E3: NINTENDO (Revolution and more)

[PDorr3]

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[Famidrive-16]

So... any news?

[Kilik Kurosawa]

no but i smell meseta hunters afoot

[PDorr3]

we must wait until tomorrow for the press conference. I am anxious to know exactly what this thing does. I also predict it will be silver in color, just like the PS3.

[PDorr3]

no but i smell meseta hunters afoot

personaly its not about mesta, I will actualy give away all mesta I gain from these topics at the end of E3, I will think up of some mesta contest, dont worry :) Im not in it for the mesta 8-)

[Kilik Kurosawa]

no but i smell meseta hunters afoot

personaly its not about mesta, I will actualy give away all mesta I gain from these topics at the end of E3, I will think up of some mesta contest, dont worry :) Im not in it for the mesta 8-)

actually i was just joking around

[PDorr3]

no but i smell meseta hunters afoot

personaly its not about mesta, I will actualy give away all mesta I gain from these topics at the end of E3, I will think up of some mesta contest, dont worry :) Im not in it for the mesta 8-)

actually i was just joking around

NP LOL

Anyway back on discussion.
Since the revolution was announced to be backwards compatible with gamecube games, would that mean a similar controller to the current gamecube controller? Im guessing so...I mean for games like luigis mansion you pretty much need the same control setup.
This also means I am guessing it will not be virtual reality, as I am not sure as to how they original gamecube games would present themselves in this state.

[Famidrive-16]

Maybe they'll surprise us and have it E-Card reader compatible @_@

:roll:

[PDorr3]

this also makes me wonder wether or not the revolution is making the jump to wireless controllers or not, 360 and PS3 have both done the wireless idea, but My guess is a 75% chance of there being wires to support gamecube controllers, just my guess.

[Veepa]

no but i smell meseta hunters afoot

personaly its not about mesta, I will actualy give away all mesta I gain from these topics at the end of E3, I will think up of some mesta contest, dont worry :) Im not in it for the mesta 8-)

actually i was just joking around

NP LOL

Anyway back on discussion.
Since the revolution was announced to be backwards compatible with gamecube games, would that mean a similar controller to the current gamecube controller? Im guessing so...I mean for games like luigis mansion you pretty much need the same control setup.
This also means I am guessing it will not be virtual reality, as I am not sure as to how they original gamecube games would present themselves in this state.

Maybe they have the same conroller inserts, to where you can plug in a GameCube controller in if you want to play a GamCube game.

[SkiDragon]

Making a system backwards compatable doesnt limit it too much as far as innovation goes. It basically only needs no have at least as many buttons on the controller as the Gamecube. Although I am a fan of Nintendo, I hope they try to "blend in" a bit more with their competitors. Whatever "innovative feature" it has should either not be too strange, or be incredibly new and amazing. I like wireless controllers, but I dont like that to be the only option. There is no reason why it cant also have controller ports, perhaps hidden by a "flap" if appearances are a concern. Graphics arent everything, but they are to some people, so I hope Nintendo keeps up in that department.

[The Great Dane]

I sure hope that the controller isn't the one that has been floating around the net the last couple of days. The one I mean is the one that is actually two seperate controllers that you hold in each hand. This would a great idea for a couple of games, such as maybe a racing game or something similar, but it just wouldn't be very good for the majority of games I wouldn't think. Also, it would be pretty difficult to play Gamecube games with it.

[felix]

I would quote this entire thread, but im too lazy... so here ya go.. the answer to most of the questions above.


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http://onefed.com/media/NintendoON.wmv

[Dobie]

I would quote this entire thread, but im too lazy... so here ya go.. the answer to most of the questions above.


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http://onefed.com/media/NintendoON.wmv

That one has been confirmed as a hoax.

[felix]

SON OF A... :angry:

[poopnes]

I would quote this entire thread, but im too lazy... so here ya go.. the answer to most of the questions above.


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http://onefed.com/media/NintendoON.wmv

The Mario was the dead giveaway!!! =)

Color of the Rev? Silver...err I mean Platinum. Because the GC looks best in Platinum and it's probably sold the best using that color.

And wireless controllers? Of course. Standard. I think Nintendo has already confirmed this. Maybe the GC WaveBirds will work effortlessly with the Rev, thus solving the controller delima when playing GC games.

Now personally would like to see a GameBoy Player built in, but I'm not that lucky.

[robotriot]

http://gamecube.gaming-universe.de/news/2684.html

First pic?

[poloplayr]

Just saw that a couple of hours ago too. Pretty sleek.

[THATinkjar]

http://gamecube.gaming-universe.de/news/2684.html

First pic?

Holy moly Batman! That looks like the size of a CD-ROM drive! Blimey! How on earth have they made it that small and still contend with the next-gen specs we've been treated to this last week?

[robotriot]

It's not really scientific, but from I've heard, Nintendo said the Revolution will be about 3-4 times faster than the GC, while the new Xbox is 13+ times faster than the old Xbox and PS3 is 35x faster than the PS2 ... so it's probably not that hightech as the other consoles. Might be a good thing though, because maybe then the price point will be significantly lower than with the competitors ... we'll see ^^

[I Am Humanoid]

I want a PS9!

[hydr0x]

this also makes me wonder wether or not the revolution is making the jump to wireless controllers or not, 360 and PS3 have both done the wireless idea, but My guess is a 75% chance of there being wires to support gamecube controllers, just my guess.

eeeeeh

i has already been confirmed on friday i think that the Revolution will have wireless controllers ;)

[tylerwillis]

Wireless is good, but I agree with the sentiment to not lockout older style controllers with no ports.

[syzygy]

Maybe this topic should be stickified!

[GobopopRevisited]

http://img131.echo.cx/img131/6315/reg3bn.jpg

Reggie's excited about the Revolution! Here's hoping they actually show it (and here's hoping what they show is similar to that box on the German site!)

Can't wait!

[poopnes]

http://img131.echo.cx/img131/6315/reg3bn.jpg

Reggie's excited about the Revolution! Here's hoping they actually show it (and here's hoping what they show is similar to that box on the German site!)

Can't wait!

Don't make me do it....take your name. =)

That pic is real. IGN has some super high resolution shots now. It's small, but I'm not crazy about it. I wonder if you can turn off the blue light?

There was also some talk about downloadable games. Nintendo has their entire back catalog available to them, so I hope they use it. Charge a monthly fee for unlimited play to the classics, I'd subscribe. But then there's the whole issue of storage...

[PentiumMMX]

If I do get a Gamecube soon, then I can get my parents to buy me a NRev! All I have to tell them is "It's backward-compatible with the Gamecube", and then they will get me one! :D

Thanks, Nintendo! If you keep this up, you might actuly become popular again!

[Zubiac666]

I think that has been confirmed now to be true:

1) The design which is floating around the net(looks great IMO)
2) backwards combatible
3) DVD movies playback
4) wireless controller
5) free online service
6)
Revolution will offer broadband access to a free Internet-based player matching service, similar to Xbox Live, that also will have downloadable versions of nearly every Nintendo game — from arcade classic Donkey Kong through current titles such as Mario Sunshine. (Nintendo hasn't decided whether downloading(WTF? Mario Sunshine? current titles? holy crap....I AM SOLDSource (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/games/2005-05-17-revolution_x.htm?POE=TECISVA)
http://www.gameqube.nl/files/e3-2005-revolution-revealed.jpg

[WanganRunner]

If that's really what the Revolution looks like, that's awesome.

If there really is some big online service with access to Nintendo retrogames, i am completely sold, and that'd make me anticipate the Rev more than either PS3 or 360.

[Lady Jaye]

Well, now that Xbox 360, PS3 and Revolution's designs have all been revealed, all I can say is, welcome to the 21st century! :P

I still wonder what the controllers will be like, although IMO they could just go with a revised version of the Wavebird and that'd be fine with me.

And to think that not so long ago, Nintendo was dismissing online play...

[rbudrick]

What the hell is the white thing below it? A Dreamcast BB adapter? LOL


Nintendo has their entire back catalog available to them, so I hope they use it. Charge a monthly fee for unlimited play to the classics, I'd subscribe. But then there's the whole issue of storage...

That would be an incredibly good idea...built in emulation for all their old systems. Damn. The Revolution would sell like goddamn mofos...it really would be a revolution, and a hell of a way for Nintendo to use their online content in a way nobody else does.

-Rob

[downfall]

What I'd do if I were Nintendo is bundle an updated Wavebird (to match the new design) with the console package, alongside the new controller, whatever it may be. I think it would be easy for them to include compatibility for both, and with the backwards compatibility plus the fact that the Wavebird really sparked this top-notch wireless controller business anyway, it seems to be a no-brainer in my mind.

I just hope they feel the same way - it only makes sense, even if it's not included in a bundle.

[Oobgarm]

Hi-res pics from IGN are here:

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615030/imgs_1.html

[AMG]

We have 7 minutes to go until the Nintendo showing begins at E3!

The console does look very nice. Not as cool as a platinum Gamecube, but nice none the less. :)

[Ikari Warrior]

I'm sad it wasn't the Nintendo On. That thing looked revolutionary.

[THATinkjar]

Those high-resolution piccies of the Revolution are simply stunning. Really purty console. And I thought the PS3 was nice...

[Lemmy Kilmister]

http://gamecube.gaming-universe.de/screens/revolution.jpg

I love how they took a picture of a random disk floating in mid air. LOL It sort of gave me flashbacks of the action/horror movie "I come in Peace".

That being said, I love designs and "modern" looks of all the next gen systems thus far. It's also a plus that they'll all be smaller so they'll actually be some spare space on my shelfs for once.

[Jasoco]

It's all in the camera angle. It could easily be done. Take a pic that makes it look like it's floating, without actually having to Photoshop it. I could do it easily if I had a camera.

Anyways. I am impressed and blown away. But I have to go back to work, so I'll read more afterwards.

I can't wait to see GameStop get the DVD's in. I really want to see this years stuff. Last year it was all portables. Now it's the real things!

And for once, I can say I like all three. BUT, I must say I think Nintendo has won in terms of console simplistic design. Wow. Simple and elegant.

So, is Revolution the name? Or are they still thinking?

[Kilik Kurosawa]

Hi-res pics from IGN are here:

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615030/imgs_1.html


Anyone else think these pics look more like concept art? The hand looks real but the system looks modeled, something just doesn't look completely right.

[CreamSoda]

Hmm, that looks pretty interesting. All 3 of the new consoles look good so far! :)

But with that said, Dreamcast still has the best look!!! *Runs*

[poopnes]

So, is Revolution the name? Or are they still thinking?

I think they're going to keep Revolution. I'm OK with that. I've grown attached to it.

And the download service? Seriously. SOLD. 512MB internal Flash RAM?! SD cards. DVD/CD playback (with an adaptor, blah!!!)! I'm hyped.

Show me some damn games though.

[THATinkjar]

Coverage from the conference!!

http://cube.ign.com/articles/615/615089p1.html

[Dangerboy]

DOWNLOAD NES, SNES, AND N64 GAMES TO THE REVOLUTION.

And Mario DDR.

I....

I'm in tears....

I am so happy....

[tylerwillis]

Wow... if true, that would take a good potshot at Sony's touted 2400+ games (PS1 + PS2) available for the PS3. They would have to do it very well, making it seem that we were playing the original on the original system... but if done well... then the console is well deserving of the name "Revolution."

[YoshiM]

I'm usually not one to jump on a hype bandwagon but I gotta say, if all this is true, then WOW! Be able to download and play classic Nintendo games? THAT is going to be a big selling point right there, provided the games are inexpensive enough (especially if it's played online instead of downloading to memory). Free online gaming? Another big plus for people like me who like the option but don't play online enough to warrant paying for it ($50 a year isn't much but still).

I'm definitely keeping my eyes on the Revolution. Nintendo, make me proud!

[poopnes]

Well damn, I just went though all the trouble of uploading a pic of the GBA Micro and then I hit submit and my thread was locked!!! Argh. =)

Here it is:
http://webpages.charter.net/nes_marc/gbmicro.jpg

[PDorr3]

just got my first peek at it now, I am impressed at how small, sleek, and classy it looks, and cute!
I would have never guessed nintendo made that, and out of the 3 systems the revolution wins hands down in terms of design.

Now for the games...

[poloplayr]

Is this what my beloved Big N shows as a revolution?...I have not been this dissapointed and left saddened or dissilusioned since the launch of the N64.

[The-Bavis]

I want to be the first to start some new wacky theories since not all was revealed. Since we don't know anything about the superduper controllers and at the end Iwata says stuff about "touching his heart" and touching gamers' hearts, it is very obvious that each wireless controller will also have a heart rate monitor. Pretty cool, huh? It's certain to be as popular as that gameshow "The Chair".

</ridiculoustheory>

[PDorr3]

Well damn, I just went though all the trouble of uploading a pic of the GBA Micro and then I hit submit and my thread was locked!!! Argh. =)

Here it is:
http://webpages.charter.net/nes_marc/gbmicro.jpg

Wow, based on the scale from that GBA cart, that thing is sooo small! holy crap, that is the cutest handheld ever, I will definitly buy that, as long as it is below the $80 range, I love that thing.

[Gamereviewgod]

So wait, the best they can do to counter the PSP is to release a third, smaller GBA? That's really, really weak.

[THATinkjar]

They aren't trying to counter the PSP. Nintendo don't need to. Nintendo own the handheld market.

[evilmess]

being able to DL NES, SNES and N64 games sounds great but how long before we see a similar service for Sega's vast library of games from SMS to DC and on which console?

Also I'm wondering if and how much third party software will be available in the retro DL libraries.

We still have a year to go but so far I'm liking what Nintendo has shown so far.

[Nature Boy]

Is it me, or are there only pictures of this thing from the one angle? I don't feel like I've *seen* anything yet. It just looks like a box that they're supporting on an angle with a little stand.

If it's as backwards compatible as people are making it sound, I think it looks good on Nintendo for protecting their intellectual property (i.e. Roms) all this time.

[LensIrritant]

Does anyone else foresee the catalog of classic games having a huge impact on demand and prices of the original cartridges?

[PDorr3]

being able to DL NES, SNES and N64 games sounds great but how long before we see a similar service for Sega's vast library of games from SMS to DC and on which console?

Also I'm wondering if and how much third party software will be available in the retro DL libraries.

We still have a year to go but so far I'm liking what Nintendo has shown so far.

I just got done watching the press video, and when it was revealed that you could DL any nintendo game ever, I truly could not believe my eyes and ears!
Revolutionary indeed, how they will pull it off, and how they will go about selling, is beyond me, but all in all I think nintendo wins in innovation, I could not have seen this coming if I had 1,000 guesses.

The GBA Micro is a neat idea, and as he said, it offers the best quality screen on a handheld, it is also quite impressive as to its size. Sure it offers nothing groundbreaking, but if its at the right price (can you say $50?) I will be getting one for sure!

The new zelda game is.....strange....my friends and I had speculation that link was a wolf, and damn we were right! it looks a bit ridiculous at first, but I can see as to how this might play out (nightime = transformation).
Different? yes
Will it work? I hope...

Biggest suprise? Mario DDR, LOL !

Great stuff from nintendo

[WanganRunner]

Does anyone else foresee the catalog of classic games having a huge impact on demand and prices of the original cartridges?

Well, maybe a little bit. Given that emulation is already pretty widespread though, I'd guess not, as this is a less appealing option than emulation is.

The real question is.....what would original cartridge prices be like if there WAS no emulation? My guess is that they'd be through the roof....although it wouldn't much effect the prices of seldom-emulated stuff (i.e. Saturn).

[Julio III]

Game Boy Micro
2 inches by 4 inches
Backlit screen but smaller than the current GBA/SP one. Its not a new format so not competing against the DS but simply plays GBA, GBC and GB games. Apparentely its going to have interchangable faceplates.
One question though, are they still going to sell the SP? And, second question, how come Advance isn't in the name even though its the same format and not a new one. I'm not sure they need this as well as the DS but if this is cheaper than the DS I can see its advatages in being ultra-portable.

As for the Revolution, its tiny. Downloadable back catalgogue is nice. I wonder what the controller looks like and how powerful it is compared to the PS3 and 360. Free internet access is good also.

[PDorr3]

Game Boy Micro
2 inches by 4 inches
Backlit screen but smaller than the current GBA/SP one. Its not a new format so not competing against the DS but simply plays GBA, GBC and GB games. Apparentely its going to have interchangable faceplates.
One question though, are they still going to sell the SP? And, second question, how come Advance isn't in the name even though its the same format and not a new one. I'm not sure they need this as well as the DS but if this is cheaper than the DS I can see its advatages in being ultra-portable.

As for the Revolution, its tiny. Downloadable back catalgogue is nice. I wonder what the controller looks like and how powerful it is compared to the PS3 and 360. Free internet access is good also.

Agreed, price will be a big factor. If it is cheap it will be a big seller, and the most portable form of handheld systems. As small as the SP is it is still a LITTLE bulky in the pocket.

I was also most interested in how the controller would work, but unfortunately it seems we will need to wait longer for details on that. They have something up their sleeve though, something that nobody expects with the way we will be playing games...

[Drexel923]

Does anyone have the Nintendo Press Conference video up yet. I'm still waiting for IGN Insider to get their act together :/

[GrandAmChandler]

Eschewing its previous business ideas, Revolution will be online-friendly, and support a broadband gaming service similar to that of Microsoft's Xbox Live. Its most significant contribution to online gaming will be the ability to download Nintendo's entire catalog of NES, SNES, and Nintendo 64 console games. As for GameCube titles have the potential to be downloadable, though it's not clear whether the games will be saved to storage devices or memory cards.

I am also sold.

[boozi2]

Backward Compatibility.... All I can say.......

[Lady Jaye]

Does anyone have the Nintendo Press Conference video up yet. I'm still waiting for IGN Insider to get their act together :/

For free on Gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html

[calthaer]

I am nothing short of thrilled by this news. I was ho-hum about Nintendo, and got my PS2 first...but then when the GameCube came down in price, I was like - wow. It was like I rediscovered gaming with Metroid Prime.

NOW...the whole back-catalogue available? Biggest question: will River City Ransom for NES appear on the system, and can you play multi-player over the internet?

This just plain rules. I know which of the next generation systems I'll be getting. The other ones...? They'll have to work a bit harder to convince me. Batarangs and Halo 3 won't quite do it this time around.

[Ninja Blacksox]

Adavantage: Nintendo.

I've posed this question many times before:

Q: What's the one thing that Nintendo has that Sony and Microsoft do not?

A: History.

Nintendo FINALLY came to their senses.

Hopefully the Revolution will catch the tail-end of Hot Topic-inspired Nintendo nostalgia and ride it all the way to the bank.

I, for one, couldn't be happier.

FINALLY! A "BASEBALL STARS" THAT I DON'T HAVE TO BLOW ON!

