If prices or rarities seem "off", POST THEM HERE

[digitalpress]

First of all, it states quite clearly in the book and in the online guide FAQ:

What we've attempted to do is make a guide that is not only easy to use, but informative for the collector. Each title is listed with pertinent information as well as some notes of interest. The price values and scarcity ratings listed here are to be used just as a GUIDELINE, this is NOT "the Bible". Many titles listed here are more readily available (or scarcer) in some areas than they are in others, and most likely will be found for HIGHER prices on online auctions such as eBay. This listing represents the combined efforts of many of the hobby's top collectors and dealers.

BEFORE POSTING HERE please read our philosophy on rarity ratings and pricing, right here:
http://www.digitpress.com/lists/0_dpguide.htm#dollars

Things change, and as we do try to keep up with all 35,000+ listings in our database, it's impossible to stay on top of everything at all times, so we do hope that using our philosophy you can aid us in pointing out items that are clearly outdated. Please use this thread to do so!

Thanks as always for your support! The database gets better with every scrap of info we get and we really do appreciate it.

[Arcturius]

I know I myself would like some rarity feedback/ideas on the PAL Saturn & XBox stuff too.

[anagrama]

I know I myself would like some rarity feedback/ideas on the PAL Saturn & XBox stuff too.

The PAL Saturn stuff seems pretty spot-on to me, at least everything I've been looking up :) (Got Marvel Super Heroes for a tenner today :) )

[Arcturius]

The PAL Saturn stuff seems pretty spot-on to me, at least everything I've been looking up :) (Got Marvel Super Heroes for a tenner today :) )

Thanks but if there any you come across that you don't agree with feel free to pester me about 'em.

[Richter Belmount]

Yeah I think the dungeon explorer 2(r8) rarity is off I mean I see it like 2 times a month on ebay when I see keio flying squad for sega cd a r6 like only 4 times a year.

[k8track]

*Meekly steps up to the microphone, taps on it* "Is this thing on?"

Well, the book and the online rarity guide lists the PS1 Namco Museum Vol. 2 at a rarity of 1 and Volumes 4 and 5 at a rarity of 2, with prices listed at $5 for all. I think they're quite a bit rarer and pricier than that; I've only seen two Volume 2's and one each of Volumes 4 and 5 in all my collecting and travels (all of which I snapped right up). I don't find them to be the least bit common.

Also, should there be separate listings for Volumes 1 and 3 to distinguish between the original packaging and the Greatest Hits packaging? I've only seen the original Volume 1 once and never have I seen the original Volume 3 (I'm still looking for this one!).

(This is just what I've observed from travelling to brick and mortar stores and not online.)

[Kid Ice]

*Meekly steps up to the microphone, taps on it* "Is this thing on?"

Well, the book and the online rarity guide lists the PS1 Namco Museum Vol. 2 at a rarity of 1 and Volumes 4 and 5 at a rarity of 2, with prices listed at $5 for all. I think they're quite a bit rarer and pricier than that; I've only seen two Volume 2's and one each of Volumes 4 and 5 in all my collecting and travels (all of which I snapped right up). I don't find them to be the least bit common.

Also, should there be separate listings for Volumes 1 and 3 to distinguish between the original packaging and the Greatest Hits packaging? I've only seen the original Volume 1 once and never have I seen the original Volume 3 (I'm still looking for this one!).

(This is just what I've observed from travelling to brick and mortar stores and not online.)

seconded...I rarely see 4 and 5 (although I do see them)...if I wanted to collect N-A-M-C-O I could see myself shelling out a lot more than 5 bucks per disc

[DR. Luigi M.D.]

For the NES, The Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy is listed twice as a rarity of 2 and one of 7. Further examination reveals the 7 as an aladdin cart. All of the other aladdin cart games have "(aladdin)" at the end of the game name. Please change the 7 listing to the same structure as the rest for the benefit of future guide users.

I had already burned that rarity into my brain without doing further research :oops: and snatched up the 2 most ravenously :evil: .

So, it might help the next guy!?

[vintagegamecrazy]

I will say that the Myst demo for Jaguar CD is way too high $7 I cant sell those things I have tried to give them away and no one will take them at all and they won't even sell on ebay.

Genesis- Heavy Nova, Guide says $20, way too high for that game IMO I can't seem to get that much for it and I tried.

[Landon]

Well, here's one perspective of this humble NES collector.
I am an avid cataloguer of NES ebay listings (nothing better to do at work for about 6 hours a day LOL ) in addition to being an avid NES-Bwana at yard sales, the flea market, thrift stores and the 5 game stores in a 100 mile radius of here. I also keep a fairly large online network of fellow NESies.

Jimmy Connors Tennis for NES- Presently a R6, should be a R7. A solid R7.
The hardest cart there is to find that absolutley no one knows about.
If a RPG- not a sports title- had the same degree of rarity as JCT, it would sell for 3 digits.

Aladdin Carts- Presently, there is a large influx of them on the market.
The story is (directly from the horses mouth)- A woman in upstate NY discovered a tractor trailer full of them at an auction (she bought it for the trailer and not the contents @_@ ) and contained therein was a great number of Aladdin carts and deck enhancers. She has been selling them on ebay, and sold a number of them to a retro game dealer.
Are they really R7's? I would imagine so. I think the number of them out there is definitley very slim, but the present state of the market saw a vast quantity introduced when the buyers market for them are the scant few hardcore NESies who even know the thing exists. I think for the time being, it might deserve detention in R6, but as soon as the available supply dries up and there is no central source of them, back to R7.

I do believe that Snow Brothers deserves to be a R7 also (presently a R6).
Tremeandously difficult title to find.

I won't carry on anymore, but those are my 3.

Upgrade Snow Bros, JCT from 6's to 7's, and consider a possible downgrade of Aladdin carts.

[PapaStu]

Well, the book and the online rarity guide lists the PS1 Namco Museum Vol. 2 at a rarity of 1 and Volumes 4 and 5 at a rarity of 2, with prices listed at $5 for all. I think they're quite a bit rarer and pricier than that; I've only seen two Volume 2's and one each of Volumes 4 and 5 in all my collecting and travels (all of which I snapped right up). I don't find them to be the least bit common.

Noted. I myself dont have 4 and 5. The last time I saw 4 it was just had the front cover of the manual and nothing more, and before that it was at the CGE auction where I let the NAMCO letter set sell for 140 to the person who overbid me.


Also, should there be separate listings for Volumes 1 and 3 to distinguish between the original packaging and the Greatest Hits packaging? I've only seen the original Volume 1 once and never have I seen the original Volume 3 (I'm still looking for this one!).
Nose. Those appear in the 'notes' on the game. We here at DP try to keep mutiple listings from happening and its purely just a cover and disc art change before the GH release. Remember however that the disc art for the second covers are different than the disc art for the NAMCO set (which just has a huge letter for whatever disc that was). They mirror the GH releases just with a colored letter i think (my copies arnt with me at the moment so im not 100% sure). They have been updated and will show as such in the next update.

[SkiDragon]

It tells me the Xbox Music Maker is a rarity of 10. Doesnt this seem a little high?? Ive seen these in stores, and I own one myself (just the CD). Is the rarity for the microphone and whatever else included? I just thought R10s were items you would never realistically see in stores. This must be wrong.

[Arqueologia_Digital]

I know i will be a good contributor with all the rarities of the big southamerican continent...Atari 2600, Master system, NES, SuperVision, etc.

Cheers,

Matías

[mumbai]

Galaxian for the ColecoVision seems to be off:

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9478

Especially when compared to Jungle Hunt:

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9541

It's been my experience that Galaxian does in fact show up more often than Jungle Hunt, but not overly so. $15 is far too low a valuation for the game.

I'd suggest minimally bumping up it's value to $20. Maybe that's enough.

However, if I had to speak my part, I'd bump the value to $25 and raise the rarity one notch from R4 to R5. This still places it below Jungle Hunt (R6/$30), but properly distances it from the more common Atarisoft titles of Defender and Centipede (both R3).

[yok-dfa]

I think the rarity and price of the PAL version of Pengo for the Atari 2600 are way off.

Currently the rarity in the database is R8, but i propose to make this a R10. Why? Exact production numbers of this game are not known, but it was only sold in a few shops in the UK for a limited time at the end of the Atari 2600's lifecycle. Also, so far only 4 copies (all loose) have been confirmed to exist. In comparison, Mangia (which is a R9) is much, much easier to get.
I don't know what the correct value would be, but $35 is a very low estimate. I've talked to several PAL collectors about this game and they wouldn't hesitate to pay at least a few hunderd $$$ for this game.

[Mayhem]

I'm just glad I have a copy :)

Okay, so it's a PAL prototype, but still, it's PAL Pengo heh.

But I agree, PAL version is a 9 if not a 10 on the rarity scale.

[yok-dfa]

I'm just glad I have a copy :)

Okay, so it's a PAL prototype, but still, it's PAL Pengo heh.

But I agree, PAL version is a 9 if not a 10 on the rarity scale.

AFAIK it's not a prototype. It was sold in shops (or shop? i don't know) and for a limited time only... I guess yours is loose too? Also where did you get it? So far, i've only been able to track down 4 (5 including yours) copies. Marco has one, there's a picture of one on the gamereset.de website, but i don't know who currently owns that copy, and i have 2 of them ( :evil: ).

[Keir]

However, if I had to speak my part, I'd bump the value to $25 and raise the rarity one notch from R4 to R5. This still places it below Jungle Hunt (R6/$30), but properly distances it from the more common Atarisoft titles of Defender and Centipede (both R3).
I agree that Galaxian is much harder to find than Centipede and Defender, but rather than raising Galaxian, perhaps Centipede and Defender should be lowered? I would suggest ratings of R2/$5 for both (I bought them sealed for less than that).

[Mayhem]

AFAIK it's not a prototype. It was sold in shops (or shop? i don't know) and for a limited time only... I guess yours is loose too? Also where did you get it? So far, i've only been able to track down 4 (5 including yours) copies. Marco has one, there's a picture of one on the gamereset.de website, but i don't know who currently owns that copy, and i have 2 of them ( :evil: ).

What I have is definitely a prototype. It's in the traditional black case with the Atari typed label on it saying "Pengo (PAL)". Like most prototypes you see.

I don't know if Marco has a proper picture labelled version, but I got the proto from him last year. Only cost me $150 which is rather why I took it (as I knew any PAL version of it was very hard to find).

[yok-dfa]

What I have is definitely a prototype. It's in the traditional black case with the Atari typed label on it saying "Pengo (PAL)". Like most prototypes you see.

I don't know if Marco has a proper picture labelled version, but I got the proto from him last year. Only cost me $150 which is rather why I took it (as I knew any PAL version of it was very hard to find).

Aha, so you don't have the original released version :D The counter goes back to 4 then. Take a look at http://www.gamereset.de/freakshow/things.htm (click the Pengo link). I have two cards exactly like that, only one of them has some black tape over the text "for use with paddle controllers" (which is incorrect obviously). I think Marco has a proper labeled version, but i think his label was in poor condition (remember getting a PM from him about that). I am still wondering who currently owns that Pengo from gamereset.de though...

(/me still thinks this should be a rarity 10)

[Mayhem]

None of the javascript popup links work for me on that page. Just return errors.

[yok-dfa]

None of the javascript popup links work for me on that page. Just return errors.

Not even if you start at www.gamereset.de and follow the links from there ?(gamereset -> Freakshow -> things never seen -> pengo)

I noticed it is actually pretty hard to find a good picture of a black label PAL pengo (even with Google). Just in case, this is a pretty bad photo of one of the carts i own: http://axtelius.se/palimages/343.jpg (notice the black tape over the text. it comes out pretty weird in the picture)

[anagrama]

Here's the direct link: http://www.gamereset.de/freakshow/pic/things/pengo.jpg

[Mayhem]

Yeah I'd see that shown over at AA. As said, mine is an actual prototype version of it. Whether it differs code wise from the actual released version is another matter.

[Big Papa Husker]

Fox Hunt for PSX
I have seen it go on EBAY for about $20, and local stores sell them for $14.99. Maybe it will be worth more later, but ATM, I havent seen it go as high as the guide says.

Suikoden II for PSX
It seems that loose copies are going from $65 - $75, while complete are going for $110-$120 on Ebay. The local stores sell it for $99.99, so I think the rarity may be raised a notch, as well as the price.

Valkyrie Profile for PSX
Similar to Suikoden II, loose copies go for about the guide's suggested price while complete copies hit around $100. I havent seen this game more than 5 times in the wild, one of them getting it disc only for $5 Anyway, maybe it should be bumped up to a 4 and the price be bumped up a bit.

Dragon Warrior for NES
I see this game EVERYWHERE... Goodwill, local shops, ebay.. In the past month I've seen it about 6 times. Price wise, at the Goodwills it has been about $2, at the local game stores $4, which is a tiny bit lower than the guide price.

I dunno if these will help at all, but I thought I might as well post suggestions.

[mumbai]

However, if I had to speak my part, I'd bump the value to $25 and raise the rarity one notch from R4 to R5. This still places it below Jungle Hunt (R6/$30), but properly distances it from the more common Atarisoft titles of Defender and Centipede (both R3).
I agree that Galaxian is much harder to find than Centipede and Defender, but rather than raising Galaxian, perhaps Centipede and Defender should be lowered? I would suggest ratings of R2/$5 for both (I bought them sealed for less than that).

I'd still like to see Galaxian raised, in value, if not in rarity. I know eBay isn't the only yardstick, but for the past three or so years, it would require a small stroke of luck to pick up the game for under $20 as a loose cartridge. That's with both labels intact, as a lot of copies floating around are missing the spine label. It's just not an easy find, and I know I'd never let one go for $15, and I tend to trade out items "below book" in most cases.

I'm not so sure about lowering either Defender or Centipede at all. Although there is at least one large stash of NOS copies (and yes, I've purchased sealed copies at or below $5 apiece as well), taking in the big picture, they are justifiably R3. Neither Centipede nor Defender show up in quantities outside that NOS stash all that much -- far more often than Galaxian or Jungle Hunt, but not nearly so often as I think an R2 game should/would (even taking into account NOS).

