image.play-asia.com/gallery/large/GA.00027.0006.jpg

[Julio III]

When I saw the pics that was the first thing that bothered me. GBA carts stick out of it. NO!!!! Why oh why.
Notice they've also changed the power supply from the SP/DS one to the Micro one. And also different headphone socket, possibly can plug in microphone headset?

[Leo_A]

If they stick out, why is that curved section cut out for?

I'm sure it doesn't, and they just didn't insert the cart fully. Though then you got to wonder how the cover is secured if it isn't inserted like a cartridge...

[Teknik_SE-R]

there's also no steps in the sides of the DSlite or the insert like the GBA carts have, but if you do some dimensional comparisons, the GBA cart is going in further than the depth of the white insert...

i.e. look at how far the gba cart goes into the socket. You can barely see the bottom of the nintendo logo, well if you look at how long the remaining portion of a gba cart is, that length is longer than the length of the insert. thsi omparison can be done by looking at the little square chunks taken out of the sides of the GBA cart and white insert...

conclusion...I don't know.

from the looks of it, a gba cart can only go in as far as the skinny part of it. once it steps up to be wider, i.e. the last 3/16" of the closed end of it, it can't go any further.

but I do get you on the curved cutout part in the DSlite... why have it, or have it that big, if it isn't made for the pullout tab on the gba carts?

[mikeetler]

Notice they've also changed the power supply from the SP/DS one to the Micro one.

Actually, according to Play-Asia, it's not even the same as the Micro AC plug. I was very surprised to see that.


And also different headphone socket, possibly can plug in microphone headset?

Didn't give it much thought, but a headset would be a cool idea. Could have been done with a standard headphone jack like some cell phone hands free sets though.[/i]

[DonMarco]

If they stick out, why is that curved section cut out for?

I'm sure it doesn't, and they just didn't insert the cart fully. Though then you got to wonder how the cover is secured if it isn't inserted like a cartridge...
The curved section might be to remove the cart-plug thingie. I don't see how you would remove it any other way.

Once I saw this picture (http://www.jeux-france.com/images14_4_14424.html), of the back of the unit, I was convinced that the stylus would intersect a GBA cart if both were in at the same time. And even if they didn't (and don't) it would be mighty close.

Edit: if you look at the bottom of the Lite unit to the beginning of the port, there is a 1mm depth or so. The tabs on the sides of a GBA cart wouldn't fit in them, so maybe the cart slides in as far as the side tabs. Which would still leave it out about 3-4mm. Which is less than the bottom image shows.

Edit two: The cart-plug thingie is called a "Connector cover" in Japanese. I just now noticed it. The second image says that the GBA cart will stick out 1mm from the Lite unit. Huh.

Hm.

[mikeetler]

Once I saw this picture (http://www.jeux-france.com/images14_4_14424.html), of the back of the unit, I was convinced that the stylus would intersect a GBA cart if both were in at the same time. And even if they didn't (and don't) it would be mighty close.

Yep, that picture of the back is the clincher. GBA games will stick out at least 1/4". Up until you mentioed the stylus, I couldn't figure out why it was done this way. Gotta wonder how they couldn't find a different place for the stylus.

[DonMarco]

CRAP CRAP CRAP!!1

I just looked at a GBA cart, and saw the groves on the back stop about where they do on the Connector Cover. Meaning that it would stick out like shown in the second image.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[THATinkjar]

I really doubt GBA carts will stick out, guys :)

[Cmtz]

I really doubt GBA carts will stick out, guys :)

Actually, it will stick out.

[THATinkjar]

I really doubt GBA carts will stick out, guys :)

Actually, it will stick out.

Anything official confirmed this?

[mikeetler]

I really doubt GBA carts will stick out, guys :)

Actually, it will stick out.

Anything official confirmed this?

Unless you can think of a way to pass the cart through the stylus, I think this should hold you over until the "official" confirmation.

http://www.videogameconnections.com/temp/dslite.jpg

So unless the new stylus length is half the width of a GBA cart, the stylus slot would prevent the GBA cart from going any further.

[THATinkjar]

Until I see it, I just don't believe it. It wouldn't make it possible to carry around the DS Lite with a GBA cart it in at all times, because it would stick out, get broken, etc.

It isn't the way Nintendo do things.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I do buy into the pictures above, but I'm just a bit stunned. We'll see.

[comrade]

I just pre-ordered my white DS Lite last night.

For anyone that is interested, here is one of the first DSL commercials airing in Japan.

