New PS3 Slim coming out this September...

[heybtbm]

I'm going to vote, yes...

http://kotaku.com/5253475/are-these-the-first-pics-of-the-ps3-slim

I understand why Kotaku has to maintain some skepticism, but this looks legit to me. Who knows really? If we don't hear anything by E3, we'll know it's fake.

[JunkTheMagicDragon]

design doesn't look as refined as the foreman grill. could be a chinese knockoff system, but then there's the pretty convincing box. if it's legit, i'll miss the fingerprint-magnet piano black finish.

btw, ran into a ps3 in the wild saturday, by its lonesome on a sale table. i'd always seen them before in a display case or in a box, so i was struck my how friggin big it is sitting by itself.

[Atari 5200]

Could be, but look how cheap this plastic looks here.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ypkr3m.jpg

[Clownzilla]

It does look like a sub-standard system case. It could very well be a knockoff. If it is a knockoff though, what guts will it have? Could this be the first DVD based clone system that conveniently leaves off disc protection? If I were Sony, I would worry about this more than people modding PSP's and PS2's. Anyone and their brother could buy this thing and pirate right out of the box. Bad news.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Or it could be a prototype, meaning the casing isn't final or polished. :P

[ErmangelnSeelen]

why would they put the logo on the bottom of the console? It reminds me of a knockoff more than anything...

[theChad]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most consoles have their logo on the bottom? Just doing a quick flip of the ones closest to me, all had the logo somewhere on the bottom...

[otaku]

I like the current system though it is a beast. A slimmer/lighter version that is cheaper to buy (hopefully) would be excellent. A matt finish might be cool to

[Diosoth]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most consoles have their logo on the bottom? Just doing a quick flip of the ones closest to me, all had the logo somewhere on the bottom...

I believe the Xbox had it on the sticker.


This... well, it's uglier than the current PS3. As for it being a bootleg, the new lettering looks funny and I've always wondered why bootleggers didn't outright copy the official packaging. Not like it's less illegal that way. Assuming it's some knockoff crap, don't count on it playing PS3 games. Or PS1 or Sega CD. Probably get some game disc packed with it or not use discs but opt for built-in stuff.

And has the technology advanced enough yet to allow a smaller redesign?

[FortunesPlatinum]

Gads! I hope that's fake. It's not only cheap looking but uglier than the Foreman Grill design.

[dendawg]

why would they put the logo on the bottom of the console?

And, more importantly, why would they use the old PS2 font, instead of the PS3 Spider-Man style font? :smash:

[Sonicwolf]

I miss the old PS2 Font. I think the new Spiderman font is kind of dumb looking.

[LaughingMAN.S9]

assuming this is real (which i highly doubt) i could definitely see sony coming out with a slimmer cost cutting ps3 to offset the rumored price drop, sony has pulled dumber shit than this in the past so i wouldnt put it past them, i dont think this is a final finish as mentioned by other posters, but a matte finish would be fuckin sexy tho






....still think its fake tho :(

[The 1 2 P]

I'm pretty sure it's a knock off. Sony definitely has plans for a smaller cheaper system but who knows when that will happen.

[shopkins]

I don't think this is real because it looks kind of cheap and Chinese and because I saw a fake Wii system at a Dollar store and it had a nice looking box, too, but what's dumb about Sony making a slimmer, less expensive PS3? That seems like a a pretty good idea to me.

[The 1 2 P]

Sony officially states: "we don't know anything about that system in the photos", so says CAV (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=214986)

[swlovinist]

i like the redesign, so it must be fake lol

[Diosoth]

I suspect piracy groups are getting ballsier, hence the more accurate box with actual branding. I wonder how many people will honestly believe the street vendors are selling legit PS3s for $50?

Though I have always wondered why these things even have electronic parts. Like those fake iPods and such. Bootleggers could sell empty plastic shells all the same, if you're going to rip people off.

[FxMercenary]

why would they put the logo on the bottom of the console? It reminds me of a knockoff more than anything...

so it can sit upright like ths PS2 fat and ps3?

[heybtbm]

More news...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/983/983279p1.html

The plot thickens.

[CosmicMonkey]

I did initially expected to see a PSthree somewhere down the line, but then this is the first time Sony haven't been leading the race.

Considering the huge costs of re-tooling the PS3 factories to produce a new version of the machine, it's really only possible if it's financially viable. Maybe Sony have found a way to reduce production costs massively and turn that current $40 loss per console into $50 profit on a $300 machine.

[Leo_A]

First of all, that's ugly and unprofessional looking. I doubt its real, and rumors coming from places like reliable GameStop employees just reinforces my believe that its a hoax.

Second, why do people think this is a case for some pirated system that won't play PS3 games? If a pirate is going to try to cash in on the success of a console, they at least try to make it look like that system. This doesn't make a shred of sense that it would be a pirated console that is trying to disguise itself as a fake redesign of the PS3.

Lastly, just in case its real, I'm glad I already bought a PS3. I happily waited and bought the redesigned versions of their first two consoles since they were superior in terms of their appearance and reliability, but this thing is awful. I'd rather buy a used console for more money than that thing.

[swlovinist]

The more I think about this, the more that this is probably real. This I feel is what SONY should be doing with their system. They need to reinvent the PS3, what a better way to do that than to make a leaner and meaner version of it. With E3 just weeks away, what a better way of promoting this. If they were able to make a cost effective PS3 that was able to retain some features(would be nice to at least have the ability to play PS2 games), and offer a package for $300 or less, this could be the shot in the arm that Sony needs. I think we all can agree that they need to do something, and this looks like it could be a good move.....if it is real and IF the redesign is a quality one.

[Diosoth]

Second, why do people think this is a case for some pirated system that won't play PS3 games? If a pirate is going to try to cash in on the success of a console, they at least try to make it look like that system. This doesn't make a shred of sense that it would be a pirated console that is trying to disguise itself as a fake redesign of the PS3.

Given how many famiclones look like PlayStations and PSOnes, it really wouldn't surprise anyone. Nevermind Dr. Ashen (http://www.youtube.com/user/ashens) and his reviews of cheap LCD games that look like the PSP and DS. There's even one that looks like a tiny PS3.

But even if this is real... well, Sony has made this console look as ugly as possible and this new model doesn't help. No tonly is the PS3 the most expensive system of the current gen, but it's also the least attractive, in terms of it's basic shape. They can do MUCH better.

[Leo_A]

That's my entire point...

They made clones that looked like something else in order to fool unsuspecting consumers.

They didn't go out and reinvent the wheel by making a fake redesign of something else. If this was a poor effort by a pirate somewhere, it would at least look like a PS3.

[Lothars]

It depends on what happens, I mean it could happen but i don't think this year we will see a PS3 slim but probably early next year though I am positive we will see at least a 299 PS3 if not lower than that in the next couple months.

[Diosoth]

That's my entire point...

They made clones that looked like something else in order to fool unsuspecting consumers.

They didn't go out and reinvent the wheel by making a fake redesign of something else. If this was a poor effort by a pirate somewhere, it would at least look like a PS3.

It sort of does... I doubt most piraters will go buy a PS3 solely to strip it for the case to cast a mold from. It's cheaper to make something from scratch.

[Leo_A]

No, it doesn't. We're talking about things that aren't going to be made in someone's spare time in their garage for a few extra dollars. I doubt the cost of a PS3 is going to make a pirate decide they're going to make a fake redesign of it.

When pirates copy a consoles design, they copy it. That's why we have things such as Famicoms in what appears to be a Playstation casing and so on.

This doesn't make any sense, I'm not sure why people think it does and then provide examples like the one I just did to back it up when its not the same. A pirated console that does something like play Super Famicom cartridges that's disguised as a PS3 is going to look like a PS3. Otherwise, the entire purpose of making it look like something else is defeated. A pirate isn't going to launch a fake redesign of a console.

[dendawg]

When pirates copy a consoles design, they copy it. That's why we have things such as Famicclones in what appears to be a Playstation casing and so on.

Edited for accuracy.

[Diosoth]

No, it doesn't. We're talking about things that aren't going to be made in someone's spare time in their garage for a few extra dollars. I doubt the cost of a PS3 is going to make a pirate decide they're going to make a fake redesign of it.

When pirates copy a consoles design, they copy it. That's why we have things such as Famicoms in what appears to be a Playstation casing and so on.

This doesn't make any sense, I'm not sure why people think it does and then provide examples like the one I just did to back it up when its not the same. A pirated console that does something like play Super Famicom cartridges that's disguised as a PS3 is going to look like a PS3. Otherwise, the entire purpose of making it look like something else is defeated. A pirate isn't going to launch a fake redesign of a console.

I have just about had it with this forum. I post a thread thread with ltos of good stuff and it's ignored. I get yelled at for much any little thing. I am wasting my fucking time here!

[dendawg]

I have just about had it with this forum. I post a thread thread with ltos of good stuff and it's ignored. I get yelled at for much any little thing. I am wasting my fucking time here!

Save the drama for the soaps.:sob:

Posts made even hinting that you wish to quit are taken seriously by the mod team, so if you really want to leave, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

[Leo_A]

I have just about had it with this forum. I post a thread thread with ltos of good stuff and it's ignored. I get yelled at for much any little thing. I am wasting my fucking time here!

I yelled at you? I'm just having a good time on a discussion board that just happens to include not agreeing with you. I'm sorry if it came off any other way.

[Gemini-Phoenix]

why would they put the logo on the bottom of the console? It reminds me of a knockoff more than anything...

Remember, the PS3 is also designed to be used in the upright position, like the X360 and Wii, so the bottom would actually become the side like the PS2

[Leo_A]

GameSpot is thinking it might be a pirate knock off after all. So I reserve the right to be wrong. :)

[CosmicMonkey]

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/733/ps3g.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6229/ps3h.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6811/ps3i.jpg

More images have surfaced. So, um, yeah this is real then.

Should be a very interesting E3 from Sony. PSthree and PSP Go!....

[Leo_A]

Not bad looking now that its a better view of them.

[Gemini-Phoenix]

The question is, if it is real, then what have they sacrificed in order to make it slimmer and inevitably cheaper?

That said, they did a fantasic job in regards to the PStwo, by not only making it two thirds smaller, but by actually cramming MORE into it than the original model (Ie, the Network Adapter), although this did come at a price - There was no iLink port, and also no hard drive bay (So you can't play FFIX on the Slimline PStwo as far as I know)

:monkey:

[Sonicwolf]

Just imagine if they brought back PS2 compatibility...

This is starting to look a little less hoaxy.

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/ps3-slim-pics-provoke-cease-and-desist-letter-at-engadget/?biz=1

Someone, somewhere is trying hard to make those pics unavailiable to the public.

If it was just some person making it up, why would someone take such legal measures?

[walrusmonger]

Anaylists have always said (at least more than one) that they felt the PS3 would come out on top. Home theater people already go with the PS3, but with a slimmer/sexier/cheaper PS3, anyone with an HDTV would be nuts not to pick it up as a blu ray player.