[hydr0x]

imho this rarity is off by one or too numbers

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=12514

it's the Exertainment Double Pack (Mountain Bike Rally / Speed Racer)

this is the game that basically only surfaced sealed from some warehouse stock, right? how many copies were found there?? i can't believe there were more than 100. Compare this with other games, e.g. NWC 1990 (NES), which has 116 copies and is an R10. Shouldn't the Exertainment Double also be a R10 and if not at least an R9??

it also doesn't stand a comparison with other SNES R8s, like Fun N Games with 2000 produced units.

I understand it could be possible that a few thousand of the exertainment cart actually exist somewhere, but i'm pretty sure those are not in circulation (and maybe will never be) and shouldn't the rarity the reflect the actual availability of the game?!?

[digitalpress]

FYI foks, I'm just getting caught up with this thread and have addressed everything mentioned here in the actual database. You won't see the changes immediately but you will see them in the next update scheduled later tonight.

One slight hitch: the PSX guys have the current version of the PSX database - so though I've made some changes on my side, ultimately it will be up to them to change their files as well.

Thanks for the feedback. Keep it coming!

[hydr0x]

just to add this to my snes complain:

i also think that either the SNES COmp. carts should be raised to R10 (how many actually exist??) or the NWC lowered to R9, i have the feeling those should be in the same category, but maybe i haven't got a clue about US rarity ;)

[digitalpress]

just to add this to my snes complain:

i also think that either the SNES COmp. carts should be raised to R10 (how many actually exist??) or the NWC lowered to R9, i have the feeling those should be in the same category, but maybe i haven't got a clue about US rarity ;)

No way.

When I went looking for a StarFox and DK Country comp cart, I found them both within two months and didn't pay more than $250 for either (and the DK one was boxed).

They're not even in the same league as the NWC cart.

[anagrama]

Aren't there like 2500 of each the competition carts or something?

[D_N_G]

imho this rarity is off by one or too numbers

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=12514

it's the Exertainment Double Pack (Mountain Bike Rally / Speed Racer)

this is the game that basically only surfaced sealed from some warehouse stock, right? how many copies were found there?? i can't believe there were more than 100. Compare this with other games, e.g. NWC 1990 (NES), which has 116 copies and is an R10. Shouldn't the Exertainment Double also be a R10 and if not at least an R9??

it also doesn't stand a comparison with other SNES R8s, like Fun N Games with 2000 produced units.

I understand it could be possible that a few thousand of the exertainment cart actually exist somewhere, but i'm pretty sure those are not in circulation (and maybe will never be) and shouldn't the rarity the reflect the actual availability of the game?!?

This is not entirely true, my first copy for example was found at a gamestop loose for 4.99. There are many fitness outlets that probably also have copies with the accompanying fitness exertainment equipment, and have seen some on ebay bundled this way

Currently this should remain an R8, with a possibility of moving rarity for the future as more facts and findings come through. No sense in Grailing this until we can solidly prove it.

It's Better to be cautious in cases like this, and remember this is our first attempt at rating SNES, so many things are sure to slide around as we get all the input

[hydr0x]

Aren't there like 2500 of each the competition carts or something?

well if the number is really anywhere that high than it of course is by far not an R10, sorry :D

@DNG

ah i didn't know any surfaced in the wild, so maybe they were only distributed to Fitness Outlets, have you tried asking some of the owners of those about it? i agree that if it was actually distributed to those a R8 fits quite good as there are many Fitness Outlets, if it was only marketed to those though and wasn't successfull at all imho a R9 would fit it better, but as you said we should wait and see before we rate it to high....

thinking about this, i know there's not a real borderline between R8 and R9, but how do you decide this? i have about 5 titles in this borderline area for PAL SNES and i was wondering.... also if Fun n Games was really limited to 2000, and R10 goes up to ~200 copies i was wondering if Fun n Games shouldn't already be a R9

[anagrama]

also if Fun n Games was really limited to 2000, and R10 goes up to ~200 copies i was wondering if Fun n Games shouldn't already be a R9

Since when did R10 go up to 200 copies?

The FAQ clearly states:
"R10: Not only is this the centerpiece of a collection, but a ten also means you could be holding a one-of-a-kind (certainly one of no more than a dozen or so)"


ALso, the 2500 figure for the DK Comp Cart is clearly mentioned in it's DB description ;)

[hydr0x]

also if Fun n Games was really limited to 2000, and R10 goes up to ~200 copies i was wondering if Fun n Games shouldn't already be a R9

Since when did R10 go up to 200 copies?

The FAQ clearly states:
"R10: Not only is this the centerpiece of a collection, but a ten also means you could be holding a one-of-a-kind (certainly one of no more than a dozen or so)"


ALso, the 2500 figure for the DK Comp Cart is clearly mentioned in it's DB description ;)

i know the R10 is defined like that in the FAQ, but it's not used like that, see NWC cart, but you're right on the R10 and i haven't had any game in any of my lists i would have even thought about R10, as i said it's more the R8<->R9 decision that's hard for me...

[anagrama]

What games are you unsure about?
Might be wise starting a PAL SNES thread and getting the considered opinion of other collectors?

Personally speaking, I'd consider games rated R9 to be those that have an extremely limited availability or distribution - the only ones I've assigned on my sections were SMS Smurfs 2 (only 30-40 copies known to be circulating, all found in the Czech Republic) and the PAL Good Deal Games MegaCD releases (around 5 copies of each pressed).

Also, as DNG said above, in cases of real uncertainty it's almost always best to err on the side of caution and give them the lower rating - it can always be changed later if further information surfaces, and that's always preferable than risking over-rating something.

And I know there were at least 116 copies of the NWC '90 manufactured, but that's really the exception rather than the rule - after all, it is one of, if not THE, Holy Grail of videogame collecting ;)

[hydr0x]

Personally speaking, I'd consider games rated R9 to be those that have an extremely limited availability or distribution - the only ones I've assigned on my sections were SMS Smurfs 2 (only 30-40 copies known to be circulating, all found in the Czech Republic) and the PAL Good Deal Games MegaCD releases (around 5 copies of each pressed).

well, the Mega CD games MUST be R10 with 5 copies per game, no way they are classified as R9!!

the games i'm talking about are actually games only published in one country (either Spain or Italy), so that would make them qualify. i will open up a topic about them but i'm pretty sure it won't really help as one of the games actually wasn't known at all until i found it during snes research LOL

[Gapporin]

A little threadjack here:

I was looking in the Atari section, and I noticed that the Touch Pad was given a R2. Then, I saw that Star Raiders (w/ Touch Pad) was given a R1. Does this mean that Star Raiders is more common than the Touch Pad? Should the Touch Pad be an R1 or R2?

[sharp]

As owner of quite some Neo Geo Pocket games I have the feeling the rarity-ratings are not real right. Some games are put much to high in rarity while others are much more common. So I give my opinion about what it should be in my humble opinion for every game/ items which is misrated.

Baseball Stars JP R3 EUR R8
Japanese version is quite easy to find, the English version is really a pain to find (it took me 2 years to find a copy)

Dive Alert (both versions) JP R3, USA R5, EUR R6-7
I think this game is rarer as most people think, for Europe the rating for Matt's version is completly wrong as they are both hard to find.

Dynamite Slugger JP R4 EUR R6
European version is much rarer then the Japanese. The Japanese version isn't so rare but need some search to be found.

Evolution JP R4 EUR R7
Evolution shows up on ebay still quite sometimes, It is one of the rarer games but I think a R7 rating is more reasonable as the game isn't that hard to get if you have the money. Japanese version isn't hard to find, only don't pop-up so much as the game is complete in Japanese

Faselei JP R4 EUR R6
The Euro version isn't as rare as much people think, it's mainly the reputation of the game which kes it highly sought. So I think a R6 is more reasonable.

Gals Fighter EUR R7
I think the Euro rating is a bit too low and should be 7.

Magical Drop EUR R6
Magical drop in the European version is hard to find these days and is for sure much rare then the R4 it's mentioned now.

Mezase! Kanji Ou JP R8
This game is really hard to find complete boxed and is a R8 for sure

Mizuki Shigeru no Yokai Shashinkan JP R8
I think R8 is more reasonable as the game is also a hell to find.

Neo Geo Cup '98 Plus EUR R8
Much harder to find then most people think. It's one of the games the two games I still miss in my NGP-collection.

Neo Poke Pro Yakyuu JP R6
Japanese version sold much more copies then most people realise, cmore a R6 then R8

Pachinko Hissyou Guide Pocket Parlor JP R9
Almost impossible game to get, maybe the rarest game on the NGP.

Pocket Reversi EUR R8
Less rare as people original thought, but still the hardest to find English Color release

Pocket Tennis EUR R8
Damn this is the other game I still missing, damn hard to catch this game in English version.

Puzzle Link EUR R7
The first part is much harder to find as part 2 so R7 is much more reasonable.

Puzzle Link 2 EUR R6
Think it's a bit harder to find this game so maybe a 6

Samurai Shodown EUR R7-R8
Very hard to find this game, cost me a damn year to find a copy.

Samurai Spirits Special Box JP R5
Not that rare combination of NGP with SS, shows up once every while.

Sonic the Hedgehog Pocket Adventure EUR R3
Certainly not the most common game, still sold a lot but more R3.

This are my suggestions, so I maybe you can give a reaction.

[Mayhem]

In regards to the NGPC titles, I will be doing some adjusting on them anyhow at some point when I return from holiday. Your comments are noted.

Needless to say, the black and white UK titles will be going up in rarity. That's one area I did underestimate in my evaluation (long story here about me being involved with this section) so they will be going up to R7 or R8 levels.

Having said that, I see Samurai Spirits UK b&w fairly often both in people selling and on eBay. That and Pocket Tennis I consider the "easiest" UK b&w titles to get but that's not saying very much. I still need Pocket Tennis myself (have the other four) but I know lots of NGPC collectors with it!

Sonic, to my knowledge is one of the biggest selling NGPC titles with over 100k units. I can find it everywhere. It's definitely not an R3 rarity.

You have to remember that just because titles turn up on eBay frequently, doesn't mean they are less rare. I hardly see Evolution or Faselei for private sale for example. Why? Because everyone knows what they go for and puts in on eBay instead! They are both definitely still some of the hardest UK titles to find.

The equivalent to them on the PS1 for example was the original Dragonball GT. 10k copies, far far less than many other PS1 titles and yet you could still find 4-5 copies on eBay quite often going for big money because people knew its worth. Whereas less publicised "rarer" titles were going for less.

I don't just take eBay to be my source. I take other NGPC collectors and their opinions too.

Dive Alert wise, Matt's version is quite easy to find. Becky's definitely is not. Sales figures I imagine. But I could easily pick up Matt's version UK wise back then and now, but it would take eBay or a lucky private sale to snag Becky. I've been collecting NGPC since 2000 so I've got 5 years worth of searching experience to help me here :)

So that's staying where it is...

Part of my rarity assessment is based on how many people I know have copies as well. After all, they've gone through the process of hunting down copies as well. To this end, I have seen a few more copies of Pro Yakyuu about so the rarity on that probably will come down a point.

I've seen more complete Ghost Studio than Mezase so GS will probably sit still, and Mezase may go up a point. PlayAsia quite often gets in a copy or two of GS btw if you are still looking for it. It certainly fell in my lap earlier than Mezase. That was one of the last JPN titles I got.

I'm undecided about Pocket Parlor guide. I got my copy EARLY in my collecting career. I know many people after it, but also many people with it. It's one of those marmite entries. Certainly seen more of them in collections than a certain hanafuda title currently ranked R9.

I might drop Pocket Reversi UK to R8. We're still not certain how many are out there in total, last count yielded about 30 complete copies. So it could be somewhere between 50-100. But who knows?

Btw this is my NGPC collection ;)

http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/ngpc.jpg

http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/ngpcbw.jpg

http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/ngpcjapan.jpg

It's missing NG Cup 98 Plus UK b&w as I got it after these pics were taken...

[sharp]

Thanks for you're information. Yes maybe I'm a bit wrong with my information about some games. I think it's also the difference between the UK, where the distribution of NGP was much mbetter then in the Netherlands, we're distribution stopped after the release of Dark Arms. So here you won't see that many clamshell versions of Sonic. Also I had much more trouble catching Dive Alert Matt, then with the Becky version, but that was years ago.

About Pocket Reversi, I know three owners in The Netherlands, got mine last year for only 10$ brand new.


About the b/w games, I think KoF R-1 is the most common of the English. I see that one popping up every now and then.

Oh and you have a great collection oh and if you find some other copy of Neo geo Cup '98 Plus please point it to me as I really want that game.

[hydr0x]

Pocket Tennis EUR R8
Damn this is the other game I still missing, damn hard to catch this game in English version.


hah, i've got it, boxed and absolutely mint, it came with my NGP i bought from ebay, both together did cost me 30€, everything boxed, the seller had some more of those packages iirc

give me a Primal Rage or DarXide 32X and it's yours LOL

[sharp]

hah, i've got it, boxed and absolutely mint, it came with my NGP i bought from ebay, both together did cost me 30€, everything boxed, the seller had some more of those packages iirc

give me a Primal Rage or DarXide 32X and it's yours LOL

I would have give you my Kizuna Encounte PAL Neo Geo AES if I had one LOL

[Mayhem]

On the KoF R1 front UK b&w wise, it turns up as much as Samuari Spirits does. Was forgetting about it there. Maybe a little more. So that'll sit at the lowest occurance rarity, but it's still about R5 or R6 level.

I got lucky with my NGC 98 Plus UK b&w copy. Found a seller in Spain with one. However he would only take bank transfer and he didn't speak a word of English! Not to let these barriers stop me, I persuaded him to allow me to send him cash Euros instead. All went well thankfully, and about 10 days after sending the money, I got my game.

Total cost? 50 Euros. Seeing as a complete copy had recently sold on eBay for four times that amount (and I had lost out on) then I was very pleased :D

[PapaStu]

I still think that the US stuff needs to be bumped up (and taken off of the Complete and moved to the Cart listings) but I'm pretty sure that its Larry's and not your call right Mat (at least for the US stuff)?

[Mayhem]

As the section is priced as "complete" to begin with... it's hard to section off Last Blade and Faselei, which is why I put the disclaimer about both in the description field.