EDIT: I couldn't get the avi link to work. So if you want to see it head on over to 4 Color Rebellion (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/) and check out the front page.

[Joker T]

I just pre-ordered my white DS Lite last night.

For anyone that is interested, here is one of the first DSL commercials airing in Japan.

.avi]DS Lite Commercial (http://home.megapass.net/~kdw0083/dslite_01_15[1)

Is it just me or is the link broken?

[comrade]

I just pre-ordered my white DS Lite last night.

For anyone that is interested, here is one of the first DSL commercials airing in Japan.

.avi]DS Lite Commercial (http://home.megapass.net/~kdw0083/dslite_01_15[1)

Is it just me or is the link broken?

Yup, sorry about that. I couldn't get it to work. I fixed the post so you can find it.

[comrade]

I just thought I would post a few new pictures of DS pornography for everyone. Especially Joker T and THATinkjar, since you seem to like this little device a lot. LOL

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/02/15/h-103_48745_bura4.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/02/15/h-103_48745_wan1.jpg.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/YellowJournalism/7editeurs20060215_143418_1_big.jpg

Some of my favorites. More can be found here (http://www.jeux-france.com/news14529_conference-nintendo-la-ds-en-ligne.html) and here. (http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/02/15/103,1139990282,48745,0,0.html)

[Joker T]

I just thought I would post a few new pictures of DS pornography for everyone. Especially Joker T, since you seem to like this little device a lot. LOL

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/02/15/h-103_48745_bura4.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/02/15/h-103_48745_wan1.jpg.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/YellowJournalism/7editeurs20060215_143418_1_big.jpg

Some of my favorites. More can be found here (http://www.jeux-france.com/news14529_conference-nintendo-la-ds-en-ligne.html) and here. (http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/02/15/103,1139990282,48745,0,0.html)

It's nice LOL

[DonMarco]

http://dontpressstart.com/upload/DS2_black.jpg
I want this one.

[comrade]

Yeah, it kind of sucks that the Lite isn't launching in black. Hey, Nintendo has to have a few colors to reward patient US citizens with. Am I right? :roll:

[THATinkjar]

Yeah, it kind of sucks that the Lite isn't launching in black. Hey, Nintendo has to have a few colors to reward patient US citizens with. Am I right? :roll:

Us Europeans will get the whole freakin' rainbow, then.

[comrade]

Yeah, it kind of sucks that the Lite isn't launching in black. Hey, Nintendo has to have a few colors to reward patient US citizens with. Am I right? :roll:

Us Europeans will get the whole freakin' rainbow, then.

God...I really want to make a skittles joke right now. Sadly, I can't think of anything witty enough to do so.

[petewhitley]

Ok, I just checked out the direct, real picture, in hand comparisons of the original DS and the DS Lite on Kotaku or something (too lazy to link). Meh. Honestly, it's quite a bit thinner, but other than that, it's really not that big of a change for me to grab my woman's DS and run to Gamestop and turn it in for the new one. Screen size really limits how much you can shrink this bad boy. That's a good and bad thing.

You can have your super mini-handhelds (i.e. Gameboy Micro), but you're going to sacrifice something. I view it like PDAs vs. Laptops. On the one hand you have your PDA (Gameboy Micro) that you can take anywhere and hide up your ass. But it doesn't do as much as you'd like. On the other hand you've got your Laptop (DS or PSP) that you have to lug around. But it can do some cool stuff that you can't do on your PDA. The DS just can't possibly get so small that I can hide it up my ass. Nor can the PSP. These redesigns are cool, and definitely the one to buy if you don't have one. But they aren't anything that's really so great that will make most early adopters run to trade-in. Color me unimpressed.

[comrade]

But it doesn't do as much as you'd like. On the other hand you've got your Laptop (DS or PSP) that you have to lug around. But it can do some cool stuff that you can't do on your PDA.

I was under the impression that the Lite can do everything else a regular DS can do. Other than the GBA games sticking out a little bit, what else doesn't quite match up?

[petewhitley]

But it doesn't do as much as you'd like. On the other hand you've got your Laptop (DS or PSP) that you have to lug around. But it can do some cool stuff that you can't do on your PDA.

I was under the impression that the Lite can do everything else a regular DS can do. Other than the GBA games sticking out a little bit, what else doesn't quite match up?

I was comparing the DS/DS Lite with other, smaller handheld platforms like the GBA Micro. The DS simply can't get that small due to screen size needs.