Hopefully this is real- I love my PS3 and would love for more devs to work on it, it's really untapped.

[heybtbm]

anyone with an HDTV would be nuts not to pick it up as a blu ray player.

Mainstream Blu Ray players have been less than half the cost of PS3's since before last Christmas. The idea of the PS3 being a cheap Blu Ray player hasn't been accurate for more than a year.

[dendawg]

...anyone with an HDTV would be nuts to pick it up as a blu ray player.

Fixed.

Anyone dumb enough to spend $400 on a Blu-Ray player is nuts. Plain and simple.

[Sonicwolf]

Anaylists have always said (at least more than one) that they felt the PS3 would come out on top. Home theater people already go with the PS3, but with a slimmer/sexier/cheaper PS3, anyone with an HDTV would be nuts not to pick it up as a blu ray player.

Hopefully this is real- I love my PS3 and would love for more devs to work on it, it's really untapped.

I think its really untapped also. It just seems like an XBOX with a blu ray drive right now when it comes to game selection.

EDIT

Also, i bought it as a Blu Ray player when the BR players were still comparable in price.

[The 1 2 P]

Anaylists have always said (at least more than one) that they felt the PS3 would come out on top.

Those same analyst said the Wii would end up in last place this gen with it's gimmicky controller. Analyst get paid as much as weathermen but atleast weathermen are correct half the time.

[walrusmonger]

To the people who bashed my comment about HDTV users being nuts not to pick up a slim ps3-

Nobody knows what the thing will be priced at, if it exists at all. My comment was based on a competitive price on a system that plays blu ray discs and the most current games on the market.

12 P- I believe the things I read were after the Wii outsold both 360 and PS3, but yes- they're just giving their opinion and don't know what will really happen.

[Sonicwolf]

If they reinstated PlayStation 2 backwards compatability into a new, cheaper, slim PlayStation 3, I really think it would start to pick Sony up from this rut they are stuck in.

[norkusa]

If they reinstated PlayStation 2 backwards compatability into a new, cheaper, slim PlayStation 3, I really think it would start to pick Sony up from this rut they are stuck in.

I'd definitely buy one if they did. PS2 BC is the only thing that's keeping me from buying a new PS3.

[Sonicwolf]

I'd definitely buy one if they did. PS2 BC is the only thing that's keeping me from buying a new PS3.

I bought a PS3 and it blows having to have a PS2 hooked up also.

[heybtbm]

If they reinstated PlayStation 2 backwards compatability into a new, cheaper, slim PlayStation 3.

I think that ship has sailed.

[Sonicwolf]

I think that ship has sailed.

What confuses me is that the PlayStation compatability didnt board that ship. Ludicrous.

[The 1 2 P]

What confuses me is that the PlayStation compatability didnt board that ship. Ludicrous.

Thats because they needed that bullet point on the back of the box to make it an even six functions.

[Sonicwolf]

Thats because they needed that bullet point on the back of the box to make it an even six functions.

It doesnt even emulate PlayStation very well either. It glitches so bad in Spyro 2 its ridiculous. The speech is just plain garbled half the time.

[The 1 2 P]

It doesnt even emulate PlayStation very well either. It glitches so bad in Spyro 2 its ridiculous. The speech is just plain garbled half the time.

You should see how bad the emulation is on the 360 with Marvel Vs Capcom 2. Theres a constant streak on all the characters as if they are moving at super speed. The only problem is that this happens when you are standing still:|

[Sonicwolf]

You should see how bad the emulation is on the 360 with Marvel Vs Capcom 2. Theres a constant streak on all the characters as if they are moving at super speed. The only problem is that this happens when you are standing still:|

At least the 360 allows much of the XBOX original library to be played. Not having PlayStation 2 backwards compatability on the PS3 is a massive slap in the face to the 150 million+ PS2 owners.

[Gemini-Phoenix]

Just imagine if they brought back PS2 compatibility...

This is starting to look a little less hoaxy.

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/ps3-slim-pics-provoke-cease-and-desist-letter-at-engadget/?biz=1

Someone, somewhere is trying hard to make those pics unavailiable to the public.

If it was just some person making it up, why would someone take such legal measures?

If it were real, I am sure Sony would've released a press announcement regarding these pictures by now, seeing as they've been around for a few weeks now and no doubt every gamer on the internet has seen them. There's no use closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...

However, if they were fakes, then this would explain why someone somewhere wants these pictures taken down, as they don't want to draw attention to themselves

:deadhorse:



If they reinstated PlayStation 2 backwards compatability into a new, cheaper, slim PlayStation 3, I really think it would start to pick Sony up from this rut they are stuck in.

My sentiments exactly! If you ask me, removing backwards compatability from the PS3 was a major kick in the nuts for any would-be purchasers who were perhaps waiting a while for a decent flow of games to be released. I am sure that if it were reinstated (As many people want) then sales would go through the roof and we'd start to see some realistic sales figures. If they coincide that with the release of a much slimmer and sleeker SKU...

Bear in mind that FFXIII is due out soon, and will be the first real test of the PS3 vs X360 - I am sure the PS3 will likely come out on top in this battle! However, I would imagine sales of the X360 version, especially in Japan, will be considerably lower, so perhaps this will put Square-Enix off releasing it for X360 in other regions...

[The 1 2 P]

Bear in mind that FFXIII is due out soon, and will be the first real test of the PS3 vs X360 - I am sure the PS3 will likely come out on top in this battle!

Perhaps but keep in mind that 99% of multiplatform titles released on the 360 and PS3(on the same day) sell better on the 360.


However, I would imagine sales of the X360 version, especially in Japan, will be considerably lower, so perhaps this will put Square-Enix off releasing it for X360 in other regions...

There won't be a Japanese 360 version. Sony managed to keep it exclusive in that region. But the US and Europe are both still getting a 360 version. And like you, I'm really interested in seeing which version sells better. If the 360 version sells better, Square Enix will most likely rethink all those FF13 offshoot(like Versus) game exclusives on the PS3.

[RPG_Fanatic]

Perhaps but keep in mind that 99% of multipltform titles released on the 360 and PS3(on the same day) sell better on the 360. I'm really interested in seeing which version sells better.

I have both a 360 & PS3, but I'll buy the 360 version because of one thing...ACHIEVEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wraith Storm]

Formerly known as spam

So... like... Are you suggesting that I can unlock these shoes and clothes and stuff in FFXIII? :o That's FREAKING brilliant! Why haven't any RPGs done this before?

And here I thought FF couldn't get any more "Hip" than it already is!!! Just imagine unlocking jerseys and Nike shoes and outfitting the group. Throw some Blitz Ball in the mix and i'm pumped! It would for sure be the most awesomely cool FF game ever made!!!

Do you know if this is exclusive to the PS3 version ghjgdf? It's just what it needs to combat the 360's achievements.

But, yeah... back on track. If Sony does release a PS3 slim, it would make it a bit more enticing for me. As others have stated however, if they don't include FULL PS1 and PS2 backwards computability then its still a no-go as far as I am concerned. Right now the PS3 has virtually no exclusives that interest me and everything else plays just fine on my 360.

[Lothars]

I have both a 360 & PS3, but I'll buy the 360 version because of one thing...ACHIEVEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can understand that but when the PS3 version will have trophies I will be buying it for the PS3 because that's the system it was built for.

I probably will end up with it on both systems though.

[chicnstu]

Does this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002ACOWT6?tag=jusvidgam06-21&camp=1406&creative=6394&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B002ACOWT6&adid=0W86A3CPB2DDG74RM8NT&) mean that there will be no price cut around E3?

[PapaStu]

Does this (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002ACOWT6?tag=jusvidgam06-21&camp=1406&creative=6394&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B002ACOWT6&adid=0W86A3CPB2DDG74RM8NT&) mean that there will be no price cut around E3?


Bundled systems =/= to base system price drops.

[Sonicwolf]

If Sony releases a PS3 slim they will drop the price of the original PS3 in order to clear the stock and warehouses.

[The 1 2 P]

If Sony releases a PS3 slim they will drop the price of the original PS3 in order to clear the stock and warehouses.

Which basically means that the new slim PS3 would still be $399 and the older model would be dropped to $350. I seriously doubt Sony would drop it to $299, mainly because that would make so much sense.

[swlovinist]

Which basically means that the new slim PS3 would still be $399 and the older model would be dropped to $350. I seriously doubt Sony would drop it to $299, mainly because that would make so much sense.

Quoted for the dang truth....I think that Sony has screwed themselves so much this generation, that they might want to go get checked for STDs

[Sonicwolf]

Sony has screwed themselves harsh, yes, but, all in all, I dont see the video game industry in its entirety going anywhere special. It seems to be entering an era of ludicrous stagnation, shovelware, sequelism and over-milkage. Its starting to look like the world in 1939. Somethings gotta give.

[RPG_Fanatic]

I think that Sony has screwed themselves so much this generation, that they might want to go get checked for STDs

LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL Thanks for the good laugh today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\\^_^/

[chicnstu]

Well, here is the new PSP.

E3 SPOILERS:




http://media.ignimgs.com/media/thumb/287/2872903/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111845746_thumb_ign.jpg (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/988/988431/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111845746.jpg)

http://media.ignimgs.com/media/thumb/287/2872902/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111843058_thumb_ign.jpg (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/988/988431/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111843058.jpg)

http://media.ignimgs.com/media/thumb/287/2872901/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111840918_thumb_ign.jpg (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/988/988431/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111840918_640w.jpg)

http://media.ignimgs.com/media/thumb/287/2872900/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111838683_thumb_ign.jpg (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/988/988431/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111838683_640w.jpg)

http://media.ignimgs.com/media/thumb/287/2872899/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111833511_thumb_ign.jpg (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/988/988431/pre-e3-2009-psp-go-confirmed-20090530111833511_640w.jpg)

Then here (http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/item/557/5575234/PSP_top.jpg) it looks like the power button is on the left now.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/988/988431p1.html

Looks a little weird for a Sony product.

[Damaramu]

Ugh. My hands are cramping up just looking at that new PSP.

[Sonicwolf]

Oh dear god no. That PSP is frightening terrible. Ill be sticking with my PlayStation Portable Classic. These people can have their New PSP...

This sounds like New coke... LOL

Wait... What the hell! 1 ANALOG STICK?

BURN!

[The 1 2 P]

Wait... What the hell! 1 ANALOG STICK?

You beat me to it. I was about to ask "is the other analog stick hidden under that sliding screen?" Maybe it's invisible:?

[dendawg]

Well, here is the new PSP.

....And this has what to do, exactly, with PS3 slim rumors? :smash:

[chicnstu]

....And this has what to do, exactly, with PS3 slim rumors? :smash:

I didn't know where to post the pictures, I didn't know about the PSP topic that was just bumped right after I posted the pictures. PS3 redesign, PSP redesign, they seem related enough to me.