To my knowledge, I'm in charge of the whole NGPC section now. I think so. Got the impression when talking to Joe but I could be wrong. Still, it'll be looked at when I return from holiday :)

[digitalpress]

A little threadjack here:

I was looking in the Atari section, and I noticed that the Touch Pad was given a R2. Then, I saw that Star Raiders (w/ Touch Pad) was given a R1. Does this mean that Star Raiders is more common than the Touch Pad? Should the Touch Pad be an R1 or R2?

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

[digitalpress]

I still think that the US stuff needs to be bumped up (and taken off of the Complete and moved to the Cart listings) but I'm pretty sure that its Larry's and not your call right Mat (at least for the US stuff)?

Mat is the primary editor of the NGPS section.

[Mayhem]

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

Was the cart sold at some point without the controller? Or have some of the controllers gone wayward over time compared to the carts? Peaked my curiousity here :)

[Keir]

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

Was the cart sold at some point without the controller? Or have some of the controllers gone wayward over time compared to the carts? Peaked my curiousity here :)How about we save ourselves the trouble of finding out and just call them both R1/$1? Even if the controller is slightly rarer than the cart, it's still common as dirt.

[digitalpress]

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

Was the cart sold at some point without the controller? Or have some of the controllers gone wayward over time compared to the carts? Peaked my curiousity here :)How about we save ourselves the trouble of finding out and just call them both R1/$1? Even if the controller is slightly rarer than the cart, it's still common as dirt.

Yeah this is about the least interesting conversation we've ever had in this forum :)

[kevincure]

Mayhem,

Concerning the original DB:GT (PSX), we now know there were almost 20,000 copies sold. The rarest PSX US releases (aside from stuff like 2Ball - we should do a roll call on who has this demo, btw - and some of the Lightspan games) had 3-4000 copies sold. I think DB and Papastu are on the money when they list only 3 non-Lightspan games as R8. R7 is what I would consider similar to ER on my own list, and my guide is that if I can confirm 12000+ sold or see them with any frequency on ebay and in private sales, they're not ER.

[tylerwillis]

Thought I might contribute a few points. I collected all 248 US Dreamcast games once… and then sold the collection. I started recollecting them again and am about 24 games short of having the complete collection. I’ve done this mostly through eBay, so I’d thought I’d take a look through the list and see if anything jumped out at me as being off on rarity. Feel free to absorb/discard recommendations.

102 Dalmations, currently R2 – I say R1 = you can get this anytime, anywhere
Caesar’s Palace 2000, currently R3 – I say R4 = one of the first titles on my search list, one of the last titles that I obtained (still don’t have it the second time around) – shows up a handful of times on eBay in a month
Dead or Alive 2, currently R3 – I say R2 = easily obtainable, I’ve sold dozens
Deep Fighter, currently R3 – I say R4, maybe R5 = ditto Palace 2000 comment
Disney’s Dinosaur, currently R3 – definitely R4
Dragon Riders – currently R2 – should be R4, it’s pretty hard to come by
ESPN – both titles can be bumped up a notch – they’re not easy to get (I’m still looking for Track and Field)
F1 – up to R3
Grinch – same as F1
Gundam – bring down to R3 – it’s not easy to come by, but it’s readily available
Heavy Metal – R2
Hoyle – up to R4
Illbleed – should be R2, if not R3
Kao – should be R4, possibly R5
Max Steel - should be R2, if not R3
Mr. Driller – should be R4
Namco Museum – possibly bring it down to R3
NBA Hoopz – R3
Next Tetris – R3
Roadsters – R3, probably R4
Seventh Cross – R3
Soul Calibur – it’s not rare, R1 – these things are everywhere
Spider-Man – bring it down to R3, maybe R2
Spirit of Speed 1937 – R4 – one of the harder titles to grab
Tee Off – the R5 is way off – it’s R3
Tokyo Racers – no rarity change, but neither is spelled “Extreme” – they are both “Xtreme” – that’s direct from the case
Toy Story 2 – bring it up to R3, maybe R4
Urban Chaos – ditto
Wetrix – R3
Who Wants to Beat – R3
Worms World – might bring down to R4

Anyway, feel free to use these. Also, if an editor/admin want to contact me, just PM and I’ll respond. I’d like to help/contribute and I have a decent knowledge of the Dreamcast stuff.
Tyler

[Cthulhu]

I have some suggestions about a few random rare Japanese titles. I've been living in Japan for about 9 months now (and I spent a year in Osaka prior to moving to Japan this time), and I've been frequenting plenty of used game stores, including the shops in Akihabara.

Blast Wind, Saturn JP - A much rarer game than Radiant Silvergun actually. It never goes for all that much money but is extremely hard to find. I sold my original copy many years ago and spent nearly two years trying to find it again before stumbling upon it at a used Japanese game store in Hong Kong. I'd rate BW a solid 6, and I wouldn't be surprised if it moved up to 7 in a few years. Price of $50 to $60.

Hyper Duel, Saturn JP - More valuable than Blast Wind but easier to find. I think there might be fewer copies available but it's more well known and more people are looking to buy it. R6, $90 to $100.

Popful Mail, TurboGrafix 16 JP - Currently listed as an R8, this game is far more common than that. It's a late, late title for the system and still a little pricey but I have seen tons of copies of it here. I'd bump it down to an R7 for sure. Maybe even an R6... Price of $50 to $60, not $120. I hate to ask for a downgrade to a game I own, but the entry here is a little... "inflated." ^^;

Remy Blaster, TurboGrafix 16 JP - I've seen this game in the collectors cases at used stores in Akiba and Osaka a few times, but I've never played or bought it. There's no entry at all for the game currently. It's probably an R7 or R8 just based on how hard it is to find for sale. Seems to go for $150 or so. I don't know who made it, supposedly it's a beat-em-up.

Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru, Saturn JP - This is probably the rarest and most valuable "standard" run Japanese Saturn game. R8 for sure. I finally broke down and bought it a few days ago after finally finding a complete copy (many are missing the spine card, and most are missing a sticker that came with the game.) Goes for $240-$250 in Japan, even more overseas. The only Saturn games that go for more than this are promotional items, unreleased games, and other such oddities.

Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire, TurboGrafix 16 JP - The price on this already horribly expensive game has gone up - incomplete (no spine card) copies are going for about $330, and complete copies are inching towards the $400 mark. A few years ago in Osaka I saw this game for sale in collectors stores pretty consistently, but it's been getting rarer and rarer. I went looking for it the last few times I've been in Akihabara and only one or two stores has been able to get it in stock. Still an R8 though.

Dead of the Brain 1&2, TurboGrafix 16 JP - The price on this game has jumped up and it's gotten way harder to find. I'd still leave the rarity at 7, but the price is up closer to $140, at many places, $160.

Langrisser IV & V Final Edition, Playstation JP - Currently not listed in the database. A slightly revamped port of Langrisser IV and V for the Saturn. Definitely in the "upper tiers" of PSX games, this game always goes to the collectors sections here. I'd rate it as R5, probably an R6 overseas. The prices on it vary wildly - I've seen it go for as little as $50, and as much as $90. Average seems to be around $60, $65.

All these prices are conversions of the yen prices I see here than I did at random. No exchange rate calculations or anything. ^^; Hope this information is useful! :D


EDIT: I noticed that I listed Hyper Duel as an R5... I meant to say R6. More common than Blast Wind but not R5 common by any means. ^^;

[anagrama]

Just a minor one here: looks like there's been a warehouse find or something for Ghen War (PAL Saturn), judging by the plethora of unsold sealed copies on eBay anyway.
Should probably be knocked down a touch from it's current rating of R5.

[sharp]

Some other comment from this bastard.

I think the European Sega rating are sometimes to much UK-focused. The Classic Collection with Gunstar Heroes , Flicky and 2 I forgot is in my opinion much rarer then Sega Sports one, as the UK are much smaller then the UK mainland. And there are more games I have this feeling with, but if wanted I can post a list.

[anagrama]

The problem with regional variations like you mention is that there isn't an even spread games across Europe - while being much smaller in size, the UK accounts for well over half of all PAL MD games on eBay at any one time and given that, it's only right for things to be slightly weighted in that direction.

The Classic Collection is pretty common over here - I know I could walk into town this afternoon and buy 2 different copies if I wanted, for example. Having said that, an R4 rating might be fairer overall - I'll make a note to have a better look at it when I have a chance.
Also, Flicky is already rated higher (R5) than the Sega Sports comp (R4).

Feel free to PM me if you've got any thoughts on any other ratings - I'm not trying to just shrug off your comments, and would be happy to discuss any others.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Casino poker (Channel F) has only turned up three times in three years and only on Ebay, Alien invasion has turned up almost then times, CP needs to be a R9/$50 as it only shows up on Ebay.

The RCA Studio II section needs to be ravamped,

Bingo, like Conversational French, may never show up again and should finally be a R10, there is only 2 or 3 copies known to exist and should be noted in the description so we don't deceive anyone hunting for it.

Gunfighter/MB I have only seen one copy change hands since 2002 and I lost out on it, that game should be a R8 or 9, and worth at least $25, that game is deceptively hard to find.

Speedway/Tag probably the same as GF/MB, but only worth like $10, another elusive game to locate.

TV Schoolhouse II should be a R7 or R8, I have only seen 3 or 4 copies since 2002 and is worth at least $25, this game is much rarer than TV Schoolhouse I. If Al Backiel still maintains this section then this should be forwarded to him.

The Sega Genesis whack a critter controller needs to be added to the database, it should be at least a R9 as I have seen only one person who has one in 4 years of searching for one of these things, I have no idea on value though.

[digitalpress]

All comments to date have been noted. Look for some changes in the next online update scheduled Friday night.

Thanks as always for your diligence, folks!

[Arcturius]

Just a minor one here: looks like there's been a warehouse find or something for Ghen War (PAL Saturn), judging by the plethora of unsold sealed copies on eBay anyway.
Should probably be knocked down a touch from it's current rating of R5.

I agree with that too, at the time I worked out the ratings I hadn't seen a copy up for months hence the R5 yet recently there's been a flood of them so yeah I think it needs to be changed down to a R4 or possibally even R3.

[Speedy_NES]

Just two rarities that seem a bit off:

Moon Ranger for NES: currently R3; I think this should be raised to at least an R5; based on personal experience.

Krazy Kreatures for NES: currently R5; should be lowered to R4, maybe even lower. Tends to be more common than other R5s.

-Speedy

[hydr0x]

i think Civilzation (SNES) is price wrong

it says 12 for a loose copy

see these auctions

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8198924830

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8198298719

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8198073968

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8196093835

while the last one fits the price, the others clearly don't, and we want to be on the low side, so it should be lowered to like 8 ;)

[Crush Crawfish]

The only rarity discrepancy I've noticed would be Koudelka for Ps1. It's currently rated as an R2, which is, IMO, far too low. I've NEVER seen a copy of it in the wild, and I was actively searching for it for at least a year or so before I broke down and bought it on ebay. I think it should be raised to at least an R5, if not an R6, but that's up to the PS1 guys. Thanks for listening! :)

[PapaStu]

The only rarity discrepancy I've noticed would be Koudelka for Ps1. It's currently rated as an R2, which is, IMO, far too low. I've NEVER seen a copy of it in the wild, and I was actively searching for it for at least a year or so before I broke down and bought it on ebay. I think it should be raised to at least an R5, if not an R6, but that's up to the PS1 guys. Thanks for listening! :)

Its not a 5 or 6. You've got to realise that most RPG's just have a higher demand for them, especially the PS ones. I've seen numerous copies in the wild over the years. I'll push it up from a 2. But its not a 5 or 6. It should show an update the next time I send in the list to Joe.

[Simply Dave]

Captain Commando (R3) and Tecmo Super Bowl II: Special Edition (R2) for the Super Nintendo are both very hard to come by and should be rated at the very least R5 and possibly R6. Captain Commando rarely ever comes up on ebay; I've seen only 4 or 5 copies all year and I've been tracking it on a weekly basis for the last 8 months. TSB II also saw a very limited production run and is also very hard to find. I had read somewhere that only 10,000 units of the game were produced. It's also a game that is scarce on ebay.

[Jed]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=35928

The Game Gear carrying case. Maybe there was a typo or something, is it really an R10? I highly doubt it. >_>

[bargora]

I've been looking for a U/C NTSC Saturn Powerslave (listed Guide Rarity 3, value $8) for the last couple of weeks, but I'm not finding it. Not at local stores (but then, I haven't seen a Saturn game in the wild in Cleveland in a couple years). Not for less than $20 online (and that being the only listing I saw), and not on ebay at all.

Am I crap at online searching? Did I just start looking for it during a dry spell? Or should U/C NTSC Saturn Powerslave get a rarity bump to 4?

[mumbai]

Wizard of Id Wiz Math (ColecoVision):

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9309

The online guide lists this as an R5/$15 ... that seems hopelessly out of touch with reality. It shows up as a loose cartridge perhaps four or so times a year on eBay, and for as long as I can remember has always fetched at least two to three times the listed $ value at auction.

Does someone have an ungodly stock of these, because I've just never seen it in the quantities one would expect of an R5 -- not to mention that for the last couple years I've had far more requests for it in trade than I've ever been able to find myself.

[vintagegamecrazy]

NES experts please chime in here, but I have been trying to find a copy of Galaxie 5000 for a long time now, I haven't seen one in forever, I think it is a lot rarer than a R6 I find all the Pac-Mans and Qix a lot more often than this and I don't see it on Ebay much either, does anyone else agree or is it just me?

[pseudonym]

R6 seems about right to me. i've found three of them so far and about the same number of qix and pac-man.

[digitalpress]

Wizard of Id Wiz Math (ColecoVision):

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9309

The online guide lists this as an R5/$15 ... that seems hopelessly out of touch with reality. It shows up as a loose cartridge perhaps four or so times a year on eBay, and for as long as I can remember has always fetched at least two to three times the listed $ value at auction.

Does someone have an ungodly stock of these, because I've just never seen it in the quantities one would expect of an R5 -- not to mention that for the last couple years I've had far more requests for it in trade than I've ever been able to find myself.

Yeah, that game definitely needs a bump up.