[Teknik_SE-R]

what can i say pete, if you want to be able to stick your portable gaming device up your ass, go with the micro.

but if you are a whore, you might want to go with the psp or DS or even a game axe, cuz they will be less likely to fall out LOL

i agree with you though on your points

[THATinkjar]

Check this out for a side-by-side comparison of the DS and DS Lite screens (http://www.ds-x2.com/index.php?id=4855)

Just wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

[Teknik_SE-R]

sweet finds. I'm definitely getting one now.

edit: deleted a rant

[Jean-Luc Picard]

The DS Lite... Naked ! (http://www.dstouch.com/article755p1.html) 8-)

[comrade]

Hands on impression via Kotaku (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/hands-on-ds-lite-review-155438.php).

http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/7editeurs20060217_152710_5_big.jpg

Also, Japan now has its DS Lite kiosks playable. More pictures (http://www.jeux-france.com/news14582_la-nintendo-ds-lite-jouable-au-japon.html) here.

Sweet god that screen looks good.

*QUESTION* If I buy from Japan, will I be able to charge the thing in my outlet? (US)

[DonMarco]

*QUESTION* If I buy from Japan, will I be able to charge the thing in my outlet? (US)
Japan is 100 and the US is 120. So yes, you could. You really shouldn't though.

For the 100% professional answer: go down to Radio Shack or a travel store and get something that will allow 120-100 conversions.

Final thought: if the volts is same as the DS, you may be able to just use a regular US DS AC adapter. Then again *cough*micro*cough* they may switch to a smaller port size. I don't see why they would, but it's a (maybe good) possibility. Go look at the pictures and you tell me. I don't own a DS.

[THATinkjar]

Final thought: if the volts is same as the DS, you may be able to just use a regular US DS AC adapter. Then again *cough*micro*cough* they may switch to a smaller port size. I don't see why they would, but it's a (maybe good) possibility. Go look at the pictures and you tell me. I don't own a DS.

Think they have. From what I have read (haven't looked for it in the pictures), the ac port is smaller and more Micro-esque. Hencer, new AC adapter.

[Hams]

Does anyone know if the digital tuner would work outside japan say in europe/australia/us ect

Sadly Nintendo has no plans of releasing it outside of Japan

How do these types of tuners work ?


Heres a section of the article KEJORIV posted:

"TOKYO - The Nintendo DS handheld video-game machine will work as a portable TV with a card equipped with a tuner and antenna that allows people to watch digital broadcast, the company president said Wednesday.

Nintendo said it has no overseas plans for the digital broadcast card but is considering offering the browser feature abroad."

[Muscelli]

Does the supercard SD work on the new sp, and do the roms run? (no, I am not a pirate! I am a little interested in that bunny game that supposeably teaches something a bit... special)

[Mattiekrome]

Wowzers, how'd I miss this thread :eek 2:

Sad to say, but it might be time to trade in the ol' trusty GBA "Classic" for one of those DS lites... Just the thought of the wifi and those bright screens is enough to make me second guess "ol' trusty"

[syzygy]

Hands on impression via Kotaku (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/hands-on-ds-lite-review-155438.php).

http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/7editeurs20060217_152710_5_big.jpg



To me this makes the DS look very cheap and fragile. I know
the DS is has a painted plastic cover but this white looks like
an unpainted model.

[Lozza]

http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/08/nintendo-ds-lite-live-shots/

[Teknik_SE-R]

Sad to say, but it might be time to trade in the ol' trusty GBA "Classic" for one of those DS lites... Just the thought of the wifi and those bright screens is enough to make me second guess "ol' trusty"

My wife just got me a SP2 and I love it. looks like my old GBC when it comes to brightness and colors. my GBA absolutely sux when it comes to the screen. I can see details when using my SP2 that I never knew were there. But the controls on my GBA are better than my SP2

BTW, I dont know if you know this, but the DS can only play DS and GBA games. no GB/GBC games.

I'm still searching for an afterburner for my GBA. The controls, IMO, are that much better to than my SP2 to warrant spending $40 on one. plus I want one anyway. otherwise my GBA is just going to sit in its ziplock bag for the rest of eternity

[Lozza]

Yeah, it kind of sucks that the Lite isn't launching in black. Hey, Nintendo has to have a few colors to reward patient US citizens with. Am I right? :roll:

http://www.jeux-france.com/images5_4_14529.html
He wanted a black one too.