And I only create topics in "Buying and Selling" and "Technical and Restoration Society".

[CosmicMonkey]

According to John Koller of SCEA, Sony has had "a certain amount of frustration" with rumors of the slimline PS3. He doesn't flat out deny the existence of the machine either.

I think this basically translates as Sony being a little pissed off that the new machine has been leaked 4 months before it was going to be announced. It's left the company in a difficult position and a lot of potential customers on the fence.

Source: Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/09/sceas-koller-calls-ps3-slim-rumors-frustrating/).

[heybtbm]

Almost confirmed...

http://kotaku.com/5305021/ps3-slim-entering-production-ready-by-july

[Therealqtip]

I don't give a damn if its cheap looking as long as it's 200 dollars cheaper I'm sold.

[The 1 2 P]

I don't give a damn if its cheap looking as long as it's 200 dollars cheaper I'm sold.

It should be cheaper but a price point hasn't been confirmed yet.

[Nionel]

I don't think it'll be $200 cheaper, keep in mind that Sony is partnered with other companies that make blu-ray players, so if they make it too cheap that could hurt those other companies sales and make it more difficult for them to work with said companies in the future. My prediction is that we'll see if for somewhere between $299-$349 in the US, but no less than that, unless Sony makes it so the PS3 slim is unable to play blu-ray movies.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

My prediction is that we'll see if for somewhere between $299-$349 in the US, but no less than that, unless Sony makes it so the PS3 slim is unable to play blu-ray movies.

If this happens, then the new PS3 will be incapable of playing all PS3 games released up until that point- because they're all on Blu-rRay.

[ProgrammingAce]

If this happens, then the new PS3 will be incapable of playing all PS3 games released up until that point- because they're all on Blu-rRay.

Reading data off a blu-ray disc and playing a blu-ray movie are 2 different things. Even so, sony isn't retarded enough to remove that feature.

[Therealqtip]

It should be cheaper but a price point hasn't been confirmed yet.

Ah true, but smaller probably means less to make.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Reading data off a blu-ray disc and playing a blu-ray movie are 2 different things. Even so, sony isn't retarded enough to remove that feature.

I always understood that you can add a layer to Blu-ray that is able to be read by a DVD player, but it has to be specifically designed to do this. I didn't think a DVD drive would be able to read a disc specifically encoded for a Blu-ray machine, because of the density of the information. Unless Sony has been encoding their discs like this from the beginning.

Also when Blu-Ray players are $129 at Wal-Mart, it doesn't seem likely that Sony would engineer a disc drive that would read their Blu-Ray discs that wouldn't also play movies.


From Blu-Ray.com


Blu-ray Disc


Blu-ray, also known as Blu-ray Disc (BD), is the name of a next-generation optical disc format jointly developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of the world's leading consumer electronics, personal computer and media manufacturers (including Apple, Dell, Hitachi, HP, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson). The format was developed to enable recording, rewriting and playback of high-definition video (HD), as well as storing large amounts of data. The format offers more than five times the storage capacity of traditional DVDs and can hold up to 25GB on a single-layer disc and 50GB on a dual-layer disc. This extra capacity combined with the use of advanced video and audio codecs will offer consumers an unprecedented HD experience.

While current optical disc technologies such as DVD, DVD±R, DVD±RW, and DVD-RAM rely on a red laser to read and write data, the new format uses a blue-violet laser instead, hence the name Blu-ray. Despite the different type of lasers used, Blu-ray products can easily be made backwards compatible with CDs and DVDs through the use of a BD/DVD/CD compatible optical pickup unit. The benefit of using a blue-violet laser (405nm) is that it has a shorter wavelength than a red laser (650nm), which makes it possible to focus the laser spot with even greater precision. This allows data to be packed more tightly and stored in less space, so it's possible to fit more data on the disc even though it's the same size as a CD/DVD. This together with the change of numerical aperture to 0.85 is what enables Blu-ray Discs to hold 25GB/50GB. Recent development by Pioneer has pushed the storage capacity to 500GB on a single disc by using 20 layers.

Blu-ray is currently supported by about 200 of the world's leading consumer electronics, personal computer, recording media, video game and music companies. The format also has support from all Hollywood studios and countless smaller studios as a successor to today's DVD format. Many studios have also announced that they will begin releasing new feature films on Blu-ray Disc day-and-date with DVD, as well as a continuous slate of catalog titles every month. For more information about Blu-ray movies, check out our Blu-ray movies and Blu-ray reviews section which offers information about new and upcoming Blu-ray releases, as well as what movies are currently available in the Blu-ray format.

[Sonicwolf]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/100/1009959p1.html

http://www.amazon.de/Sony-PlayStation-3-Konsole-slim/dp/B002JM1GPU/

Interesting... The website has a comment review about the PS3 slim which translates with google translate to this:

"Hello,
I am one of the lucky PS3 Slim Pre allowed.
The New PS3 slim volume is more than 70% smaller and much lighter. It is distributed by Euro plug power.
Here are a few advantages and disadvantages of the PS3 Slim:

Advantages:
Finally, 2 HDMI ports to another device "Durchzuschleifen"

Probably, it will be cheaper than the "thick" version.

-Nurnoch 80 watts power consumption

-All games can be via Remote Play on PSP Go play because of the missing keys is indeed known as the Bluetooth port on the new PSP a Dual Shock connect.

-PS2 backwards compatibility via software. This Sony is hoping that higher sales figures.

- A very nice Feautures for Linux fans: It is a small graphics chip installed with the Linux will be usable. Thus, the graphics are no longer on the Cell emulated. Bring high-Performanche relapses.

Negative:
Hard to replace very expensive, since a 64GB SSD for use with the mini PCI Express slot.
-Unfortunately, the version installed on my mini-fan rasping sound (not sound but stop annoying noise) I hope this is changing.

Conclusion: The PS3 Slim, or how the final product is hoarse is a very mature product, which at last brings the backward compatibility.
Unfortunately, this Sony is not responsible for the thickness PS3s veröffenltichen so they sell more PS3 Slim.
What is very positive, which no functions have been restricted (Blu-Ray movies or license any accessory use)"

[JunkTheMagicDragon]

high-Performanche relapses.
sign me up!

it all seems pretty plausible up until the ssd. why would a company so desperate to drop manufacturing costs go with a storage solution with such a high cost per gig? of course, this is sony we're talking about here.

[FxMercenary]

LOL way to go K-Mart! A few hours until Sony actually makes their Big Announcement, K-Mart updated their Ad ticker with the new PS3 Slim.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/fxmercenary/slim.jpg

http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&partNumber=018W014436760001P&adCell=W2&catalogId=10104 Link to buy PS3 Slim @ Kmart.com

Also, starting tomorrow ALL existing PS3s will be dropped to $299.99. This includes the Uncharted 160GB bundle, which sports a larger HDD than the new 120GB Slim.
*Note: there is confusion on this, some are saying the 80GB will be $299, and the 160GB will be $399.


Available in stores from the first week of September
Same features and function. 120 gb drive 33 percent smaller, 36 percent lighter
It will be $299
That's $299, 299 euros, 29980 yen
That will be the price for the current ps3 starting tomorrow
Release date for slim will vary by region but available everywhere by sept 1st!

*Specs
*Bult-in Wifi + Bluetooth
*Full Blu-Ray Support w/BC DVD/CD
*2 Front USB Ports
*120GB HDD ( can be upgraded )
*Dualshock 3 Wireless Controller
*HDMI Cable Included ( lol they are only $5 bucks now anyway )
*Free Online Gameplay
*The new CPUs are believed to be 45nm, making this the lowest power consuming PS3 to date ( under 100w? )
* Front Right - Slide out bay for HDD Access.

PS3 Firmware update 3.0 http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/18/playstation-3-firmware-v3-00-update/

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/101/1015007/gc-2009-ps3-slim-and-price-drop-announced-20090818112010706.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/101/1015007/gc-2009-ps3-slim-and-price-drop-announced-20090818112015315.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/101/1015007/gc-2009-ps3-slim-and-price-drop-announced-20090818112016471.jpg

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Kaz just announced the real PS3 slim at Gamescom.

PS3 Slim (yes it's real) will be available September 1st.

120 Gig HDD

$299

All PS3s still on shelves will begin retailing for $299 tomorrow 8/19/09.

Okay, there we go.

Slim PS3 hardware, nice size HDD, reasonable and competitive pricing.

No word on PS2 BC, but based on recent patents, there's a chance that it'll be back at some point.

[Oobgarm]

Wow. They should have done this about a year ago, but refreshing to see nonetheless.

[Clownzilla]

They still need to drop the price another $50-$100 for me to buy it. I want one but I still won't pay $300 for yet ANOTHER current gen game system (along with my Wii and Xbox 360). Now if Sony had a lower price point and better software support when I was contemplating purchasing an Xbox 360 Vs. a PS3 then it might of been a different outcome for me.

[unwinddesign]

They still need to drop the price another $50-$100 for me to buy it. I want one but I still won't pay $300 for yet ANOTHER current gen game system (along with my Wii and Xbox 360). Now if Sony had a lower price point and better software support when I was contemplating purchasing an Xbox 360 Vs. a PS3 then it might of been a different outcome for me.
Edit: Somewhat misread your post. Thought you said the software support was weak atm. Yeah, you're right; a year, year and a half ago there wasn't as much to be excited about (that, and a $400 vs. $300 price tag for the PS3/360 respectively).

Exclusives:

Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction/A Crack in Time
Uncharted 1 & 2
Little Big Planet
MGS 4
God of War 3
Infamous
Killzone 2
Resistance 1 & 2
Valkyria Chronicles
Motorstorm 1 & 2
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain (still a way's off, but looks cool)

Plus pretty much any multi-platform game available for 360. So the software's there. The system is just A) too expensive, even at $300 (rumors of a price drop on the 360 abound) and B) the online sucks. Period. I'd rather pay $50 a year for something good then be saddled with an under-featured sack of crap.

The big one, however, is that I will not buy a PS3 without BC. This may be just me, but the PS2 has one of the best (if not the best) software library of all time. There are tons of games I missed that I want to play (MGS3, Yakuza 2, Grandia 3...). I will not buy a PS2 to do so. For $300, the PS3 is worth it if it includes BC. Otherwise no, since I already own a 360 and a Wii.

[Clownzilla]

I think if the PS3 were the only current gen system available then $300 would probably be a good deal. The reality is that the 360 and Wii exist and they are already in the homes of MILLIONS of people. Sony has to realize that this isn't the 80's-90's anymore and they no longer corner the electronics market. Sony no longer can demand these premiums that they have been accustomed to for the last couple of decades.

[Clownzilla]

Edit: Somewhat misread your post. Thought you said the software support was weak atm. Yeah, you're right; a year, year and a half ago there wasn't as much to be excited about (that, and a $400 vs. $300 price tag for the PS3/360 respectively).