[digitalpress]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=35928

The Game Gear carrying case. Maybe there was a typo or something, is it really an R10? I highly doubt it. >_>

Looks like the rarity and dollar values are reversed. I'll fix that, thanks!

[digitalpress]

I've been looking for a U/C NTSC Saturn Powerslave (listed Guide Rarity 3, value $8) for the last couple of weeks, but I'm not finding it. Not at local stores (but then, I haven't seen a Saturn game in the wild in Cleveland in a couple years). Not for less than $20 online (and that being the only listing I saw), and not on ebay at all.

Am I crap at online searching? Did I just start looking for it during a dry spell? Or should U/C NTSC Saturn Powerslave get a rarity bump to 4?

A 4 seems fair, and a slight uppage in price as well, though I do see Powerslave in trade boxes occasionally.

[sharp]

Maybe a new rumormill entry for Zombie Revenge for Playstation 2 can be added. A conversion of this Dreamcast-game was mentioned in the Acclaim Playstation 2 Un Nouveau Monde Catalog, which I got with my Virtua Cop: Elite Edition. I don't know if it was mentioned in UK versions of Acclaim-catalogs, but is at least in the version for France and the Benelux.

[robotriot]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=25683

Is this entry only for the very first console revision? Otherwise it should be R1 :)

[sharp]

There is a mistake made with Mortal Kombat Trilogy for the Saturn PAL-format. The game was not released by Acclaim, it was released by GT Interactive.

[sharp]

Another minor note. King of the Zoo for Game BOY was also released in a UK version at least and is not Germany only, but a European release.

Also I would like to mention a Megadrive title variation as Rolo to the Rescue was orginally intended to be called Furry Friends, it is even listed under this name in the EA Megadrive catalog for 92-93. So maybe that can also be added.

[anagrama]

Also I would like to mention a Megadrive title variation as Rolo to the Rescue was orginally intended to be called Furry Friends, it is even listed under this name in the EA Megadrive catalog for 92-93. So maybe that can also be added.

Yeah, why not? I'll add a comment to the description field. Cheers! :)

[heyricochet]

I was doing a random search on some n64 sports games I got for free cause a guy didn't want them and a store wouldn't accept them for trade and all the n64 fifas, and All Star tennis 99 are priced at 15 dollars or higher, I would think this is a little excessive for n64 sports titles, even if they are a 4 on rarity.

[mikeetler]

I was doing a random search on some n64 sports games I got for free cause a guy didn't want them and a store wouldn't accept them for trade and all the n64 fifas, and All Star tennis 99 are priced at 15 dollars or higher, I would think this is a little excessive for n64 sports titles, even if they are a 4 on rarity.

N64 prices are based on complete games, not cart only. If you check places like eBay, US versions of FIFA 64 cart only sold recently for $8 and FIFA 98 cart only for $10 (Buy it Now). All Star Tennis 99 has only one US cart recently sold for cheap (under $2) but it doesn't turn up often.

-Mike

[mikeetler]

Another minor note. King of the Zoo for Game BOY was also released in a UK version at least and is not Germany only, but a European release.

I'll change that once I get the data files back (sometime next week most likely). A number of the games listed with specific countries were mostly likely resleased in other parts of Europe and will be changed over time. Does the UK cart have the -UKV suffix on the part number?

-Mike

[Arcturius]

There is a mistake made with Mortal Kombat Trilogy for the Saturn PAL-format. The game was not released by Acclaim, it was released by GT Interactive.

This'll be corrected once the Saturn Excel file is reformatted - Thanks for pointing it out.

[hydr0x]

There is a mistake made with Mortal Kombat Trilogy for the Saturn PAL-format. The game was not released by Acclaim, it was released by GT Interactive.

This'll be corrected once the Saturn Excel file is reformatted - Thanks for pointing it out.

you should check this, i know GT Interactive DISTRIBUTED a lot of Midway games, but often enough they did not publish them!!

[GrandAmChandler]

Gain Ground. Made by Renovation. Sega Genesis. Currently an R4.

Now that is said. Many of you here on the boards know I have been searching for this title complete for over a year. Recently, a sealed one turned up on Ebay in Europe and sold for $75. The MegaDrive version turns up frequently, but the US version is becoming really tough to find. I propose that this title needs to go up in rarity, and if others agree, value. I definitely think that trying to find a complete one for more than a year on Ebay at a reasonable price calls for me to request this. Please post your thoughts. Oh and if anyone DOES have a complete copy of this in good condition, PM me immediately.
(However, I am not looking to pay out my ass.)

-Chris

[anagrama]

I already mentioned this in one of the NWC topics, but if there are at least 119 copies known to have escaped Nintendo's hands, then how can it realistically be rated R10 ("one-of-a-kind, or certainly no more than a dozen")?

Also, wouldn't the Outback Joey cart be more accurate at R9 instead of R10? Or are there honestly less than a dozen thought to exist?

And while I'm busy debunking R10's, isn't the Dina 2-in-1 also similarly over-rated?

I understand how this could be controversial, especially with the NWC cart being viewed as the "ultimate grail" by many here at DP, but that's more due to the sheer number of NES collectors than anything else. After all, it does appear on eBay a couple of times every year.
We really should be internally consistent with the rarity scale as stated in the database FAQ rather than make exceptions on a whim if we can really hope to be the definitive guide.

Thoughts? Anyone agree/disagree?

[hydr0x]

agreed

[Speedy_NES]

I already mentioned this in one of the NWC topics, but if there are at least 119 copies known to have escaped Nintendo's hands, then how can it realistically be rated R10 ("one-of-a-kind, or certainly no more than a dozen")?

I understand how this could be controversial, especially with the NWC cart being viewed as the "ultimate grail" by many here at DP, but that's more due to the sheer number of NES collectors than anything else. After all, it does appear on eBay a couple of times every year.
We really should be internally consistent with the rarity scale as stated in the database FAQ rather than make exceptions on a whim if we can really hope to be the definitive guide.

Thoughts? Anyone agree/disagree?

I fully agree with you here. Even the Myriad 6-in-1 pops up on eBay as much or even less than the grey NWC 1990 does, and it's rated as a R9.

-Speedy

[zerohero]

The Power Glove price range should be around 45 - 60 bucks. They sell for that price on ebay.

UN Squadron's price needs to be around 10 - 12 bucks.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I don't know about the R10 issue, I'd personally like to see it stay around the 100-150 count range. There is a lot of games that are a R10 that are known to have around a 100 copies known to exist and they never turn up at all. Myriads never turn up because they just aren't as popular as NWCs. That games turns up so often because people know what they are worth and they are a cash cow right now. Tengen Tetris, Dragon Warrior 4, Alien Invasion and a list of others are quite rare but pop up on ebay quite often because of hype. One of the rules is that we don't rate things off of Ebay standards and any of the above mentioned games are only known to have turned up once or twice off of Ebay. NWC being the prime example, Bounty Bob Strikes back is another.

[anagrama]

That'd be fine if the Rarity FAQ stated as much - instead it clearly says "no more than a dozen".
One or the other needs to be changed - it undermines everything else if we're blatantlly disregarding the stated guidelines. Personally, I'd rather see R10 remain as being the games there are genuinely only a handful of, but all I'm really asking for is consistency.

[Kid Ice]

VCS Stargate and Defender II are both rated 2. Defender II is much harder to find than Stargate. I don't think either is a 2...I'd say Stargate is a 3 and Defender II is a 4 or 5.

[Nicola]

as stated on the main board, Rodland should be rare at least as Stadium Events (I don't remember seeing a rodland on ebay the last 1/2 years)

...and, as you should have seen, Sonic Extreme for saturn should go in the prototype list, not rumor mill (a proto has been sold recently).

[zerohero]

CRASH 'N THE BOYS STREET CHALLENGE




The game is clearly going for more than what the database states.

[unwinddesign]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned/fixed already, but in the DP Advance guide, Sword of the Berzerk (Dreamcast) is listed as worth $3. In actuality, it is worth around $20.

Also, Zaxxon's Motherbase 2000 is listed as worth $20, but is really worth around $5 - $8.

[Speedy_NES]

I think Motor City Patrol for the NES should be higher than an R4. This is based on personal experience as well as eBay. There are currently only 3 copies of this game on eBay, and if you check completed auctions there are also only 3 completed auctions with this game. I think it should be pushed up to at least a R5 if not higher.

-Speedy

[MetalWarrior]

Metal Warriors seems a little off the fact that im about to sell it on ebay for 50 dollars and it says its worth 20 and only 3 rare i tihnk maybe it is atleast a 4 and atleast 35 bucks

[qbertandernie]

is red clash for arcadia THAT rare?

i was searching for this game because its an 8 in the rarity guide, but it seems every third arcadia auction on ebay has a boxed copy. might be something worth reevaluating....

[vintagegamecrazy]

is red clash for arcadia THAT rare?

i was searching for this game because its an 8 in the rarity guide, but it seems every third arcadia auction on ebay has a boxed copy. might be something worth reevaluating....

Agreed, That game is becoming more common, it shouldn't be less than a R7 though, they are pretty tough to find off of Ebay though, I think Spiders should be a R8 though.

On another note X Man and Malagai are listed as R10, but they seem to pop up more often though, maybe they should go down to R9, Karate by Ultravision should be a R10 because that never pops up anywhere at all even Ebay, Coke Wins should be listed much higher in value than $500 though.

Bomb Releases seemed to have gotten insanely rare, and should be raised, value seems to have fallen though as they seem to have no attention paid to them though.

Condor Attack maybe could be a R9, I may be wrong, someone correct me if I am but this turns up pretty infrequently.

Vectrex Mr. Boston should go in the US game releases because it was released afterall and there at least a small handfull that are accounted for. This needs a section switch

Snes

Powerfest 94 should be listed in the database even is NOA owns all of the copies, it does exist afterall and MACS is listed even though it wasn't available to the public, it should go into the non us releases as a R10/$0

NES

Canadian Campus Competition (or whatever it is called) and the lottery modem cart need to be listed in the database because they too exist afterall, just not to the public., same with the Powerfest as for rarity.

[hydr0x]

Also I would like to mention a Megadrive title variation as Rolo to the Rescue was orginally intended to be called Furry Friends, it is even listed under this name in the EA Megadrive catalog for 92-93. So maybe that can also be added.

Yeah, why not? I'll add a comment to the description field. Cheers! :)

lol, yeah, i'm late, just saw this now, always remember you can also add that wip-title as an AKA ;)

[j_eits]

is red clash for arcadia THAT rare?

i was searching for this game because its an 8 in the rarity guide, but it seems every third arcadia auction on ebay has a boxed copy. might be something worth reevaluating....

Agreed, That game is becoming more common, it shouldn't be less than a R7 though, they are pretty tough to find off of Ebay though, I think Spiders should be a R8 though.

I agree with Red Clash beeing R7 and Spiders beeing R8. I'm monitoring US-Arcadia auctions on ebay for about a year now. There have been 323 games in several auctions in 2005. Red Clash appeared so far 4 times in 2005. This is the complete list (The first number shows how often the game was in an ebay auction, the second is the rarity from the guide. The numbers in the square brackets mean: First number is the average price, second number is the number of single item auctions counted for the price):

3d Bowling 12 R3
Alien Invaders 13 R2
Americain Football 16 R2 [5,52 / 2]
Baseball 23 R2
Brain Quiz 8 R2
Breakaway 11 R2
Capture 11 R2 [5,52 / 2]
Cat Trax 37 R2 [4,66 / 3]
Escape 31 R2 [6,50 / 2]
Grand Slam Tennis 3 R6
Jungler 19 R2
Missile War 9 R5 [7,38 / 2]
Ocean Battle 6 R5
Red Clash 4 R8
Soccer 8 R2
Space Attack 30 R2 [5,50 / 2]
Space Mission 4 R3
Space Raiders 35 R2 [5,25 / 4]
Space Vultures 9 R5
Spiders / R6
Star Chess 6 R5 [24,28 / 2]
Tanks a lot 27 R2 [6,50 / 2]
Console 41 / [32,31 / 7]

My plan was to wait until the end of 2005 and overwork the rarities than. Of course I'll need your help as I have not too much experience in US-Arcadia games. For example I have no idea how easy it is to find US-Arcadia games in the wild. If someone is interested in the complete list, feel free to pm me.

[^DevIancE]

I think the "2" rarity for The Ren & Stimpy Show : Buckeroos for the SNES is way off. It took me forever to find this game. I have never seen it on eBay, and ended up getting lucky a few months ago, finding one on Amazon boxed. I haven't seen this game on there since.
It's definetly ALOT more difficult to find than Ren & Stimpy : Firedogs which has a "7", and you can see on both Amazon and eBay at almost any given time.

[Rejinx]

I have been looking at prices of Joycard Sansui SSS Controllers for the NES. The price is 5$, but from what I can tell, you won't find this controller for less then $10 by anyone who know what it is. I know your prices are a little low, just seems a little too low.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Atari 2600 game Out of Control is worth at least 300, that game has gone up considerable in value, one on Ebay sold on Ebay for 305 and I saw another copy go for around that much.

[^DevIancE]

Blaster Master: Enemy Below for the GBC deserves atleast a 5... maybe even a 6. It has become VERY difficult to get ahold of. I've only seen two on eBay in the past three months.
The US Ghouls n' Ghost and Spy Vs. Spy for the Master System have become very difficult to find as well. I'd say both of those should have about a 6.
Outrun for the Genesis should probably be moved up to a 4, or maybe 5 also.
...and Earthworm Jim 2 for the Saturn should move up a notch or two as well.

[mikeetler]

Blaster Master: Enemy Below for the GBC deserves atleast a 5... maybe even a 6. It has become VERY difficult to get ahold of. I've only seen two on eBay in the past three months.

Yet I've seen numerous copies in multiple Gamestops and EB's. eBay is (and should) not be the main source for determining rarity (or price). I'll keep an eye on it the next few months and see if any change is needed, but it is definitely not a 5 or 6. If I used that logic, Amazing Tater must be a 9 because only one copy has been on eBay in the last 10 months.

[^DevIancE]

Blaster Master: Enemy Below for the GBC deserves atleast a 5... maybe even a 6. It has become VERY difficult to get ahold of. I've only seen two on eBay in the past three months.