[Teknik_SE-R]

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
I was thinking about that picture too. He doesn't look too excited about the release either. That's the Tendy president isn't it? To me, his expression instills a lack of confidence in the product.

or maybe he is pissed about all the press leaks. LOL

[THATinkjar]

Knowing Nintendo, the DS Lite was finished before the current DS design! He's probably seen it for the last two years, hence his lack of excitement.

[comrade]

I bet he wishes he was Shiggy.

[THATinkjar]

I bet he wishes he was Shiggy.

Why? I bet Shiggy doesn't enjoy his games half as much as we do! I'm glad I'm not Shiggy.

...

Who is Shiggy?

[hezeuschrist]

I believe he's talking about Shigeru Miyamoto, who oddly enough doesn't play any games.

[THATinkjar]

I believe he's talking about Shigeru Miyamoto, who oddly enough doesn't play any games.

Sorry, I did know. I just thought it would be funny to say Shiggy a few times, and then ask who Shiggy was.

Classic Shiggy-humour :S

[comrade]

He could also be shigsy, shiggeratu, shigsman, or shigsasauras-rex.

[THATinkjar]

Blimey! Reggie suggests a third DS design is possible/likely/a good conclusion to jump to (http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/20/the-engadget-interview-reggie-fils-aime-executive-vice-preside/) (second question).

[hezeuschrist]

Blimey! Reggie suggests a third DS design is possible/likely/a good conclusion to jump to (http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/20/the-engadget-interview-reggie-fils-aime-executive-vice-preside/) (second question).

Meh, I wouldn't count on it. I see the micro for the GBA system, but with the DS the touchscreen really prevents any more shrinking of the system. He hints at it, but it really doesn't seem plausible.

[comrade]

Blimey! Reggie suggests a third DS design is possible/likely/a good conclusion to jump to (http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/20/the-engadget-interview-reggie-fils-aime-executive-vice-preside/) (second question).

Meh, I wouldn't count on it. I see the micro for the GBA system, but with the DS the touchscreen really prevents any more shrinking of the system. He hints at it, but it really doesn't seem plausible.

I don't think that a redesign necessarily means a smaller sytem. They might just put it in a different shell or something. I am sure we are looking at a long road of DS designs. It's kind of what Nintendo does.

[comrade]

We got box art coming in people!

http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/7editeurs20060221_142626_1_big.jpg

http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/7editeurs20060221_142624_0_big.jpg

One more here. (http://www.jeux-france.com/news14623_le-packaging-japonais-nintendo-ds-lite.html)

[Teknik_SE-R]

ahh! i don't know if i can wait for a US release!!! AHHH!!! I"M TURNING INTO A FANBOY!!!!!!! @_@ @_@ @_@ @_@ @_@ @_@

[THATinkjar]

ahh! i don't know if i can wait for a US release!!! AHHH!!! I"M TURNING INTO A FANBOY!!!!!!! @_@ @_@ @_@ @_@ @_@ @_@

We knew this day would come, Teknik. Behold... something. Etc. And welcome. We love you. Nintendo loves you.

As a Nintendo fanboy, you are obligated to post a Nintendo-related comment every 30 seconds - all of which must be entirely positive. You must also purchase the same system a dozen times as we try out some new paint cans on them. Thanks!

[Lozza]

I got a funny feeling this won't play GBA games...but judging from these photos...you can see a tab over the GBA port...or do you think that's just for the rumble pak that's normally bundled with the Metroid Pinball??

Here's some pictures Play-Asia emailed earlier today. The cover you see is just that, a cover for when a GBA cart / DS option pak is not inserted.

http://image3.play-asia.com/gallery/large/GA.00027.0005.jpg

Now the picture below bothers me. It appears that GBA carts / DS option paks will no longer be flush with the case, like the GB/GBC carts on the GBA/SP. If you look at the size of the GBA slot cover in the above picture, you can see it's shorter then a GBA cart.

http://image.play-asia.com/gallery/large/GA.00027.0006.jpg

What? It's shorter as to not disturb the pins... The pic on the bottom shows the cart being partially inserted, not fully.

It isn't hard to make a GBA cart fit flush into a slot is it...

[Lozza]

There isn't any cons to importing a DS, so none of us should wait. You just have to either wait until the release of a US or UK or EU mains charger. Any will work. Or you can use a power conversion plug or a transformer (if you have one).

Does anyone know roughly the US release date (as I'm moving there this sun? I don't feel like waiting long, maybe just buy a Japanese one off Lik Sang.

