The Street Fighter IV thread

[XYXZYZ]

There are already a couple threads with specific topics regarding SFIV, but this one is a general thread about the game.

I like it! It feels a lot like Super Turbo with a bit of 3S thrown in. (I'm mostly playing Chun Li) I've finished it a few times but still don't quite have it down yet. To me, timing your moves is harder than the 2D games, the 3D animation throws me off. So it'll be a while before I get a feel for it, I'm gonna stick to fighting the computer until I'm comfortable enough with it to go online.

I think SFIV is definitely worth the hype. Though I do have my complaints here and there, I think Capcom really delivered on this one.

[heybtbm]

Topic #1.) How much I suck at Street Fighter. Online record: 2 and 11.

I bought the guide today. For $20 (!). I am determined to improve.

[exit]

I picked this game up today, it looks beautiful and the controls are pretty solid for the most part. The game requires more strategy than it does in most other fighting games, since running into a battle will more than likely result in a very quick death. I also like the added moves to the list, even throwing has its own set of movies, which makes things more varied than just pressing the heavy button in hopes to get a throw in. The game can get pretty tough even on Easy mode, which can get pretty damn frustrating, especially with that asshole Seth, I hate it when they throw in cheap final bosses to purposely make things hard and he's as cheap as they come.

Receiving online challenges as you're playing Arcade mode is a really nice addition, it really does make it feel like you're playing at arcade, but I'm sure it will get pretty frustrating after awhile since you don't have the option to accept or decline a challenge. They could have easily added a challenge accept option and an option to toggle it on or off if you choose.
Speaking of the online mode, I played a quick game (quickly got my ass kicked that is) and it ran extremely smooth, I didn't notice any kind of lag other than it taking a bit to get past the match set up screen.

Capcom really did do a good job with the game, it's the fighting game I've been dreaming of and it's nice to finally see my dream come true. I only wish I didn't have to wait an extra day to get the game, if this happens with RE5 next month I don't think I'll be as patient.

[kupomogli]

Street Fight IV is badass. Play more like Third Strike if you ask me.

Anyways. I don't own the game, but played it on the 360 last night and this morning for a few hours. Matt's friend Jordan is the one who picked it up, and like all other fighting games, we switch controllers depending on who loses. Me, Steve, Matt, Jordan, and Adam were there(though Adam didn't play since he's never played a fighting game other than Soul Calibur.)

Here's how it all went down. My turn is up. Chose Ken as I'm more of a fan of him than Ryu. 55 Wins later I'm still playing and missed hanging out with my friend Jeremy and two girls we're supposed to go drinking with. That's actually when I left. I called them and said I'd be right there, an hour late.

Stopped back over at Matt's house to play Street Fighter 4 again last night and spent the night, played it once I woke up for about two hours. At that point, I played nothing but ranking(which was untouched by anyone except for me playing it.) So I ended up getting 3, 5, and 10 wins in a row to get gamerscore on Jordan's XBOX Live account, along with around 30 - 40 extra wins, also a few losses. In the morning when I woke up, Matt's XBOX Live account was signed on, got him 3, 5, and 10 wins in a row as well. With Matt's record, I ended up getting three losses and about 50 wins though. Matt ending with 1400 points and Jordan ending with 1000.

So the question I have to ask. It's Street Fighter. Where are all the pros? I'd assume they'd be on but I've rarely fought a person who was any good. I've atleast gotten 90 wins and about 10 or less losses(I didn't look around to check and see where you could find wins either, though the rank points are posted above.) Between both of the Live accounts I played to get their stats up, my rank on points(if added together and paired against others on the listings) would be rank 100-110(that's in less than half a day worth of playing the game.)

There are some things I dislike about the game though, amazing as it is. Ryu and Ken's spin kicks are now useless against anyone that has common sense unless used to counter in the air(but then I'd rather just jump and do a High Kick and land to shoot a Hadoken in their face.) Another thing is just how over powered Zangief is, more so than before, so you had to turtle while fighting him before, you have to do so more this time around. Last. Why put Akuma in the game other than being an overpowered version of Ryu and Ken(no one has to answer this, I just think it just gives an unfair advantage to people who are actually better and use characters like Ryu or Ken against someone who gets "lucky" and lands Akuma's "take 1/2 the damage off special" and his air Hadoken attacks.)

Then about the online. What pisses me off is sometimes it actually takes upwards over 2-3 minutes before you actually are able to join a game. Quick match, match up, sorry you can't join the game, or, sorry you can't join the game someone is already in it. Or something like that. Other than that, I've only had some lag two matches(one was a second delay time, the other was actually extremely low framerate.) For around 100 matches of online ranking, two with lag isn't bad at all.

[Mayhem]

Seth is cheap. Bloody hell, I had a very frustrating time on the 360 pad trying to beat him with Abel to unlock Fei Long. Getting Rose via Bison was only slightly less frustrating. For whatever reason those two seemed bloody hard; he fell fairly easily to the other characters I was playing as. Just got Gouki and Gouken left to unlock before going through as all for Seth himself... and hopefully my TE stick will arrive tomorrow.


Receiving online challenges as you're playing Arcade mode is a really nice addition, it really does make it feel like you're playing at arcade, but I'm sure it will get pretty frustrating after awhile since you don't have the option to accept or decline a challenge. They could have easily added a challenge accept option and an option to toggle it on or off if you choose.

You can change it. Hit right button/trigger to pull up the status menu, there you can set arcade challenging to off, player (friends list I assume) or anyone. It's where you also set your player icon and status.