Yet I've seen numerous copies in multiple Gamestops and EB's. eBay is (and should) not be the main source for determining rarity (or price). I'll keep an eye on it the next few months and see if any change is needed, but it is definitely not a 5 or 6. If I used that logic, Amazing Tater must be a 9 because only one copy has been on eBay in the last 10 months.

I wasn't basing it soley off of eBay. I go to flea markets, pawn shops, visit my local Gamestop and EB frequently (though they are in hickville), and scope out Amazon from time to time as well...
I bought this game the week it was released, and doubt it to have been much of a hot seller due to the people it appealed to, and console it was on, and I doubt it stayed on retail shelves that long.

[vintagegamecrazy]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9536

Motocross racer/tomarc the barbarian for colecovision should be moved to non US Releases because it was only distributed in Canada and overseas, it should be a R10 in rarity also.

[mikeetler]

Blaster Master: Enemy Below for the GBC deserves atleast a 5... maybe even a 6. It has become VERY difficult to get ahold of. I've only seen two on eBay in the past three months.

Yet I've seen numerous copies in multiple Gamestops and EB's. eBay is (and should) not be the main source for determining rarity (or price). I'll keep an eye on it the next few months and see if any change is needed, but it is definitely not a 5 or 6. If I used that logic, Amazing Tater must be a 9 because only one copy has been on eBay in the last 10 months.

I wasn't basing it soley off of eBay. I go to flea markets, pawn shops, visit my local Gamestop and EB frequently (though they are in hickville), and scope out Amazon from time to time as well...

Ok, but your original post made it sound like the typical "It sells on eBay for $X so why does the guide list it as $Y" or "Super Mario Land sells for so much it must be rare" post since you only quoted eBay. As for Gamestop, using their store locator I can turn up half a dozen copies within 40 miles of central NJ, which for the limited number of GB/GBC titles they carry now is quite a lot.


I bought this game the week it was released, and doubt it to have been much of a hot seller due to the people it appealed to, and console it was on, and I doubt it stayed on retail shelves that long.

You'd be very surprised how many GBC games are still sitting in wholesaler's inventories over five years after the system was discontinued. Not to say that BM:EB is one of them, but there was a lot of unsold inventory in the pipe line when the GBA was released. I know that BM:EB was still being sold by SVG to stores like FYE, Value City and Khols at least through 2002.

At any rate, these are the current licensed R5's and there are no R6's (yet). Keep in mind that rarity is cross platform, which is one thing that is overlooked by almost every editor, and GB collecting has been almost non-existant up until recently, so a lot of rarities will be revised over time. I personally do not think BM:EB fits in with this group.

Classic Bubble Bobble - Metro3D
Flintstones, The: Burgertime in Bedrock - Electro Source
Formula One 2000 - Take2 Interact
Hello Kitty's Cube Frenzy - NewKidCo
Hoyle Card Games - Sierra
Magical Drop - Classified
Microsoft Pinball Arcade - Classified
Playmobil: Laura - Ubi Soft
Puzzle Master - Metro3D
Quest Fantasy Challenge - SunSoft
Return of the Ninja - Crave
Rhino Rumble - Telegames
Test Drive 2001 - Infogrames
Titus the Fox - Titus
Wendy: Every Witch Way - TDK
Xena: Warrior Princess - Titus
Xtreme Wheels - bam!
Zoboomafoo: Playtime in Zobooland - Encore

[^DevIancE]

Classic Bubble Bobble - Metro3D
Flintstones, The: Burgertime in Bedrock - Electro Source
Formula One 2000 - Take2 Interact
Hello Kitty's Cube Frenzy - NewKidCo
Hoyle Card Games - Sierra
Magical Drop - Classified
Microsoft Pinball Arcade - Classified
Playmobil: Laura - Ubi Soft
Puzzle Master - Metro3D
Quest Fantasy Challenge - SunSoft
Return of the Ninja - Crave
Rhino Rumble - Telegames
Test Drive 2001 - Infogrames
Titus the Fox - Titus
Wendy: Every Witch Way - TDK
Xena: Warrior Princess - Titus
Xtreme Wheels - bam!
Zoboomafoo: Playtime in Zobooland - Encore

Heheh, yeah, I'd agree that it might not belong with the games on that list, and maybe shouldn't be as high as a 6, but I have my game collection up on Gamespot.com, and I don't know how reliable of source this would be, because I doubt many hardcore collectors are registered there, but there are only 39 other users who have this game in their collections there, and when compared to the 56 people on gamespot who own Clay Fighter Tournament Edition which ranks a 5, it gives a whole different out look on it.

A similar collection layout like the one gamespot have set up, would be awsome for the rarity guide, and would probably help alot with the rarity issues on alot of games.
Heh, and yeah I wouldn't doubt there being someone who has a mountain of cases of BM: EB somewhere in storage along with Bionic Commando: Elite Forces, Ghosts n' Goblins, and Street Fighter Alpha.

[Kyle15]

Hey,
there's no rarity or price for Gitaroo Man!
It should have a 7 or an 8 on the rarity scale,
but it could be lower due to the new reprint
copies floating around. Can anyone tell
the original or reprint apart from one another?

[mumbai]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=9536

Motocross racer/tomarc the barbarian for colecovision should be moved to non US Releases because it was only distributed in Canada and overseas, it should be a R10 in rarity also.

First, it's not an R10. Definitely an R9, but not more. In all fairness, it's been slightly more difficult to obtain a copy of the Sir Lancelot/Robin Hood double-ender than the TB/MR double-ender over the last few years. Not by much, but by enough to notice. I personally have more copies of TB/MR than a good number of titles (and not for lack of trying), should that mean anything more.

As for moving to non-US releases ... I would hazard a guess that this would be confusing - I see the US/non-US split mostly one of "domestic" NTSC v. anything else. The XonoX double-ended titles were also released in Europe with a completely different label design, and moving them all over to non-US would make things a little tricker to differentiate.

If Canadian titles such as this are to be split out from US titles, then there are a pile of ColecoVision games that demonstrate significant packaging distinctions (cart, box, and manual -- not to mention printed notice of originating company) that would similarly have to be moved over.

Also, is it even clear that the SL/RH double-ender was released in the US? I don't even know anyone who has the domestic box for that game. As for TB/MR, I've seen it stated that it was only released in Canada, but not the supporting documentation to that effect. Idle curiosity, and all.

[Undertaker]

Wondering why this game is rated a 2?The value is a big $6.00.The supposed production run for this was 10,000 copies.It is a very hard game to find.I have find 3 copies in the wild and on e-bay in the last 3 years.Is there something I am missing?I hope not to offend anyone here.This is a great site for knowledge.Does anyone agree with me. x_x
Thanks 8-)

[PapaStu]

Hey,
there's no rarity or price for Gitaroo Man!
It should have a 7 or an 8 on the rarity scale,
but it could be lower due to the new reprint
copies floating around. Can anyone tell
the original or reprint apart from one another?

New games are not given raritys yet for reasons just like this. It's been re-released. It was never an R7 or R8, even after its first printing. Its a good game thats in demand and now that there was a good sized reprint made, its value and rarity have dropped quite a bit. There are no differences between the originals and the reprints except if they are still sealed. Original copies will have the White Security Sticker on them, the new copies do not.

[Jumpman Jr.]

I've got to say that Moon Ranger for the NES is definitely more than an R4, worth $5 (I know that it used to be an R3, but it looks like somebody bumbed it up).
Personally, I think it should be at least a 5, but it probably deserves to be a 6. Whenever you see a list of games people need to complete their collection, this one is always in there. (In my case, I need 20 games to complete it, and I just found this game).
I think that the value should at least be increased to $10 as well.

[Speedy_NES]

I've got to say that Moon Ranger for the NES is definitely more than an R4, worth $5 (I know that it used to be an R3, but it looks like somebody bumbed it up).
Personally, I think it should be at least a 5, but it probably deserves to be a 6. Whenever you see a list of games people need to complete their collection, this one is always in there. (In my case, I need 20 games to complete it, and I just found this game).
I think that the value should at least be increased to $10 as well.
I agree with that. Moon Ranger should be given at least a 5 in rarity and 10$ value.

[cyberfluxor]

I understand:
"The dollar value is the suggested, "between collectors" purchase price."
and have recently added Super Mario Bros. 2 & 3 to my DP collection list but found they have them listed as $1 and $2 respectively. I see them going on Ebay for a few to several dollars loose and around here they sell like hot cakes for $5+. I'm not sure about other areas but since they have been popular games the market demands a bit more than $2 worth on them.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I have noticed some CD-i errors, Cartoon Carnival and The Berenstein Bears on their own and you on your own are both clearly games, they are for like 3 year old kids but they are games none the less and both are listed in the demoes samplers and non games sections and should be moved.

[Porksta]

XBOX -GTA Double Pack: $25? It is about $15 new
XBOX -Riddick: $15? That seems a bit high

[Lemmy Kilmister]

This doesn't have to do about rarity, but I noticed that two of the images used in Castlevania: Dracula X were actually from Super Castlevania IV.

Link (http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=13648)

[Hounder]

I've got to say that Moon Ranger for the NES is definitely more than an R4, worth $5 (I know that it used to be an R3, but it looks like somebody bumbed it up).
Personally, I think it should be at least a 5, but it probably deserves to be a 6. Whenever you see a list of games people need to complete their collection, this one is always in there. (In my case, I need 20 games to complete it, and I just found this game).
I think that the value should at least be increased to $10 as well.
I agree with that. Moon Ranger should be given at least a 5 in rarity and 10$ value.
I too agree with this. This game is so hard to find. A $10-$15 value is about what it's worth but more than likely you will end up paying more for it online somewhere :-/ I have yet to find this game even though I do have the manual for it.

[Porksta]

Madden 2005 for the XBOX is not worth $17 by a long shot. Also, only the PS2 version came in Limited Edition variety, not the XBOX. Finally, add Madden 06 to the list!

[vectrexer]

Hi Folks,

In reading the Raritiy Guide definitions, plus the Mr. Boston details. http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=1488, I think it might be time to tweak the entry a bit.

First off the game was prodece by GCE. The box says soe and I think the authors even commented on it.


Second: The game is not really a prototype. The package is complete. The manual is there, the game label is there. The box is there. The game itself is modifed and completed. Even the overlay is there and customerized. All with a Mr. Boston logo and character.

I would say that this title variation for Vectrex Clean Sweep is better classed as a short marketing specific production run. The same as any other marking production run such as the themed Sega Game Gear system and game.

Mr. Boston had a definite bent to market a specific product in Mr. Boston Liquors. But the Vectrex Mr. Boston package is far from being a prototype.

[Nate Nanjo]

PTO 2: Pacific Theater of Operations

Rarity maybe fine, however $25 for a loose. I couldn't sell mine for $20 with everything except the manual or trade it. I was about to list it on ebay, but I think Rhino will give me like $20-25 for it so I changed my mind. Also, Ebay's average sold price was $8.00

How is it dropped or just no one cares about the game?

[Atarian75]

I didn't check to see if this has been discussed yet, so I apoligize if it has. Flashback for Sega CD should not have a value of $45. I have never seen it sell for more than half that. Just a suggestion to lower it to $20 or so.

[Atarian75]

Nevermind the above post. I noticed in the online rarity guide it is $15. Sorry.

[norm8332]

VIC-20 Frogman should be a 10. Only 2 ever seen as far as I know.

Was a rumor until 2005.

Why a 9? I see other platform's 9s on ebay many times each year.

Maybe I'm wrong, does anyone own one out there??

[cyberfluxor]

Virtua Cop 2 for the Saturn (http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=12590) listed as an R4 and $35? Rarity could be more so an R2/3 and it's value is quite a bit less than $35, maybe more to the end of $8 complete.

[Mayhem]

VIC-20 Frogman should be a 10. Only 2 ever seen as far as I know.

Was a rumor until 2005.

Why a 9? I see other platform's 9s on ebay many times each year.

Maybe I'm wrong, does anyone own one out there??

10 is reserved for prototypes only in the DP scale of things. That's why it's a 9. It's the highest it can go. I'd love to give it a 10 for the fact that yes, there's only 2 known out there, but it's not how the DP rating system operates.

And as you asked, I own one of them :)

[vintagegamecrazy]

10 is reserved for prototypes only in the DP scale of things. That's why it's a 9. It's the highest it can go. I'd love to give it a 10 for the fact that yes, there's only 2 known out there, but it's not how the DP rating system operates.

And as you asked, I own one of them

There are plenty of games that are 10s in the db, it could stand to be changed.

I have some things that need to be considered

The American CD32 is a lot rarer than a R4, they almost never pop up on Ebay in NTSC and are almost unknown in america I'd say a 7 to 8.

The Memorex VIS is only worth maybe $30-35, I can't seem to give them away with games included, they are probably around a 7-8 in rarity.

[Mayhem]

There are plenty of games that are 10s in the db, it could stand to be changed.

Actually you're right there (hello Video Life and Eli's Ladder). Guess I've always worked with 10=proto in my head for some reason. With that in mind, I may reclassify a few entries (and yes, hello Frogman).

[Keir]

VIC-20 Frogman should be a 10. Only 2 ever seen as far as I know.

Was a rumor until 2005.

Why a 9? I see other platform's 9s on ebay many times each year.Not saying Frogman shouldn't be a 10, but I don't think it's fair to compare between systems. Rare VIC-20 games are going to show up on eBay much less often than rare Atari 2600 games, for example, because the 2600 is a much more well-known and well-documented system. Also, I bet many of the 2600 9s and 10s that show up on eBay are the same ones being swapped around.


I have some things that need to be considered

The American CD32 is a lot rarer than a R4, they almost never pop up on Ebay in NTSC and are almost unknown in america I'd say a 7 to 8.I should probably answer this one, since I came up with that rarity. The simple answer is that there is a lot of NOS (new old stock) sitting around. Unknown does not equal rare. :)

[Mayhem]

Not saying Frogman shouldn't be a 10, but I don't think it's fair to compare between systems. Rare VIC-20 games are going to show up on eBay much less often than rare Atari 2600 games, for example, because the 2600 is a much more well-known and well-documented system. Also, I bet many of the 2600 9s and 10s that show up on eBay are the same ones being swapped around.