[comrade]

Does anyone know roughly the US release date (as I'm moving there this sun? I don't feel like waiting long, maybe just buy a Japanese one off Lik Sang.

US release hasn't been confirmed yet. So far the only official thing we have close to one is "spring." My guess? The DS Lite will be released along side New Super Mario Bros. on May, 7th.


You just have to either wait until the release of a US or UK or EU mains charger.

So we can't use the charger that comes with it? Or it's 'not recomended?'

[THATinkjar]

What? It's shorter as to not disturb the pins... The pic on the bottom shows the cart being partially inserted, not fully.

It isn't hard to make a GBA cart fit flush into a slot is it...

I was thinking that at first, as well. It does indeed look like the GBA cartridge will stick out, though. Good thing I have a Micro, and don't use the DS for GBA games :)

[THATinkjar]

Does anyone know roughly the US release date (as I'm moving there this sun? I don't feel like waiting long, maybe just buy a Japanese one off Lik Sang.

US release hasn't been confirmed yet. So far the only official thing we have close to one is "spring." My guess? The DS Lite will be released along side New Super Mario Bros. on May, 7th.

Eurogamer are saying that Nintendo have denied the DS Lite will hit the UK in August. Which is a good thing. I think we'll see the DS Lite hit the US in late April/early May and then in the UK mid to late May/ early June.

[Lozza]

[quote]You just have to either wait until the release of a US or UK or EU mains charger.

So we can't use the charger that comes with it? Or it's 'not recomended?'

It depends where you live. Different countries have different electrical systems. Here in the UK at 240 only a fool would try plugging it in without proper step down converters. In the US I think it's 110, but someone else said 120... I wouldn't plug a 100 into a 110 socket and risk frying my DS.
At least in the UK every appliance is fused at the plug so any inconsistancy will blow the fuse not the actual appliance. I don't fuck about plugging foreign shit into sockets, I've seen what happens and unless you don't value your money then just be careful.

You will realise something is wrong if you smell burning silicon *hint*. LOL

[Teknik_SE-R]

HEY DON"T DIS THE NONTENDO DS JP CHARGER!!!! IT IS THE BEST ONE THERE IS EVARRRRRR!!! IT CAN HANDLE A KAJILLION VOLTS IF IT WANTED TO, SO THERE!!!!

sorry thatinkjar, i can't post every 30 secs, the dp server is being kinda slow right now. was that a good fanboy post?

in america its 110 to 125 VAC RMS depending where you are in the states and how far you are away from transformer etc etc.

IIRC actual maximum steady voltages are like 170 VAC and min are around 100, so you could be running on a constant 170 at your house for all you know. I don't know if my #s are correct, but my point is that the dif from 100 rms to 125 rms shouldn't be a big deal.

now for a plug converter... I have no idea what they use in JP. time for a search

Edit: jp power is 50Hz where US is 60Hz. that is where you may experience problems, although a DC converter should inherently be unbiased due to the rectifier. My effect longevity of the unit... this is getting over my head. I forgot most of my EE classes. I'll stop talking now

so the sp charger wouldn't work cuz the ds doesn't have a link port, right? how abour a universal charger or a DS1 charger? sorry if I'm asking stupid questions.

[THATinkjar]

sorry thatinkjar, i can't post every 30 secs, the dp server is being kinda slow right now. was that a good fanboy post?

Was I being sarcastic? No. Am I a Nintendo fanboy? Yes. Do I have a DS? Yes. Do I love my DS? Yes. Do I want a DS Lite? Yes.

I am a good fanboy!

[Teknik_SE-R]

As a Nintendo fanboy, you are obligated to post a Nintendo-related comment every 30 seconds - all of which must be entirely positive. You must also purchase the same system a dozen times as we try out some new paint cans on them. Thanks!
:eek 2: well this is on the verge of spamming!! :eek 2:
I guess i"ve got some work to do do be up to par with your fanboy standards, nintendo

oh, and this


sorry thatinkjar, i can't post every 30 secs, the dp server is being kinda slow right now. was that a good fanboy post?

was a legit question. I know you know your sh*t so i wanted you opinion? was that irrational enough to be a genuine fanboy post?