-A Boy

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Being able to download older games to the Revolution is great and all. But seriously, who here doesn't already have their computer or Xbox filled to the brim with NES, SNES and N64 roms? It's a good idea, but do you seriously believe the typical Joe, let alone hardcore gamer is going to spend 1 to 2 dollars on a rom he can get for free or already has?

[Ikari Warrior]

^ I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Gamereviewgod]

I guess I'm alone in thinking this is useless, and they put on the most unimpressive conference of the group.

Instead of showcasing where they're going, they're showcasing where they've been. They failed completely at showing anything their new system will be capable of. To me this screams that they're out of ideas, banking on the older titles like they did with the Classic NES series. Good for buisness? Maybe. Good for gamers? Nope, I don't see it.

If I want to play older games, I'll either:

A: Play the cart.
B: Download the ROM off romnation.

Why would I pay money to buy a new console when I can already do its most hyped feature on my 5 year old laptop? I'm not even going to touch the Micro, already owning a GBA, a SP, and a DS. It's unnecesary. There are three ways to play your GBA games already, why add a fourth?

Edit: Now that I see the two posts above me, I guess I'm not alone.

[PDorr3]

I guess I'm alone in thinking this is useless, and they put on the most unimpressive conference of the group.

Instead of showcasing where they're going, they're showcasing where they've been. They failed completely at showing anything their new system will be capable of. To me this screams that they're out of ideas, banking on the older titles like they did with the Classic NES series. Good for buisness? Maybe. Good for gamers? Nope, I don't see it.

If I want to play older games, I'll either:

A: Play the cart.
B: Download the ROM off romnation.

Why would I pay money to buy a new console when I can already do its most hyped feature on my 5 year old laptop? I'm not even going to touch the Micro, already owning a GBA, a SP, and a DS. It's unnecesary. There are three ways to play your GBA games already, why add a fourth?

Edit: Now that I see the two posts above me, I guess I'm not alone.

All valid points, I agree with being able to DL roms, but to the casual gamer, do they even know Where to get roms? Can their computer handle emulation? do they even HAVE a computer? or even know what a rom IS?

I for one do not use roms, and I would pay $1 a game on the ones I would like to play on my tv, and not my computer on a keyboard.

Nintendo out of ideas? Maybe. But we still have yet to see what the revolution can do, until then I am behind them all the way.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

All valid points, I agree with being able to DL roms, but to the casual gamer, do they even know Where to get roms? Can their computer handle emulation? do they even HAVE a computer? or even know what a rom IS?

I for one do not use roms, and I would pay $1 a game on the ones I would like to play on my tv, and not my computer on a keyboard.

Nintendo out of ideas? Maybe. But we still have yet to see what the revolution can do, until then I am behind them all the way.

That just raises even more questions. Do you actually think the casual gamer gives a crap about downloading and playing old NES games? I don't. Most casual gamers I've talk to or showned pre PSX games to usally gives me the typical "this game sucks!! Halo 2 rules, dood LOL!" shit. Plus chances are that if you don't own a computer by now, then I seriously doubt you'll even bother downloading roms for it.

[Drexel923]

Does anyone have the Nintendo Press Conference video up yet. I'm still waiting for IGN Insider to get their act together :/

For free on Gamespot: http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html

Thanks :)

Just got done watching it...and it was ok. I'm a big Nintendo fan (even sometimes a fanboy I guess), but there was too much left out. No games shown for the Revolution...not even cutscene stuff. Heck, they didn't even show the controller...but this is the same company that made the wavebird so I'm not worried ;) I wonder if they will show more on the floor or not.

On the plus side...some the DS games they showed looked great, especially the new SMB...and I'm really pumped for a new Superstar Saga :D I'm liking the free online systems in place for the Rev and DS (just like Xbox 360). And of course the thought of being able to download all of Nintendo's back catalogue is awesome (even more so if it's free). And what might be the best news of all...WIFI SMASH BROS at launch :D

The Gameboy Micro looks nice...and I'm going to buy it (probably just to add to my GB collection). I hope the price is right.

In the end, I wish they would have shown more, but I think they are heading in the right direction. As it's been in the recent past, Nintendo has dissapointed many, heck they even do things that I don't like, but when it's all said and done, I've never been dissapointed with any of their systems. (Is that enough commas for you guys LOL) I don't see why the Revolution will be any different and I will buy it at launch.

[PDorr3]

All valid points, I agree with being able to DL roms, but to the casual gamer, do they even know Where to get roms? Can their computer handle emulation? do they even HAVE a computer? or even know what a rom IS?

I for one do not use roms, and I would pay $1 a game on the ones I would like to play on my tv, and not my computer on a keyboard.

Nintendo out of ideas? Maybe. But we still have yet to see what the revolution can do, until then I am behind them all the way.

That just raises even more questions. Do you actually think the casual gamer gives a crap about downloading and playing old NES games? I don't. Most casual gamers I've talk to or showned pre PSX games to usally gives me the typical "this game sucks!! Halo 2 rules, dood LOL!" shit. Plus chances are that if you don't own a computer by now, then I seriously doubt you'll even bother downloading roms for it.

this is true too, but some of the casual gamers might say "oh wow I can play the old mario! I miss that game after I sold my NES 8 years ago, sure I will pay $1 to play it again!"
All in all we still do not know exactly how they are handling this, so until they release specific charges we can not be certain on how to take this.

[joshnickerson]

I hate the fact that Nintendo's going to once again be taking a huge chunk of my paycheck this year LOL

[PDorr3]

I hate the fact that Nintendo's going to once again be taking a huge chunk of my paycheck this year LOL

no kidding, the next 2 years are going to be insane when it comes to next-gen gamers, we are gonna haveto dish out $800-1000 for the systems alone, well its time to get a job for me! LOL

[Kilik Kurosawa]

Being able to download older games to the Revolution is great and all. But seriously, who here doesn't already have their computer or Xbox filled to the brim with NES, SNES and N64 roms? It's a good idea, but do you seriously believe the typical Joe, let alone hardcore gamer is going to spend 1 to 2 dollars on a rom he can get for free or already has?

dude who would ever pay for music and download it to there computer when they could just bust out the radio and get it for free?

[crazyjackcsa]

On the rom subject: I'm not willing to go through all the hassle of numerous bad links, pop ups, compatibility problems, Frame rate issues and graphically glitches that ROMS are famous for. If they offer games for download at a decent price with none of that, you can beleive that I'd do it.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Being able to download older games to the Revolution is great and all. But seriously, who here doesn't already have their computer or Xbox filled to the brim with NES, SNES and N64 roms? It's a good idea, but do you seriously believe the typical Joe, let alone hardcore gamer is going to spend 1 to 2 dollars on a rom he can get for free or already has?

dude who would ever pay for music and download it to there computer when they could just bust out the radio and get it for free?


That's completely different and you know it. The main reason the Ipod and similar products sell so well is because you can store alot if not all your CD's into one miniature and portable device. Plus if you burn your own MP3's you don't have to pay a thing.

Look, I'm not saying that being able to download past Nintendo classic into one machine isn't a cool idea and that I'm not looking foward to the Revolution.. because I'm all for it. However, it's not as if these games weren't attainable before or anything, I mean alot of those roms you could download or transfer to a Microsoft machine or even a Dreamcast. I just don't see the big deal about it.

[Mac-Abre]

I have not watched the press conference but did they say every NES, SNES or N64 title or just the official Nintendo licenses specifically?

[PC-Famicom64]

I have not watched the press conference but did they say every NES, SNES or N64 title or just the official Nintendo licenses specifically?Every "Official" Nintendo Game. :D

[Avatard]

Heh, were you expecting bubble bath babes?

And personally I hate roms, they are aggrivating, my jump button keeps pausing them, and save states are for cheaters LOL . This new way to play them looks great even though I own most of the ones I want to play anyhow.

[Goblin]

I'm actually rather impressed with Nintendo. I don't think that will be the number 1 player during this next cycle, but with the size of the revolution I think they have got a decent chance to be number 2. I think many will buy it for the cute factor, and if it's truly backwards with all the old systems then the nostalgia buffs will pick one up too. How many no-gamers picked up Atari Flashbacks on an impulse. I can see the nostalgia factor psuhing many mainstream buyers towards Nintendo.

[PC-Famicom64]

Heh, were you expecting bubble bath babes?Heck No! >_<

[Griking]

Does anyone else foresee the catalog of classic games having a huge impact on demand and prices of the original cartridges?

Yeah, big time. I say everyone should quickly run out ans sell off all their NES and SNES carts before the crash. :D

Actually, I don't see that much of an impact. The people who pay big money for games like Stadium Events, Flintstones 2, Cheetahmen 2, etc... don't do so just because they want to play the games, they want to own the original cart

[evilmess]

it may not be to "smoking gun" we were all hoping for but I could imagine downloading some golden eye and playing that with my son or even having mario kart 64 installed for my son and his friends who play it all the time anyway. this is not something you can easily or comfortably do on your pc in most cases.

another scenario would be to have tetris or some other classic installed for my wife who doesn't have any interest in sitting at the pc and firing up some emu and playing roms.

the download feature is a nice added value to the revolution and a convienience no matter what your gaming level is.

One nintendo console (with wireless controllers) instead of five (each w/ wired controllers) on the family tv will be very appealing to quite a few gamers. yeah I like that idea very much. :P

[Griking]

Being able to download older games to the Revolution is great and all. But seriously, who here doesn't already have their computer or Xbox filled to the brim with NES, SNES and N64 roms? It's a good idea, but do you seriously believe the typical Joe, let alone hardcore gamer is going to spend 1 to 2 dollars on a rom he can get for free or already has?

I'd say that the average person doesn't want to be bothered with having to mod their Xbox to play emulators. Besides, classic collections like the Activision and Midway ones still sell well despite the fact that you can play the games on an emulator.

I don't understand all the criticism about this. The way I look at it is that giving the Revolution ability to play older games probably doesn't cost anything extra for Nintendo but it has the ability generate tons of extra revenue for them. And for those who don't want to play old games simple, don't download them. I'm sure that there will be plenty of new games to keep you occupied.

[Wavelflack]

Is this supposed to be one of the revolutionary aspects of the system? This is a software concept. What does this have to do with the hardware whatsoever?

I guess it's a nice extra, but I personally have access to all of the Nintendo back catalog that I will ever want. That's the game collector speaking. As for everyone else? I can't imagine why someone would spring for a new console in order to play games from older consoles.

The machine is going to have to stand on it's own merits and let the catalog be a little bonus. If they hope to use that as a selling point...hoo boy.

[Drexel923]

Is this supposed to be one of the revolutionary aspects of the system? This is a software concept. What does this have to do with the hardware whatsoever?

I guess it's a nice extra, but I personally have access to all of the Nintendo back catalog that I will ever want. That's the game collector speaking. As for everyone else? I can't imagine why someone would spring for a new console in order to play games from older consoles.

The machine is going to have to stand on it's own merits and let the catalog be a little bonus. If they hope to use that as a selling point...hoo boy.

I don't think anyone is saying that this is the "Revolutionary" part of the system. The problem is that Nintendo only showed the console itself and mentioned maybe 2 features (not even in detail)...no controller, no games, no in depth review. We really have no idea what this systems can or cannot do. Unfortunately it's all still speculation, even at a time (E3) when things are supposed to be made known.

That aside...I think the stuff they have said so far about the system is all good...we just need to hear the rest of the story.

[Anthony1]

first, I just want to say that I've always been a huge fan of Nintendo. My mom bought me a NES back in the day, I bought a SNES the day it came out, got a N64 the day it came out, got a GameCube the day it came out. So I've always been a pretty big fan of Nintendo.

In fact, my favorite system of all time is the Super Nintendo. I have more games for the SNES than any other system. I imagine that I will be playing my SNES till the day I die.



Now, having said all of that, let me comment on this Nintendo press conference:


Nintendo is lost. They don't have a clue. You would think they would have learned from all of their countless mistakes, but it seems like they are just so damn stubborn and they still think they are running things in this industry. But they aren't. They haven't controlled the industry since the NES. They were very powerfull in the SNES days, but they were basically neck and neck with Sega and they weren't in control of the industry like they were in the NES days. In the NES days it was total domination and they ruled the Industry with an Iron Fist. Then came the N64 and the horrible decision to stick with the cartridge format. Then they come out with the Cube and again they go with a proprietary format and incredibly weak 3rd party support.


The bottom line is that the Nintendo that is currently running things, is a Nintendo that I don't know anymore, and I can't understand anymore. They keep putting out the same old crap over and over and over.

Again, I don't want people to get this twisted. I'm a huge fan of Nintendo, or at least I was a huge fan, and the SNES is my favorite system of all time. If you look at my top 10 games of all time, I would say that 6 of the 10 are games made on Nintendo systems, and most of those 6 are games made by Nintendo themselves.

But they have dug their own grave and completely jumped in.

They suck.

[Famidrive-16]

Am I the only one impressed by Battalion Wars? That game looks great, and I'm glad they changed the name.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

I'd say that the average person doesn't want to be bothered with having to mod their Xbox to play emulators. Besides, classic collections like the Activision and Midway ones still sell well despite the fact that you can play the games on an emulator.

I don't understand all the criticism about this. The way I look at it is that giving the Revolution ability to play older games probably doesn't cost anything extra for Nintendo but it has the ability generate tons of extra revenue for them. And for those who don't want to play old games simple, don't download them. I'm sure that there will be plenty of new games to keep you occupied.


I guess so.. but it still isn't the "Revolution" I had in mind. I thought that maybe Nintendo would try something innovative or exciting like with the DS or Virtual Boy, but instead it just gives you the opition to download old games which I'll probably be able to do with the other 2 new systems anyways.



The machine is going to have to stand on it's own merits and let the catalog be a little bonus. If they hope to use that as a selling point...hoo boy.

Exactly. Maybe it'll impress people for now but I don't really see this taking off.


But they have dug their own grave and completely jumped in.

They suck.

I think you're jumping the gun a little here. Yes, maybe the backword compatibility isn't what you had in mind, but I have no doubt that Nintendo will deliver another high qulity system and games.

[Anthony1]

Yeah I know my comment about ...


They Suck.


Was a little over the top, I mean I do love Nintendo, at least Nintendo of the past, but man was I dissapointed in their press conference. I was really hoping that Nintendo would come out of nowhere and make a huge comeback into the industry, (from a home console standpoint) but it definitely looks as though this isn't the case.

Their system looks like a freaking cable modem or external harddrive or something, not very good in my opinion. It does look small, and I guess that's a good thing, but where is the video of upcoming Revolution games? Where is the controller?

I was expecting to see pics of Revolution games all over the internet today, but that didn't happen. I wonder if their system is actually even ready?


As for their tiny GameBoy, that will be great for anybody under the age of 8, or if you have the smallest hands in the world, but for anybody else, I just don't see it. I will probably get one for my 5 year old though.

[joshnickerson]

But they have dug their own grave and completely jumped in.

They suck.

Ya gotta love the optimism of these "fans". LOL

[PDorr3]

Am I the only one impressed by Battalion Wars? That game looks great, and I'm glad they changed the name.

I am also glad they changed the game to RTS format as well. I like strategy games, but I feel more involved when I can actualy control my troops in real time.

I wonder how they will work out controller issues with dealing with older nintendo systems. How will we play n64 games on this system ? with what controller?

[Wavelflack]

Drexel: This is what seems to be generating the most discussion, and very little seems to be of the critical variety.

I was personally excited when rumors of a VR enabled system were floating about. I suppose this has not been categorically discounted by Nintendo, but I would think they would want to blow everyone's socks off with their "revolutionary" aspects. If they feel that the catalog plan is worthy of inclusion in their press releases and statements, then they must feel it is a highpoint of the system.

Besides, I'm starting to feel like this is the ultimate Nintendo rehashing plan.

(Nintendo suit)--"Okay! Now, you are probably familiar with our corporate strategy of expoiting past successes in order to overcome our recent lack of innovation. To this end, you will develop the following products for our next console:
Mario Party 8
Mario Golf 3
Mario Tennis 3
Mario Bowling
Mario Jai Alai
Mario Candyland
Metroid 3
Zelda 12
Clu Clu Land 2
Ultra Mach Rider
Kirby's Suck Off
Super Teleroboxer"

(Nintendo R&D)-- "Goddamn, man. That's a lot of work. It's not just the effort of making 3D versions, but also having to fool yourself into thinking you haven't completely reused the storyline and mechanics from the OLD game. That's a full time job."

(Nintendo suit)-- "Fine, then. Why don't YOU come up with something new?"

(Nintendo R&D) *chuckles*

(Nintendo suit)-- "Alright then. Any other brilliant thoughts?"

(Nintendo R&D)--"Fuck it. Why don't we just upload the old games into a big-ass server and let them buy 'em again? This 'new' thing is a fucking hassle."

(Nintendo suit)--"Not bad."

[Drexel923]

Drexel: This is what seems to be generating the most discussion, and very little seems to be of the critical variety.

I was personally excited when rumors of a VR enabled system were floating about. I suppose this has not been categorically discounted by Nintendo, but I would think they would want to blow everyone's socks off with their "revolutionary" aspects. If they feel that the catalog plan is worthy of inclusion in their press releases and statements, then they must feel it is a highpoint of the system.

Besides, I'm starting to feel like this is the ultimate Nintendo rehashing plan.

(Nintendo suit)--"Okay! Now, you are probably familiar with our corporate strategy of expoiting past successes in order to overcome our recent lack of innovation. To this end, you will develop the following products for our next console:
Mario Party 8
Mario Golf 3
Mario Tennis 3
Mario Bowling
Mario Jai Alai
Mario Candyland
Metroid 3
Zelda 12
Clu Clu Land 2
Ultra Mach Rider
Kirby's Suck Off
Super Teleroboxer"

(Nintendo R&D)-- "Goddamn, man. That's a lot of work. It's not just the effort of making 3D versions, but also having to fool yourself into thinking you haven't completely reused the storyline and mechanics from the OLD game. That's a full time job."

(Nintendo suit)-- "Fine, then. Why don't YOU come up with something new?"

(Nintendo R&D) *chuckles*

(Nintendo suit)-- "Alright then. Any other brilliant thoughts?"

(Nintendo R&D)--"Fuck it. Why don't we just upload the old games into a big-ass server and let them buy 'em again? This 'new' thing is a fucking hassle."

(Nintendo suit)--"Not bad."

Well if your just realizing this now, I think you've been blind too long.

Nintendo, just like Sony and Microsoft, are 90% about the sequals and rehashes. Look at the games announced so far for the Xbox 360 launch and the PS3...Metal Gear, DMC, Ghost Recon, Gran Turismo, GTA etc. I don't really see much of a difference between the pumping of those franchises and the tons of Mario games, except that Mario has been around longer so of course he has more games.

And I still think your missing the point on the downloadable stuff...I don't think it's Nintendo's selling point for the console...I look at it the same way I approach Xbox 360's Arcade feature, where you basically download old arcade games or solitaire...it's a bonus.