Actually that is how the rarity system has been clarified by Joe to work now... cross-system comparison. So a rarity 9 on the 2600 is as hard to find as a rarity 9 on any other system, be it Coleco, Vic20 or NES. It is no longer only comparitive within the system itself. That, though, is a bit harder to judge admitedly.

Given how hard Eli's Ladder and Video Life are to find for example, I can't see why Frogman and a few others under my juristication can't be bumped up to 10 rating.

[Keir]

Not saying Frogman shouldn't be a 10, but I don't think it's fair to compare between systems. Rare VIC-20 games are going to show up on eBay much less often than rare Atari 2600 games, for example, because the 2600 is a much more well-known and well-documented system. Also, I bet many of the 2600 9s and 10s that show up on eBay are the same ones being swapped around.

Actually that is how the rarity system has been clarified by Joe to work now... cross-system comparison. So a rarity 9 on the 2600 is as hard to find as a rarity 9 on any other system, be it Coleco, Vic20 or NES. It is no longer only comparitive within the system itself. That, though, is a bit harder to judge admitedly.Right, I understand that. What I was trying to say is that a rare VIC-20 game is much more likely to go unnoticed because fewer people know or care about them. So if your average collector comes across an Eli's Ladder they're going to brag about it and probably sell it on eBay for a fortune, whereas if they come across a Frogman they won't even realize what they've got and just put it away and forget about it. Whatever, just make Frogman a 10 and be done with it. ;)

[Mayhem]

:P

Actually I'll agree in part there. But the rarity is always fluid and I always change it as need be as I see things go. For example, Jelly Monsters was listed as a 8 by Ward, but because it's rather readily available on eBay now (curiously enough, almost only here in the UK) it's been bumped down to a 5 now, I think, by myself. Ditto Star Battle.

A few items on the Vic20 list I've never seen in my life, and rely on the fact they exist from Ward's sterling work. That's the sort of thing that'll get upgraded.

If more of an item come out of the woodwork over time, then naturally the rarity might get bumped down accordingly.

[norm8332]

All I know about it is I collect VIC 20 carts, and check Ebay and other sources very regularly and I have only ever seen one frogman within the last year or so. While on other platforms I have seen several carts that are 10s appear several times. I also collect 2600 carts so I'm checking for those too and I see alot more rare 2600 carts (same one several times).

Also with frogman, try doing a google search and see where thats gets you. Good luck.. not very far.


Thanks allot..

[norm8332]

I have seen several carts that are 10s appear several times.

A correction: 9s on ebay.

[Zadoc]

This is a Pippin game, and in the guide is incorrectly entered as "Gundam Mobility Fleet 0079," without the "Tactics."

Also, speaking of Pippin, I am having an increadibly difficult time confirming that "Pegasus Prime" was actually released for the console. There are a lot of articles that I can find talking about a 1997 release, but the system was killed off before then. There are also a lot of "The Journeyman Project" sites that reference a Pippin version, but they seem to be citing marketing material only.

Because boxart does not exist for this game, I think that "Pegasus Prime" belongs in Rumor Mill.

Finally, "Gundam 0079: The War for Earth" is not in the guide. It seems to be a released title. If not a confirmed release, it definately needs to be in the Rumor Mill.

Both "Pegasus Prime" and "Gundam 0079: The War for Earth" are on the "titles" page of the official Presto Studios archive website:

http://presto.tommyyune.com/presto/titles.html

However, my belief is that both titles were likely cancelled before their 1997 releases and released only for other platforms.

[segamaster]

i dont know if this was mentioned before, but i cant find the game "The Ignition Factor" for the snes in the rarity guide


any help is appreciated!

thanks

[D_N_G]

i dont know if this was mentioned before, but i cant find the game "The Ignition Factor" for the snes in the rarity guide


any help is appreciated!

thanks


here ya go:

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=14083

[segamaster]

oh! thanks a lot. i guess i just had to drop off the "The" in the front


Thanks

[Keir]

Back on the matter of VIC-20 games, should Cannonball Blitz really be a 7? It definitely isn't as rare as other Sierra games that are 7s like Lunar Leeper or Threshold. In fact, I don't think any of those are as rare as Creepy Corridors which is also a 7 (though I could be biased - that's the only Sierra VIC-20 cart I don't own :( ).

[Mayhem]

I'll be giving both the C64 and Vic20 sections a good look over shortly... when I get time in my schedule! I have seen a few more CBs about so I think it may well drop a point or so. Threshold is already down to a 5 now, more of them spotted about (and I've got two spare to sell!). I agree CC is probably at least a 7, I don't see it much.

[mb7241]

I noticed a few Sega Master System entries with rarities of 75 and 80 (no...seriously). Click "Online Rarity Guide", then type in "11" in the Scarcity box and the ">=" option. After the dialog box pops up that says "Please enter a value between 0 and 10", it'll show the four entries in question.

[anagrama]

I noticed a few Sega Master System entries with rarities of 75 and 80 (no...seriously). Click "Online Rarity Guide", then type in "11" in the Scarcity box and the ">=" option. After the dialog box pops up that says "Please enter a value between 0 and 10", it'll show the four entries in question.

Ah nuts, looks like a couple of Dollar/Scarcity values got mixed up there - I'll get it fixed for the next update.

[Technosis]

I'll be giving both the C64 and Vic20 sections a good look over shortly...

I can tell you that many rare VIC-20 games are much more common in Canada here....I have found 2 Dot Gobblers (one CIB) plus numerous Xonox double enders...all traded to collectors in the US and Europe

[vintagegamecrazy]

Hydro Thunder for N64 is definitely not worth $25, I would change it to $12-15 ramge.

For the Pippin section, anyone wanna form a committee and get that section to have some back bone?

[Mayhem]

I can tell you that many rare VIC-20 games are much more common in Canada here....I have found 2 Dot Gobblers (one CIB) plus numerous Xonox double enders...all traded to collectors in the US and Europe

Late reply but still... the double enders in general are easier to find than the singler enders, that's reflected in the guide. Only Tomarc/Motocross double was that hard to acquire, took me ages and it's only loose (my other three doublers are complete).

Dot Gobbler is also at the lowest end of the OEM rarity... most of them are incredibly hard to acquire, but this one is a bit easier than the rest.

[kataboom]

ok i read the guidelines & a few of the suggestions i was gonna mention arent as valid except one.

N64 paper mario u.s. release listed at $26 R3

with the trends ive been seeing, the rarity should be knocked to a R2 & the price (low end) should be around $15. $26 is the high ends these days & the rarity has fallen because they are all over ebay nowadays.

just my opinion.

[Atari 5200]

I don't know if it is just me, but Ren & Stimpy Fire Dogs is every where. And a 7 seems a bit high too. Thanks...

[Moo Cow]

The Unholy War is definately not a 1, I'd estimate 6-7. Also, not worth a buck either.
I believe Point Blank 3 had a version that came with the gun.

[RadiantSvgun]

The Unholy War is definately not a 1, I'd estimate 6-7. Also, not worth a buck either.
I believe Point Blank 3 had a version that came with the gun.

Yes, I have the Point Blank 3 combo, I think each point blank came with a gun. But there is a sticker on it that says "not for sale in California"

One thing I have not seen listed is the Resident Evil Dead Aim Combo. We had one when I worked at EB. I've never seen one since.

Check the rarity of a PS1 justifier too, I rarely see one on ebay or in the wild.

Dracula X for Snes has jumped up in price and rarity too.

[Dark_Sol]

When scarcity is 0 it means noone really knows what is the true rarity??
Maten Densetsu for Sega MD JP. It's about R8-9 nowadays. I've bought the only one from ebay for the last 4 years!

[anagrama]

When scarcity is 0 it means noone really knows what is the true rarity??
Maten Densetsu for Sega MD JP. It's about R8-9 nowadays. I've bought the only one from ebay for the last 4 years!

Do you mean Maten no Soumetsu?

And R0 means that it hasn't been properly researched and given a set rarity yet, not that it's unknown.

[Dark_Sol]

Do you mean Maten no Soumetsu?

And R0 means that it hasn't been properly researched and given a set rarity yet, not that it's unknown.

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=4272
this one :)

I see. I guess i have many suggestions and corrections on the scarcity and the prices then.

[anagrama]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=4272
this one :)


That's a SNES game, not a MegaDrive game.

[Dark_Sol]

ups. yes. soumetsu. So i think it is a very rare games nowadays. Actually it is never listed on ebay and rarely pops on YJA for a price of 4500-5000yen.

[PapaStu]

Yes, I have the Point Blank 3 combo, I think each point blank came with a gun. But there is a sticker on it that says "not for sale in California"

One thing I have not seen listed is the Resident Evil Dead Aim Combo. We had one when I worked at EB. I've never seen one since.

Check the rarity of a PS1 justifier too, I rarely see one on ebay or in the wild.


I checked the master list and i've got all 3 Point Blanks showing that they came w/ GunCons.

The Dead Aim Combo was not a legitimate bundle. It was just a 3rd party gun packaged with RE:Dead Aim. Not to mention that it wasn't bundled by Capcom, but by who made that crappy orange 9mm gun it came with. Fry's Electronics had them for a long time.

Justifiers are out there, just not all that common. I found an eBay seller about a month ago selling them Boxed new w/ Die Hard for 9.99+ Shipping. You've just got to look around a bit for em I guess.

[PapaStu]

The Unholy War is definately not a 1, I'd estimate 6-7. Also, not worth a buck either.
I believe Point Blank 3 had a version that came with the gun.

Uhhhh Are we thinking of the same game? http://i12.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/a9/1c/c8d1_2.JPG

This game is damn common and not worth anything. Theres no reason for it to shoot up to an R6/7. That makes it one of the rarest PlayStation games if that was the case and I can assure you that its not that rare by a long shot.

[Moo Cow]

Uhhhh Are we thinking of the same game? http://i12.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/a9/1c/c8d1_2.JPG

This game is damn common and not worth anything. Theres no reason for it to shoot up to an R6/7. That makes it one of the rarest PlayStation games if that was the case and I can assure you that its not that rare by a long shot.
I was just thinking that I never really see them, and didn't mean to insinuate them being worth a lot - I know they're not. But I think it's worth more than one dollar.
EDIT: It was just an estimation based on...horrible estimation skills?

[RadiantSvgun]

I noticed that PS2 games now have a rarity #, good job! Speaking of PS2, Time crisis 3 had 2 editions. One with 1 guncon and the other came in a slightly larger box with 2 guncons.

Brigandine: The Legend of Forsena, I believe is more scarce and rare now than just a 4.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I can say that the Wico Command Joystick for Intellivision isn't listed at all, I would put it at a R7/$20.

Sega Genesis- Outback Joey is in the proto section and needs to be moved to us game releases because it was sold and at least ten are accounted for.

[anagrama]

Sega Genesis- Outback Joey is in the proto section and needs to be moved to us game releases because it was sold and at least ten are accounted for.

I reckon Demos/Samplers/Non-Games would be more appropraite than US Game Releases.

[vintagegamecrazy]

agreed.

[garagesaleking!!]

Silent hill for ps1 is listed as an r1/$8 value. It took me about 3 years to find this game in the wild, they are going on ebay for 30-40. Also my local game store just got one and says its the first one they have seen, and they want $50 for it? just a suggestion.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Agreed that Silent hill should go up but not by much as the price is a fluke and will soon come down.

[Fuzzball24]

Myst III Exile on Xbox. I've never seen a copy on Xbox besides mine. I don't think it's a R1. And there is 1 copy on eBay!

[suckerpunch5]

fuzzball - it could just be really low demand for a relatively common game

I was gonna post about some Xbox values. First, nice to see some of the Xbox info getting finished. But I have to question the $40 price for Time Splitters: Future Perfect. The rarity 1 seems definitely correct, but the price seems way to high. I know that usually the DP guide slightly undervalues the games (as stated in the rarity FAQ), and this seems WAY overvalued.

[Bojay1997]

Myst III Exile on Xbox. I've never seen a copy on Xbox besides mine. I don't think it's a R1. And there is 1 copy on eBay!

It's still available from several on-line places for $9.99. It could just be a regional thing, but Fry's, Circuit City and Toys R Us in Southern California all had it for several years and now that they are scaling back their Xbox sections in favor of the 360, they have pretty much sold out. I think trying to set rarity when a system is in its "transition period" from actively being available at mass retailers to being available at specialty on-line retailers and Ebay is a mistake. Give it a year or two so you know what stuff is still available and being liquidated by big distributors and what is truly rare.

[grolt]

Since I'm still seeking it out I should probably hold my tongue, but the DAYTONA USA: CHAMPIONSHIP CIRCUIT NETLINK EDITION needs a big revision in that database. There is no question it is the rarest of the US Saturn games (since it was only available directly through Sega). I've been looking daily for that game for over a year now, and I've only ever seen one copy, and even then it was disc and manual only. It went for a lot more than the $20 it's listed at in the ORG too. Try $237. Complete I could see it going for $300 easy. So if it were me, I'd up the price and definitely bump it from a 6 to an 8 in the rarity scale.

[Forever23]

I have a copy of Virtual Cameraman 5 for the 3DO...

All the copies have NO rarity rating...

Here is a pic of the front / back and disk for your database.



I hope this isn't too graphic lol
http://i3.tinypic.com/4uw3r88.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/6c75d1x.jpg

http://i19.tinypic.com/53r70c2.jpg

[megamaniaman]

I was wondering about Karate by Ultravision. The game seems to be more like a rarity 10 than a 9 for the Atari 2600.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Pocket Fighter for PSX is no where near worth $26 as the database says, probably only around $8-10

[Shrooin]

I think Obelix (Atari 2600) PAL version should get a rating. On the AtariAge forums it's well known that the PAL Obelix is rare. Also the AtariAge rarity guide (http://www.atariage.com/software_search.html?SystemID=2600) lists it as an R7. There is another website with a rarity database compiled by some people from the AtariAge forum specifically for PAL 2600 games. They list Obelix (http://www.retroreview.com/paldatabase/Search.php?name=obelix&SortBy=name) as an R6

[Shrooin]

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[TheDomesticInstitution]

Thought I'd post it here instead of starting a new thread. I tried looking for Capcom Classics, and Capcom Classics: Volume 2 for the XBOX, and although I found items for ps2... I couldn't find an entry for either of the titles for XBOX. I was going to try again over the past few days to make sure before I said anything, but the guide has been unavailable for me. When I searched for it... I made sure I left it as open as possible, and only typed in "Capcom."