Oh and I don't deem you a fanboy. Youhave to be an ignoramous with a knowitall attitude and irrational train of though to be a fanboy. jsut cuz you have a huge collection of Tendy stuff doesn't make you a fanboy imo, it just makes you a hardcore collector :D

[THATinkjar]

You know, Tek, I've just got both our wires crossed for... er... both of us. Sorry! That comment you quoted, was indeed sarcasm. Just felt like throwing it in there... see if anyone enlarged their font to read it, which you did - because you are a 'THATinkjar fanboy'!

Anyway. I PM'd you to apologise for getting the wrong end of the stick.

I am a Nintendo fanboy, though. I am now, anyway. I'm slowly collecting DS - the saviour of gaming for me. And the Revolution seems to be all about fun, and I can't wait. Nintendo are really on the right track at the moment, and I'm just pleased to be apart of it.

Gushing, I know.

[Teknik_SE-R]

:sob:

well in spirit of staying on topic, I found this DS lite manual (http://joeljohnson.com/kotaku/dslite.pdf)

I hate spaced out release dates.

[Julio III]

Edit: jp power is 50Hz where US is 60Hz. that is where you may experience problems, although a DC converter should inherently be unbiased due to the rectifier. My effect longevity of the unit... this is getting over my head. I forgot most of my EE classes. I'll stop talking now


Huh? Japan is not 60Hz as far as I know. Its the UK and possibly the rest of Europe which is 50Hz. Japan is 60 as well as America. This is why a lot of people over here always complain (or used to more) about the games we get given. Unoptimised code left games running 17% slower. Thats when the Dreamcast came along with most games having a nice 50/60Hz selector switch so you can run games properly.

[Julio III]

Oh and as for power cords, for the DS/GBA you can get 3rd party ones such as this one (http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=278&products_id=3790&) which are multivolt adaptors. You can input 100-240V 50/60Hz and it outputs at the correct voltage/current for the GBA/DS. All you need for different territories is a standard adaptor to change from eg/Japanese to USA plug socket types. These work, I've charged my DS in both America and in England. So, I'm guessing that similar cables will be released for the DS Lite (a quick look on lik-sang showed that you can get them for the GBMicro as well)
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[comrade]

Ok, im just going on instict here, but I am pretty sure this (http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=273&products_id=26) would work for all of your converting needs.

[Teknik_SE-R]

Huh? Japan is not 60Hz as far as I know. Its the UK and possibly the rest of Europe which is 50Hz.

yeah, you are right, I don't know about plug types though

check this out http://maru-chang.com/hard/ntr/english.htm
it says the US/JP SP/DS charger is the same model number...does that mean they are the same part between jp and us? I gotta check my SP2 charger for its model number when i get home now.

[Lozza]

Ok, im just going on instict here, but I am pretty sure this (http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=273&products_id=26) would work for all of your converting needs.

That will work for the UK, not US or the rest of the EU

Good find none the less (if you need it).

All you need is a DS charger for whatever country you reside. The output is the same on every DS charger and the input for the DS console would be the same aswell. If you are desperate MAKE a charger by snipping and splicing the DS input to an adapter of the same specifications and with your countries voltage. Wouldn't bother me doing that. What would I do with a Jap charger anyway, other than swing it about as a weapon against people who don't understand voltages.

[Teknik_SE-R]

another interesting point is at the bottom of this (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-17-74-106-49-en.html)

[Teknik_SE-R]

All you need is a DS charger for whatever country you reside. The output is the same on every DS charger and the input for the DS console would be the same aswell. If you are desperate MAKE a charger by snipping and splicing the DS input to an adapter of the same specifications and with your countries voltage. Wouldn't bother me doing that. What would I do with a Jap charger anyway, other than swing it about as a weapon against people who don't understand voltages.
good point, sometimes the most obvious thing is the the hardest to see LOL. Ive made plenty of home made dc converters, why not for this one too? unless you are saying use a DS1 charger for a DSlite. that won't work, unless you do wome solering and heat shrinking. :D

...hmm perhaps importing isn't such a bad idea...

any other incompatabilities anyone can think of? perhaps WiFi frequencies are different?

[comrade]

Nah, you're cool with the whole Wi Fi thing.

[Teknik_SE-R]

ok ok ok

last link. this one (http://users.pandora.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm#plugs) is clear on the whole plug thing...
Thanks comrade (I sound like my friend from US^-1)
import away my fellow dp friends!!!