But let me say again that I do think Nintendo should have shown/told us more. Not sure if it was technically possible, but it would help clear up this confusion on why we should actually give a damn about the Revolution. (of course like I said I'm still buying it :))

[Crush Crawfish]

I'm so incredibly, ridiculously excited for the revolution! It's the only one of the new systems that has gotten me interested. I love the idea of being able to download old games, but I wonder if it will be all the releases for the systems or just nintendo's games? Wouldn't it cost quite a bit of money to license all those games for distribution?

The whole free online thing is another excellent move. Oh, and after hearing that wi-fi smash bros. will be a launch title, I AM SOLD!!!! :D

Now, I wonder what the controller will look like...perhaps it will be the most revolutionary component of the revolution? Time will tell, I suppose. The anticipation is killing me!! @_@

[PDorr3]

I'm so incredibly, ridiculously excited for the revolution! It's the only one of the new systems that has gotten me interested. I love the idea of being able to download old games, but I wonder if it will be all the releases for the systems or just nintendo's games? Wouldn't it cost quite a bit of money to license all those games for distribution?

The whole free online thing is another excellent move. Oh, and after hearing that wi-fi smash bros. will be a launch title, I AM SOLD!!!! :D

Now, I wonder what the controller will look like...perhaps it will be the most revolutionary component of the revolution? Time will tell, I suppose. The anticipation is killing me!! @_@

I would guess the controller is why it is named the "revolution". Nothing to show of it, so it must be something HUGE.

[Wavelflack]

I've realized this since about 1993 (concerning Nintendo), but I guess I assumed a "revolution" would try to buck the trend.

I understand the point of the back library availability, and I also would equate it to Xbox arcade. I don't remember MS ever holding a press conference, touting their arcade as a selling point or even something to brag about.

I get the feeling that some of the starry eyed people around here would find something/ anything about the machine to get excited about, even if it had to be the shape of the eject button or the brand of dielectric grease used inside. Gotta have higher standards.

[Drexel923]

I understand the point of the back library availability, and I also would equate it to Xbox arcade. I don't remember MS ever holding a press conference, touting their arcade as a selling point or even something to brag about.

They do in their E3 conference they held last night. Maybe not as much as Nintendo but they still mention it.


I get the feeling that some of the starry eyed people around here would find something/ anything about the machine to get excited about, even if it had to be the shape of the eject button or the brand of dielectric grease used inside. Gotta have higher standards.

Of course everything is always different for everyone. Like I said before, at the end of each cycle, I can say that I've never been dissapointed with a Ninendo system...sure there were certain things that bugged me, but some people absolutely hate them. Thats fine...no problem if you or anyone feels that way.

And of course there are some blind fanboys out there that will try and find the smallest thing to justify a Nintendo system being the best, but I don't think there are a ton of us here. I'm not going to repeat the reasons why I think the Revolution is "shaping up" to be a good console, but I will say once again that all of us need to give it some more time, and get some more details first.

[AFGiant]

Whatever Nintendo does I will support them 100%. But as of right now, I've got so much gaming backed up that I can barely follow the coverage, let alone think about playing these games. I need about, say 20 more hours in each day! Yeah, that'd be nice. I like the idea of downloadable libraries. It offers opportunities to play old games without roms (which I do not and have never used) and to discover old gems that you've past over before. Also I like the look. Way to go, Big N!

[Sanriostar]

I wonder if there's a way to talk N into making the original arcade games availible, using thier original code: not the NES versions...

[Sanriostar]

"Pay no attention to the double post behind the curtain!"

[evilmess]

first and foremost i buy nintendo hardware to play nintendo software. nintendo even claims that they are a content company.

their hardware is only a means to play their content.

right now i'm leaning toward the ps3 as my first console of the next generation but nintendo is a really close second and they haven't even given out all the details about the revolution but it's their past, present and future content properties that have me so intrigued and ready to buy a revolution.

[grayrobertos]

Boys boys boys, calm down eh. This isnt all the rev has it was just anounced in this press conference in a pre e3 conference. FS They said there was secrets to be revealed. The console is a year away. We have not even seen the two revolutionary features yet LOL

I really think people would flame nintendo if they made the console 10GHZ out of solid gold and sold it for £10, and wen you played it, you got free money for being so cool at video games.

[Goblin]

Any thoughts on the Game Boy Micro? While not really "new" I think this thing is great, and will probably go out and pre-order one. I've never done that with a piece of HW, although I did pick up the original GBC on the first day.

I hate the look and feel of the SP and stuck with my original after burner moded GBA. Now I'll be able to give that a break. My only fear is that maybe this thing is too small and might hurt to hold after a while.

[Bratwurst]

Any thoughts on the Game Boy Micro?

Until I see one in person to consider otherwise I'm disappointed that the screen is going to be even smaller than before. My eyes aren't the best and I had been holding out against getting an SP -knowing- that Nintendo would cough up another Gameboy iteration. If it runs on standard batteries unlike the DS and SP which have proprietary pieces, it'd be more appealing.

[Drexel923]

If it runs on standard batteries unlike the DS and SP which have proprietary pieces, it'd be more appealing.

Sorry to dissapoint, but its also a built in rechargeable battery in this one.

There'd be really no room for batteries...according to IGN the unit is only 4 X 2 inches with about a 1 in depth.

[grayrobertos]

why wud u want baterys?

[YoshiM]

Boys boys boys, calm down eh. This isnt all the rev has it was just anounced in this press conference in a pre e3 conference. FS They said there was secrets to be revealed. The console is a year away. We have not even seen the two revolutionary features yet LOL

I really think people would flame nintendo if they made the console 10GHZ out of solid gold and sold it for £10, and wen you played it, you got free money for being so cool at video games.

Yep, everyone is getting their underoos in a wad because of self-developed hype. People seem to have generated such high expectations of Nintendo that they set themselves up for disappointment, no matter what cool things Nintendo offers up. Are these the same people who kinda got burned with connectivity (hmmmm...I think a "told you so" is almost in order)?

Does it matter that Nintendo isn't building the Revolution spec-for-spec equal to or better than the others? Are people still brainwashed over the concept of the past of "more bits is better" or "blast processing"?

Personally I'm very interested. I'm not a Sony supporter and the Xbox 360 really hasn't grabbed me at all so the promise of something "new" in control, a lot of stuff built in for GAMING (512MB storage, wireless network, etc. I could care less about DVD playback and such) and the ability to acquire games from the past definitely has my attention.

[goatdan]

A few comments:

Nintendo uploading their entire gaming catalog is a bad thing?!? Hunh? If case people haven't noticed, Nintendo is known for remaking and repackaging games. Lets see here... There was the NES classic series for the GameBoy Advance, Super Mario Brothers DX, Donkey Kong Country, and so on. Those series all did very well, so Nintendo keeps making them.

Most people would rather not deal with emulation. Hell, I would rather not deal with emulation. I like the feel of a controller, and I like my TV. I bought games like the Atari Anniversary Collection just because I could play them there, even though I could download emulators for free. I would be happy to pay a couple bucks to download Super Mario Brothers 3 so I didn't have to bust out my NES every year to play it.

And if you don't want the games, you don't have to have them.

Personally, it sounds like a win-win situation.

Just as clarification too, I am pretty sure that this will only be for games that Nintendo themselves produced and published. So we'll get things like Excitebike and Earthbound, but we won't get things like Mortal Kombat and Turok. At least, that's what it seems like it will be to me.

Personally, I think Nintendo's press conference was one of the most impressive ones. They haven't shown their whole hand yet, but it seems like they are on their way. If their free online services rival Xbox Live, then Microsoft is going to have a really tough time selling Live to gamers for a price.

It will be interesting...

[Avenger]

i have 2 things to say about the revolution and excuse me if they have already been said, but hell, this topic is 5 pages already....

They are both about the downloading Roms:

1. Unless Nintendo is REALLY REALLY stupid, the Roms will be free...They KNOW its possible to download them free for PC, and Xbox,(with a modchip) and soon to be on the psp for free also...so FREE ROMS is the only way to go, a dollar a game is too much for something that the people who actually care enough to want these games, ALREADY HAVE. This is just a great idea they are throwin out here but it needs to be free or it won't work.

2.Im a bit conserned because these E3 people are all about the wording...he said Nintendos catalog of games from NES SNES and N64....does that mean only the Nintendo released games, or EVERY game released for the system...if its every game (im not sure about this) wouldnt they have to, for example, pay RARE to have the Goldeneye Rom...etc...etc...

this is just my opinion....all in all i LOVE the idea, but im not deleting my ROMS yet until i get more facts here...

[Daniel Thomas]

I'm sure that if Nintendo's idea of downloading old games proves a success, other publishers would follow suit. The first thing I'd want to get is Contra and River City Ransom from the NES.

The question, then, is what happens to the games published by now-defunct companies? I'll take it as a given that Tengen Tetris is out of the picture.

More questions: will we have to pay? The romantic in me likes the idea of endless free games from yesteryear, but Nintendo's most likely going to charge for it. Does Revolution have a hard drive for storage, or is that what the flash memory is for?

Apparantly, tomorrow's the day when all the big surprises come due. Controllers, hardware details, videos of upcoming games. Will it live up to the hype? Perhaps, although as of now, I'm much more interested in wireless DS games.

[Gamereviewgod]

Nintendo uploading their entire gaming catalog is a bad thing?!? Hunh? If case people haven't noticed, Nintendo is known for remaking and repackaging games. Lets see here... There was the NES classic series for the GameBoy Advance, Super Mario Brothers DX, Donkey Kong Country, and so on. Those series all did very well, so Nintendo keeps making them.

The big problem here is that Nintendo blew their press conference and the biggest thing to come out of it is a prototype system that, considering they showed zero new game footage, is a system that as of right now, only plays games you can download for free. Their other announcement is another Game Boy Advance making it the fourth console that can play the same games.

Where as Sony showed off amazing game footage that makes you think what it could be like and Microsoft is trying a unique online service, Nintendo is banking on Super Mario on the NES to carry them through this E3. That's just stupid.

[Gamereviewgod]

Also, there's no way they're going to offer every game. They can't get the licenses to a good chunk of games. What about all those Spiderman games? Movie based games? There's a sizable chunk gone right there. There's no way around the legality of this. It's a pipe dream. First party games: No problem. Everything else: Probably ain't gonna happen.

[goatdan]

I really doubt these ROMs will be free. Otherwise the Revolution will be a revolution for having the lowest software sell-through rate ever in the history of consoles. If I could get every GameCube game on the Revolution for free, why bother buying one ever again?

There will be a cost associated with it. It is up to Nintendo to decide if it will be reasonable or not.

[Griking]

Nintendo uploading their entire gaming catalog is a bad thing?!? Hunh? If case people haven't noticed, Nintendo is known for remaking and repackaging games. Lets see here... There was the NES classic series for the GameBoy Advance, Super Mario Brothers DX, Donkey Kong Country, and so on. Those series all did very well, so Nintendo keeps making them.

The big problem here is that Nintendo blew their press conference and the biggest thing to come out of it is a prototype system that, considering they showed zero new game footage, is a system that as of right now, only plays games you can download for free. Their other announcement is another Game Boy Advance making it the fourth console that can play the same games.

Where as Sony showed off amazing game footage that makes you think what it could be like and Microsoft is trying a unique online service, Nintendo is banking on Super Mario on the NES to carry them through this E3. That's just stupid.


Translation: You think that Nintendo sucks and Sony walks on water. :roll: I suppose we're not trying to be at all partial any more, are we?

Are for the Nintendo rom thing, this is just my opinion but if I had to guess I'd guess that Nintendo would create some sort of subscription based payment system. I dont believe that the roms will be free but at the same time I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to have to process a zillion $.50 and $1.00 credit card transactions either. They'll probably be bundled in with some other content that you can download from their servers and demand a $20 or so a month subscription.

[Gamereviewgod]

Yeah, that's it.

No. I own a 'Cube. I own 2 GBA's. I own a DS. The simple fact is Nintendo blew their chance. They showed me, as a die hard gamer, absolutely nothing as to what they're going to provide me with in this generation other than 20-year old games I already own.

Sony did exactly that and did it in a big way, simple as that.

What came from Nintendo? A fourth GBA and the ability to play games I already have, likely own, or can get elsewhere. Big deal. Either show your hand now or lose. Their conference came off as so secretive (sp?). Everytime a big announcement was made, from Miyamoto's new game to the controller, it was :

"But not right now."

You get one shot a year at this. 360 will be playable on the show floor. Sony showed the most amazing graphics demo ever. Nintendo shows me Mario Bros. on the NES. That's stupid.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Translation: You think that Nintendo sucks and Sony walks on water. :roll: I suppose we're not trying to be at all partial any more, are we?


That is hardly the case. Look, I'm sure Gamereviewgod and Wavelflack are both hardcore Nintendo fans and have been for years, hell I am too. However, I really can't justify what's so great about about being able to play roms on the revolution. Especially if you have to pay to actually play them. Call me jaded about it if you want but I'd rather spend money on games I don't own then spend money on roms I could play for free on a PC, Xbox, GBA, DS, Dreamcast, GP32, PSP, ect.

[poopnes]

Are for the Nintendo rom thing, this is just my opinion but if I had to guess I'd guess that Nintendo would create some sort of subscription based payment system. I dont believe that the roms will be free but at the same time I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to have to process a zillion $.50 and $1.00 credit card transactions either. They'll probably be bundled in with some other content that you can download from their servers and demand a $20 or so a month subscription.

Yea that's exactly what I was thinking. I'm not willing to pay $20 though. $10 a month max. Maybe they'll do a once a year thing like Xbox Live? If they expect me to pay individually for games that I don't technically own (they mentioned their own DRM was going to be used, so I imagine the games will be locked to each individual console) they're crazy. I'd be more than willing to pay $5 for a disc but not a download.

Overall...yea Nintendo blew it. But I'm a terrible Nintendo fanboy so I'm excited. Animal Crossing DS...ONLINE!!!! I have to buy a DS now. Then there's the new Zelda, which I wasn't looking forward to until I saw the E3 trailer. Then there's the new Mario for the DS, Fire Emblem for both the GC and GBA, DDR Mario Mix (awesome!), a new Kirby and more like Geist and Mario Baseball. I was disappointed at first because there just wasn't enough about the Revolution, but then I saw all the great new games coming out THIS YEAR (well, probably) and I'm pretty satisfied now. I really wish they would have shown more, but this is Nintendo we're talking about. They're making baby steps though.

GB Micro? Looks cool, and I agree make it cheap, GBpocket is my favorite GB ever so I might be biased (they're related, mostly).

The "left" side of the Rev has a door that reveals GC controller/memory card ports. Mystery solved.
http://nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2005/revo/large_img/revo_7l.jpg
Source: NoJ website.

[Jasoco]

I am most impressed by Nintendo.

The Game Boy Micro was a surprise. It's not a new Game Boy Advance or a GBA2. It's an extension of the GBA as it is. Doesn't matter. I think the Micro signals the end of the GB era and the beginning of the DS era... Unless they decide to release the GBA2 next year. Whatever. The portable line isn't my concern right now (With the exception of Animal Crossing, etc..)

The Revolution is already my choice for favorite next generation console and it's not even out! It's only announced, still a year from release and it already has more games that I WANT coming for it than the other two consoles, including the one coming out in only a half a year.

The PS3 has no games I want. Not one game. Absolutely nothing on the system intrigues me. It's like the PS2 and the PS1. It'll be like this until Katamari Damacy 3 or so shows up. Seriously.

The Xbox 360 seemed cool for a while until I realized it too won't have anything I want to play.. Except maybe Perfect Dark Zero. That's it! Nothing else! Except for backwards compatibility which won't matter until it gets games I want. Online play is nothing if I have to pay for it. In fact, I will be cancelling my LIVE subscription at the end of the year. Know why? Because I don't use it. The Xbox may have lots of FPS games, but I hate deathmatching with a passion that burns in my loins.

The Revolution already has a dozen games lined up that I know for a fact I will be getting. PLUS, I would gladly pay to download the old games. I waited 10 years for someone to put out a DOOM on a console that didn't suck. It took 10 years! And it took the original creator to do it! So hell yeah I'm looking forward to playing all the old games on the Rev. Now that I think about it, I can retire my NES, SNES and N64 and save even MORE space on my shelf! Hot damn, Nintendo. You have done it again.

Also, I like Reggie. I really do. At least I can understand what he says. The guy talking about the Revolution towards the end, or was it the GameCube, I could hardly make out his words. I had to silence the house so I could use my entire brain's processing power to process what he was saying.

That out of the way, let's talk rumors and what I want..

The Revolution's default prototype color scheme is almost perfect! Black with blue lighting. If anything, I'd think PS2. But if they have to change it, I will take a solid white with a white lighted drive slot. Those are my choices, Nintendo, take 'em or leave 'em. Maybe even red. A GBA SP red color would also rock.

Now, the downloadable games. This feature is ubercool by itself, BUT what would and will make it even better if Nintendo has any brains in their heads, would be DS (Or even GBA/Micro) connectability built-in. How fucking cool would it be to take the downloaded games with you? At least the NES ones or SNES on the DS. But it's not going to work well with the N64 stuff so oh well.

What I would most look forward to is downloading GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, the original Turok (The only good one IMHO) for the N64. The SMB trilogy, the original Nintendo Tetris, Star Tropics, Kickle Cubicle and Fire 'n' Ice, (Hell yeah!) and get this, Dragon Warrior!!! And then the DKC trilogy, Mario World 1 and 2, EARTHBOUND, Star Fox... (Holy crap!)

I just hope it's a nice big library that DOES include third party stuff. I really do. I hope there's some sort of deal or clause in the contract's the companies signed back in the 80's and 90's that gives Nintendo the rights to provide these games. The above list is my most wanted. The games I would gladly pay to have again.

Yep. Once again, Nintendo has renewed my faith in them. And Sony and Microsoft have once again let me down for the most part.

[Gamereviewgod]

So, Jasoco, you're excited about a system that you haven't seen a single screen shot from yet? I don't get it. What did they announce that was so great? Super Smash Bros? Ok. What else?

[lendelin]

Yeah, that's it.

No. I own a 'Cube. I own 2 GBA's. I own a DS. The simple fact is Nintendo blew their chance. They showed me, as a die hard gamer, absolutely nothing as to what they're going to provide me with in this generation other than 20-year old games I already own.

Sony did exactly that and did it in a big way, simple as that.

What came from Nintendo? A fourth GBA and the ability to play games I already have, likely own, or can get elsewhere. Big deal. Either show your hand now or lose. Their conference came off as so secretive (sp?). Everytime a big announcement was made, from Miyamoto's new game to the controller, it was :

"But not right now."

You get one shot a year at this. 360 will be playable on the show floor. Sony showed the most amazing graphics demo ever. Nintendo shows me Mario Bros. on the NES. That's stupid.