[PapaStu]

Thought I'd post it here instead of starting a new thread. I tried looking for Capcom Classics, and Capcom Classics: Volume 2 for the XBOX, and although I found items for ps2... I couldn't find an entry for either of the titles for XBOX. I was going to try again over the past few days to make sure before I said anything, but the guide has been unavailable for me. When I searched for it... I made sure I left it as open as possible, and only typed in "Capcom."

The previous controller of the XBox list didn't really get all that much done to it for a long long time. It's now in the hands of S1lence and he's working his way thru it all. When we were talking earlier today he mentioned that he had just sent in an update with something like 100-150 new games added to it. Give him a little time to get it up to snuff.

[s1lence]

The previous controller of the XBox list didn't really get all that much done to it for a long long time. It's now in the hands of S1lence and he's working his way thru it all. When we were talking earlier today he mentioned that he had just sent in an update with something like 100-150 new games added to it. Give him a little time to get it up to snuff.

Yeah, the list was a complete mess!!!! I'm working on it as best I can. I just want to make sure I don't miss anything. I have to wait for Joe to do the update I just sent him so I can finish it. Sorry for the delay, but to be complete I have to take my time to make it right.

[CoffeeMan]

Hey there,

I work for a used books/electronics store that uses your pricing guide frequently (we carry all manner of 'retro' games and systems). It has been my experience that the prices listed for your old Game Boy and Color Game Boy games are a tad on the low side. We frequently sell these the Red, Blue, Yellow, etc versions for twice to three times as much as your listed price, and recieve a comment of "that's a good price for that" fairly often. For Pokemon, we use the use prices at amazon.com as a guide, tending to mark our items around the lowest prices posted there. Just a though.

Thanks for having such an awesome resource for us to use!

[vintagegamecrazy]

I saw that Robodemons for NES didn't have release date, on the box it lists 1990.

[smork]

I noticed Final fantasy Premium is listed as an R7/$100 (complete). There seems to be about a kajillion of these in many stores (I seriously counted over 10 in one), all about 4000 yen.

Perhaps not as rare/pricey as thought?

[randis112]

I recently found a site selling games called jjgames.com. Most of their limited inventory of used games is fairly cheap but a few of their games are outragous when you consider according to the database here that they are fairly common.

Case in point, Back to the future 3 for the sega genesis cart only is going for 110 dollars. Worms armageddon for the n64 cart only 164 dollars; and Super monkeyball for the x-box is going for 184 dollars.

Anyone have any ideas as to why the ridiculous prices for these games in particular?

[vintagegamecrazy]

there's no publisher for Messiah for PS1

Messiah (http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=45803)

Developed by Shiny Entertainment'

Published by interplay

Starcon (http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=25480)

Published by Accolade.

[TonyTheTiger]

I think the rarity of Lunar Silver Star Story "Fan Edition" for the PSX is a bit off. The guide has it as an R5 but based on the numbers, that seems kind of odd.

While talking about the extras for Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete, Victor Ireland says: "We made enough raw materials to sell more than the original 250,000 we sold of SSSC"
http://psx.ign.com/articles/087/087665p1.html

From what I gather, both here and elsewhere, Lunar: SSSC sold a total of about 250,000 copies (WD best selling game ever). Knowing Working Designs that means that's probably about equal to the actual production numbers.

Here it says (Don't know how valid it is) that the game sold 222,763. Just do a find for Lunar.
http://www.armchairarcade.com/aamain/forum_viewtopic.php?2.16655

Now, about the Fan Edition, from Victor Ireland's mouth...er...keyboard, he says: "Less than 1 out of every 30 LUNAR:Silver Star Story Playstation games are this type"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130198844779

This is Victor Ireland selling the item (I bought it, in fact). And if you do the math and divide 250,000 by 30 you get 8,333. He says less than 1 so I'm guessing that means about 8,000 copies of the Fan Edition were printed. Which, if you think about it, makes sense as even the DP guide says that they were only available through limited channels.

Panzer Dragoon Saga and Dragonball GT: Final Bout (original Bandai version) both are R6 and I'm pretty certain both had print runs amounting to about 10,000 each. So if 10,000 copies floating around equals R6 how does 8,000 copies floating around equal R5?

For something even stranger, RayStorm is listed as an R7. But the numbers here say it sold 31,357. That's more than the R6s I mentioned alone not even considering that these are probably not the final numbers in existence.
http://www.armchairarcade.com/aamain/forum_viewtopic.php?2.16655

What are the general numbers between listings? 500,000+ = R1? 400,000-500,000 = R2?



I also find it strange that Lost & Found Volume 1 for the Saturn is an R9 when in the description itself it says there are only 25 copies. How is something with only 25 copies an R9? This is especially strange when there are R10s on the list with more than double or triple that.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Move these two to the Demoes samplers section and make them R10's
RCA games (http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=1869)

Both that one and the tester I should be moved

[DefaultGen]

Some of the Lightspan PSX games are R18, R20, and R30. I'm sorry I didn't run a search, but is this normal?

[TonyTheTiger]

I think the explanation there is that the price and rarity numbers were swapped by accident.

[randis112]

I recently found a site selling games called jjgames.com. Most of their limited inventory of used games is fairly cheap but a few of their games are outragous when you consider according to the database here that they are fairly common.

Case in point, Back to the future 3 for the sega genesis cart only is going for 110 dollars. Worms armageddon for the n64 cart only 164 dollars; and Super monkeyball for the x-box is going for 184 dollars.

Anyone have any ideas as to why the ridiculous prices for these games in particular?

Thanks for the answer guys.

[TonyTheTiger]

I have an update about Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete. I've been talking to Victor Ireland through email since I bought an item from him. He said this about the Fan Edition:

Less than 10,000 of that [Fan Edition] were made. There were close to 300,000 LUNAR sold overall.

So them's the numbers from the producer himself.

[mumbai]

It has been my experience that the prices listed for your old Game Boy and Color Game Boy games are a tad on the low side. In general, the Game Boy (Original, at least) prices in DP's online guide really ought not to be taken as authoritative. I haven't seen much evidence over the past four or so years that they're accurate at all.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Other than Gamestop and Gamecrazy and the likes who never sell their overpriced Game Boy games, the games in the database are fairly priced to me, if they turn up outside of major retailers the prices are considerably lower and more reflect the guide better.

[jjgames]

In general, the Game Boy (Original, at least) prices in DP's online guide really ought not to be taken as authoritative. I haven't seen much evidence over the past four or so years that they're accurate at all.

I agree with this. The rarity scores seem spot on as far as I can tell, but the prices are almost always low. Compared to what you would pay on ebay or Amazon the prices don't seem that accurate. I have started using the guide just for the rarity score and other sites for the prices.

[vintagegamecrazy]

The prices are around 10-20% low, we all know Ebay and amazon are on the high side so you can't use the guide for ebay so I don't agree with that statement.

[jjgames]

The prices are around 10-20% low, we all know Ebay and amazon are on the high side so you can't use the guide for ebay so I don't agree with that statement.

I don't know what you mean "ebay is on the high side". How can it be "high" when it is based upon the price people bid. Some who wins an item said I think it is worth this much. I would say that is exactly right.

What do you think the "right" price is if it isn't what someone has voluntarily agreed to pay?

[mumbai]

The prices are around 10-20% low, we all know Ebay and amazon are on the high side so you can't use the guide for ebay so I don't agree with that statement.I don't know what you mean "ebay is on the high side".
I don't know what is meant, either, as eBay trends above or below prices elsewhere depending on the title. I think it's a bit much to assume "we all know" something that seems to be assumed rather than demonstrable. On the other hand, borrowing your assumption, eBay *ought* to have higher prices, given that one typically can inspect the actual merchandise to a degree, whereas with Amazon, Half.com, GameTZ, etc. it requires faith that a listing is accurate in terms of quality assessment ... alarmingly, any such faith is often misplaced.

[SamuraiSmurfette]

Just curious as the comparison between this rarity guide, and Atariage's.
I recently got Space Tunnel (made by Puzzy). Atariage lists it as a 9, while Digitpress, only a 4.

Atariage's Rarity Guide (http://www.atariage.com/software_search.html)

[eskobar]

Hello !!

Aero fighters is valued 25 Loose or Complete, but i have listed this game twice in a row and the reached 91 and 109 usd the cart only.

I will list a complete copy on ebay to check its value, do you have an idea of how much will reach ?

Thanks a lot !

[jjgames]

Hello !!

Aero fighters is valued 25 Loose or Complete, but i have listed this game twice in a row and the reached 91 and 109 usd the cart only.

I will list a complete copy on ebay to check its value, do you have an idea of how much will reach ?

Thanks a lot !

Yeah that game is quite rare and expensive now. I don't have the auction number but on April 23 of this year a Aero Fighters sold for $200 with the box and instructions. My guess is that is about what you would get for it.

[eskobar]

Thanks a lot for the reply, JJGAMES; sometimes you get really crazy prices on ebay ... right now i have a sealed kid icarus that has bids for 199 usd with 3 days left ..

let's see about that aero :D

it is my only complete copy, but i am very curious :S

[krbrunn]

Whoopsie sorry, posted in the wrong thread, my apologies.

[TonyTheTiger]

If anyone's wondering, Victor Ireland says this about the Lunar: SSSC Demo Disc.

These are pretty rare because only about 1 in 25 games that were sold got the demo disc (you got it when you preordered).

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-LUNAR-Silver-Star-Story-DEMO-CD-Playstation-New_W0QQitemZ130254251205QQihZ003QQcategoryZ139973 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Right now the demo has a rating of 0. Well, considering there were about 300,000 copies of Lunar pressed (as said by Victor himself) that puts the demo at about 12,000.

[Arthur-Otaku]

There are some incorrect information about brazilian sms games on rarity guide

Just an example, sonic blast and street fighter, 25 dollars for each in complete condition, looks "odd"

I sold since may around 5 or 6 complete copies of each on ebay and all auctions finished under 100/120 dollars. The boxed only sold very well too, much higher than 25 dollars

Looks very incorrect for me, I never sold one for 25 dollars on ebay

Another example is fire'n ice, looks cheap and common on rarity guide but my auctions and my experience says different, this cart is very hard to find in Brazil and always (when I have it) finish under 100 dollars or more on my auctions. Guide says that mickey ultimate challenge is the most hard to find, it's wrong, fire'n ice and ultimate challenge are the most hard to find here and there is another title, power strike 2, that is much more rarer and almost impossible to find in complete condition here and very hard in boxed/loose conditions

Mickey ultimate challenge is so cheap on guide too, easily ends more than 100 dollars on my auctions when, rarely, I have it

I can list more but this is the most important

[vintagegamecrazy]

Fido Dido (http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=6197) doesn't have a manufacturer listed. The game is made by Kaneko

Fido Dido Ebay auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/FIDO-DIDO-sega-genesis-SAMPLE-DEMO-very-rare_W0QQitemZ270280266248QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Vi ntage_Video_Games?hash=item270280266248&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

[XianXi]

I probably said this 2 years ago but Tiny Tonns:Wild and Wacky Sports Challenge for SNES is not very common and only has a rarity of 2, I haven't seen a US one on ebay for almost 3 years. It's a great game to play with friends and family as well. I think the rarity should be at least a 5.

[nintendoeats]

Ecitebike for the 2? In 3 or so years of game collecting Iv'e only seen one copy of the game, and I own it. It might not be super rare, but 2? seems like more of a 4 to me...

[DKTheArcadeRat]

Ecitebike for the 2? In 3 or so years of game collecting Iv'e only seen one copy of the game, and I own it. It might not be super rare, but 2? seems like more of a 4 to me...

Could very well have to do with your location. I see this game a lot in my travels.

[nintendoeats]

must be. ok then.

[digitalpress]

Ecitebike for the 2? In 3 or so years of game collecting Iv'e only seen one copy of the game, and I own it. It might not be super rare, but 2? seems like more of a 4 to me...

Wow. Would anyone in your area be interested in four dozen or so of them?

Great game but extremely common.

[Gameguy]

I feel there's something off with the Genesis games, specifically with the Blockbuster World Video Game Championships II. The Genesis is my favourite system so this has kind of been bugging me for awhile. I'm really hoping it'll be changed so the information will be more accurate. :)

The title is missing the "s" at the end of "Championship", the label shows it's "Championships".

Also the rarity is listed at 9, but there's less than ten copies confirmed to exist so it should be a 10. The Nintendo World Championships 1990 is more common but it's listed at 10, so the Blockbuster cart should be too. At least for now, until more copies are discovered.

The value is also way off, it's listed at $100 but it should be set at the guide's maximum as copies sell for over $2000. That's more than double the guides maximum.

I'll post a couple of references;
http://www.gamesniped.com/2007/11/08/worlds-most-expensive-video-games/
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega/genesis/2008/06/the-rarest-and-most-valuable-sega-genesis-megadrive-games.html

[ncman071]

just curious,... will the original xbox ever make it into the guide... just curious since its essentially a retired system... however i know its nowhere near classic so... anyway maybe in 10 years or so...

[TheDomesticInstitution]

just curious,... will the original xbox ever make it into the guide... just curious since its essentially a retired system... however i know its nowhere near classic so... anyway maybe in 10 years or so...

No it will not because it will not age well as a system, and the game cube and PS2 are way better. I have no facts to support this other than I never owned the system, and I have an unnatural love for Nintendo and JRPG's.

Seriously though, the XBOX has a very very large library and probably will take a long time to catalog. I believe s1lence is currently working on it- maybe by himself. But be patient, as it's a work in progress.