Exclusives:

Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction/A Crack in Time
Uncharted 1 & 2
Little Big Planet
MGS 4
God of War 3
Infamous
Killzone 2
Resistance 1 & 2
Valkyria Chronicles
Motorstorm 1 & 2
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain (still a way's off, but looks cool)

Plus pretty much any multi-platform game available for 360. So the software's there. The system is just A) too expensive, even at $300 (rumors of a price drop on the 360 abound) and B) the online sucks. Period. I'd rather pay $50 a year for something good then be saddled with an under-featured sack of crap.

The big one, however, is that I will not buy a PS3 without BC. This may be just me, but the PS2 has one of the best (if not the best) software library of all time. There are tons of games I missed that I want to play (MGS3, Yakuza 2, Grandia 3...). I will not buy a PS2 to do so. For $300, the PS3 is worth it if it includes BC. Otherwise no, since I already own a 360 and a Wii.

I agree, their current software lineup is pretty strong. I guess the upside to waiting for another price drop is not having to pay higher prices for the current hit games:)

[TonyTheTiger]

I think what's interesting is that while each subsequent Xbox 360 has improved (if for no other reason than because the later the revision, the less likely it'll self destruct) each subsequent PS3 has been stripped down. Because of that, as somebody who as of yet doesn't own a PS3, I have to see the actual specs of the Slim in order to determine whether or not it would be better to get this or to seek out a 60 gig model.

[portnoyd]

If they launched at this price, they'd be in such better shape. Too litle, too late... but at least if I want a second PS3, it's not insanely priced for a top end model.

[RCM]

Kaz just announced the real PS3 slim at Gamescom.

No word on PS2 BC, but based on recent patents, there's a chance that it'll be back at some point.

I've known about the PS3 Slim for a little while (as in, real confirmation), but didn't hear anything about PS2 BC (but that doesn't 100% mean it isn't coming). As I've maintained, they're most likely going to sell full PS2 games via PSN.

How is BC an advantage at this stage in the game for Sony? People are buying PS3s for PS3 games and most likely don't care about PS2 and PS. Why would Sony pour resources into developing something that will barely benefit them? PS2 downloads make sense.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I've known about the PS3 Slim for a little while (as in, real confirmation), but didn't hear anything about PS2 BC (but that doesn't 100% mean it isn't coming). As I've maintained, they're most likely going to sell full PS2 games via PSN.

How is BC an advantage at this stage in the game for Sony? People are buying PS3s for PS3 games and most likely don't care about PS2 and PS. Why would Sony pour resources into developing something that will barely benefit them? PS2 downloads make sense.

Yeah.

PS2 BC is pretty irrelevant at this point.

It's a really great feature and nice to have ...

but I'd like to think that it shouldn't make/break a PS3 purchase for the general public, there really is enough software available at brick & mortar and via the PSN to keep most gamers busy/happy on a weekly basis.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I think what's interesting is that while each subsequent Xbox 360 has improved (if for no other reason than because the later the revision, the less likely it'll self destruct) each subsequent PS3 has been stripped down. Because of that, as somebody who as of yet doesn't own a PS3, I have to see the actual specs of the Slim in order to determine whether or not it would be better to get this or to seek out a 60 gig model.

Jack says it's "full featured" in the announce video, so it likely has nothing stripped from the current model units. And you get a Dual Shock 3 standard now which you didn't for the first 1 1/2 - 2 years of the console, so for what little value that adds it's something.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/18/playstation-3-now-299-slimmer-version-coming-september-1st/

[JunkTheMagicDragon]

have you guys seen the pics of this thing? it is one ugly beast. it lacks the ps3's classy piano-black finish (even tho it is a fingerprint magnet), and the proportions aren't too attractive. although it is thinner, it got deeper in the process.

i thought this was gonna be the ps3 slim, not the ps3 flattened.

time to get a phat before they're all gone, i guess.

[kupomogli]

Wow. $100 price drop and people are still bitching.

The price is now down to the amount of the 360 Pro 60GB console. What Microsoft is probably going to do is phase out the 20GB Pro and have only the 60GB Pro at that price point for $250. The PS3 would then be $50 more and still a much better value. As just a gaming system, not even talking about being a Bluray player.

Maybe we should make another price point comparison with only a year of XBL service at the standard rate only against the 360 arcade unit. Maybe Duffmanth will post in this thread soon.


the online sucks. Period. I'd rather pay $50 a year for something good then be saddled with an under-featured sack of crap.

Before you quote some 360 fanboys words, how about owning both systems and using both services frequently. If you're playing a multiconsole game you won't notice the difference no matter what version you're playing.


The big one, however, is that I will not buy a PS3 without BC.

Because you're too cheap to purchase a PS2 doesn't mean Sony should throw BC on there to benefit you alone. When you purchase a new system, you purchase it to play games built for that system.

Did the SNES have backwards compatibility with the NES? Did the N64 have backwards compatibility with the SNES? Most console systems didn't have backwards compatibility and it wasn't a selling point with any of the systems until the PS2 came along. How many people are bitching that the DSi sucks because it's removed GBA compatibility? Not many.

*edit*

Also. I thought the PS3 slim would look like crap with the angles of the pictures shown before. That actually looks pretty good.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

have you guys seen the pics of this thing? it is one ugly beast. it lacks the ps3's classy piano-black finish (even tho it is a fingerprint magnet), and the proportions aren't too attractive. although it is thinner, it got deeper in the process.

i thought this was gonna be the ps3 slim, not the ps3 flattened.

time to get a phat before they're all gone, i guess.

Mmm ... it looks fine to me, I wouldn't call it ugly, though I can't recall the last game system that I really loved the look of.

I'll take slim over tall any day and as sexy as mirror black finish is, it shows dust and fingerprints like a motherfucker. Hooray for matte black.

[BetaWolf47]

Finally a powerful current-gen system that won't hog my gaming surface.

[The 1 2 P]

It's about damn time but we all knew this was coming. I agree that it's an ugly ass system from the front but the back has that cool laptop vibe. Starting next month I think Sony will finally start to move some real units but we won't get official results until the second week of October when NPD releases their results.

I'm very interested to see how the PS3 sells now(all of them) because theres no longer a huge price difference. The 360 Elite is dropping down to $299 later this month(it's already been confirmed with a store's ad) and the 60 gig Pro is being phased out. So the $199 arcade(still the cheapest next gen system) and $299 Elite will do battle with the $250 Wii, $299 120 gig and 80 gig PS3 and the remaining 160 gig $399 PS3. Things are definitely going to get interesting next month.

[HappehLemons]

I might actually pick it up. I really want PS2 BC though.

[Hwj_Chim]

I like the look of the PS3 Slim. Does anyone know if you can still change the hard drive on the slims?

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I like the look of the PS3 Slim. Does anyone know if you can still change the hard drive on the slims?

No idea, but I'm going to fall back on the "full featured" quote from Mr. Tretton again.

Can't imagine why they'd prevent that from being an option, they never sold 1st party brands so they weren't making money off of those anyway. They want people putting 400 gig drives in there and going download crazy on the PSN.

[portnoyd]

When you purchase a new system, you purchase it to play games built for that system.


The PS3 would then be $50 more and still a much better value. As just a gaming system, not even talking about being a Bluray player.

Then don't. I don't see how the PS3 becomes a better value at $50 more, BR player aside.

XBL is better than PSN and I have used both.

Backwards compability is featured on the Wii and the 360. Not having it on the PS3 is definitely a negative.

Gotta say I like the new design. Having pressable power/eject buttons would be a godsend.

[exit]

I like the look of the PS3 Slim. Does anyone know if you can still change the hard drive on the slims?

From what I understand you can still change the HDD, although the 120gigs of space provided should be plenty to live on for a while.


have you guys seen the pics of this thing? it is one ugly beast. it lacks the ps3's classy piano-black finish (even tho it is a fingerprint magnet), and the proportions aren't too attractive. although it is thinner, it got deeper in the process.

Honestly, I really don't think it looks that bad at all, although it would have looked a lot better if they kept the glossy look. I'm happy with my bulky PS3 tho and don't plan on getting rid of it anytime soon, but this should probably help the system sell a lot better now. I'm glad that the slim rumors will finally be put the rest, now they just need to lay the BC rumors to rest.

Is BC really that big of a deal? I have the 80gig model with BC and I've barely played any PS2 games on it. So other than it being a convenient feature at times, I doubt that more than half the people bitching about BC will even play PS2 games on their PS3 anyway.

[heybtbm]

Well, well, well. It's real...

http://kotaku.com/5340260/playstation-3-slim-the-unboxing-the-up+close-examination/gallery/

[Snapple]

Now that the complete PS3 costs less than a Wii+Nunchuk+Motion Plus, are people still going to use the excuse that they can't "afford" a PS3 over a Wii?

[coreys429]

$299....and it still doesn't have backward compatible...No sale. Looks like I'll just go over a friends house to play it. I just can't justify buying one. Even with the announcement of the failure rate of the 360, I rather buy one of those.

[kupomogli]

The man himself speaks. Look at how it looks beside a phat PS3 and look how light it is, he picks it up like nothing.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/08/18/playstation-3-now-299-slimmer-version-coming-september-1st/

[heybtbm]

$299....and it still doesn't have backward compatible...No sale. Looks like I'll just go over a friends house to play it. I just can't justify buying one. Even with the announcement of the failure rate of the 360, I rather buy one of those.

It's coming. Emulated B/C will be better than no B/C at all.

[swlovinist]

Emulated BC should be put on, instead of "Its coming". I remember when Microsoft said that "all Xbox games will be playable on the 360". The $299 system is good for them, but really, is it that hard to put BC on a system? Still good news, at least they are trying.

[PapaStu]

Not as tall or as thick, but it looks to be wider than the 'Phats'. Either way, i've got a Drake's 160GB bundle that i've still yet to play a PS3 game on (Heck, took me 5 months to get it out of the box and hook it up). I'm more worried about the probable push for mass installation of games (Lost Planet, DMC ect) and killing the HD's with 3 or 4 games. They give me BC huzzah, if not i'll gladly use my 2 PS2's to play my games, without any potential problems that the emulation will bring.

[otaku]

its nice but I'm not sure its as sexy as the original. Decent price though for sure with good hdd but they still have one problem....no games....and they still don't have a service to really compete with live

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

... I remember when Microsoft said that "all Xbox games will be playable on the 360" ...

And sadly, they did not speak the truth.

(Glares at copy of Tron 2.0 Killer App)

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

sign me up!

it all seems pretty plausible up until the ssd. why would a company so desperate to drop manufacturing costs go with a storage solution with such a high cost per gig? of course, this is sony we're talking about here.