I agree. Ns press conference showed how far they are behind. While MS has its system ready, and Sony countered with a smoke-and mirror-strategy (rendered graphics and duckie-demos which won't hold up in real time gameplay) which was nevertheless very effective, N didn't showed a thing becasue they probably couldn't show a thing. Very bad PR, a missed opportunity.

All we know is that the new console will be a small black box for which older games can be downloaded. Additionally, upcoming games lacked the depth and variety of the games which Sony and MS could show. The new Zelda game won't be enough to be a serious competitor until the end of 2006 with the Xbox 360 in the market and the PS3 on the horizon.

[Famidrive-16]

I think they'll find a way to get deals with some developers of older games. Maybe not for the defunct ones, unless they can pull off some magical buy-the-rights move or something.

[Jasoco]

So, Jasoco, you're excited about a system that you haven't seen a single screen shot from yet? I don't get it. What did they announce that was so great? Super Smash Bros? Ok. What else?What's your problem? Do you have something against people who actually like Nintendo's franchises? Mario, Zelda, Metroid? All will have games on the Revolution. Smash Bros is just a start. I'm sure a Pikmin will make it there at one point. Nintendo has the fucking games that drive a console. I.. I don't even want to argue anymore. Anti-Nintendo people can't be turned no matter how much you tey. They just don't understand why we like Nintendo and never will. So go away, kid, you bother me.

At least I KNOW Nintendo's console will have a dozen games in the first few months that I will buy. What does MS and Sony have? Final Fantasy and Halo? Two games I could care less about.

It took years for me to get a PS2 because there was NOTHING on it that interested me. I hate when people find that hard to believe. They're just stupid and will play any game that comes along as long as the console has the most stuff.

It took years for me to get an Xbox as well because at the time I actually liked Halo. But after Halo 2 came out, I realized I didn't care for it anymore. So what else does the Xbox have? Serious Sam and Doom 3. Later Conker. I doubt the 360 will be getting any of those three though.

Halo Shmalo. Give me a good enjoyable Nintendo-created game and get that other processed shit out of my face.

And I don't give a shit if you call me a fanboy. It just shows how intollerant you are. And how much you don't even understand. :(

[lendelin]

It took years for me to get a PS2 because there was NOTHING on it that interested me. I hate when people find that hard to believe.

Well, if the most balanced and varied game library has nothing to offer to you, then I guess you don't like games too much. But I guess the same library would be awesome if it were on the GC. Don't love systems, love games. Third party developers aren't GC fans or haters, why should you be one?


They're just stupid and will play any game that comes along as long as the console has the most stuff.

Yep, I'm one of those stupid gamers. I don't recognize quality, I just play PS2 games because it says PS and most people play it. Did you ever hear of that the dumbest thing you can do is ignoring reality by saying the others are just stupid instead of looking for explanations?

N has only one thing going for it -- an avid, well established fanbase, and you are obviously part of it. But don't forget, this fanbase decreases from generation to generation of gamers, a result of Ns stagnation while the market expanded.

[Jasoco]

Jesus Christ. I give up. When the conversation turns into insults, I can tell you don't understand what kind of gamer I am.

People like you assume people like us haven't even touched other consoles let alone looked at their library. Can't I like a console made by Nintendo without all the assholes coming out of the woodwork to question my choice? Just ONCE? Can we have a NINTENDO DISCUSSION THREAD without people condemning the company to the pits of hell? Just ONCE?? God, what is WRONG with you people? We're GAMERS! And if we can't play the games we LIKE, what's the point of being a GAMER?

God. I give up.

Also, to cover the rest, Buddah, Moses, Jiminy Cricket and that elephant thing Apu worships as well.

Bloody fucking hell I can't stand you people's intolerance anymore.

[lendelin]

Bloody fucking hell I can't stand you people's intolerance anymore.

You mix up the clash of different opinions with intolerance. If everyone agrees, tolerance isn't necessary. Tolerance is only necessary if differing opinions exist. You don't need an umbrella when the sun shines, you need one when it rains.

[Jasoco]

LOL

Of course, but I find umbrellas unweildy, and I get even wetter when I try to get in the car with one. I find it easier to just run to the car with my hood up. I actually get less wet then.. wait.. what are we talking about? Oh yeah..

Is there some unwritten rule that everyone must pick either the Sony console or the Microsoft console because they have the most games, so they must be the best? I hope not.

I have done the research. I have weighed all three consoles libraries. The Nintendo systems have more games that I want to play. (It's hard to emphasize a word that's one letter long and is the thinnest letter of the alphabet. The word was "I".) Remember, it took Katamari Damacy for me to even CoNSIDER a PlayStation. Nothing else appealed to me enough to justify the money. And the Xbox mainly has Serious Sam and Doom 3 going for it right now as far as I'm concerned. With Conker coming later. The Cube OTOH has all these games I love. Mario games. Zelda games. Metroid games. Pikmin games. Smash Bros! Cubivore! Animal Crossing! Games I enjoy! Games I like playing!

Now, if it's so hard to understand my difference in taste, raise your hand. Otherwise, let us Nintendo game fans have our thread back.

[Dobie]

Despite the negativity and usual "Nintendo is going down" rhetoric, I think the Revolution will be an interesting console to have. There will be a game for EVERYBODY, no matter how old or young. The gaming "demographic" won't matter, because there will be something for hardcore everyday gamer, and also for the casual weekender, looking to fire up some classic Super Mario World. If Ninty is smart, the downloadable content would be available right away--no waiting for months for games to come out.

I see this as an interesting idea. The iTunes of games, if you will. A sleek and stylish portable device, and a vast marketplace selling the oldies right alongside the latest hits. People naysayed the iPod and iTunes, and now Apple is the one laughing as their competitors try feebly to catch up. If Nintendo plays their cards right, they could potentially pull off a nice little coup.

How cool would it be too, to be able to "share" your games iTunes style. One person has the game, and other can play it on their console connected wirelessly, or both can play it together.

Dang--I'm getting all giddy just thinking about the possibilities. Screw the naysayers.

[Zubiac666]

Another 2 pics of REV:
FRONTVIEW
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2005/revo/large_img/revo_6l.jpg

UHH...now THAT is interesting( :D :D :D ):
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/e3_2005/revo/large_img/revo_8l.jpg

wow,that's really small:
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/615/615030/e3-2005-high-res-revolution-images-20050517022402307.jpg

it's already my fav console ever.It's the size of a book!!
You can take it everywhere with you and it has all Nintendo games ready to download.....so gimme gimme gimme.
Oh,and an online ready SSBM, zelda etc etc.

And I'm REALLY glad that they didn't show rev-games cause they would be stupid prerendered crap(SOny anyone?) which do NOT show anything running on the actual console.
HYPE=BAH!

Just believe what you see on your TV when playing the actual console.

hype my ass!

[Jasoco]

hype my ass!Okay. Your ass is going to be so powerful when it is finally released. We already have 50 developers busy hard at work creating games to play on your ass. It will be released on November 3rd and will cost $299.99. Featuring 8 players, 32 online, and network linking as well as wireless built-in, you won't even need to plug it into a router if you don't want. Your ass is going to be huge!

How's that for hype? :P

I've always wanted to do that. ;)

Also, can we edit that one huge image? (The third one down that shows up as a red X or blue ? until you open it in a new window? My browser is scrolling mega-badly now.

[grayrobertos]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

[grayrobertos]

BTW does anyone remember that survey that was about a few month back about nintendo offering an add on to play past games and wether people would be interested? Guess this was it eh.

Also, does anyone think that when they said "Metroid would take you to places that you have never been before"
I thought it would be cool if it was a game like elite traveling in ur ship around space ports etc trading with people to get suit upgrades and that.

Who fancys that?

[Zubiac666]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

mmhh....I don't really know
but it seems that it will hold the already confirmed SD-cards(where you can put your downloaded nintendo-classics) slots and some other connectors(REV memory cards,USB,GBA slots aka bulit-in Gameboy player,maybe even REV controller ports?, whatever)

damn...this thing is so sexy and the backwards combatibility already gives me NES,SNES,GEnesis and GB(A) emulators(which I have now all running on my UNMODDED gamecube ) from the go.

It's also good to see that the REV will stand in an angular angle in its rack to provide that the discs can be read without problems.

update: I guess it will use some sort of liquid cooling as I do not see any ventilation slots.that would be another big plus in my book cause you won't have loud fans or broken fans.

[THATinkjar]

Those potatoes over at EuroGamer think the GB Micro is the GBA2. Morons.

[poopnes]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

I'm guessing you'll put your SD cards in there. And also the DVD playback thingy has to go somewhere. But of course it's all speculation since Nintendo hasn't revealed the front or the back.

[hydr0x]

@lendelin

no need to attack Jasoco here, yes, it's bullshit to claim the PS doesn't have a single good game, it has dozens and there's no doubt about it. But you seem to be missing what he actually tried to say and why he did. He got attacked by someone (i'm too lazy to look it up again) because he said the Revolution will deliver for him.

Why in gods name did he get attacked for that??? He's right, we all know Nintendo WILL bring Mario, Zelda, Pikmin and so on to the Revolution and if those games are enough reason for him to buy the console, then why don't let him buy it?? i know more than one person who owns a Xbox just for Halo, so why not buy a Revolution just for Zelda or Mario? what is wrong with that?? maybe YOU can't accept that, but for some people 5 or 6 good Nintendo games per year would be enough to buy the system. You don't need to understand that but you have to tolerate that opinion and not ****** attack him for it.

just my 2 cents (and in case you're wondering, i'm currently considering buying PS3 first, then Revolution)

[poloplayr]

Nintendo is lost. They don't have a clue. You would think they would have learned from all of their countless mistakes, but it seems like they are just so damn stubborn and they still think they are running things in this industry.

But they have dug their own grave and completely jumped in.

They suck.

Hear, hear. I've been a HARDCORE Nintendo fanboy since the G&W days for crying out lout but what the h**l are they doing. They delivered NO revolution whatsoever. Backcatalogue access is clearly not the revolution. The console was just a plastic square and not even the final prototype, there was NOTHING. It's as if they themselves really have no frickin' clue as to what to do. Once again, they're behind. Once again, they give us nothing. I am so so so so dissapointed.

[kainemaxwell]

I'm impressed so far about the Revolution, wish Nintendo would have reavealed more about it.

[Julio III]

The thing about the Revolution is that basically nothing has been released. I feel Nintendo just had to show something otherwise they wouldn't get noticed and Sony and Microsoft would steal all the press. So they showed what they had. A mockup/prototype design for their console, a free online service including that big bacl catalogue. They really didn't tell us much about the Revolution at all. So there is no telling what it can do. I like the way they didn't push the GBMicro, letting the DS shine. The online functions of the DS are really interesting and I can't wait until they are up and running. If they extend their download service to DS also that would be awesome. Although they do like charging a lot of money to get their old games on GBA so I doubt it.

One thing I don't like about Nintendo is their slow overseas (non-Japan) release schedule. It is actually cheaper for me to import a DS game now rather than wait 6 months for the game AND pay more for it.

I actually won't be getting any of the next-gan consoles but have recently got a DS so will talk about the things which come out for that:

Meteos finally gets an English release date. Hurrah! Sonic Rush looks good, finally a big name game for the DS thats DOESN'T feel the need to have touchscreen functions and simply uses the dual screens. New Mario Bros also, the first new 2D one since the SNES launch - I can't believe they aren't pushing this more. However, from what I've seen it only really needs one screen and doesn't look as good graphically as the Yoshi games and it is polygonal!?!

One reason that Nintendo haven't talked about Revolution games yet is their Gamecube release list. It is seriously impresive. A new Zelda game that looks really good, much prefer the graphical style over Wind Waker and the action looks stunning. Pokemon RPG on a real console! Not so sure, i prefer the overhead classic pokemon gaming, this looks too much like the cartoon series. Sonic Gems Collection looks great, all those wacky and rare Sonic games finally get a play - Sonic R, Sonic CD (the one that everyone has been asking for) and Sonic The Fighters (never recieved a home conversion so probably even the most ardent Sonic fan's first time playing it!).

[Nature Boy]

I know the retro compilations do well. And the remakes (I own a couple of both, for PS2 and GBA). I'm wondering if they can continue to do well though now that backwards compatability seems to be here to stay?

I guess I *might* buy "Activision Anthology 2" on PS3 if it has more games than the original, but really the original has pretty much *everything* already, and since the PS3 will play PS2 games why would I bother?

Same thing goes for Revolution. I bought a few of the Super Mario Advance's because I wanted to play them on a portable (and I still *love* 'em). If the Rev. lets me play GBA & GC games, I've pretty much got all the retro Nintendo stuff I want (I even have the first two Zelda's twice - once as GBA carts, once on that GC disc). I don't see myself buying the games a third time as is, especially if I can't keep playing them after the Revolution is replaced by Reloaded :) Has anybody read/heard anything about if you download the game permanantly or if you just play it through their servers? (I'd assume the latter, since piracy is a big concern of theirs and it'd be easier to control if they held the software in their hands).

What I don't know is how the compilations did on the original PS say, or how many people bought the PS2 stuff anyway because of any bonuses that might've occured.

[Daft Punk]

Im sold on it for sure.

The look is small but kinda generic though.

[calthaer]

The back catalogue of games is what people wanted. Anybody remember that big, long thread on Nintendo's boards (linked to from here a while back) where everyone was screaming for Earthbound to be re-released? Well...guess where it's going to be coming?

I'm not going to say that the PS2 doesn't have any good games...I own several. Katamari Damacy was one of the greatest. I even liked some of the minor titles like Transformers a lot. But man...if I had to choose one, and only one, I'd stick with my 'Cube. The big N has the big games. Games that are memorable and worth-playing. Halo was entertaining, for sure, but all those corridors were exactly the same.

At any rate - there's still a lot left to see. I'm pretty much sold, but I can understand why others aren't yet.

[YoshiM]

ARRGGHH!

There, I got that out of my system. People, it was a PRE-E3 conference. They basically said "Hey, we know the next generation comes out next year but we want to focus on the here and now-Gamecube, GBA and DS. But here's a taste of what's to come." The other conferences seemed to say to me "Forget about what we have now-get ready for tomorrow!". Sorry, but no. I invested a goodly amount of money for the now. While I may be interested in hearing/seeing what's coming down the pike I really want to know what I can get for my current systems.

Again-people built up their own hype even when most everything they dreamed of was either never announced or not a lot of detail was given on what was to be announced. If you're disappointed about Revolution, you've only yourself to blame for expecting too much information. This is Nintendo, remember?

@lendelin: you do realize that the Dreamcast, when it came out, also had a very balanced and varied game library. Yet many people held out for the PS2 and from what I gathered from asking those people who sat out in line waiting for stoes to open to buy one the typical answers to "Why are you buying a PS2?" were "It's Playstation" or "The specs are just totally awesome". Of course there were others that said more logical reasons (ie the games) but it seemed as though Sony's marketing spin worked as the "bells and whistles" seemed to be what was first on everyone's minds at the time. Games came later as the PS2 launch lineup was relatively average to pathetic (hence why a lot of Japanese people sheepishly raised their hands when they were asked "How many of you mainly use your PS2 to watch DVDs[vs. playing games]" in an old IGN interview)

I don't think Nintendo's PR was bad-they want to sell Gamecube, GBA and DS. Why turn people's attention away by splashing about Revolution footage? Oh sure you want to get people interested but there is a LOT of time until the Revolution comes out and thanks to the Internet everyone will get their fill of up-to-the-minute information. Those who are pissed off about lack of Revolution information will stamp their feet, complain or say how much Nintendo sucks but when the next announcement arrives those same people will be captivated, hanging on every word.
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What did Microsoft and Sony really show? Established franchises and sequels. What does Nintendo use? Established franchises and sequels. Again, people's expectations on Nintendo were self-elevated to where practically anything less than full emersive VR is "disappointing".

And Gamereviewgod: people were getting all happy in the pants when Sony first announced specs for the PS2 way back when. So don't just finger Jasoco for this sin as many many others have walked down that same spec/feature loving path before.
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And to wrap up my extremely long post (which people will probably skip over anyway): ever notice that Nintendo-based threads on almost every board are always, ALWAYS more active?

[The-Bavis]

It takes a long time to read all these negative comments!

Basically, I am interested so far, but reserving judgment. Personally, I like the downloadable content idea. I don't dig roms AT ALL, so that is not an issue for me. Same goes for most people in the world not trolling gaming message boards. We also must wait on the controller to be revealed. There is no way you can criticize the dowloadable content because that is obviously not the only thing "revolutionary" about this console. There will be more to it unless they're just full of lies.

It is also worthy of note that not only is the new console going to have online capabilities, which us serious gamers knew about, but it appears to be a huge part of their concept. This is a giant paradigm shift for the company. Equating the internet as being as important as the TV to your console gaming? They hopefully have some cool stuff planned.

Basically, Nintendo showed some of their philosophy for this new console yesterday and I am impressed. Sure, the specifics will really tell the story, but this type of different thinking is really their best shot. If they just came out and said they were able to have 2458 more polygons per character than the PS3, they're not going to really get ahead. It will be concept and games that can keep them in the game or return them to glory.

[Mayhem]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

I'm guessing you'll put your SD cards in there. And also the DVD playback thingy has to go somewhere. But of course it's all speculation since Nintendo hasn't revealed the front or the back.

The slot at the front (besides the blue glow for the discs) is apparently where the SD cards and DVD kit will go.

[howdoin]

I was reading the description again and thought of what Iwata said yesterday...

Could the Revolution offer homebrew games through the SD slot? Is this part of the Revolution for those "developpers with ideas but very limited budget" as Iwata put it.
Imagine this, an open platform for all fans to let others play their homebrew titles - a real open source machine (at least part of it)... imagine the possibilities.

Me start dreaming.

[PS2Hawk]

I was seriously disappointed with the conference.

They showed an empty box ? WTF......
No specs, 2 to 3 times faster than GameCube means its slower than current PCs.

WHERE THE helL is MARIO 128 ?

[Gamereviewgod]

There, I got that out of my system. People, it was a PRE-E3 conference. They basically said "Hey, we know the next generation comes out next year but we want to focus on the here and now-Gamecube, GBA and DS. But here's a taste of what's to come." The other conferences seemed to say to me "Forget about what we have now-get ready for tomorrow!"

Because they lost this generation and won't lick their wounds and try to wow us next time. They made some fantastic games, some of the best I'll ever play (RE4). Zelda looked great, but did you notice in the video montage they showed nearly every single games was licensed junk that's appearing on other consoles?

This is the year of E3 where the companies are SUPPOSED to say "This is where we plan on taking you, our consumer, from here." That's what you're supposed to do every E3.

I honestly do NOT understand how anyone can look at Nintendo's press conference (from a buisness standpoint) and say they did the right thing. The whole point of something like this is to create hype. The Revolution showed me nothing... nothing. Their Gamecube sits on my shelf collecting dust after Resident Evil 4, and before that, I can't even begin to think the last time I touched it. I know I'm not the only one. Hey, I'm looking forward to Zelda as much as the next guy, but while they did a great job hyping it (have you seen the DS trailer on eBay?), they failed to show us where they're taking us. Oh wait, they did. Back to an era I already lived through and can relive when I want.