[vintagegamecrazy]

There are some incorrect information about brazilian sms games on rarity guide

Just an example, sonic blast and street fighter, 25 dollars for each in complete condition, looks "odd"

I sold since may around 5 or 6 complete copies of each on ebay and all auctions finished under 100/120 dollars. The boxed only sold very well too, much higher than 25 dollars

Looks very incorrect for me, I never sold one for 25 dollars on ebay

Another example is fire'n ice, looks cheap and common on rarity guide but my auctions and my experience says different, this cart is very hard to find in Brazil and always (when I have it) finish under 100 dollars or more on my auctions. Guide says that mickey ultimate challenge is the most hard to find, it's wrong, fire'n ice and ultimate challenge are the most hard to find here and there is another title, power strike 2, that is much more rarer and almost impossible to find in complete condition here and very hard in boxed/loose conditions

Mickey ultimate challenge is so cheap on guide too, easily ends more than 100 dollars on my auctions when, rarely, I have it

I can list more but this is the most important

The Non US SMS section hasn't been updated in eons, it needs work and most games are underpriced and need to be changed. They need to go up but not to Ebay highs. I agree that some are quite expensive though.

[Phénix]

Is is possible that the rarity and price of E.V.O. (SNES) are a bit off at R4 / 35$ ? The loose copies available on eBay are around 100$, and there are less copies available than, for example, Dracula X, which is an R5 / 50$ ... Dracula X seems regularly a good 20$ less than E.V.O. on eBay. And I must say that in 5 years of searching this game, I only saw it twice (outside of eBay) : a loose copy at 50$ and the complete copy I got in 2004. I really have the feeling it's at least as rare as Dracula X.

[jjgames]

Is is possible that the rarity and price of E.V.O. (SNES) are a bit off at R4 / 35$ ? The loose copies available on eBay are around 100$, and there are less copies available than, for example, Dracula X, which is an R5 / 50$ ... Dracula X seems regularly a good 20$ less than E.V.O. on eBay. And I must say that in 5 years of searching this game, I only saw it twice (outside of eBay) : a loose copy at 50$ and the complete copy I got in 2004. I really have the feeling it's at least as rare as Dracula X.

I completely agree with this EVO price and rarity difference. The game consistently sells for $55-60 on ebay. At VGPC we have records of more than 15 EVO sales on ebay this year. Not a single one sold for less than $40 and the average was $56.

[josemp81]

http://www.digitpress.com:8080/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=24141

is this right i looked on ebay and it sold for 30 to 40 bucks?

[vintagegamecrazy]

Mr Do!'s Castle hasn't been that expensive in a while and yes it needs to be updated.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Time to point out the Splatterhouses on Genesis. The DB is low since these have gone up in price. Part 2 should be listed at roughly $30-35 and part 3 should be $20-25.

I would also like to mention that the Genesis port of Syndicate seems a whole lot rarer than a R4, I'd list it at a 5-6.

[Baloo]

Michael Jackson's Moonwalker for Genesis value seems a little off to me. I see that cart only of that game go for $20, and complete copies go for $30, yet the game is only valued at $8? It should be more around the $15-20 price range.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Try to sell the cart for that price elsewhere than ebay and see how much you get.

[TonyTheTiger]

Ebay is such a double edged sword. On one hand, yes, you have a decent gauge of what something is worth so you aren't walking in completely blind. But on the other hand, that value is based on the demand that exists in most of the civilized world. The demand on Ebay is not going to carry over to anywhere else for most things. Ebay generally gives you a high ball price which while certainly useful in its own right, is not always realistic.

[Baloo]

Ebay is such a double edged sword. On one hand, yes, you have a decent gauge of what something is worth so you aren't walking in completely blind. But on the other hand, that value is based on the demand that exists in most of the civilized world. The demand on Ebay is not going to carry over to anywhere else for most things. Ebay generally gives you a high ball price which while certainly useful in its own right, is not always realistic.

This is a very good point. Stuff like Sega-CD and 32x consoles that once went for really cheaply now go for outrageous prices sometimes due to the eBay demand.

[badllama]

I was browsing throughthe PS1 section and some of the rarities seem off...meaning they are over 10! lots of 18s and some 20s, I don't think this is intentional?

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and others too, i don't know anything about them but I was pretty sure the guide just went 0-10

[Baloo]

DDR Disney mix looks really off with a rarity of 3 and a price of $15 complete. That game used to go for $70 complete, and although the value may have dropped a little, I'm pretty sure the plug n play version didn't decrease value.

DDR Mario Mix doesn't even have a value, and that's another expensive iteration of the series.

[retrocollectorguy]

I completely agree with this EVO price and rarity difference. The game consistently sells for $55-60 on ebay. At VGPC we have records of more than 15 EVO sales on ebay this year. Not a single one sold for less than $40 and the average was $56.

I agree with both of you. Even though im looking to sell most my games, EVO is one that I intend to buy. Ive been tracking it for the last 3 months on ebay and the cartridges that surface are usually the same ones except this time being flipped by a reseller. I have seen only 1 complete copy during this time. By complete I mean it has to have the maps and filler inserts included.

[FFX]

Can someone give me a price estimation for Final Fantasy X in PAL version ? still sealed, can't find it anywhere on the net

Thanks

[Baloo]

Outback Joey is listed as a Prototype/One-of-a-kind game, when it was actually a retail release.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Can we add the newly found Colecovision Fireman Prototype to the database now?

And can we finally get Gamma Attack listed for the Atari 2600 in the US games section?

[garagesaleking!!]

i think the agetec arcade stick for dreamcast is underpriced in the guide, and im not just saying that because i found one.

[Lostdwarf]

somethign i got awhile ago and noticed it's a 6 but only worth $20 in the guide


Bronkie the Bronchiasaurus for SNES


from what I know it was a very rare game that had a limited release. Taught kids that smoking was bad etc. The ones i've seen on ebay go for about $50+ loose, never seen a complete one.

mike

[jeffg]

i sold a factory sealed one for $70 recently (bronchie)

[Lostdwarf]

just did a look on ebay and the cheapest is $69.95 loose, although there is a sealed one up there too

[Pantechnicon]

Hi guys. First time posting in this forum. I notice our online price guide does not have an entry for an Atari 2600 game made by Panda called "Space Canyon". AA has its rarity at a 6 (http://www.atariage.com/software_page.html?SoftwareLabelID=454) according to their scale. All the released Panda games on DP are listed as R7. The truth is somewhere in between I guess. I got incredibly lucky today and scored one of these off CL, and I think I'll record it as R7 until I hear otherwise.

[Sanriostar]

No way in hell is Up N' Down or Super Zaxxon for the C64 a 4; they've gotta be a 6-7 at least. I've been collecting C64 for as long as the computer has been released, and I've seen *ONE* Up N' Down cart the entire time I've been collecting, (the one I own) and never seen a Super Zaxxon.

I just want to reopen for discussion the ranking for these items.

[crux]

I noticed the Japanese game ZXE-D: Legend of Plasmalite for PlayStation is missing from the list. I'm not sure of the rarity as I haven't ever checked Japanese auctions, but I do know it took me over six months to find a single listing for the complete game via eBay (it comes with four model robots that can hook up to the game via the memory card slot). I found one thread that claims that less than 10,000 copies were produced, though I can't verify that number. The game alone is on eBay right now, but the value would be in the complete set. It's at least a rarity of 6, I'd wager, and possibly as much as an 8.

I'm sure everyone around here knows of Magical Chase (I did a google search for it with this site targeted and got hundreds of results), but, uh, why the price of $275 for a complete copy? That's low for even just the Hucard.

[Bojay1997]

I noticed the Japanese game ZXE-D: Legend of Plasmalite for PlayStation is missing from the list. I'm not sure of the rarity as I haven't ever checked Japanese auctions, but I do know it took me over six months to find a single listing for the complete game via eBay (it comes with four model robots that can hook up to the game via the memory card slot). I found one thread that claims that less than 10,000 copies were produced, though I can't verify that number. The game alone is on eBay right now, but the value would be in the complete set. It's at least a rarity of 6, I'd wager, and possibly as much as an 8.

I'm sure everyone around here knows of Magical Chase (I did a google search for it with this site targeted and got hundreds of results), but, uh, why the price of $275 for a complete copy? That's low for even just the Hucard.

I don't think ZXE-D is terribly rare or valuable. All the major importers took orders for it here in the States and I have seen it pretty regularly on Yahoo.JP auctions for about what it sold for new. Using Ebay as your only rarity guide for Japanese stuff is foolish.

As for Magical Chase, I have to agree with you. Complete copies are regularly going for double that amount and sometimes 3-4 times that much.

[crux]

I figured there was the possibility of ZXE-D being more common than it seemed, as I've yet to figure out how to find things reliably on Yahoo Japan (it took me ages to find Minimoni Tambourine for PS, despite the fact that it was being sold on Amazon Japan), although it's an early PlayStation release and a niche release at that (four configurable model robots). I can't imagine a title like that would be terribly common (sometimes a reasonable price for a seemingly rare title is just an indication of low demand, like some of the SuperGrafx games), but again I haven't verified it myself.

I'm also new around here, so what do I know? :)

[wingzrow]

Earthbound on snes is way off, i see it going for 70-80 commonly, not the 55 the list says.

[markbecken09]

Hey,
i also think that either the SNES COmp. carts should be raised to R10 (how many actually exist??) or the NWC lowered to R9, i have the feeling those should be in the same category, but maybe i haven't got a clue about US rarity.

Thanks.

[Only16bits]

Hi! How much does a Space Channel 5 Part 2 PS2 PAL game cost?

[kobunheatforum]

Hi Joe and everyone,

I go to Tokyo at least once a year and have noticed recently that the Japanese Virtual Boy prices and rarities are off in a variety of ways. Since the DP Guide is my go-to resource for this stuff, I'd like to help fix this up.

Japanese Virtual Boy games fall into roughly three categories.

Common: These sell for anywhere from $10 to maybe $25. Many stores still have brand new copies of them just sitting around! Galactic Pinball, Mario Clash, Jack Bros., Mario's Tennis, Red Alarm, T&E Virtual Golf, Teleroboxer, Tobidase! Panibon, V-Tetris, Vertical Force, Virtual Fishing, and Virtual Pro Yakyu. Of these, Mario Clash and Jack Bros. are the least common, but again -- brand new stock, still available, roughly $20 each.

Uncommon: These are slightly harder to find, but they're still readily available in a few specialty stores for between $40-80. Again -- you can sometimes still find new ones. Insmouse no Yakata, Space Squash, and Wario Land. Of these, Wario Land is hardest to find, believe it or not.

Incredibly Rare: These are the only games that cost over $100, and most of them cost even more than that. It's possible to find them, of course (it's possible to find anything there any day of the week) but they are some of the most expensive games in the country. SD Gundam Generation War, Space Invaders Collection, Virtual Bowling, Virtual Lab. Of these, Space Invaders Collection is the cheapest at around $200; the rest will run you $400-plus.

Import games are a bit tricky because of course they're a little harder to acquire outside Japan, and I know the DP Guide tends to take that into account. If we were living in Japan, I'd bump the common ones down a few points, but here are the ratings I'd recommend.

Virtual Golf, V-Tetris, Virtual Yakyu: 3
Galactic Pinball, Red Alarm, Mario's Tennis, Vertical Force, Panibon, Teleroboxer: 4
Virtual Fishing, Mario Clash, Jack Bros.: 5
Insmouse, Space Squash: 6
Wario Land: 7
Space Invaders Collection: 8
Virtual Bowling, Virtual Lab, SD Gundam: 9

Let me know if you have any questions; I hope this helps!

[nensondubois]

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/listing.cmf

The Resident Evil Bonus Disc is not listed. It is uncommon. I'm not talking about the Resident Evil 4 Preview Disc. The 1080 avalanche Bonus disc isn't listed as well as the Pac-Man Vs. Bonus Disc with Pac-Man World also.

[CNash]

Hi! How much does a Space Channel 5 Part 2 PS2 PAL game cost?

I'd also like to know about this game. I have a PAL, UK release of Space Channel 5 Part 2 (distinct from the European edition due to having different ratings labels - the UK version doesn't have USK). This seems to be one of a very small batch of released copies; all sources (including the rarity guide) indicate that it was never released in the UK, but the existance of the copy in my possession - and the few being sold on Amazon Marketplace - would appear to refute this. Most likely it was released and then recalled very quickly.

I can take photos of my copy if you'd like proof (or are just curious) - it's complete with manual.

[Parodius]

The xbox version of Robotech Battlecry Collector's Edition seems to be missing from the database.

[Gameguy]

There's a few mistakes with the guide so I thought I'd post them here.

Metroid for the NES;
The problem is with the description. It says no sequel appeared until the Super NES release of Super Metroid, but there was a sequel for the Game Boy that came out before Super Metroid.

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=5892


Impossimole for the Turbografx-16;
The title of this game is misspelled. It should be "Impossamole".

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=8258


Sora Kiba: Operation Code Vapor Trail for the Genesis/Mega Drive;
The first part of the title has been mistranslated from Japanese, the title should be "Ku-u-ga: Operation Code Vapor Trail" as that's what's actually on the front of the cover(though very small in print). Maybe some members here who know Japanese well can confirm this. I'm not sure if it should be Ku-u-ga or Kuuga as both ways seem to be common spellings.

Here's a cover scan so you can see for yourself.
http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/md/kuuga.jpg

http://www.digitpress.com/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=30965

[Fatalstar64]

I think Sparkster for the SNES is rarer than R3 I've never seen more than one. Maybe it's just rare in Canada? In either case the price for loose is $30ish not $6 on eBay if you can even find them there.

[Sanriostar]

Defender of the Crown is listed in the Intellivision section; is this a typo? Or does a One-of-a-Kind DOC exist?

[dstone]

Just noticed that Avenger for the Commodore VIC-20 is missing from the online database. It's published by Commodore. I ended up with three copies (two with white labels and one with silver), so I would think that they are rather common.

[Wookie]

Just noticed that Avenger for the Commodore VIC-20 is missing from the online database. It's published by Commodore. I ended up with three copies (two with white labels and one with silver), so I would think that they are rather common.

It's listed as VIC Avenger, since that's the name on the box.

[dstone]

It's listed as VIC Avenger, since that's the name on the box.

Ah, I only have the cart, so that would explain it.

[3rdman]

All Bitcorp Gamate entries are still credited as Korean. They're Taiwanese.

[General_Murdock]

I know people will kill me for asking this
and will say this isn't the right place to ask but..

I was looking at the Complete Game Rarity Lists/Database static lists.

What is G B I ?

Game, box, inlay ?
What would be inlay ? manual ?