No SSD drive. Standard serial ATA laptop HDD.

official specs:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/18/sony-debuts-slimmer-ps3/

Solid State Drives are WAY too pricey to be shipping with the all new bargain price slim PS3.

[unwinddesign]

Wow. $100 price drop and people are still bitching.

The price is now down to the amount of the 360 Pro 60GB console. What Microsoft is probably going to do is phase out the 20GB Pro and have only the 60GB Pro at that price point for $250. The PS3 would then be $50 more and still a much better value. As just a gaming system, not even talking about being a Bluray player.



Better value is subjective. Yeah, it comes with built in wi-fi and a bigger hard drive. Yeah, it comes with free online. But, honestly, you get what you pay for. I'm about the farthest thing from a fanboy. It's so ridiculously stupid to hate on a system for no reason or because I can't afford it. But you know what? I can afford a PS3, and there are reasons why I WON'T buy one at this price.

The Wi-Fi is weak. My overpriced USB dongle for 360 may have cost $100 -- another problem in and of itself -- but it works. It works damn well. PS3 wi-fi? Spotty. For that matter, so is the Wii's. Cheaper? Yes. But temperamental. Blu-Ray is a nice bonus until you realize the price of the discs is simply outrageous. I can count the movies I've seen twice on my two hands. I don't need a Blu-Ray player.

A little discussed feature of the 360 is its incredible media extender capabilities. It mops the floor with the PS3 in this regard, and this, imo, is much more useful/valuable than Blu-Ray. Plus, Netflix streaming is sweet. Others' mileage may vary. Thus why value is really in the eye of the beholder, not merely based on the sticker price.



Because you're too cheap to purchase a PS2 doesn't mean Sony should throw BC on there to benefit you alone. When you purchase a new system, you purchase it to play games built for that system.

Sony instilled this expectation in me with their PS2 BC. And then by putting it in the PS3 as well...at least for a bit. The 90s are irrelevant. How many people bitched that the polygons in Star Fox didn't look like real ships? Uh...not many, the game looked amazing in the mid-90s. This may be obvious, but it has definitely escaped your logical reasoning: things change. I want BC because I don't want a million systems running around. I don't have a giant PS2 collection, nor do I plan on amassing one. I want to play a couple games I missed on PS2. So, either I'll wait until I can get a new PS2 for $50, or they put BC back in. I'm fine with my 360 and Wii now.

I have a cable box, 360, a Wii and a receiver. You know what? My TV unit doesn't have room for a PS2. Also, the PS3's upscaling is a big plus...because I have an HDTV. PS2 games that don't support progressive scan look like ass on an HDTV. And you know what else? I don't want to pay $20 for a memory card and another $30 for a Wireless controller, both of which are standard (hd/bluetooth) on the PS3.

I'd love to buy a PS3 slim to play the games I already mentioned above. But Sony's making it hard for those who already own a 360 or Wii (to a lesser extent) to come on over and buy one, since they really haven't added a lot of features since Day 1...only really been removing them.

[Snapple]

Those of you who want backwards compatibility, is space in your entertainment center the issue, or have you guys just not bought PS2s? I hope y'all bought PS2s, because it's been nine years.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

PS3's Wi Fi is SPOTTY?

You don't own a PS3 and you're going to claim that it has spotty Wi Fi ... and that the Wii has superior Wi Fi hardware?

There's a reason that people have purchased the Wii's USB ethernet adapter in droves, and it's not because they want something to fill that extra USB slot when they're not using it to charge their PS3 controllers.

I'm not sure where you're getting that info from or how you can quantify it as a non-owner of a PS3, but I've never owned a single device - game system, laptop, smartphone, anything with a more solid Wi Fi connection than my PS3.

The PSN network can be a bit on the slow side when you're downloading a large game from the PSN Store, but the PS3 has by my estimation - excellent built in Wi Fi.

[BHvrd]

Better value is subjective. Yeah, it comes with built in wi-fi and a bigger hard drive. Yeah, it comes with free online. But, honestly, you get what you pay for and man that's alot for the money

Fixed it for ya :D


The Wi-Fi is weak. My overpriced USB dongle for 360 may have cost $100 -- another problem in and of itself -- but it works. It works damn well. PS3 wi-fi? Spotty. For that matter, so is the Wii's. Cheaper? Yes. But temperamental. Blu-Ray is a nice bonus until you realize the price of the discs is simply outrageous. I can count the movies I've seen twice on my two hands. I don't need a Blu-Ray player.

Wi-Fi is weak? Don't know how you get that, but I guess paying an extra $100 is worth the...lost me here.

I can agree to an extent on the Blu-Ray part, but I love the non-scratch discs and a fantastic HD experience.


A little discussed feature of the 360 is its incredible media extender capabilities. It mops the floor with the PS3 in this regard, and this, imo, is much more useful/valuable than Blu-Ray. Plus, Netflix streaming is sweet. Others' mileage may vary. Thus why value is really in the eye of the beholder, not merely based on the sticker price.

WRONG!

PS3 has media sharing as well and tho it is pretty slow and I haven't compared the 2, that's beside the point. Did you know that PS3's can play DVD-R data discs? It also supports playback of Avi, Mp4, Divx and WMV.......nuff said.




Sony instilled this expectation in me with their PS2 BC. And then by putting it in the PS3 as well...at least for a bit. The 90s are irrelevant. How many people bitched that the polygons in Star Fox didn't look like real ships? Uh...not many, the game looked amazing in the mid-90s. This may be obvious, but it has definitely escaped your logical reasoning: things change. I want BC because I don't want a million systems running around. I don't have a giant PS2 collection, nor do I plan on amassing one. I want to play a couple games I missed on PS2. So, either I'll wait until I can get a new PS2 for $50, or they put BC back in. I'm fine with my 360 and Wii now.

I have a cable box, 360, a Wii and a receiver. You know what? My TV unit doesn't have room for a PS2. Also, the PS3's upscaling is a big plus...because I have an HDTV. PS2 games that don't support progressive scan look like ass on an HDTV. And you know what else? I don't want to pay $20 for a memory card and another $30 for a Wireless controller, both of which are standard (hd/bluetooth) on the PS3.

I'd love to buy a PS3 slim to play the games I already mentioned above. But Sony's making it hard for those who already own a 360 or Wii (to a lesser extent) to come on over and buy one, since they really haven't added a lot of features since Day 1...only really been removing them.


By chance do you know The Sizzler?

[Icarus Moonsight]

Looks like I'm back into Sony again... Fuck, it took them long enough to join the real world. I'm still want competent BC though. Not because I was too cheap to buy a PS2, I bought three, but for the assurance of back-up redundancy. I was going to drop a hundred on a back-up PS2 slim soon anyway (making it 4 total, 2 died, w/ 2 on hand). Might as well throw out a bit more and get a PS3 slim instead if it does most PS2 soft.

I have to hand it to them, they have done more to address my concerns with the slim PS3 than MS has done with the 360 thus far. Barring any massive errors in the slim design, of course. Most likely, I'll pick one up after the holidays are over or whenever I can find one after that. It's possible Sony is going to make a huge rally if nothing changes soon. I see it as a fairly aggressive market move, and I love it. I want to give a window so it can prove itself and to see what MS has to say about it. Fight for my monies! LOL

[Tron 2.0]

The PS3 slim doesn't look that bad to me but it's too late for me so i guess a lol.I was waiting on that price drop for the current models,but afther a while i gave up.Just recently i completed a deal with a member at neo-geo.com for a used 60GB PS3.So right now i'm waiting for it too arrive in the mail.Oh btw "i see a few people in here" have complained the price drop for current model isn't enough wtf !? It doesn't seem that bad to me given what you get with the console all ready.Plus it's library of games have been picking up as of late.Not to mention there are titles now that have been released under the greatest hits label.Though the most recent one to added to it is uncharted.

[garagesaleking!!]

its still a sony, and

Its just a little too late, a little too wrong, and i cant waiiit, you know all the right things to say, you knooow its just too little too laaaate. Ohhhua!

[swlovinist]

I did a long rant, and my great awsome computer lost it. So I will retype the short version.

Two big features that people wanted with the PS3

$299 price point
Backwards Compatibility

BC is something that help the PS2. People like that feature in systems. Whether or not it will be used. It is a selling feature. It does not have to be perfect, it just has to be present. Also both competators have it in some form or other.

Sony to not announce it in the new PS3 slim is a mistake. People want that, check the forums out on other sites. There are several folks that are just waiting to trade in the PS2 and get the PS3 with the feature.

[IronBuddha]

I still won't buy it unless it's BC. If I want to play PS2 games then I have to keep both systems around just to do this. I know this might seem like a little stupid thing to rag about, but when you also have a cable box, a PS2, a 360, and surround sound hooked up at once you begin to lose space and things begin to look ugly and cluttered. I'm also not sold about downloading games either. PS2 games are beginning to become extremely cheap, why would I download a file if I can have a physical copy............ only because the PS3 isn't BC! I feel like it's a business scam.

I just don't like blatantly being dicked around by a company just so they can to make money. Not to get off topic but even with the 360 I don't purchase any downloads just because how fucked up their point system is.

[The 1 2 P]

I can agree to an extent on the Blu-Ray part, but I love the non-scratch discs

Blu-ray disc don't get scratched?


I want to give a window so it can prove itself and to see what MS has to say about it. Fight for my monies! LOL


Microsoft is dropping the price of the Elite to $299 (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/report-xbox-360-elite-price-drop-coming-end-of-august/) at the end of this month and are phasing out the 60 gig Pro. Did you think they were just going to let Sony gain momentum and market share without any rebuttal?

Back on topic, as a 360 and Wii owner I think that this new slim PS3 is a very good value, regardless of PS2 BC(mainly because I still have my PS2 slim). There still aren't as many games that I want for it(especially this holiday season) but Sony has come along way from the mistakes they have made since launch. And as I stated in my last post, things are about to get real interesting for all three systems this holiday season. The 360 has the cheapest system by $50 and the Elite and PS3 slim are only $50 more than the Wii. Nobody can make anymore excuses about why which system sells better--the playing field has finally been leveled.

[Ed Oscuro]

[short list of exclusives]
wtf is this I don't even

DEMON'S SOULS, MAN!

From Software!

Basically half the reason I'd want to get a PS3 right there.

[DeputyMoniker]

The big one, however, is that I will not buy a PS3 without BC. This may be just me, but the PS2 has one of the best (if not the best) software library of all time. There are tons of games I missed that I want to play (MGS3, Yakuza 2, Grandia 3...). I will not buy a PS2 to do so. For $300, the PS3 is worth it if it includes BC. Otherwise no, since I already own a 360 and a Wii.

My 360 and Wii don't play PS2 games and that didn't stop me from buying them. Seems like "principle" ruins the experience for a lot of people. I hope you're enjoying life on lonely island. I don't mean to be confrontational but that's just a really intolerant attitude to have.