That's the type of announcement you make before E3, even weeks in advance. You don't bank your entire E3 press conference, especially one as important as this, on NES games, period. Their stubborness will be their downfall. They need to change and drastically. [/quote]

[rbudrick]

wats the box under the disc drive for?

That's for holding paper clips and stuff.
;)

I can not wait to see Nintendo's online service. I might actually finally be an online gamer when this comes out.

Nintendo has something here MS and Sony don't--several systems that can be emulated on the new hardware. Sure MS and Sony could make their systems backward compatible, but only for the one or two systems they've made and even then...you need the disc.

If Nintendo keeps their word on this online content, that really is a revolution in gaming. I'd love to be able to play al those 2+ player games of yesterday over the net.

-Rob

[§ Gideon §]

hype my ass!Okay. Your ass is going to be so powerful when it is finally released. We already have 50 developers busy hard at work creating games to play on your ass. It will be released on November 3rd and will cost $299.99. Featuring 8 players, 32 online, and network linking as well as wireless built-in, you won't even need to plug it into a router if you don't want. Your ass is going to be huge!

How's that for hype? :P
ROFL Ooh! Ooh! Hype my ass too!

[downfall]

This is the year of E3 where the companies are SUPPOSED to say "This is where we plan on taking you, our consumer, from here." That's what you're supposed to do every E3.

At the rate we're going, alongside the rumors that both the PS3 and the Revolution will be released mid-next year, it's entirely possible that Nintendo will have a large portion of next year's E3 hype all to themselves and their new console - especially if they hold off until after next year's E3 to release.

That's really not all that farfetched of a possibility - as bad as it could turn out to be.

Microsoft and Sony both are obviously not too concerned with what Nintendo is doing - hence the hawking over Sony by Microsoft (Halo 3 at the PS3 launch, etc.). I think Nintendo would be really making a mistake to release anywhere near that time - even if it puts them in a position to release their console last. I could completely see them waiting (it would actually be more in line with the normal timeframe for a new console anyway).

But hey, what do I know?

We all know the Revolution isn't going to be released until sometime next year - why would they go ahead and blow their whole load right into the middle of the Sony/Microsoft "our console is more powerful" battle? The Revolution is obviously going in a completely different direction from a technical standpoint - and I personally can't see the point in laying out all of its specs now (which are admittedly weaker than the other two consoles), so that it gets buried under a big wad of technical mumbo jumbo (as I've heard non-stop comparisons of the 360 and PS3 specs from both sides), instead of standing on its own merits - for whatever new experiences it's trying to bring to the table.

Ah well.

[Gamereviewgod]

At the rate we're going, alongside the rumors that both the PS3 and the Revolution will be released mid-next year, it's entirely possible that Nintendo will have a large portion of next year's E3 hype all to themselves and their new console - especially if they hold off until after next year's E3 to release.

Excellent point. But, now the competition has a one year head start. Nintendo will show games for the first time next year. They'll likely leak information before then, but you're not going to get a bigger venue than E3. Sony will have their games ready to go and will have been hyping them. They'll also be gearing up for a launch not to far ahead of the event (maybe it will already be out?). MS's console and games will have been out for months.

[Avatard]

Give it a rest man. Nintendo just went to E3 and said what ALL of us say. Its about the games, not how much hardware and rendering you can pump out. And now the bashing starts? They have finally left their "no online gaming" policy, they said its about making fun games, they announced titles, they announced backwards compatability, and frankly I couldn't care less if the had no demo games to show. Things are looking up, I love Nintendo's franchise games but I never bought any of the current generation of consoles, none impressed me, however I have considered getting an XBox just for Halo. Now I'm interested in gaming again, and I'm getting one of these new Revolutions.

So does anyone have any more released info or is it going to continue to be "OMGWTFBBQ ZOMG NINTENDO SUXORZ LOLZ"? (Not directed at you Gamereviewer)

None of us here are market strategist, or PR folks, or devleopers, so I won't pretend to be and point out each companies "flaws" based on my opinion....But I have heard what I've been waiting to hear from the big N for a long long time.

[NE146]

fuck it.. I aint excited about any of them. It's sort of just become like pc hardware where the specs just get gradually better.

I don't really feel the excitement I used to have like say... when going from the NES to SNES anymore. I don't know if it's because we've hit a wall in technology and graphics with decreasing returns (there's only so much excitement I feel by the increasing number of hairs you can see in a mustache), or because of the numbing sensation I feel from seeing yawnalicious games like Mario Baseball, or stuff like ps3 Killzone looking good but inevitably being another FPS.

The ability to play the old Nintendo games is kinda cool. But like what's been probably said already, my xbox already illigitimately does that. So it's hard to get too hyped about it going mainstream. We'll see how it goes.

Anyway, knowing me of course I'll get all 3 consoles shortly enough after their launches by sheer habit. But pardon my lack of enthusiasm.

[Avatard]

I shared that same enthusiasim, or lack of, a few years ago. None of the next gen consoles impresseed me. PS2 was a nightmare speaking from an engineering point of veiw, plus the games didn't appeal to me (however being able to play SotN and FF:Tactics is a plus). XBox had, well, not much besides Halo that the others didn't have. And GCN, well, it had SSB:M and Mario Kart, and the battle mode on MK sucked, but atleast it did have one of my fav single player games, Eternal Darkness.

Thats how I felt about it atleast, I was one of the many who slipped into handheld gaming, which of course was dominated by Nintendo.

The XBox 360 looks like XBox with wireless "yawn", how innovatie, 3 years ago. I prefer wires anyhow. PS3 is a nice change, no more 2 player only games, welcome to the new century Sony! It still doesn't provide the library of games I'm interested in however. But this new Nintendo does perk my intrests for some reason, appealing to my love of older games and online gaming. Plus I can get all those GCN games I liked but could play cause I never wanted to buy a GCN. I just wish there was more info before I jump onto any bandwagon.

[Teo]

Boys boys boys, calm down eh. This isnt all the rev has it was just anounced in this press conference in a pre e3 conference. FS They said there was secrets to be revealed. The console is a year away. We have not even seen the two revolutionary features yet LOL

I really think people would flame nintendo if they made the console 10GHZ out of solid gold and sold it for £10, and wen you played it, you got free money for being so cool at video games.

I knew a kid named Phillip LeGault who made the preposterous rumour that if you jumped over the flag pole in Super Mario Bros. that the NES would spit out a ten dollar bill.

[downfall]

At the rate we're going, alongside the rumors that both the PS3 and the Revolution will be released mid-next year, it's entirely possible that Nintendo will have a large portion of next year's E3 hype all to themselves and their new console - especially if they hold off until after next year's E3 to release.

Excellent point. But, now the competition has a one year head start. Nintendo will show games for the first time next year. They'll likely leak information before then, but you're not going to get a bigger venue than E3. Sony will have their games ready to go and will have been hyping them. They'll also be gearing up for a launch not to far ahead of the event (maybe it will already be out?). MS's console and games will have been out for months.

Yeah, that's exactly why I said there's a possibility that strategy could turn out bad for Nintendo. Could turn out great too, though I suppose that's one of the risks they may be willing (and that may be necessary) to take.

If that's what they actually do, then I don't consider it a year head start though - If the 360 releases in November, then we're really only looking at 6 months until next year's E3. Don't get me wrong, 6 months advance is plenty of time to sell through an awful lot of 360's, but while Sony and Microsoft both pumped out a ton of info about their hardware at this E3, we heard more about upcoming games than we actually saw (and I would wager to guess that a lot of what we saw was more tech video than actual gameplay). I feel like the real meat of the hype for the 360 will come closer to launch (August/September), when there's actually more true in game footage to be shown and so forth.

I don't really know - and this has all been speculation on my part. But I really believe Nintendo wants to make a fundamental change this next generation (with the console design, online features, and whatnot - I feel like they're making an effort to listen and take a step forward) - and doing something like waiting until next year's E3 to really blow the lid off the Revolution might play right into their hands.

[hydr0x]

The whole point of something like this is to create hype. The Revolution showed me nothing... nothing.

sorry but i have to say it again, YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS, just look for yourself and do a google search, the net is FULL of hype surrounding the Revolution, you may not be hyped, but there's a lot more hype on the net about Rev than about 360 or even PS3

[Avatard]

The system with the least amount of specs released, yet this thread is at 7 pages when Xbox 360 and PS3 are only at 2..../sigh.

[Gamereviewgod]

sorry but i have to say it again, YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS, just look for yourself and do a google search, the net is FULL of hype surrounding the Revolution, you may not be hyped, but there's a lot more hype on the net about Rev than about 360 or even PS3
_________________

Negativity is not hype. The threads on various message boards may be the biggest concerning Nintendo, but it's more debate (like this) than anything. Hype gets people excited. Hype makes a system look like you have to have one. Those are two things that Nintendo has failed to do.

[Captain Wrong]

fuck it.. I aint excited about any of them. It's sort of just become like pc hardware where the specs just get gradually better.

I don't really feel the excitement I used to have like say... when going from the NES to SNES anymore. I don't know if it's because we've hit a wall in technology and graphics with decreasing returns (there's only so much excitement I feel by the increasing number of hairs you can see in a mustache), or because of the numbing sensation I feel from seeing yawnalicious games like Mario Baseball, or stuff like ps3 Killzone looking good but inevitably being another FPS.

Damn! The first post I agree with 100%! LOL


The ability to play the old Nintendo games is kinda cool. But like what's been probably said already, my xbox already illigitimately does that. So it's hard to get too hyped about it going mainstream. We'll see how it goes.

God, I agree with this 110%. If it wasn't for the fact that I've been able to do this for years already on PC and/or other consoles, I might be excited. Not only that, but seeing the way Nintendo released old NES games one at a time for $20 a pop on the GBA rather than making a cheap compilation, I have little faith that they aren't going to try to bleed the consumer again.

While I think people would be willing to pay for ROMs, I have a "pulled out of my ass" hunch that Nintendo will make the ROMs kind of like DIVX discs where you have a limited time to play the game, then you have to pay for more time. As paranoid as they are about piracy, they certaintly aren't going to sell you a now strings attached ROM (and anyone who thinks they're going to be giving them away is dreaming.)

Plus I think people here are really overestimating how much mainstream gamers are going to care about playing the old games. Sure people can point to the popularity of Nintendo t-shirts, but that means nothing really. Retro advertising shirts are popular period, but that doesn't mean that 20-somethings are bathing in Mr.Bubble, or buying whatever retro ad is on the shirt. The nostalgia factor works for a $20 plug and play hand held, but I doubt it's going to work for a $150+ console and whatever the games cost.

I'm also highly skeptical that a company that totally ignored the Internet this time around is going to jump in with both feet and just kill when it comes to on-line play. Remember, this is the company that told us not to long ago that gamers didn't want on-line gaming. I'm open to being wowed, but I just don't see it happening.

I agree with gamereviewgod's post too. People can try to spin it however they want, but the fact of the matter is this was the year when everyone else announced their plans for the future. That's what E3 is about, and this year should have been espically focused on that. Though Nintendo continued their tradition of throwing red meat to the fanboys, they really didn't show a lot of what's in store.

[PDorr3]

[quote]they failed to show us where they're taking us. Oh wait, they did. Back to an era I already lived through and can relive when I want.

But do not forget, not all people that play videogames own retro consoles, so to many many casual (and some real gamers) the ability to play older nintendo games is a real treat, becuase maybe unlike us, they simply cannot "relive it when they want to".

As for all of the negative comments people are directing on the conference, all I can say is that nintendo is nintendo, they were obviously not ready to show a presentable showing of what their hardware can do, and for some of us thats hard to accept, but maybe this "revolutionary" hardware they are working on is so complex that showing exactly what the console can do is out of reach for them at the moment.

While sony and microsoft rely simply on updated graphics engines I really do think that nintendo has something truly special up their sleeves, and if it obviously was not shown at E3 than I am sure it is more complex than simply upping the graphics.

[Gamereviewgod]

But do not forget, not all people that play videogames own retro consoles, so to many many casual (and some real gamers) the ability to play older nintendo games is a real treat, becuase maybe unlike us, they simply cannot "relive it when they want to".

Yes, but how many out of that group already do that with their Xbox or PC? We've all seen those artciles in EGM with the kids playing the classic games. They're not going to look 'cool' playing NES games on their brand new next gen system when Johnny next door is slaughtering people in GTA. Who is the feature for exactly?


do think that nintendo has something truly special up their sleeves

I do to, and they should have let us know yesterday.

[Zubiac666]

remember the revolution fan movie?

WTF?(image appeared in some forum)
http://corral.elrellano.com/miya-02.jpg

[Dobie]

Clearly, that's a photoshop.

I'm tired of the poo-pooing. Sony appealed to their core fanbase, MS did the same, and Ninty gave us Zelda and some neat ideas. Sounds exactly like last year.

It seems to me that everybody (whether they admit it or not) has made up their mind about what they're going to buy, and now they need to justify their decision by puking all over the competitions stuff.

Now that we've seen the hoopla, I want to see hard figures--such as console price, game cost, and extras I may need to buy. Ultimately, it all comes down to how much I'll have to fork out come launch day. If I have to drop $800 to get a console and a couple of games, I'd rather wait and stick to what I have now.

[PDorr3]

Clearly, that's a photoshop.

I'm tired of the poo-pooing. Sony appealed to their core fanbase, MS did the same, and Ninty gave us Zelda and some neat ideas. Sounds exactly like last year.

It seems to me that everybody (whether they admit it or not) has made up their mind about what they're going to buy, and now they need to justify their decision by puking all over the competitions stuff.



exactly, I am sure fans of each system are not going to change their mind by what E3 presented. I am sure the legions of xbox fans can care less what nintendo's revolution can do, and I am sure it is the same way for all of the other fanbases.

[Gamereviewgod]

It seems to me that everybody (whether they admit it or not) has made up their mind about what they're going to buy, and now they need to justify their decision by puking all over the competitions stuff.

I plan on buying all three consoles. That has no effect on my attitude towards what they showed. I'm simply stating Nintendo did a piss-poor job of selling the console when they needed to. I don't know how anyone can deny that.

[WanganRunner]

Has anyone been following the insanity on the IGN boards?

Huge conspiracy theories flying around that Nintendo plans to release....something (most guess more Revolution info) tomorrow.

Has anyone else heard of these rumors?

There's actually some fairly credible stuff backing it up. One thing in particular is the 'Nintendo NOW' logo currently displayed on the main page of their site. What IS that, they never mentioned it... If you sort through the mess over on IGN, there's a lot more, much of it stemming from some mysterious videos featuring Perrin, Reggie, and someone else talking about something related to Thursday that were posted on, and them promptly removed from, Nintendo's website.

Veeeery mysterious. I guess we'll see.

[Nature Boy]

It seems to me that everybody (whether they admit it or not) has made up their mind about what they're going to buy, and now they need to justify their decision by puking all over the competitions stuff.

Absolutely true, and for anything in life really. Which is why you should always take threads like this with a grain of salt. Don't let 'em peeve ya.

I, for one, am happy that we've got some newish stuff to talk *about* even if what we're saying is the same ole same ole :)

[sabre2922]

Ive said it many times and Ill say it (write it) again I love Nintendo and hope the best for them BUT they have lost it.

NINTENDO IS IN COMPLETE DENIAL and in dire need of an intervention.

Heres what I saw on MSNBC this morning with their coverage of E3. There was an interveiwer going around talking to the representatives,presidents and CEOs of the major game developers and publishers including the console makers. Now dont get me wrong this guy was actually fairly knowledgable about the video game industry he even made a few references to the Dreamcast when talking to Peter moore.

Anyway this guy finally get to talk to the U.S. Marketing representative for Nintendo the lady is holding the kool looking Gameboy Micro and ducking just about every initial question about the Revolution about all she said was that "the Revolution will be very powerful and at least equal what Microsoft and Sony are showing and have other features not found in any other console" thats it everything else was about their portables and how they have release like 3 different portable in the last 24 months O_O .
She didnt even act very enthusiastic about the Revolution instead starring at the screen of the Gameboy micro throught the interview x_x

I think this represents Nintendos condecending attitude toward the industry as a whole and will eventually lead to them developing and publishing only handhelds.

I agree its like Nintendo lives in its own fairytale land where they think they are untouchable and dont have to answer to anyone including the consumers that keep them in buisness.

And as far as the Revolution goes are we supposed to be impressed by an empty prototype shell? LOL

Bottom line Nintendo=DENIAL they are so lost in their "were all about innovation" rap that they are losing even those who have always been devoted to Nintendo.

I would luv to be proven wrong on all this and Nintendo somehow "revolutionizes" the industry believe me but I just dont see it happening.

After playing videogames for over 20 years I just want a videogame system to play fun, entertaining games on Im not a graphics whore and never will be thats why Im going to pick up an Xbox360 as soon as possible I dont care if the PS3 looks prettier or if the Revolution can gyrate in strange places all I want is good games on a good game system and seeing as how my 3rd PS2 just fried and died Im not too happy with Sony right now either ;)

[Ed Oscuro]

My thoughts: Looks like a router. Egh.

[CartCollector]

EDIT: Stupid stupid stupid. Sorry to threadjack. Though the thing once described here MIGHT be a portable GameCube... More likely an impressive use of Photoshop.

[grayrobertos]

lol ^ thanks for the scoop slick. Now go and stand in the corner. Or read the previous posts before this one.

[Jasoco]

CartCollector, are you talking about the black box? Or the helmet? The Helmet is fake. The black box is real.

Assuming you are talking about the black box, all three of your points are wrong. So wrong. Waaaaay wrong and you would have found this out had you actually looked around.

1. The GameCube ports, they're at the top. The top has two GameCube legacy doors. One for the memory cards with two slots, the other with the four GameCube controller ports.

2. The logo is there. It's not written, it's embossed. Or rather imbossed or whatever the name for the opposite of Embossed is. It's on the side. The name "RevOlutiOn" is on the front though.

3. The power button, reset button and eject button are also on the front.

You are referring to a single pic! There are half a DOZEN different angles out there! Look around!

Also;
The word doesn't mean what you all think. It's got multiple meanings...

rev•o•lu•tion
noun
1 a forcible overthrow of a government or social order in favor of a new system.
See note at UPRISING .
• a dramatic and wide-reaching change in the way something works or is
organized or in people's ideas about it : marketing underwent a revolution.
2 an instance of revolving : one revolution a second.
DERIVATIVES
revolution
noun
1 the French aristocracy was ill-prepared to quell a revolution REBELLION, revolt,
insurrection, mutiny, uprising, riot, rioting, insurgence, seizure of power, coup
(d'état). See note at UPRISING .
2 a revolution in printing techniques DRAMATIC CHANGE, radical alteration, sea
change, metamorphosis, transformation, innovation, reorganization,
restructuring; informal shake-up, shakedown.
3 one revolution of a wheel TURN, single turn, rotation, circle, spin; circuit, lap.
4 the revolution of the earth TURNING, rotation, circling; orbit.
Anyone ever stop to think that maybe Revolution might refer to Nintendo finally seeing the light? Until now, they didn't think Online was worth it. They didn't think people cared about their old games. Now they've finally shown they know what we want now and are finally giving it to us, and all you can do is complain! Take a look at the second entry in the Thesaurus. Ever think maybe THAT is what Nintendo has in mind? The English language is a confusing thing.. Words CAN have multiple meanings.