[Lozza]

And import we shall. 8-)

[Teknik_SE-R]

as you all may know, the navy blue and ice blue DS lites were having manufacturing difficulties and therefore shortages. WELL, it turns out the shortage was worse than projected...

my wife was trying to surprise me with a JP navy blue DS lite, but then Got an email saying supply was low, and prices were increasing to $199 so I had to decide whether or not to accept the price increase (of course I did) No indication of when I will get it now. they estimated they will receive shipments to fill all preorders on the colored DSs from 1 to 4 weeks...so that means a 2 to 6 week wait for me.

Oh well

here is the email. in it there are some links to news on the shortage:

Dear Riki Rushton,

This email contains important information about your Nintendo DS Lite preorder. Please reply so that we know how to process your order.

Nintendo DS Lite was formally launched in Japan today. While Nintendo published an annoucement on their Japanese web site overnight to apologize for the shortage, Japanese gamers were lining up already early in the morning to grab what was made available in Japanese retail stores.


Nintendo DS Lite Price Correction
---------------------------------

If you have been following videogame news in recent days, you will have realized by now that the demand for the Nintendo DS Lite is larger than what Nintendo can produce. After declaring production problems with the Enamel Navy and Ice Blue editions last week, Nintendo today published an announcement on their web site where they apologize for the shortage. Please read the following news for more information:

http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3812

Due to the huge shortage, any shop with Nintendo DS Lite systems in Japan can sell their complete stock within 23 milliseconds for a premium price. Most shops don't even have any systems. These very same shops in Japan also know that one quadrillion import gamers want their system at launch date (everyone does!), and that they can earn much more by taking a bit of risk and by shipping their units out of the country. This, coupled with the pricey services that the courier companies and middlemen offer for getting the units out of the country, results into a higher price than originally hoped for. We believe that this situation will continue throughout the month and until April.

Please reply to this email and let us know if we can apply the new price of US$ 199.90 to your order. To compensate at least a little bit for the higher price, we will include a $10 Lik Sang Cash Coupon into your parcel.


When Will Your Order Ship:
--------------------------

We can currently not answer that question accurately, but you should prepare yourself for a waiting period of several weeks. The shipping date of your console heavily depends on Nintendo's production schedule and we will keep everyone informed through updates on our web site. Again, please read the following article with more accurate details on the shortage and when orders can be shipped:

http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3812

Please especially note that even with the higher price of US$ 199.90, it may still take weeks until enough stock is available and your order can be shipped.


If You Want To Wait For A Lower Price:
--------------------------------------

We understand that you may be disappointed about the new price. Lik Sang would love nothing more than to ship all orders on release day, but unfortunately we are not in the position to do so. The price will definitely drop down, but to what level and how long it will take for that moment to arrive depends on Nintendo's production quantities and if the huge demand can be covered in a short time.

We will inform you of any price drops by email and you can then decide if you want your order to get shipped.

Should you decide to wait, we will definitely keep your preorder spot. We will also fully accept if you should decide to cancel. If you at any time decide to jump back on the bandwagon afterwards, we will put your order back into its original position in the waiting queue.


Please Reply With Your Decision
-------------------------------

To make a long story short, please simply reply with one of the following options:

(a) Apply the new price to your order and ship it once enough stock arrives.

(b) Keep your order and inform you of any price drops in the near future.

Should you decide to cancel your order, please feel free to do so fully automatically in your My Account section on the web site. Alternatively, you can also drop us a short note via reply to this email.

With best regards,

Your Lik-Sang Team

[Mattiekrome]

ok ok ok

last link. this one (http://users.pandora.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm#plugs) is clear on the whole plug thing...
Thanks comrade (I sound like my friend from US^-1)
import away my fellow dp friends!!!

Wow, kinda OT here, but that link was quite the informative peice of work *bookmarked* (why, I dunno...)

[CaryMG]

Somebody's in Japan right now standin' on line ta get one & reporting what's goin' on every half hour or so.

Click here ta read it > "Nintendo DS Lite" Japan Purchase UpDates" (http://www.kotaku.com/)


Later!
:) :) :)

[comrade]

I got the delay email today in class. My crystal ball is telling me that this wait will be far longer than Lik-sang predicts.

-On a side note-

I am lookng fucking hardcore for the 'cancel my order' button in the My Account section of Lik-sang and I am coming up with zilch. Could someone point me in the right direction for this?

Oh yeah, if I cancel, I get my money back, right? :roll:

[Cmtz]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

What was that again?

http://ds.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/9931_hundreds-line-up-for-ds-lit.jpg

[Abman]

Looks pretty cool. I will have to check that out. I most likely won't get one because I already have a DS but still it would be something cool to look at.