[Ed Oscuro]

Well, at least you're not cheering on the day when PS2-compatible machines are no longer made because you think it'll make collecting cheaper...hopefully we all know how that one goes...and for a notoriously unreliable disc-based system to boot...

[Oobgarm]

I still find the claims about lack of games to be laughable.

MLB 09: The Show
Valkyria Chronicles
Metal Gear Solid 4
Killzone 2
Little Big Planet
InFamous
Ratchet & Clank
Uncharted

Those alone should fit just about anyone, really.

(plus all the cross platform titles)

[Ed Oscuro]

Those alone should fit just about anyone, really.
DEMON'S SOULS, MAN! :P

[Lothars]

its still a sony, and

Its just a little too late, a little too wrong, and i cant waiiit, you know all the right things to say, you knooow its just too little too laaaate. Ohhhua!

Well I don't think it's a little to late especially if this generation lasts for another 3 years or so, it's not a bad time for them to drop it.

It should have been dropped sooner but it's definitley not to late

To Unwinddesign.

I think your totally wrong the PS3 media capabilities with streaming other than Netflix is as good if not better than the 360's in every comparable way.

also the wifi on the PS3 is just as good as the 360 wireless adapter.

I don't know why your saying it's not but you are incorrect.

[CelticJobber]

Blu-ray disc don't get scratched?


No, or atleast they're very hard to scratch. I've dropped PS3 discs on the floor, they've hit my entertainment center pretty hard and still didn't have a scratch. And even rental copies are usually just heavily finger-smudged at worst.

[heybtbm]

Those of you who want backwards compatibility, is space in your entertainment center the issue, or have you guys just not bought PS2s? I hope y'all bought PS2s, because it's been nine years.

The PS1/PS2 memory card archiving feature on the PS3's XMB is phenomenal. It was worth the extra $300 "price of admission" IMO. I have plenty of space for a PS1 and PS2. It's just the convenience of having all three machines in one that's a nice thing to have. When my old 60 gig finally bites the dust, it'll be a sad day.

[GrandAmChandler]

I've merged both PS3 Slim threads into one PS3 Phatty thread.

Also, it's for preorder already on Amazon.com. (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002I0J4VQ/?tag=retrcom-20)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41%2B7ijf43jL._AA280_.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31w4WFb5XzL._AA280_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002I0J4VQ/?tag=retrcom-20)

[Gentlegamer]

Looks like a good deal and move by Sony. Price is still to high for me since I already went Xbox 360, but I'll keep my eye out for deals as time goes on. It will also have to wait in line behind Wii, since I'm waiting for Black Wii to hit the states.

I think the redesign looks pretty attractive, except for one nitpick: the PlayStation brand logo is no longer colored (or movable).

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Food for thought.

A sharp drop in the new price of PS3s will cause a subsequent drop in the price of used units.

With the general above-average quality of PS3 hardware (not as prone to failure as other current gen systems or previous gen Sony hardware) people interested in getting in on PS3 usage have an even lower financial hurdle to cross now if they go used, and with the solid hardware of the PS3 they can do it with greater peace of mind.

[exit]

The Wi-Fi is weak.

I don't mean to be an echo, where exactly do you get this information from? I can get a relatively low signal in my room and the PS3 can usually pick it up perfectly, plus setting it up the wireless on my PS3 was easier than setting it up on my PC.


A little discussed feature of the 360 is its incredible media extender capabilities. It mops the floor with the PS3 in this regard, and this, imo, is much more useful/valuable than Blu-Ray. Plus, Netflix streaming is sweet. Others' mileage may vary. Thus why value is really in the eye of the beholder, not merely based on the sticker price.

My PS3 would like to have a word with you on this. The PS3 has been able to play media files for the longest, I can just simply download an episode of a show that I missed, load it up on a USB and pop it right in my PS3 for viewing. The support for what type of media it can play gets better almost every update, so problems playing a file have been becoming less and less as the time goes on. I could honestly care less about netflix, the whole streaming thing doesn't really bold well with me since my past experiences have usually been chaotic.


....since they really haven't added a lot of features since Day 1...only really been removing them.

Again do a little research will help you realize a lot has been added within the past year, let alone since it's launch. I was originally going to get a 360 before my PS3 almost 2 years ago and I researched the hell out of the PS3 before I decided to get one. Of course then it was a pretty hefty purchase, if I had waited until now it probably wouldn't have required as much and I would have been able to make the decision a lot quicker.

[kaedesdisciple]

Food for thought.

A sharp drop in the new price of PS3s will cause a subsequent drop in the price of used units.

With the general above-average quality of PS3 hardware (not as prone to failure as other current gen systems or previous gen Sony hardware) people interested in getting in on PS3 usage have an even lower financial hurdle to cross now if they go used, and with the solid hardware of the PS3 they can do it with greater peace of mind.

The only exception I can see with this price-wise is the sale of 60GB units, because of the hardware based BC. Sellers who know what they have are already charging more because they know it's not available in other versions, this may simply fuel their fire.

Once again, no BC = no sale for me. I have a 360 to play newer games/watch Netflix, I have a PS2 to play my PS2 games (which I was hoping to replace) and I have a blu-ray player for my DVD/HD movie fix.

Say whatever you want, the PS3 at this point has no place in my life. This will probably be the console that I pick up much later in the generation.

[guitargary75]

It looks fake! If it is real it looks like shit!

[Oobgarm]

Don't worry, it's not.

[Muscelli]

Looks great. I can't wait to buy one.

[garagesaleking!!]

Little Big Dic*, that can carry a system alright, o jeez, and dont you dare even forgot about mlb 09, its a legendary game.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

The only exception I can see with this price-wise is the sale of 60GB units, because of the hardware based BC. Sellers who know what they have are already charging more because they know it's not available in other versions, this may simply fuel their fire.

Once again, no BC = no sale for me. I have a 360 to play newer games/watch Netflix, I have a PS2 to play my PS2 games (which I was hoping to replace) and I have a blu-ray player for my DVD/HD movie fix.

Say whatever you want, the PS3 at this point has no place in my life. This will probably be the console that I pick up much later in the generation.

Yes, Absolutely on the BC front, until Sony decides how they're going to re-integrate that into the hardware the 60GB hardware BC units and 80GB software BC units will likely remain pricey.

I fully understand the desire to have a BC unit and it's still a very legit gripe for a segment of the gaming community ... but they didn't devise and patent a new method of software BC for nothing. It'll likely rear it's head sometime in the future be it pay to download PS2 titles or re-integration into the firmware for all models that lack it.

But as far as their critics go, over the past few years IMO Sony has met each criticism head on, yes in a slow fashion ... but considering the mess that the "old guard" of Kutaragi and Co. left them at out of the starting gate, I think that Jack and Kaz (and Harrison prior to leaving) have done everything that they could to repair damage and wipe some egg off their face.


Too expensive out of the gate - stripped features and got the price down likely at a loss to them for a considerable time.

Limited XMB features/online store - rapidly improved firmware updates to get both the OS and the store up to a very respectable state. Still no cross-game chat, but free online service in general and extras like Trophy support and Home in some small way counter than sore spot (for some) in the meantime.

No rumble - smoothed things out with Immersion and now DS3 is standard and packed in.

Too expensive in general - $100 price drop to normalize the marketplace.

Are they still ultimately to blame for their mistakes? Sure. We've all be vocal about what we want ... but sometimes companies need to be bold, throw shit to the wall and see what sticks.


There's no doubt that Sony has seen what stuck and for the remainder of this gen and moving into the next I think we'll see more conservative decisions partnered with the occasional bold move/experiment (PSP Go).

[eskobar]

I have received an email from Amazon announcing the pre-order for the "PLAYSTATION 3 120 GB - SMALLER AND LIGHTER" for $ 299 usd and any doubt i had about the legitimacy of the PS3 slim has gone.

The console looks good, in its time, the PS2 design and the Slim redesign looked better than this PS3 Slim, but the price is what Sony needed to bring the PS3 to other markets.

Even if the Wii brought many "casual" gamers and created a new market segment, those people can migrate to PS3 at this price. The Wii is failing to deliver good gaming experiences to those new consumers that demand higher quality games and they can find it on the PS3.

I had a few PS3 but i have bought them just for one or two games and then i re-sold the console .... now, with a better library and the new price; i will purchase the system again and this time i will keep it; backwards compatibility is not a issue for me.

[Swamperon]

See, I can see why people don't see need for BC, but as I've never owned a PS2, BC would probably push me into buying a PS3. At £250, with free online, blu-ray player included, PS2/PS1 BC and the other extras, it'd be hard to say no.

[alexkidd2000]

The PS1/PS2 memory card archiving feature on the PS3's XMB is phenomenal. It was worth the extra $300 "price of admission" IMO. I have plenty of space for a PS1 and PS2. It's just the convenience of having all three machines in one that's a nice thing to have. When my old 60 gig finally bites the dust, it'll be a sad day.

I think this is the biggest thing. I have a PS2 and PS1 but I just dont want to have to bother with them. Having my 60gb PS3 with bc is the best mostly because everything is in one system and I get to use wireless controllers. I no longer have to worry about the kids running in front of me ripping the system to the ground or the dog chewing on the cables or the messiness of having cables everywhere.

Its not the end of the world not having bc, I would still own a PS3 happily without it. Sony should offer some sort of bc option. Perhaps a special mail order only version of slim that costs $50 to $100 more that has the chips to play PS2.

[alexkidd2000]

Quote:
A little discussed feature of the 360 is its incredible media extender capabilities. It mops the floor with the PS3 in this regard, and this, imo, is much more useful/valuable than Blu-Ray. Plus, Netflix streaming is sweet. Others' mileage may vary. Thus why value is really in the eye of the beholder, not merely based on the sticker price.

This is more BS then I can take. I have a PS3 and 360 and the media center capabilities on the PS3 KILL the 360s. For one you can play blu ray which offers great quality but with a simple app on your PC called Tversity the PS3 becomes a much slicker and user friendly media center. I can stream ANYTHING to the PS3 and the picture, options (like ff rewind etc) and speed kills what the 360 offers!

[The 1 2 P]

No, or atleast they're very hard to scratch. I've dropped PS3 discs on the floor, they've hit my entertainment center pretty hard and still didn't have a scratch. And even rental copies are usually just heavily finger-smudged at worst.

I find that very interesting. All my disc are in excellent condition(PS1, 360, dvds, cds, etc.) but I've had to be very gentle with them. Being able to fondle(for lack of a better word) my disc alittle more would definitely be an advantage for blu-rays.

[megasdkirby]

Sears lowered the price on the 80GB PS3 today. I was REALLY tempted to get one, but I noticed that the slim will come with a 120GB HDD.

But I am scared that cooling may be detrimental on the slim, as with what happened to the PS2 Slim.

Should I wait for the slim, or just get the phat PS3? I would love the 80GB model, but it's HUGE! But then again, the slim is very wide (inwards).