Thank you for listening.

http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/Nintendo%20Revolution%20Small%20Pics/1.jpg http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/Nintendo%20Revolution%20Small%20Pics/2.jpg http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/Nintendo%20Revolution%20Small%20Pics/3.jpg http://www.jasoco.net/data/files/images/Nintendo%20Revolution%20Small%20Pics/4.jpg

[Daniel Thomas]

Interesting posts. It's clear to me that, regardless of one's console preferences, everyone still holds a great deal of love for Nintendo. No doubt we who grew up on NES and Super NES long for the aging rock star to pull one more grand comeback, if just for old-time's sake.

Nintendo's press event had a number of highlights, especially with the DS (watching a famous DJ play music created solely from 2 DS units playing Electroplankton was a thrill) and the upcoming Zelda. The Rev, however...I don't know yet.

I'm very impressed by the idea of downloading ROMS of Nintendo's old games. If they actually provide some genuine content, and keep the price affordable, it could prove to be the next evolutionary step console emulation needs. True, true, we all have everything ever created on our hard drives, but most folks don't, and I seriously doubt most would go through the trouble. If, however, we only see a small handful of games, and if we never see third-party games, then it just isn't gonna fly.

However, the Rev itself doesn't seem very impressive so far. The question is, what else will Nintendo show us?

Gaming forums have been in a frenzy ever since the infamous "Aries" popped up on the Broken Saints website and offered details of Revolution and Nintendo's overall strategy. It's impossible to fully say whether this really was an employee for the software house currently contracted by Sega for an upcoming Vectorman game, but I've found his tone to be consistent; most importantly, everything he has predicted would come true.

According to "Aries," Nintendo is playing a Trojan Horse. The initial press event was intended to be underwhelming. On Thursday the 19th, then they would play their hand. We've been promised, over and over, we will be shocked and amazed.

And many others have noticed that Nintendo's website is more coy about details. Revolutionary nor not, they have something up their sleeve. So will we see it tomorrow? Good question. Who's up for an office pool?

[CartCollector]

To grayrobertos:
There's SEVEN FRICKIN' PAGES. I have never read this thread before, so I scanned over Page 1. I'll read the other pages. When I feel like it.
To Jasoco:
Read my thread. The pic I have seen is neither, but it is closer to the black box. And are you SURE this black box is REALLY the Revolution? Has Nintendo approved it? Anyway, it seems more likely. The design I described would have barely any room for components, and I don't think the slot looked large enough for DVDs.
Well, if this is true, tomorrow I can put this little hot-shot scriptkiddie in his place. "Top secret design" my ass.

[slip81]

I think I'm one of few around here who is still excited about the revolution, even moreso than the PS3. To me it looks like the system has a lot of promise. Nintendo always sems to deliver excellent first party games, and I'd be willing to be that the next installments of Mario, Matroid and Zelda wil be reason enough to spend $200 or 300. Plus I'm sure the next Mario Kart will be online, which will be killer.

I'm also excited about the ability to play older games. I know I can do it for free on my PC and Xbox, but I'd be willing to pay a small one time fee for each game because A)I don't have the technical savvy to mod my Xbox and get all the ROMs running and keep them running and B) I like tosupport Nintendo as long as they aren't dicks about it.

I'll agree that there are a lot of wrong ways they can handle the ROM thing, but there are right ways as well, and hopefully they will opt for the latter.

[Jasoco]

To Jasoco:
Read my thread. The pic I have seen is neither, but it is closer to the black box. And are you SURE this black box is REALLY the Revolution? Has Nintendo approved it? Anyway, it seems more likely. The design I described would have barely any room for components, and I don't think the slot looked large enough for DVDs.
Well, if this is true, tomorrow I can put this little hot-shot scriptkiddie in his place. "Top secret design" my ass.Yes. You must not have watched the conference either. Nintendo has already confirmed it. The only thing they said they have to decide on is the color. That IS the Revolution.

LOL Script Kiddie. I hate script kiddies. They think they know everything.

The pictures I posted are the official ones. So show them to your Script Kitty friend and tell him to shut the hell up and do research. LOL

Sad to think it's still a year away.

Frankly, I never liked the PS3's design. Especially looking at that picture of the guy holding it up and it's bigger than two dictionary's. And the Xbox 360 looked cool until Nintendo showed off. Changable faceplates is one thing. But damn, I love the shiny blackness, and hope they release a black one. But I'd be happy with a solid white one as well. (It'd match my computers. LOL) But damn them if they release both at launch. WHICH ONE TO GET????!!!!

There is one reason and one reason only for me to get one at launch (Instead of waiting a month like in 2001.) Super Smash Bros. 3! When he said "I am pushing my team to make sure there's a Smash Bros at release.." I practically screamed. And I thought the Cube version was realistic. Can't wait to see what this one brings. 8-)

[calthaer]

It's all very mysterious and exciting.

Although I am in favor of this "Revolution" of which we speak, and although I confess to being a ridiculous Pokemon fan, I will agree with one thing: Nintendo is in denial. Not about the Revolution, nor about the GBA micro - about third-party support.

Now, I've read the interview where Iwata confesses that some 3rd party companies may not like Nintendo because it's making gameplay more important than glamor. Fine. Be that as it may, they still need to do something to woo SOMEONE to make good games for them.

Make no mistake, many game developers (at least on this side of the Pacific) dislike Nintendo. That may even be an understatement. Costikyan's rant at the recent GDC summarized it. Nintendo needs to court them. As popular as some Japanese franchises may be, they need American developers. They need to do what Microsoft has done, and bring talent into their fold. They're going to need more indie games like Alien Hominid. The people they need to be pleasing is not their fanbase - it's the people making games for their system.

And in that respect, Nintendo needs to get their act together.

AND - re: this Aries character:

http://www.gamebunker.com

So...let's see how that one pans out. I'm generally in favor of the less dramatic option in this instance.

[Nz17]

I think I'm one of few around here who is still excited about the revolution, even moreso than the PS3.

I'm one excited little gamer for the Nintendo Revolution. Out of the three "next-gen" systems, I think it looks the best and the brightest. Nintendo is making sure we North American gamers are going to have at least six colors to choose from. We're going to be able to play hundred of past Nintendo games, and that is one thing I am highly anticipating. My GameCube games will still be playable on the thing, and I can challenge my uncle and mother to games of Yoshi's Cookie, Dr. Mario, Bomberman, and Tetris, while I go about playing Kickle Cubicle, Starfox, Kiwi Kraze, and the Castlevanias, then later spend some quality time with the Mario platformers. And finally, play all those N64 games I never did before.

But you know, that not all that I think is good with this whole system. I'm just going to go off things we do know right now, and keep the speculation to a minimum. The older games of course will be emulated. That means that it will be very easy to make it multiplayer over the Internet. If NESticle and ZSNES have done it, then Nintendo can do it. And to play some of those games over the Internet that have come out over the years will be amazing, especially when considering the matchmaking service that will be employed.

After all, Nintendo is making the online aspect of the R very central to the whole concept. So not only can you play against your friends, but also your equals. For free. Yes, Microsoft is theoretically doing this too. But the difference with MS is that there will be two classes of people: the plebians (Silver) and the lords (Gold). The plebes can only play on the weekends and during special events, whereas the lords pay and thus can play whenever they please. With Nintendo, things will be equal. I'm sure there will be games that will have their respective companies charging for their stuff, but with Nintendo making all its stuff free, there is going to be a lot of peer pressure on the other companies to make theirs free as well.

Then there is the WiFi. DSes will instantly hook up with the R system without wires. Game and demos could be put into R games to beam onto the DS. And if people are excited about SSB3 right now, imagine if Nintendo went the way of Capcom/NeoGeo with Street Fighter Alpha 3 and made the SSB3 characters trainable on a complimentary DS version of the game, which can then be imported and exported between the R and DS versions.

And last but not least, there is form factor. I'm tired of big and loud computers and game systems. I don't needs a heater with the day's strongest hardware which only inches out the competitors. I'd gladly settle for a few Mhz less on the processor(s) clock speed for a silent, cool system, with a small total area.

But what I find truly astonishing is that Nintendo is cramming so much power into such a little system that really surpasses the other two if you look at the stats. Nintendo has 4 x 2.5GHz PPC processors; the "powerful" XBOX 360 has 3 x 3GHz PPC processors. The power of a system is figured exponentially based upon the number of processors present if utilized properly.

So let the naysayers say "Nay." I might just make this the first system I ever bought on launch day.

[Algol]

We don't know much about the Revolution, so it's a bit early to brand it as a failure or success, but it certainly sounds good so far. I somewhat doubt these downloadable NES/SNES/N64/GC will be totally free, but as long as they aren't outrageously expensive, this could be one nice little service.

[CartCollector]

You know, about these downloadable ROMs...

I was eerily prophetic. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48669&highlight=)

[lendelin]

Why in gods name did he get attacked for that??? He's right, we all know Nintendo WILL bring Mario, Zelda, Pikmin and so on to the Revolution and if those games are enough reason for him to buy the console...maybe YOU can't accept that, but for some people 5 or 6 good Nintendo games per year would be enough to buy the system. You don't need to understand that but you have to tolerate that opinion and not ****** attack him for it.


First, I didn't attack him for that, this isn't warfare, second, it is completely besides the point. Of course I can accept that someone bought the GC for the N franchises because I did exactly the same.

I critisized the belittling of the game library of the PS2 and their gamers with an elitist, exclusionary attitude. If someone (in this case Jasoco) writes that the system has basically nothing to offer and people play it because it is the most established system, he either doesn't know games or regards himself as the ultimate gamer in the center of the games universe which he reduces to the N universe.

It is not about accepting someones individual preferences, but about very irrational fanboyism spilling over into allegedly objective statements putting reality on its head. I don't think in terms of "us" and "them," of "we" and the "others," that is just beyond me. Let N, Sony and MS do the marketing hype creating smoke with mirrors, I won't do it becasue they don't pay me for that. I also like reality, not skewing reality based on wishful thinking which is illusionary.

I'm more of a Nintendo supporter than Jasoco ever will be, but that doesn't make me blind.

[ianoid]

Looking at those pictures- door = bad. They break off and don't stay open.

[lendelin]

@lendelin: you do realize that the Dreamcast, when it came out, also had a very balanced and varied game library. Yet many people held out for the PS2 and from what I gathered from asking those people who sat out in line waiting for stoes to open to buy one the typical answers to "Why are you buying a PS2?" were "It's Playstation" or "The specs are just totally awesome". Of course there were others that said more logical reasons (ie the games) but it seemed as though Sony's marketing spin worked as the "bells and whistles" seemed to be what was first on everyone's minds at the time. Games came later as the PS2 launch lineup was relatively average to pathetic (hence why a lot of Japanese people sheepishly raised their hands when they were asked "How many of you mainly use your PS2 to watch DVDs[vs. playing games]" in an old IGN interview)


Sure, the American (!) launch of the DC was great, Sega did everything right, and Sonys counter-PR-strategy worked. DC seemed outdated soon after its launch. One, but not the main reason why the DC failed.

But MS isn't Sega, and the Xbox360 isn't the DC. MS established consumer confidence in stark contrast to Segas past, the Xbox has momentum, it won more marketshares than I expected four years ago, it improved its image for the frequent and casual gamer with a very good gamelibrary, and the hardware specs and features are too impressive to make it appear outdated compared to the PS3. There is no reason for gamers to hold out for the incredible PS3 and skip the Xbox360. This mechanism won't be repeated.


I don't think Nintendo's PR was bad-they want to sell Gamecube, GBA and DS. Why turn people's attention away by splashing about Revolution footage?

I think it was bad, and for the exact same reason you stated. They focused on the present, not the future. They focused on the GC, GBA and DS, not the future of the Revolution.

E3 is a big PR-marketing circus, nothing else. You want to create excitement about upcoming titles and systems, and sometimes (like in politics) create hype about nothing. While Sony did it with a very effective smoke and mirror startegy (rendered graphics, little rubber duckies and leaves which will not represent what we will play in 2006), N created question marks because they had almost nothing to show.

There are two things which have to be distinguished: First, what we know about the systems and their appeal, and second, the analysis of the PR-strategies and their perception.

The only company which actually had to SHOW and present something was MS. The system, hardware specs, features, and real play footage was shown. A good start for a discussion.

Sony gave some hardware specs, and impressive little rendered demos. Not much, almost nothing to discuss. It was mentioned that one of the developers of the rendered demos got the development kit two months ago, certainly a mere ouverture of a game.

N showed the least. Basically a black box, wireless features, and you can download older games. The lineup for the GC was mediocre except for Zelda.

About the PR strategies and reactions: smart and pretty effective Sony! They created hype with demos, increased expectations, gave promising specs which might be kept or not; the best they could do against a pretty impressive Xbox360 which will get a one year headstart.

N created more question marks and doubt, not for the big N supporters who would be in awe if merely Awata would promise to create the best thing in the world w/o showing a thing, but for objective and laid back game enthusiasts. MS will launch its system in about six months, Sony is ready to counteract, and N gave the impression that they are far behind.

The latter is probably the truth and straightforward, but marketing hype isn't about reality and truth.


And Gamereviewgod: people were getting all happy in the pants when Sony first announced specs for the PS2 way back when. So don't just finger Jasoco for this sin as many many others have walked down that same spec/feature loving path before.

Yep, true, but I just don't understand gamers who fall for the marketing hype and keep a cool head. I don't understand the accusation/defending attitude either. Look at this thread: discussing the upcoming revolution. For heaven's sake, WHAT are we discussing? There is nothing to discuss! A little black box, wirless features, and downloading games, and the design which will be changed anyway; and about THIS there are big discussions, big accusations and defenses? It is all wishful thinking, speculation, and hype.

The only reason this thread is longer than others is twofold: speculation and wishful thinking based on nothing make exaggerated statements easier than reasoning based on realities and facts (e.g. Xbox360); second, N is the underdog, and big supporters go easily in an irrational way overboard.

This isn't an indication who created the most effective excitement. The companies have their respective fanboys in any case; marketing strategy has to focus on getting gamers who are sitting on the fence, not on those who are already in their camp.

[Gamereviewgod]

Lendelin, you nailed it.

One question though:

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is? Obviously, we've missed something. I saw a new console without anything to go along with it, which includes the most important aspect: games. We know they'll have great first party titles. So does Sony and so does MS. The latter two have excellent 3rd parties too.

Something else to think about. Could the controllers be radical enough to turn away third parties? Whereas EA could port Madden to the 360 and PS3, what if they need to alter it drastically on the R? If costs are skyrocketing for developers, will they bother? Pure speculation, but something to think about.

[Nz17]

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is?

There are many reasons that I have. I will list only those that are different from the other upcoming consoles.

1. Convenience of legally having "all" Nintendo games on one system
2. Free Net play
3. Small size
4. Silent system
5. Multiple system colors
6. Purported easiest programability
7. (speculation) Configurable controller
8. (speculation) Cheapest system

[lendelin]

Lendelin, you nailed it.

One question though:

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is? Obviously, we've missed something.

You know what it actually is? I'll be very straightforward now, just among us, the big N supporters won't read it. :)

It is the reaction of a fanbase to an incredibly poor showing of N. It is an exaggerated 'save the company' mood; it is a 'not everything is lost' movement because MS and Sonys showing made painfully clear that there are only two big boys left. N threw a couple of meat peices in the air, and suddenly an established fanbase with nostalgia and the underdog attitude makes a three star meal out of it. Even the size of the system and different colors suddenly play a role although a console isn't like sex where size matters and different colors are certainly an unimportant feature which other consoles will provide also. Non-selling points become suddenly big selling points.

Look at posts in this therad: hope that N has something up their sleeves; they will do something spectacular; they will surprise everyone; and then the repeat of non-sensical PR-statements by N that power isn't everything, good graphics don't matter, (yeah, right, RE4 sold very badly), appeal to the true gamer, getting true games, and be on the innovation front.

Sad reality is this: if this E3 press conferences made anything clear, it is that N will establish themselves as a niche company; this is their marketing strategy, and the hardware in all likelihood will follow this path.

N can't compete with all the technological resources and financial resources of an Electronics giant and PC giant anymore that fight a very aggressive battle over the long term goal who will dominate the living room; Internet features and entertainment features a PC can already provide is at the center of this battle. It is about the console as the PC and electronic entertainment center in the living room. The new Xbox is already a big push in this direction, and the new PS will be very similar.

My wishful thinking: I would like to see all three companies with equal marketshares. I wish N would be as big as Sony and MS. It would be very positive for the quality of games, and for the prices for games for us gamers. The first-party titles of N were overall very innovative, and a Zelda or Metroid game never let me down.

Unfortunately, almost everything is stacked up against N. The times that one or two games can make or break a console are over, and this for ten years now. A varied gamelibray is key, and this will depend upon who will hit the 7 to 10 million hardware base the first in the first, unless it is a head-to head race.

What we will see is a fierce competition between the Xbox360 and the PS3; similar what we saw between the SNES and Genesis in America and Europe. (in Japan the Genesis was always a distant third behind even the Turbogrfx) It will be a fight about gamedevelopers, exclusive titles, licenses, and to push online gaming as a business model.

[theoakwoody]

Okay I read the first 5 pages of this post so don't jump all over me if what I'm about to say has already been said.

First of all, I think Nintendo was forced to show something but that they are still debating on what exactly is going to go into their new system. So they grabbed one of those IBM mini computers and tried to pass it off as their system. This design is as bland as the Super Nes so I don't see what everyone is so excited about. It's a fucking external hard drive! That being said, I'm excited about the Revolution that Nintendo is promising. I still have faith in the Big N and I think they will deliver.

I'm hoping that they didn't reveal anything at E3 so that Sony and M$ won't rip off their ideas. Well, I guess the 360 is pretty set in stone but the PS3 is probably still pretty far down the road. We've all heard the rumors about VR and 3d projection, blah, blah, blah. But if Nintendo really has something up their sleeves I think they'll bring out the big guns at E3 '06 and drop a shitstorm on the competition. I just hope that they have something in the works by now because if not, with their reputation for pushing back deadlines, we won't be revolutionized until 2007.

[poopnes]

Super Smash Bros. 3! When he said "I am pushing my team to make sure there's a Smash Bros at release.." I practically screamed. And I thought the Cube version was realistic. Can't wait to see what this one brings. 8-)

And you know that its going to be one of the Wifi titles, it just has to be. This is the Rev's killer app.