[Lozza]

I WANT ONE AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!

I feel like a crying brat in a toy shop.

[Teknik_SE-R]

I hear ya. I just got three DS games for my Bday, and I have no ds to play it on!

[petewhitley]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

What was that again?

http://ds.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/9931_hundreds-line-up-for-ds-lit.jpg

I think I'm missing your point. Are you trying to say that just because Japanese people lined up around the block on opening day that 13 million DSver.1.0 owners have gone and bought 13 million DSver.2.0? Uhh, no. And tell me Merlin, how exactly do you know that all those folks lined up have DSver.1.0 and are upgrading? It's a pretty picture tho'. x_x

[Lozza]

I hear ya. I just got three DS games for my Bday, and I have no ds to play it on!

I know what that is like, I bought 2 NGPC games off of ebay and recieved them before I got the NGPC. Secretly I played with the cases and games on their own like a toddler. :(

Please don't make fun of me.

[Teknik_SE-R]

If I made fun of you, I'd be a hypocrite.

I've been thinking about a ngpc. Never played one, never even seen one running. are they very cool?

I know I'll blindly get one someday. Seeing how I am obsessed with handhelds. still considering a n-gage too

reason why i ask if they are any good is cuz they are hella cheap at my local game stores, games are like 25 bucks for a three pack and the systems are like 30 bucks. they come in blister packs, like a repackged preplayed systems/games.

I proly won't get this thing till it is released in the US! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

[Lozza]

If I made fun of you, I'd be a hypocrite.

I've been thinking about a ngpc. Never played one, never even seen one running. are they very cool?

I know I'll blindly get one someday. Seeing how I am obsessed with handhelds. still considering a n-gage too

reason why i ask if they are any good is cuz they are hella cheap at my local game stores, games are like 25 bucks for a three pack and the systems are like 30 bucks. they come in blister packs, like a repackged preplayed systems/games.

I proly won't get this thing till it is released in the US! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

They have NGPC stuff in a games shop where you live!? The NGPC is the best handheld ever made! I imported mine from Japan. If you want I'll buy some games from you if you were to go to that shop and pick them up for me. PM if interested, please.

Buy one of these handhelds because they are getting more and more rare and one day they will be worth a fair bit, ESPECIALLY to a collector, so research, get the rare games. You'll love it.

[Cmtz]

Nintendo is about to sell 13 million more. I'm pretty sure anyone who has one will go out and buy the new one, unless they're poor. I'll have one the first day of launch in the U.S.

You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

What was that again?

http://ds.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/9931_hundreds-line-up-for-ds-lit.jpg

I think I'm missing your point. Are you trying to say that just because Japanese people lined up around the block on opening day that 13 million DSver.1.0 owners have gone and bought 13 million DSver.2.0? Uhh, no. And tell me Merlin, how exactly do you know that all those folks lined up have DSver.1.0 and are upgrading? It's a pretty picture tho'. x_x

Try reading your post. You, know where you say


You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

[petewhitley]

Try reading your post. You, know where you say


You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

But we earlier established that this was in reference to owners of the original DS upgrading and/or supplementing with DSLite. Long lines in Japan do nothing to indicate that current owners of a DS are buying this redesign. We can assume from previous hardware relaunches that most of these purchases are from first-time buyers.

[mills]

Not only will alot of current DS owners upgrade to the new one, I have a feeling that it will entice alot of people to jump on the DS bandwagon.

[Lozza]

Try reading your post. You, know where you say


You're high. 2nd system buys will be relatively insignificant, as they always are with a redesign.

But we earlier established that this was in reference to owners of the original DS upgrading and/or supplementing with DSLite. Long lines in Japan do nothing to indicate that current owners of a DS are buying this redesign. We can assume from previous hardware relaunches that most of these purchases are from first-time buyers.

If I had a DS, I would upgrade to a DS Lite... Would YOU?

[petewhitley]

If I had a DS, I would upgrade to a DS Lite... Would YOU?

It doesn't matter if you or I would; we're insane retro-collectors who represent about 1% of the gaming population (at the most). Regular Joe Gamer ain't gonna go buy a new system redesign when the one he's got works just fine. Hasn't happened before, won't happen now.

[NintenDk]

They weren't just lined up a block in Japan at that place in this pic. It was like around 3 blocks, down some stairs through some kind of tunnel system and around another few blocks. And as well average consumers who own a DS already either will or they won't buy a new DS regardless of what we type here -->