HDD is not a concern, since I can simply replace it. But cooling is. I read that it will have a new CPU variation (something a la 45nm?) so would this be helpful?

Thanks guys.

[Kid Ice]

Should I wait for the slim, or just get the phat PS3? I would love the 80GB model, but it's HUGE! But then again, the slim is very wide (inwards).

We already know the phat is reliable. If I didn't already have one already I would by one. However, I'm not big on the "slim" thing in general....it just sits there on my desk, doesn't matter so much what size it is.

[megasdkirby]

A friend just told me that the phat had disc/laser issues. What are they, exactly?

I am heading towards the phat, because I also found out Linux cannot be installed on the Slim, because the firmware option is gone.

But my main concern is stability and functions...what thinsg were eliminated from the phat?

[BHvrd]

I find that very interesting. All my disc are in excellent condition(PS1, 360, dvds, cds, etc.) but I've had to be very gentle with them. Being able to fondle(for lack of a better word) my disc alittle more would definitely be an advantage for blu-rays.

You can do more than that, if there are fingerprints or what not and you want to clean it off you can "scrub" the disc on your blue jeans and you won't get a scratch.

Makes buying used games a no brainer.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

A friend just told me that the phat had disc/laser issues. What are they, exactly?

I am heading towards the phat, because I also found out Linux cannot be installed on the Slim, because the firmware option is gone.

But my main concern is stability and functions...what thinsg were eliminated from the phat?

Never heard of any disc/laser issues that were so widespread that they became "issues" like PS1 overheating/PS2 Blue CD disc read errors.

Probably just nominal drive or laser hardware failures.

[megasdkirby]

Does anyone think the slim will have heating issues?

I'm still undecided...man I want one... :(

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Does anyone think the slim will have heating issues?

I'm still undecided...man I want one... :(

I think we'll have to see how they perform in the wild (in the best and worst user conditions) for at least a few months until we really know how they perform.

Like all modern consoles, keeping them dust free (vacuuming the vents on a regular basis) and keeping them in a well ventilated area (not inside a closed front/back entertainment center) is a major key to optimal performance.

With the slims reportedly consuming less power they should throw less heat, but again, unless anybody here works for Sony's R&D department I don't think you'll find any answer to that question at the moment.

[alxbly]

I find that very interesting. All my disc are in excellent condition(PS1, 360, dvds, cds, etc.) but I've had to be very gentle with them. Being able to fondle(for lack of a better word) my disc alittle more would definitely be an advantage for blu-rays.

I love the blu-ray discs scratch resistant coating, mainly because I'm totally anal about buying games that are in good condition. I've seen a lot of used games that I'd like but won't buy because the disc is in poor condition. This really isn't a problem with blu ray, it makes buying used games easier cos you have a much better chance of getting one that isn't scratched up.

Seems like most of the changes on the PS3 slim are for the better. Except... well, I know Sony want to reinforce the fact that it's cheap... and I guess those looks certainly help! :( Tacky.

Anyone want to bet on a shiny version being released in a few months for a slightly higher price (silver PS2 style)?

[megasdkirby]

Looks don't have an effect on me, thanksfully.

I've decided on the slim :D

Can't wait for September 1st...I will finally have a PS3!

Now to find cheap games...anyone has a Silent Hill Homecomming for $15? LOL

:)

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Looks don't have an effect on me, thanksfully.

I've decided on the slim :D

Can't wait for September 1st...I will finally have a PS3!

Now to find cheap games...anyone has a Silent Hill Homecomming for $15? LOL

:)

No, but Gamefly has some great prices, decent shipping and the case/manual you get with the games are always brand spanking new (becasue those sit in their warehouse while the games ship out disc-only for rentals).

And no, you don't have to sign up for the rental service to buy games in the store.

http://www.gamefly.com/StoreMediaTitleSearch/Browse/?pf=1080&cat=SeeAll

[megasdkirby]

I could not hold it...I caved in...

Got a 80GB PS3 :):):)

Terrinle day at work, almost to the verge of crying, but this made my day.

$300, but at least I know it will make me happy today. :)

[Sonicwolf]

I dislike my regular PS3 now...

[kupomogli]

I dislike my regular PS3 now...

I like mine. I do like how the slim looks though.

[Sonicwolf]

I like mine. I do like how the slim looks though.

I have had mine for a year and used it less than an hour for games. LOL
Poor PS3 is being unappreciated in my house.

[Rickstilwell1]

I know I'll get the PS3 Slim even though I already have a 60GB. It is enough of a change in design to warrant my purchase as a console unit collector. All Xbox 360s have the same shape and size with just different external colors or internal parts. So I'm not really interested in other models than the Elite I have.

Not a bad price either. I would like to see more friends get the system so we can lend each other games for it.

The PS3 slim will serve as a good backup system for my large one as well. And the PS3 slim should even fit in one of my laptop bags. That will make it more portable and I could take it with me to friend's houses without a hassle. I don't have a Dualshock 3 yet so this is where I can get one for free and finally have 2 PS3 controllers for multiplayer games.

Just plenty of reasons for me to buy it sometime I guess.

I'm liking Disgaea 3 which I just got. I don't know why anyone hasn't mentioned it as one of the good PS3 games yet. It's not on the 360 too is it?

Maybe if the slim increases PS3 sales in Japan, maybe even Atlus would move on from PS2 and get to the PS3. Then the RPG niche out here for Playstation fans could be satisfied by something other than a handheld or last gen console.

[The 1 2 P]

For those that were curious, BC in the PS3 is NOT (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sony-backwards-compatibility-in-ps3-not-coming-back/) coming back....ever.

[exit]

For those that were curious, BC in the PS3 is NOT (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sony-backwards-compatibility-in-ps3-not-coming-back/) coming back....ever.

I would believe this if they also didn't deny (http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-denies-plans-of-redesigning-the-PS3/pg/49/aid/131278) the existence of the slim PS3. Like others have said, it might not be backwards compatibility per se, but there might be PS2 games released on the PSN that are playable on all models of the PS3. I honestly won't mind this, I've been aching to play Siren 2 and this may be the only way for it to be released state side.

[The 1 2 P]

Yeah but the first six pages of this thread are filled with potential PS3's owners other two options: keep/get a PS2 slim(it takes up very little room) or get a cheap used 60 or 80 gig PS3 with BC still installed. And I don't think they will start releasing PS2 games on PSN until they discontinue the PS2.

[Leo_A]

Why would they wait until they discontinue the PS2? Doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

If they want to sell PS2 games, they'd want to sell them when the platform still has some commercial viability and matters to potential PS3 owners. It's not like its going to affect PS2 console purchases if they'd set up some Xbox Originals like service, since the occasional PS2 release isn't going to do anything when it comes to influencing someone from buying a $100 console or one that is 3-4 times that much.

Most it would do is make games like the upcoming Motorstorm title available to PS3 owners who have left the PS2 behind but might be interested in picking up the occasional game that they're missing out on, and perhaps see some downloads sold to PS3 owners who still have and play their PS2's rather then hunting down used copies that don't make any money for Sony.

I don't see such a potential service as cannibalizing PS2 console or game sales at all, but rather, making those games available to a different audience that otherwise would probably not even be considering purchasing something like Motorstorm: Arctic Edge.

PS2 compatibility matters less everyday, if it hasn't happened yet, I highly doubt we will ever see a software based solution for PS2 compatibility happening.

[Gentlegamer]

PS2 BC added to PS3 slim

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d173/Gentlegamer/compare15.jpg

[kaedesdisciple]

Honestly, I wouldn't have cared so much about BC on the PS3 if they had just made a clean break from the word go and said, "no we're not doing BC in the PS3, period." To have it there and take it away, for me, is far worse than never having it at all.

[megasdkirby]

PS2 BC added to PS3 slim

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d173/Gentlegamer/compare15.jpg

Seeing that picture...

1) LOL

2)Wow, the PS2 slim IS slim! The PS3 Slim is...phat? :o

3)For me, the PS3 Slim reminds me of the Genesis 2. Maybe in a few more years, it will shrink even further, like the Genesis 3. The PS3 Super Slim? LOL

[kupomogli]

For those that were curious, BC in the PS3 is NOT (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sony-backwards-compatibility-in-ps3-not-coming-back/) coming back....ever.

This was actually officially announced the other day.

What Sony should have done instead of just outright pulling the BC. Released some info that all BC would have been removed on the new releases of PS3 after the 80GB. This way those that wanted the BC would have ran out and got a PS3.

Other than that. Sony is probably seeing how profitable the XBOX Originals are like others said. People who have PS2 games have a PS2, so why bother adding backwards compatibility over making more money. We'll go back to the DSi once more. It originally had BC with GBA, but it doesn't now. What's the difference other than the fact that the DS is selling much more than the PS3. None. People just want a reason to bitch.

[JunkTheMagicDragon]

2)Wow, the PS2 slim IS slim! The PS3 Slim is...phat? :o

surprising, eh? the slim triple is about 33% smaller than the phat according to sony, or about 10-15% smaller than the 360 by volume. by contrast, when sony made the pstwo, it reduced the ps2's volume by about 75% (granted, a lot of that came from the aborted hd bay).

source (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/30/the-revised-next-gen-console-size-comparisons/)

[Gentlegamer]

Seeing that picture...

1) LOL

2)Wow, the PS2 slim IS slim! The PS3 Slim is...phat? :o

3)For me, the PS3 Slim reminds me of the Genesis 2. Maybe in a few more years, it will shrink even further, like the Genesis 3. The PS3 Super Slim? LOLHere's the site the photo is from, comparing the PS3 slim to many other consoles http://the-magicbox.com/0908/game090819b.shtml

It has the same footprint as the Xbox.

[Gentlegamer]

surprising, eh? the slim triple is about 33% smaller than the phat according to sony, or about 10-15% smaller than the 360 by volume. by contrast, when sony made the pstwo, it reduced the ps2's volume by about 75% (granted, a lot of that came from the aborted hd bay).

source (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/30/the-revised-next-gen-console-size-comparisons/)
The latest PS2 slim model even has the AC adapter internal instead of laptop style. Sony really does good work "miniaturizing."

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

It's slim in terms of it's height footprint.

It's wide if you're measuring across from corner to corner.

Personally I'd rather have a lower height footprint in the event that I need to stack the console on top of another bit of hardware, and the vertical footprint is much better with this design.

Also I think this PS3 looks to be a bit more "transport friendly".

I've lugged around my 60 Gig unit and man is that thing a giant, heavy beast with no good way to "grip" when lifting out of a carry case.

[megasdkirby]

The Slim kinda does resemble the size of the original Xbox. This is a good thing, because I had to place mine on the same space the original Xbox was, and it's much heavier, causing the glass shelf to bend a bit, which worries me.

I need to find a sturdier location to put it.