[Jasoco]

Super Smash Bros. 3! When he said "I am pushing my team to make sure there's a Smash Bros at release.." I practically screamed. And I thought the Cube version was realistic. Can't wait to see what this one brings. 8-)

And you know that its going to be one of the Wifi titles, it just has to be. This is the Rev's killer app.Of course it's going to be. Listen to what the guy on stage says about it. Something about finally being able to beat Miyamoto, or Reggie, whichever, from anywhere in the world. So of course it's going to be wireless.

[Ed Oscuro]

The only killer app on this system will be the one to bury it with?

...eh, just pullin' some strings.

I've said elsewhere (eh, maybe even in this thread, but I've forgotten) that it looks like a modem. It does. No points for the design, but the XBox is a bit too enthusiastic and wild while the PS3's is very...Duo-ish.

Download games to the system? No thanks; I already own most of what I want.

I'm gonna try to stay optimistic, and of course there'll be exclusives to snap up someday. When it comes down to it, though, it's the games that count, not the console. After all, the console is simply necessary evil; a tool to let us play our games.

Nintendo has had a few last chances from me, though. I feel the quality of my gaming experience on their systems has gone straight down since my days on the N64, and not all for reasons of their fault...

[hydr0x]

@lendelin

i know your post didn't really adress me but i'd still like to show you that your theory at least doesn't work out for everyone ;)

i watched the Nintendo Conference live and i can guarantee you one thing, i was not disappointed or bored at all during it. Several people who watched it with me on vbender can prove that if you don't believe me. Reggie as always produced some laughs, as did Iwata. The Gamecube and DS stuff was pretty good if you ask me. The only negative thing i said after the conference was: "mhh they should have shown a revolution game" but mainly not because i absolutely wanted to see one ( i didn't expect them to show a running rev, there's still 1xE3, 2xTGS and 2xGC before the launch) but because i knew people would bash them for not doing so. So there you have it, i don't think Nintendo has already lost the game and there's no reason like that for me to say what i'm saying. Actually nz17 listed a few good reasons why someone could already know he buys the Rev first, imho Sony didn't show more actual facts helping on your buying decision than Nintendo. Currently i think i'll get PS3 first and Rev 2nd, depends on how expensive the stuff gets.

[Ed Oscuro]

Didn't Sony show some PS3 screens, though? Even if they're renders, that would seem to help one make purchasing decisions...and if you ask me they certainly showed no less, even without screens, than Nintendo did.

[slip81]

Lendelin, you nailed it.

One question though:

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is?

If the Revolution has a launch price of $199.99 or lower I will buy on day of release, why? Because I'm a fan of Nintendo, and to me there hasn't been a system they've made that I wouldn't want to own.

I wouldn't call myself a N fanboy, but I enjoy their first party titles a lot, and even though they didn't show any games at the conference, I seriously doubt the next installment of their mascot games will be anything less than stellar.

I know the Xbox and PS3 will also have great first party and exclusive titles, but for me they are never as interesting as the latest from Nintendo. I'd much rather play Mario Kart over Gran Turismo and so on.

Now if Sega was gonna release a new system I'd probably buy it blindly so long as I had the funds, cause I am a bit of a Sega fanboy :)

[Drexel923]

To those who already plan on buying a Revolution on day one and are raving about it, can you explain to those of us who are lost why that is?

We'll I've already answered this question 2 or 3 times in this thread but I'll do it again.

Nintendo has never let me down with a console before. Sure there were times when I thought they were idiots, but when everything was said and done, I could never say it was a dissapointment.

To me Nintendo is a test in patience. They never give you what you want right away...we've known this forever (especially regarding their game release schedules). But when their "console" is coming to an end, I think their library at least equals any other system as far as quality and fun goes.

Now onto the Revolution...things that we KNOW that gets me excited:

1. Backwards compatible with GC discs - while this may be a standard of sorts nowadays, its still extremely helpful in saving space.

2. Ability to download Nintendo's back catalogue - yes I own almost all the past Nintedo games I want, but if it's easy to use and free then I might not put the controller down (2 big IFs, but I can see the draw for those who don't/can't own all the old games)

3, Free online service - this is a huge plus. I have Xbox Live, but never seem to use it. Why should I pay money for something I'm going to use once in a blue moon. Now the 360 has their teired free/pay system, but who knows what that entails...at least I know for sure with Nintendo that it's all free.

4. Size - see answer 1.

5. Memory - 512 MB in the system and the ability to use the cheap costing SD cards...sure it's not as flashy as the other systems, but it's still good.

6. Super Smash Bros 3 Wifi at launch - No comment needed :D

Now, to me, all these things are good. And as I said before "the revolution is SHAPING UP to be a good system". This means that from what we've seen so far, there is some potential here. No one knows what is going to come of this, but that doesn't mean we can't be excited for whats been told.

[le geek]

Well I've watched all three press conferences now and the Revolution is pretty much a no show. I like what they hinted at though. Too early to tell really.

Lots of nice DS stuff in the pipeline: Viewtiful Joe, Black & White, Castlevania, Trace memory and Nintendogs. Curious to try out wifi on it too...

But man other than Zelda it's famine for the Cube this year! You've got Killer 7, Geist then it's licensed kiddie crap and Mario spin off "who haw".

Cheers,
Ben

[WanganRunner]

I wish Nintendo had done a bit more with the Gamecube, from a first-party standpoint.

It's *such* good hardware, easily my favorite out of the present three consoles....

I'm really sad to see it go without it having realized it's potential.

[Avatard]

I'm so bored of this topic. All the systems look like carbon copies really. All wireless, all online, all dvd. The only difference is the games you can play on them and the Revolution has the option to go farther with the variety of games than the others. And for me the choice is clearly Nintendo. Whats so hard about that to understand? Thats my preference. And now, please let me know how wrong my opinion is. Do I give a crap if I think it will lead the market? Hell no. Do I give a crap about what Nintendo haters think? Pfffttt. Do I really care what every person here who tries to bill themselves as experts on what systems will sell the best are? Hah again. This whole topic is complete BS after the first 2 pages.

So again I ask, is there any more info being released. Or will this continue to be pointless yammerings of how everyone here knows better than everyone else?

*yawn* -_-

[Captain Wrong]

Lendelin, you nailed it.

Bears repeating. Seriously, I think your last couple of posts have probably summed up "the deal" better than anyone else. Of course, only the people who were already inclined to agree with you are going to actually read your posts as opposed to just looking at the words.

[Gamereviewgod]

1. Convenience of legally having "all" Nintendo games on one system
2. Free Net play
3. Small size
4. Silent system
5. Multiple system colors
6. Purported easiest programability
7. (speculation) Configurable controller
8. (speculation) Cheapest system

1: How deep that's going to get is unknown. They failed to explain that.

2: Sony, for the most part, is doing that right now.

3: Hard to argue that, but the size of the system surely has no effect on the games.

4: First I've heard of that.

5: Because that's so important to a good gameplay experience.

6: That's all well and good but that doesn't mean anything to us as gamers until we see games.

7, 8: I need not say anything.

Everything you're buying a Rev for is pretty much either not important to a gameplay experience or based on speculation. See how poorly done their press conference was? You think you know exactly what they're going to provide for you, but you don't. You're making things up to try and convince yourself that the system is going to do what you want, and that seems like what everyone here praising the system is doing.


Revolution has the option to go farther with the variety of games than the others.

Can you elaborate on that? How did you come to that conclusion based on what they said?

[Avatard]

Oh come on, you're a smart guy, read what I said. Option. Options to download games from NES, SNES, N64, play GCN, and the next generation of games. Even if you have to pay for those options that makes them no less of options....

And I'm not counting hacked MAME stuff and ROMS as options for the XBox. To me those are not an option but a plauge.

Sure they didn't release much info, but they can't put the cart before the horse. Hell, they probably don't even know exactly which direction they are gonna take yet.

However its true that its a bit early to tell just yet. There are a lot of cloudy areas.

[hydr0x]

anyone else read the interview with Miyamoto over at IGN yet?? wow, lots of info in there, and it makes quite clear what Nintendo wants to achieve

to summarize the business plans:

According to Miyamoto Nintendo believes Sony and Microsoft are going the exact same "road" (no doubt about that), and they also believe that road might be a dead end sometime in the future, that's why Nintendo wants to take a different road.

while they already indicated this in the past i don't think they ever made it THIS clear. imho they could be right, and even if they are not i don't see them losing money or anything. We'll have to wait and see, but as far as i can tell Nintendo is going a road that's not going to be destroyed if another big Crash happens and that's a good thing. They might not sell as many systems as the others but as long as they make money and have good games i don't see anything wrong with that. Especially as it could be the better long-term plan....

iirc there where quite a lot of posts here where people complained about the gaming industry, hell, we even had that developer "riot" lately and people claiming the next crash is near. with all this in mind, don't you also think Nintendo is the first one actually reacting to this development??

well, i guess we'll now what worked out in 20 years, but i have the feeling Sony and Microsoft MIGHT be missing the right train soon

and one thing i know for sure after reading the interview is that every real gamer needs to buy 2 consoles (360/PS3 + Revolution) to experience the whole spectrum of gaming in the next generation

[WanganRunner]

Wow, best damned Revolution-related post I've seen in the last 2 days of insanity.

I just donated every last Meseta to you, sir (only 187, lol).

I've been rabidly absorbing Nintendo/Revolution info for the last 3 days from about a dozen forums and many, many websites, but this is the first time I've seen anyone take that angle, and I think you're very right.

Good show, wish I'd thought to say it.

[Teo]

I think I'm one of few around here who is still excited about the revolution, even moreso than the PS3. To me it looks like the system has a lot of promise. Nintendo always sems to deliver excellent first party games, and I'd be willing to be that the next installments of Mario, Matroid and Zelda wil be reason enough to spend $200 or 300. Plus I'm sure the next Mario Kart will be online, which will be killer.

I'm also excited about the ability to play older games. I know I can do it for free on my PC and Xbox, but I'd be willing to pay a small one time fee for each game because A)I don't have the technical savvy to mod my Xbox and get all the ROMs running and keep them running and B) I like tosupport Nintendo as long as they aren't dicks about it.

I'll agree that there are a lot of wrong ways they can handle the ROM thing, but there are right ways as well, and hopefully they will opt for the latter.

I'm only responding to let you know the next mario kart is on DS and is on line yes, via hotspots and your wi-fi home router

[goatdan]

and one thing i know for sure after reading the interview is that every real gamer needs to buy 2 consoles (360/PS3 + Revolution) to experience the whole spectrum of gaming in the next generation

I think that could be said about nearly every generation of consoles though... There is a lot out there every time through.

The Revolution interests me right now because I feel like Nintendo may have used this time to not reveal anything so they can leak information throughout the year and also beef up anything about the system that they need to by the time it rolls out. It could be a horrible strategy or it could be a brilliant one, but one thing that is nice is that we'll probably already know if it worked by the time it comes out.

One of the things that Miyamoto said in an interview with IGN about the Revolution was really interesting in explaining to me why Nintendo went this route:


Of course. [The controller is] set in stone. It has been determined. I'd love to show it to you. I'd love to be able to show you the features of the Revolution controller and tell you about them. However, unfortunately if we do that too early those ideas would be stolen. We know that from past history. Analog stick. Boom - gone. Rumble Pak. We bring it out and everybody has to have rumble. We got the wireless out first and now there's wireless everywhere. So we have to keep it under wraps.

I have to say that he is right about that. As soon as Nintendo adds something, it seems like everyone plays along. The wireless controller "revolution" happened after the WaveBird. The Rumble pack thing... N64. Analog joysticks... N64. Obviously, someone else would have eventually did it... but Nintendo did it first, so the credit goes there.

I'm not saying I'll buy one at launch. In fact, out of the current consoles the only one I'm interested in purchasing at all is the Xbox thanks to the Neon features. But I will definitely be paying a lot of attention to the Revolution as information leaks...

[Wavelflack]

Analog-5200.
Rumble-Outrun
Wireless-? I have wireless (RF) 2600 joysticks. I'm guessing those would be the first wireless game controllers.

[Nz17]

Everything you're buying a Rev for is pretty much either not important to a gameplay experience or based on speculation.

Yep, I know. But then again, were the reasons people bought a PS2 when it launched gameplay reasons?

[Nz17]

If nothing else can be claimed, the Revolution thread currently has about 500% of the number of posts the other threads about the other next-gen systems have (9 vs 2). So if nothing else, Nintendo has succeeded in creating an Internet buzz.

[Nz17]

Analog-5200.
Rumble-Outrun
Wireless-? I have wireless (RF) 2600 joysticks. I'm guessing those would be the first wireless game controllers.

Analogue controllers have been around for a coon's age. What matters is games with analogue sensitivity. Pac-Man's arcade controls were analogue, but the game was not analogue sensitive. Things like SEGA GT, however, are, and that makes all the difference between just pushing the fuel pedal and pushing the pedal to the metal or just a slight amount of petro.

[PDorr3]

Everything you're buying a Rev for is pretty much either not important to a gameplay experience or based on speculation.

Yep, I know. But then again, were the reasons people bought a PS2 when it launched gameplay reasons?

I agree totaly with this. I doubt everyone bought a PS2 at launch to play the latest tekken, it was all based on speculation.

I would love to check back on this topic next year after the revolution is fully exposed and see what people haveto say about what they are saying about nintendo here now.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Everything you're buying a Rev for is pretty much either not important to a gameplay experience or based on speculation.

Yep, I know. But then again, were the reasons people bought a PS2 when it launched gameplay reasons?


I guess not, but atleast the PS2 came with a built in DVD and actually promoted future releases.

[Teo]

Haha so what's it. This is actually one of the places to go to find anti Nintendo gaming people. That's why this thread is a bagillion times longer than psx360 threads, because of the anti nintendo gaming people. Shit is so simplistic I just now realized it.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Haha so wthat's it. This is actually one of the places to go to find anti Nintendo gaming people. That's why this thread is a bagillion times longer than psx360 threads, because of the antin nintendo gaming people. Shit is so simplistic I just now realized it.\


Who's bashing Nintendo? If anything this thread has a bunch of fanboys praising the Revolution for things that haven't even been set in stone.

[Teo]

you didn't notice, or you did?

[Ed Oscuro]

I was just reminded of the one reason to get a Revolution, though, the only real reason:

Nintendo exclusives.

I'm actually rather surprised (not in a good way) that the practical types here haven't picked up on this. After all, it IS about the games - and what if your funds are limited?

I buy lots of old games, but it's always been the case that I don't buy many games for a system when it's current - I've never bought more than two dozen games for a system that's current and I don't see myself breaking that habit soon. For the most part, that's true of other people. We'll have to see how popular (and good) Nintendo exclusives remain in the future, but for the moment they look promising enough.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

you didn't notice, or you did?


Noticed what? That people are supposedly "bashing" Nintendo for telling us next to nothing? That the systems only game is Super Smash Brothers 3 so far? That we can download ROMs to the system while most people have already been doing this on their PC for years?

Look, I'm not a Sony or Microsoft fanboy. If fact, I actually hope Nintendo can turn things around this upcoimg generation and regain the lead, but with all this hush hush talk and behind the sceens crap it doesn't look like they're going to. It's E3 for chirst sakes, you need to hype the people up, not play prude.

[dbiersdorf]

Nintendo creates the biggest buzz.

Viva La Revolution!

[CartCollector]

That we can download ROMs to the system while most people have already been doing this on their PC for years?

How many people were doing it legally? Actually, I think this is a good move; it's good to see Nintendo take this problem head-on, and not keep to draconian standards (*cough*RIAA*cough*). I'm sure "most people" would like to download ROMs legally, instead of having their computers confiscated.

[Lemmy Kilmister]

That we can download ROMs to the system while most people have already been doing this on their PC for years?

How many people were doing it legally? Actually, I think this is a good move; it's good to see Nintendo take this problem head-on, and not keep to draconian standards (*cough*RIAA*cough*). I'm sure "most people" would like to download ROMs legally, instead of having their computers confiscated.

Weither it's legally or not is besides the point. It's the fact people are still download Nintendo and other classic systems games for free and have been for years, it's nothing new. Nintendo is just trying to make it less taboo.

[Daniel Thomas]

Well, it seems the fabled "N-game" is over. Come and gone without as much as a whimper. I have to admit I've found the whole drama about the Revolution Conspiracy more interesting than anything at E3. Maybe I just grew up on too much Twilight Zone.

Am I wrong to feel disappointed that Nintendo showed so little of their next console? What we've seen - the black casing, the rom downloading - is nice, but I feel as though we're still being strung along. Wait just a little longer, then we'll show you the goods. Just a few days later. A few weeks. A few months. Whatever.

At the end of the day, the next Nintendo console will let us play slightly prettier versions of the games we already have. There will be the occasional blockbuster - Mario, Zelda, Metroid - that will prove a hit with the fans, but what else? Given production costs for this next cycle (up to eight figures?!), how many studios can afford anything but ports from Sony and Microsoft?

So there's that dread feeling again.

On the upside, the DS is looking terrific. I've been holding off on buying a new handheld, so I could see where Nintendo and Sony were going. Now it seems DS is really coming into its own. Free wifi Mario Kart and Animal Crossing? A new Mario Brothers? A new Advance Wars? Nintendogs? That electro-plankton-techno-thingy? Now that's better. That's the Nintendo I remember.

On Nintendogs, can you teach the dogs to hump one another? I know, that's juvenile. But, c'mon, admit it. You were thinking the same thing.

The more I think about it, if I were able to go to E3, I probably would have just avoided all the stupid hype and just hang out with Santulli and crew. I'd just plant myself on a couch and stay there.

[NintendoMan]

anyone else read the interview with Miyamoto over at IGN yet?? wow, lots of info in there, and it makes quite clear what Nintendo wants to achieve

Yes, I read it a few hours ago. I was so zoned in while reading it. It was probably the most zoned in while reading that I have been in in a while! Great article!!!!!!

I liked the part about them maybe making another Kid Icarus game!

[NintendoMan]

Look, I'm not a Sony or Microsoft fanboy. If fact, I actually hope Nintendo can turn things around this upcoimg generation and regain the lead, but with all this hush hush talk and behind the sceens crap it doesn't look like they're going to. It's E3 for chirst sakes, you need to hype the people up, not play prude.

Well of course you have heard this many times before, but Nintendo isn't releasing their system for at least another year or so. Neither is Sony with their PS3. Now while they did show more than Nintendo about their next-gen stuff, it still wasn't that much.

Like all the Nintendo executives say in interviews, they don't want to give anyways any ideas. Which of course is understandable. But why in the hell would they show everything about the system when it's still pretty far away? Now if nothing is shown at next years E3, or even before then, then we have problems. (Or they would be waiting longer to release it or something)

[NintendoMan]

How many people were doing it legally? Actually, I think this is a good move; it's good to see Nintendo take this problem head-on, and not keep to draconian standards (*cough*RIAA*cough*). I'm sure "most people" would like to download ROMs legally, instead of having their computers confiscated.

Which I think is a great idea. Since people are doing it, why not just start selling the stuff themselves.

I personally HATE ROMS! I do wish hard sentences were given out for anyone caught with them.

[evilmess]

That we can download ROMs to the system while most people have already been doing this on their PC for years?

example from cherryroms.com
Super Mario RPG (U) (IDSA Protected)
We are unable to offer this file due to Copyright restrictions (this will not change in the future!)

Nintendo is vigilant about keeping their games from being distributed on ROM sites so the argument that you can DL Nintendo ROM doesn't hold up. Sure you can DL tons of third party stuff but finding actual Ninteno ROMS isn't worth the hassle to search obscure ROM sites.

Of course there's always eBay right?
Well if the casual gamer still has their SNES then maybe $20 or $30 bucks for some janky loose Super Mario RPG isn't so bad unless you can get it for free on your Rev or at a fraction of the going eBay prices. ;)

[Teo]

hey testament89 my post simply happened to come after yours did, but it wasn't directed to you ok. But I can see it might have looked like it, actually I just read the page before that and did a quick reply.

[lendelin]

Hydrox, you fell for dumb little marketing hype!



According to Miyamoto Nintendo believes Sony and Microsoft are going the exact same "road" (no doubt about that), and they also believe that road might be a dead end sometime in the future, that's why Nintendo wants to take a different road.


This is old news, we are hearing this for over a year now. Ask yourself very honestly if you believe that the XBox360 and the PS3 is a dead end of gaming in the future. Check this with reality. Which are the best selling GC games? Which are the best selling games overall for which system? Did the game industry expand? Did the game industry increase steadily its profit margins? Did the game industry sell more games in the last couple of years than ever before?

The PR strategy for the SNES, N64, and the GC was very different. Back then I heard N officials and Miyamoto say that the increased processing power of the new systems will open up possibilities for game designers to enhance gameplay and to innovate, the new powerful systems were the future of gaming. The same stuff I hear from MS and Sony who can afford to produce more powerful systems. According to N, now a less powerful system makes a revolution in gameplay possible which never occured anyway. There are no revolutions in gameplay, only very gradual, sluggish progress year by year.


...that's why Nintendo wants to take a different road.

Do you really think that is the reason N WANTS to take a different road? 'The end of the game industry is near?'

OR does N HAS to take a different road for economic reasons? N executives know the numbers, they know their decreasing marketshares, they know that they have to share the handheld market in the future with Sony.

N is already a niche company when it comes to the console industry. 2 out of 3 games for N systems in the top ten chart every month were GBA games. In the last four years they are behind in marketshares in the US and Europe against an upstart with image problems (MS), a powerful newbie, and their established fanbase and good reputation based on past merits couldn't prevent that.

They lost the race in the most important market, America, and only the poor showing of the Xbox in Japan saved them. MS is aggressive. They will gain marketshares in Japan as well. The Square Enix deal was the beginning; and MS can take big red numbers for long-term goals which N could never take and survive. The Xbox has momentum, and N stagnates at best.

What drives system releases, their design and PR strategies is a harsh business reality, not love, faith, hope or wishful thinking.

But now listen to your reasoning:


We'll have to wait and see, but as far as i can tell Nintendo is going a road that's not going to be destroyed if another big Crash happens and that's a good thing.

You say, IF the next big crash happens, THEN Ns different route will be a blessing.

Do you think that is realistic? Every year, and I mean EVERY year, people, insiders, developers, predict in the dumbest way the next crash. It won't happen unless something very dramatic (!) in the current set-up happens. The evergreen of the upcoming crash was unrealistic babble even in 1993/94 when Sega and N dropped dramatically in profitshares. Ns profitshares decreased by 30%, and then 40% as the dominant marketleader worldwide. Not even then a crash happened.

But more importantly, you took very uncritically the PR babble of Miyamoto and other N officials we hear for a year now (power and graphics are a dead-end, not the future of gaming) and put on top of it a potential crash. Suddenly, Ns decision not to compete with Sony and MS isn't only a smart move, no, it is a move which will SAVE N in an apocalyptic setting. Sony and MS go down, and N (mysteriously) will survive.

...but not only that:


...but i have the feeling Sony and Microsoft MIGHT be missing the right train soon.


Very soon, this mysterious future in which almost everything (except N) comes to an end, will prove that Sony and MS with their current strategies are far far behind N. N is the future of gaming! You internalized the words of Miyamoto, and additionally gave it a radical spin. PR startegies for devotees sometimes really work.

You tried to reason, and the reasoning is based on faith, hope, and wishful thinking. It is unrealistic. You are not as bad as some who talk already about games we haven't even seen yet and already paraise them as the future of gaming w/o the slightest reasoning; but don't go over the clouds and reach religious levels. N isn't paradise, and Miyamoto isn't God. N is just a game company like Sony and MS, nothing more and nothing less.

Games for the Revolution? I have no clue. What's to discuss?

The new controller? I have no clue. What's to discuss?

Price point? In all likelihood cheaper, but pretty mute to discuss until we have the price for the Xbox, and more importantly the price for the PS3.

Processing Power of the Revolution? We know that according to Iwata it will be three to four times more powerful than the GC, that means much less powerful than the Xbox360 and the PS3 which will be approximately at the same level. Draw your own conclusions what this means for games, developers/publishers who develop triple A titles for the two systems and try to port it to Ns system. (hint: they won't even try)

Downloadable N games? Nothing new, not a selling point for casual gamers, not even for the majority of classic game nuts like us. (in particular if its not free)

Wirelss? Nothing new, free service? nothing new.

This thread doesn't represent big excitement about the upcoming revolution, and therefore isn't the result of an effective PR-strategy. This thread is the result of absolute irrational posts and necessary corrections. This goes way beyond esxitement for a system. It is complete irrational hysteria of a devoted, almost religious fanbase who reacts in a very human way: try to make something positive or at least something neutral out of something negative. It is a way to deal with disappointment based on faithful beliefs; a reaction we have in every area of life (also in politics, there is even a stack of empirical research about it.)

Ns PR startegy failed: it created hyper-excitement of supporters who will buy the system anyway, and it created doubts for the gamers who has to be the focus of a PR startegy: the ones who will buy only one system, or maybe a second one much later.

N doesn't have to convice you or me to buy their system, because we will buy all three of them anyway. It has to convince my neighbor who is an extreme casual gamer and bought an Xbox two years ago. There is no doubt in my mind hat he will not go for the Revolution in two or three years.

...oh, I forgot, the Revolution is only for the 'true' gamer who likes to play 'true' games. There you have your niche market. :) I can only hope that RE4 published for a very powerful system, the GC, with great graphics, and a great seller for the system is recognized by N as a 'true' game.

[PS2Hawk]

FACT:
GAMECUBE games struggle to sell.
Ninntendo's vision of Innovation cost then major third party loose this generation with Gamecube.

All of a sudden Nintendo thinks Online is important ?

Mario is being used in the stupidest games possible....Mario DDR wtf ?

DS is getting remade N64 games just like GBA started with SNES games...


Another GameBoy ?

REV is 2 times faster than GC ? thats 3 times slower than current Gen PCs....


I am certian the NES SNES & N64 game downloasds won't be free. REV is basically a legal Emulator....

[Zubiac666]

DS is getting remade N64 games just like GBA started with SNES games...



REV is 2 times faster than GC ? thats 3 times slower than current Gen PCs....





argh....i have enough!
STFU!

sorry to be rude but name another N64 port for DS than "Mario 64"?
Oh.....there is NO other....so STFU!And looking at the E3 DS release list, there will be no other ports.

Inform yourself better than you would know that this "2-3 times faster than GC"-fact is bullcrap.It was denied by Nintendo-dudes themselves.

....anyways
major off-topic:
Gottal love Nintendo for making the new Gamecube Kirby 2Dish. (http://media.cube.ign.com/media/716/716496/vids_1.html)watch the trailer. wh00t!
<(^^)> <('<') ('>')>

btw: I think that the Gamecube has an awesome lineup on E3.I don't care if Mario goes whoring in other titles.Mario Tennis(GC) is one of the best multiplayer games ever.
Also "Battalion Wars" and "Geist" are looking incredibly good.
They look ten times better than at last E3.

[Oobgarm]

sorry to be rude but name another N64 port for DS than "Mario 64"?
Oh.....there is NO other....so STFU!

Rayman? Ridge Racer?

[YoshiM]

sorry to be rude but name another N64 port for DS than "Mario 64"?
Oh.....there is NO other....so STFU!

Rayman? Ridge Racer?

PSP's doin' the same thing-porting Playstation games to it.
Let's all keep this in perspective: ports happen :P

[WanganRunner]

There's nothing wrong with ports, as long as there's original software too.

I mean, did anyone just really NOT want to be able to play Mario 64, with new stars, on the go? Does anyone find that NOT cool? I dunno, I think it's cool. I mean, it's only my favorite game of all time, updated with new content, and playable anywhere. Of all the ports, can you really complain about this one?

As for original software, the DS has no shortages, if you count what's coming out...

-New Sonic w/COOL usage of dual screens
-New Super Mario Bros. (all new 2D Mario title)
-Nintendogs
-Mario & Luigi 2
-Trace Memory
-Guilty Gear Dust
-Meteos

When the DS first came out, I wasn't sold on the idea, but now that they're seemingly finding a new use for the dual screen with each game that comes out, I'm going to be all over the thing. I think it's shaping up to be a very solid piece of hardware, especially with the WiFi functionality.

[ddockery]

Everyone is saying that Nintendo has shot themselves in the foot by not giving more details at E3, but I have yet to hear how. The Rev is still a year away at this point. Sure, people like us care, but the average gamer (IE the guys that make or break sales) don't. The majority of gamers aren't out reading E3 updates every other hour. When the system comes out, they'll buy it or not based on whatever, but you can be damn sure it won't be based on their E3 showing from "last year."

[mjluther]

N threw a couple of meat peices in the air, and suddenly an established fanbase with nostalgia and the underdog attitude makes a three star meal out of it.

That's insultingly dismissive. Pardon my lack of enthusiasm for the, roundly praised, showing of the 360, but, to me, it's a company offering the most market calculated system in history, and the vanilla gaming experiences (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617491p1.html) to complement it, versus an established innovator showing little, but promising much. I'll take the promise of greatness over real mediocrity any day

[Avatard]

Pfft, DS a N64 port platform soley? Hardly....

But still, guess which game has sold the BEST. The Mario64 port? OMG! You mean consumers are willing to buy the N64 port in mass and Nintendo is willing to providing it? HOW DUMB! I'm a business expert too! LOL

But please, spare us on all this trash spewing untill we hear more about what they are planning. Who on earth wouldn't want to know more? WE KNOW YOU DO. We KNOW very little has been released, want to take a guess as to why? Even they haven't decided yet, its STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. All this speculation is garbage.

So has there been any more releases since the original one at E3? I'd love to hear more, but from the horses mouth only.

[rbudrick]

IGNcube: Will you make Kid Icarus for Revolution?

Shigeru Miyamoto: Well, I'm actually working really closely right now with the director of the [original] game. Now, whether or not when we get the Revolution all set up and everything is finalized, well who knows? That might be one of those characters where everybody says, "Hey, with the way our console is designed, that would be a perfect match." My question to you is, if we made this game would you buy it?

IGNcube: Absolutely.

Shigeru Miyamoto: Well, we obviously can't ignore that. Okay, we'll get the Eggplant Wizard coming back.

That's the best damn thing I've ever heard! Unfortunately, I'll have to believe it only when I see it.

-Rob

[Lemmy Kilmister]

Well, I'm actually working really closely right now with the director of the [original] game.

Wasn't the director of the first two Kid Icarus games Gunpei Yokoi? If so, I don't see how Miyamoto could be working with him seeing as he's been dead since 1997.

[tylerwillis]

What? You didn't know that the N guys could raise the dead? I thought everyone knew that. :)

Random comment, I have no idea about the original director. :embarrassed:

[goatdan]

Analog-5200.
Rumble-Outrun
Wireless-? I have wireless (RF) 2600 joysticks. I'm guessing those would be the first wireless game controllers.

The 5200 analog wasn't too much of a gameplay difference, which is why it wasn't used again until the N64, when they made it worth having. OutRun doesn't count, as I don't think your average user was running out and buying OutRun arcade machines for their home. And I meant true wireless. RF has been around for a long, long time, and it sucked.


Analogue controllers have been around for a coon's age. What matters is games with analogue sensitivity. Pac-Man's arcade controls were analogue, but the game was not analogue sensitive. Things like SEGA GT, however, are, and that makes all the difference between just pushing the fuel pedal and pushing the pedal to the metal or just a slight amount of petro.

I have a Ms. Pac-Man machine, and unless it was redesigned between the two machines, I would assume Pac-Man is just as not analog as Ms. Pac-Man is. I've never heard of Pac-Man having analog controls before. Are you sure?

[Captain Wrong]

I'm sure it's going to fall on deaf ears, but damn it lendelin, you hit the nail on the head AGAIN.

I just wish I could figure out what inspires the kind of brand loyality Nintendo does. If I could create a company people get this emotional over, I'd be a very rich man. LOL

[Cmosfm]

I'm sure it's going to fall on deaf ears, but damn it lendelin, you hit the nail on the head AGAIN.

I just wish I could figure out what inspires the kind of brand loyality Nintendo does. If I could create a company people get this emotional over, I'd be a very rich man. LOL

Probably so.

I was thinking after reading this thread, I've personally been most excited about the Revolution so far as well, and I suppose thats based on pure fanboyism alone. I love Nintendo, all their systems have been sure fire winners to me.

Based on that alone, I'm hyped, despite the fact that I've seen nothing so far. LOL

[hydr0x]

sorry @lendelin but you seem to have misunderstood my whole post

am i excited about the Rev yet? NO
do i think it could be exciting? YES
am i sure it will be? NO

do i see the market crashing soon? NO
do i see a possibility it crashes in the next 2-3 generations? YES
do i think Nintendo is in a better position than Sony and MS if it does?? YES
do i think Sony and MS are doing a mistake with ONLY serving the mainstream? YES
do i think Nintendos way is/wil be better?? i have no idea, but it could be
do i think Nintendo will fail just because it has less market share?? NO

i hope you understand now that you are totally wrong with your opinion about me, i'm not excited about the Rev yet (the only reason i'm sure i'll be buying it are the first-party games) and i'm not buying any pr talk, i'm just stating that Nintendo COULD be taking the right direction right now.

[Link_Chrono]

Probably so.

I was thinking after reading this thread, I've personally been most excited about the Revolution so far as well, and I suppose thats based on pure fanboyism alone. I love Nintendo, all their systems have been sure fire winners to me.

Based on that alone, I'm hyped, despite the fact that I've seen nothing so far. LOL

You took the words right out of my mouth ;)

[rbudrick]

Wasn't the director of the first two Kid Icarus games Gunpei Yokoi? If so, I don't see how Miyamoto could be working with him seeing as he's been dead since 1997.

I don't think so...I think it was Tanabe or Tanaka...I forget which. Wait...'Hip' Tanaka did the Music, right?

I do not recall seeing Yokoi in the end credits....could be wrong though.

-Rob

[jonjandran]

Not going to look through all of the threads to see if this has been posted :

The Revolution might be "open source".

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/05/19/nintendo_promises_a_.html

http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=02ea1a40-ac09-4cdf-9548-91e5a4e78746&page=

[Mitch_Naz]

Heres my two cents worth, I love nintendo and im sure every one here has a soft spot for them.

In terms of the Revoluion -- I must say I was kinda disappointed that they didnt reveal more but the reason of ideas being stolen makes sense (Analog stick, wireless controllers all copied). I take it nintendo is doing something pretty big or "revolutionary" in terms of controller like their d-pad or analog stick. Rumors has it that it will have gyro-somthing control with pressure senestive grips. This would opens many doors of new gameplay as someting fresh and new like the Nintendo DS did, which big N refers to as influence.

So far, im pretty impressed with the Revolution's design, online promises with downloadable games and so on. There isnt much to be sad but we should all wait until the big N revelas all and stop all this bickering. One major + for Rev is that its much cheaper and easier (similalr to NGC) to develop games for = MORE GAMES < it seems to be working very well with PS2, lets just hope they're good.


We should just think of the Revolution as DS vs PSP vs Gizmondo - we know whos more powerful but when does that really matter for real ? isnt it all about the game ...... I much rather play mario bros 3 than any other platformer for any next gen console.

[Captain Wrong]

sorry @lendelin but you seem to have misunderstood my whole post

am i excited about the Rev yet? NO
do i think it could be exciting? YES
am i sure it will be? NO

do i see the market crashing soon? NO
do i see a possibility it crashes in the next 2-3 generations? YES
do i think Nintendo is in a better position than Sony and MS if it does?? YES
do i think Sony and MS are doing a mistake with ONLY serving the mainstream? YES
do i think Nintendos way is/wil be better?? i have no idea, but it could be
do i think Nintendo will fail just because it has less market share?? NO

i hope you understand now that you are totally wrong with your opinion about me, i'm not excited about the Rev yet (the only reason i'm sure i'll be buying it are the first-party games) and i'm not buying any pr talk, i'm just stating that Nintendo COULD be taking the right direction right now.

For someone "not excited" you sure have been doing your part to hype it up around these parts.

[YoshiM]

I'm sure it's going to fall on deaf ears, but damn it lendelin, you hit the nail on the head AGAIN.

I just wish I could figure out what inspires the kind of brand loyality Nintendo does. If I could create a company people get this emotional over, I'd be a very rich man. LOL

I think it all stems on experience during childhood and then passing it on to future generations. Look at Disney or even Star Wars/Star Trek. A lot of people grew up with Nintendo and in the past they really did things "right". Memorable titles, strong hardware, good marketing...things that stick with youth as they grow up.

What's really interesting is that there is about equal or greater negativity toward Nintendo than there is positive. I don't know if people who speak ill of Nintendo do so out from an objective standpoint of if they felt burned because Nintendo did live to that person's expectations. Or perhaps Nintendo fans are easy to get riled up so negative posters may just want to stir the pot to get a rise. Who knows?

[Ninja Blacksox]

Wasn't the director of the first two Kid Icarus games Gunpei Yokoi? If so, I don't see how Miyamoto could be working with him seeing as he's been dead since 1997.

I don't think so...I think it was Tanabe or Tanaka...I forget which. Wait...'Hip' Tanaka did the Music, right?

I do not recall seeing Yokoi in the end credits....could be wrong though.

-Rob

Yes. Hirokazu "Hip" Tanaka did the music for the original game.

I'm now even more excited for the Revolution. A new "Kid Icarus?" Yow. Finally, Nintendo has answered my prayers.

To me, the XBox360 looks the least exciting of the three new systems. But that's me.

-A Boy