[Tron 2.0]

Looks great for any body that wants one just for gaming and is not worry,about having all the features that the original models do.Though i'm not getting one now i finally got me a used (60GB PS3) and it has every thing i want plus it being bc helps too.Still if the PS3 Slim drops in price later on i just get one just for backup use.

[megasdkirby]

I am now LIVID.

Sears will be having a special tomorrow...Playstation 80GB for $250!!!

I don't know if it's a PR special only, but this got me ever so mad.

I hope they will give me back part of my money, but since I used my associate discount, some say I am unable to.

ARGH!

[Overbite]

I actually went and preordered the slim. I'm finally getting a triple because the price is right and there are some games I want for it.

Also blu ray movies.

[megasdkirby]

Holy!!!

Sears DID lower the PS3 80GB (stock 96011) to $249.99!!!

I still don't know if this is a PR only thing, though.

Got my partial money back...and with discount, came out to $240!!!

Can anyone verify wether this "special" is a PR thing, or nationwide?

[j_factor]

I just learned of an incredibly useful new function that the PS3 slim has over the standard model. I'm not sure why Sony hasn't publicized this. It's probably the best use of the system. In fact they should probably change the name to reflect this.

http://bayimg.com/image/gadhnaach.jpg

That's right, the Sony Dreamcast stand, coming soon to a retailer near you! Just $299!

[MarioMania]

Does the Slim have anykind of BC like PS2 emulatin in it...

if not , no sale for me

[BHvrd]

I just learned of an incredibly useful new function that the PS3 slim has over the standard model. I'm not sure why Sony hasn't publicized this. It's probably the best use of the system. In fact they should probably change the name to reflect this.

http://bayimg.com/image/gadhnaach.jpg

That's right, the Sony Dreamcast stand, coming soon to a retailer near you! Just $299!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/RxyCphGOlvI/AAAAAAAAJ9c/U9_Qgy9noLQ/s400/funny_celeb_moments_014.jpg

[The 1 2 P]

Does the Slim have anykind of BC like PS2 emulatin in it...

Nope. Sony has officially stopped utilizing BC in all future PS3 models, including the slim.

[Lostdwarf]

i dont have time to read through all the posts but my Best Buy where I work already has the new PS3 slim for sale.

mike

[Oobgarm]

Was just gonna post the same. They came in on yesterday's truck and we were told to sell immediately.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Does the Slim have anykind of BC like PS2 emulatin in it...

if not , no sale for me

If the question is "does the slim have ANY BC in it?", the correct answer is - yes.

ALL PS3's (including the slim) have Playstation 1 backwards compatibility in them.

[Overbite]

I know there's no planned PS2 BC ever, but theres an option in the system menu to create a virtual ps2 memory card. Teases me :(

[The 1 2 P]

My Besy Buy also had these out on the sales floor today. Whats more, all Best Buy's are running a special dea (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/best-buy-offering-games-price-match-for-ps3-trade-ins/)l for consumers who have brought a regular PS3 in the last 30 days. The catch? Best Buy won't advertise this deal. Sneaky:evil:

[guitargary75]

Will the PS3 slim still have BC with PS1 games?

[guitargary75]

I just read back a little and saw that Frankie says Yes. Sorry about that.

[Oobgarm]

My Besy Buy also had these out on the sales floor today. Whats more, all Best Buy's are running a special dea (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/best-buy-offering-games-price-match-for-ps3-trade-ins/)l for consumers who have brought a regular PS3 in the last 30 days. The catch? Best Buy won't advertise this deal. Sneaky:evil:

That's 'cause it's not actually a "deal", it's mainly a means to dissuade customers from returning their existing systems.

[GrandAmChandler]

Oobs right. It's not a "deal" per se. It's just a note for associates "If anyone bitches, give'em a game."

[heybtbm]

I picked up a slim yesterday at TRU. We had been thinking about buying the newest Sony Blu-Ray player which has a wi-fi feature for our living room upstairs. That model is going for about $280 right now. Since the slim has the same wi-fi feature and lets you play PS3 games, it was the obvious choice. Pretty good timing.

[MarioMania]

Just try to play a PS2 Game anyone


I know there's no planned PS2 BC ever, but theres an option in the system menu to create a virtual ps2 memory card. Teases me :(

[chicnstu]

Just try to play a PS2 Game anyone

I just put in Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal and it said:

"This version of the PS3 system is not compatible with Playstation 2 format software."

Why is the PS2 memory card option there? Is it for the people that own BC systems?

[Icarus Moonsight]

My theory is they will release an emulator through PSN or include it in a system update when the PS2 is no longer sold in stores and then comes the PS2 classics pay downloads. Hell, they may even charge for the emulator dl.

I saw someone trade in a 60gig towards a slim PS3 the other day... Made me wonder why.

[Sonicwolf]

Why is the PS2 memory card option there? Is it for the people that own BC systems?

Its most likely there so if they do decide to make PS2 backwards compatability availiable again, they have less work to do.

[Ed Oscuro]

It dawned on me that, according to the days of old, we're due for the next system. Maybe, after how this gen turned out, they're being more cautious or even thinking about keeping the systems (360 and PS3) going a few more years. But oftentimes a redesign has shortly preceded another system.

[j_factor]

I just put in Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal and it said:

"This version of the PS3 system is not compatible with Playstation 2 format software."

Why is the PS2 memory card option there? Is it for the people that own BC systems?

Didn't they make a small number of PS2 games compatible with all PS3 consoles? Like the Singstar games or Buzz Mega Quiz or something?

[PapaStu]

Didn't they make a small number of PS2 games compatible with all PS3 consoles? Like the Singstar games or Buzz Mega Quiz or something?

Nope. Cant make the system only 6 game PS2 compatable. Besides, there is a Buzz Mega (or two) and a few SingStars PS3 out there already.

The only way there will be any new PS2 compatibility is if they do something on the PSN store. But any kind of put the disc in the system and play it on hardware/software emu is gone for good.

[kupomogli]

Why is the PS2 memory card option there? Is it for the people that own BC systems?

Or they're leaving the option on there for when customers can start buying PS2 games from the PSN. Same with the PSX games which are also saved to the PSX card.

[Sega_Naomi]

don'T buy this junk my friend had bought one


the older ps3 is a TANK compared to this pile of plastic crap

get your hands on older 80 gigs while they last!

[kupomogli]

don'T buy this junk my friend had bought one


the older ps3 is a TANK compared to this pile of plastic crap

get your hands on older 80 gigs while they last!

Obviously. They made it to be cheaper, smaller, and more light.

[Sonicwolf]

the older *insert anything that is redesigned* is a TANK compared to this pile of plastic crap

FTFY

People always bitch when things are redesigned. A fear of change.

[Overbite]

don'T buy this junk my friend had bought one


the older ps3 is a TANK compared to this pile of plastic crap

get your hands on older 80 gigs while they last!

the slim feels more solid than the original ps2

[ScourDX]

I already saw it on sale today at Bestbuy. I guess they don't care about September release.

[exit]

I already saw it on sale today at Bestbuy. I guess they don't care about September release.

From what I understand, the Slim didn't have a solid street date release. Sony probably told them that they can sell it whenever they receive the shipment.

[Xexyz]

The system still looks pretty impressive to me. I forgot the website, but there's one that does a tear down on all things electronic, and the insides showed Sony didn't cheap out on the components. You should see the high end PC fan they stuck in the damn thing! I'll edit with a link if I can find it.

Link: http://www.rapidrepair.com/guides/playstation-3-slim-ps3-repair/playstation-3-slim-ps3-repair-guide.html

[j_factor]

Nope. Cant make the system only 6 game PS2 compatable. Besides, there is a Buzz Mega (or two) and a few SingStars PS3 out there already.

The only way there will be any new PS2 compatibility is if they do something on the PSN store. But any kind of put the disc in the system and play it on hardware/software emu is gone for good.

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/singstar-gets-backwards-compatible/684/

[MarioMania]

Does the 80 Gig has a PS2 emulater on it..

[kupomogli]

Some 80GB are, some aren't. I'd go for 60GB if you wanted to be entirely sure.

*edit*

This has been mentioned exactly 432 times in the last three pages of the thread.

[MarioMania]

Mosty my Street Fighter Games, Sly Series & the Ratchet & Clank Games

[Leo_A]

Or they're leaving the option on there for when customers can start buying PS2 games from the PSN. Same with the PSX games which are also saved to the PSX card.

There was no point disabling it on non BC PS3 models because it's still a useful function. It allows PS2 owners to archive their data and transfer it back to a PS2 memory card at a later date.

[LiquidPolicenaut]

I decided to be nice and helped my brother-in-law get a PS3. I was the one who got him a 360 for his birthday 2 years ago so I figured I would help him again. SOMEONE has to teach him in the ways of gaming! (4 years ago I had also got him a Dreamcast and his sister an SNES). He REALLY wanted to play his PS2 games so I tracked down an 80GB backwards-compatible PS3 that was in good shape (a few scuffs here and there but he said he didnt mind). I added a slew of demos on there for him, gave him some of my custom themes (Lunar, Lunar:EB, Snatcher & Policenauts) and I think he's all set for now :)

[c0ldb33r]

the older ps3 is a TANK compared to this pile of plastic crap
Is this true?

Also, how many different ports are there on a ps3 slim? Can I use SD/MMC/etc.. cards in it?

[LiquidPolicenaut]

Is this true?

Also, how many different ports are there on a ps3 slim? Can I use SD/MMC/etc.. cards in it?

Sadly, the SD/MMC/MS ports were removed, I believe starting with the 80GB 2 USB port version (Non-PS2 compatible). I actually use those ports a lot (SD and MS Pro slots specifically) on my 60GB PS3 to transfer saves over and copy music, pics and videos from my laptop, digital camera, etc...

[norkusa]

Sadly, the SD/MMC/MS ports were removed, I believe starting with the 80GB 2 USB port version (Non-PS2 compatible). I actually use those ports a lot (SD and MS Pro slots specifically) on my 60GB PS3 to transfer saves over and copy music, pics and videos from my laptop, digital camera, etc...

Can you use a USB flash drive to transfer saves, files, etc.? If so, then the removal of the SD/MMC/MS ports isn't a big deal.

[eskobar]

In Mexico the prices for the PS3 have dropped since the announcement of the PS3 Slim and given the differences between them i will probably purchase the regular console, not the Slim.

From 8,600 pesos the last month to 5,999 with one or two games and there was a bundle with : MGS4 + GT Prologue + Resistance 2 + Ps3 80GB for $5,499 pesos ... there was only like 1,500 units in the store and the flew in only 3 days !

[LiquidPolicenaut]

Can you use a USB flash drive to transfer saves, files, etc.? If so, then the removal of the SD/MMC/MS ports isn't a big deal.

Oh yeah! I forgot about that! I just tried out an old USB memory card reader and , sure enough, it shows up the same way. I personally love how the card readers were nicely hidden underneath the black door but, hey, if the USB card reader works, problem solved :)