[Overbite]

I usually play as Ken but everyone and their mom know what Ryu/Ken do so I get beat easily. I play Cammy now :)

[Wolfrider31]

We've all been playing it pretty extensively at work and I'm having a blast. I confess that I've never been a big Street Fighter player - I was always into more obscure fighters and Virtua Fighter was my mainstay so I barely know how to use Ken or Ryu.

Still, I love almost everything about it. The combat system is deep and complex without being convoluted, the art style is amazing, it's got a great sense of humor and feels "different" enough to warrant the IV label.

One thing I'm really impressed by is the speed. I was afraid that the 3D models would make the game feel "clunky" but everything feels just as fast and fluid as the best of Capcom's sprite based fighters.

[gepeto]

I am so excited I ordered mine from capcom online a month ago and it still hasn't arrived. The Hell!!!! It Hasn't even shipped. Anyway my friend tells me it seems slow and sluggish. One of my pet peeves is after playing a fast version it is harder to slow down the pace. I hope it is fast as 3rd strike.

[Trumpman]

I've ordered mine from Newegg. Hopefully it will be here soon. We should play on Xbox Live at some point.

[Nirvana]

My god. I bought this game today, and I am amazed by this incredible game.

Street Fighter II was the first video game I have ever played, and I've been a huge fan of the series since. When Super Street Fighter II came out, that's all I would play. I mained Cammy in that game and have ever since in every game she's in. From that game, to the Alpha series, to Capcom vs. SNK 2, I've always used Cammy.

Now, unlocking Cammy was quite the feat with Crimson Viper (man. she's alright, but she's not the best o_O ) But I was glad to see that Cammy remains to be awesome in this game. I love her ultra. And her voice is excellent. Definitely matches her character instead of that little baby voice they gave her in SFA3.

As for the game itself, this fighting game is incredible. I am pleasantly surprised with how they did the animations in this game. All the characters seem pretty balanced, or so I hear from Shoryuken forums and GameFaQs. I had one online battle earlier as Cammy and I decimated a Sagat.

Anyone else entering the Gamestop tourny? Kinda sucks because I can't pick Cammy in it or use my custom configuration, but I still think I can do great. I've been playin the game my whole life.

[staxx]

Grrrrr Gamestop shafted me on the SF4 CE PS3 edition. I preordered it and they didn't have enough quantities to fulfill the preorders (even though I ordered in early January). I will raise hell if they don't get me one by this weekend. GRRRRRRRRr add this one to the Gamestop hatred quota.

[Arcade_Ness]

I was finally able to track down a PS3 copy tonight, after work. I'm loving C. Viper so far, at least until I unlock Cammy. Seth is a cheap sob. One can only hope that the success of SF4 will mean a new Darkstalkers or Rival Schools game in the future.

[Famidrive-16]

Yeah I spent like all day playing this today (my local gamestop didnt receive shipments till this morning)

Some random notes:

- Being a Zangief main most of the time I really like the improvements they gave him. The reach is a little ridiculous (gave grabs at times I didn't even mean to) but they really evened him out so that he has a better time fighting the cast than in previous games, although Guile's still a nightmare to deal with. I'm just happy I can jump over Akuma's air fireballs now.

- Really wish they made larger online lobbies. One-on-one gets old after a while and it takes a while to set up for another player. I also wish there was some sort of quick option to join someone on your friend's list who has the REQ mode on, as system menu Join Session doesn't really help.

- What the hell happened to Fei Long?

- I didn't think Seth was *that* bad.

- Wish there was more to the medals system.

[DreamTR]

I'm not sure why everybody thinks this game is 3rd Strike mixed with Super Turbo.

It runs off the Street FIghter EX engine. If you have ever played SFEX in your life, go back to that series and you'll see what I am talking about. They took the normals, most of the supers, everything. THis is essentially Street Fighter EX 4 with hitboxes.

The ONLY thing 3rd Strike like is the fact that you THROW with Jab and Short, and you have access to EX moves.

Other than that, it's Street Fighter EX 100%. The problem is, most people skipped the EX series, but if you stick a 4 on this title, everyone jumps up and plays it because of the hype not realizing they were set up with SFEX all along...

[Bojay1997]

I'm not sure why everybody thinks this game is 3rd Strike mixed with Super Turbo.

It runs off the Street FIghter EX engine. If you have ever played SFEX in your life, go back to that series and you'll see what I am talking about. They took the normals, most of the supers, everything. THis is essentially Street Fighter EX 4 with hitboxes.

The ONLY thing 3rd Strike like is the fact that you THROW with Jab and Short, and you have access to EX moves.

Other than that, it's Street Fighter EX 100%. The problem is, most people skipped the EX series, but if you stick a 4 on this title, everyone jumps up and plays it because of the hype not realizing they were set up with SFEX all along...

Well, in everyone's defense, Capcom themselves have been going on G4 and on web sites and pitching the game as a perfect blend of SFII Turbo with some elements of SFIII thrown in. Of the dozens of interviews and reviews I have seen, not a single one has mentioned EX.

[ubersaurus]

I'm not sure why everybody thinks this game is 3rd Strike mixed with Super Turbo.

It runs off the Street FIghter EX engine. If you have ever played SFEX in your life, go back to that series and you'll see what I am talking about. They took the normals, most of the supers, everything. THis is essentially Street Fighter EX 4 with hitboxes.

The ONLY thing 3rd Strike like is the fact that you THROW with Jab and Short, and you have access to EX moves.

Other than that, it's Street Fighter EX 100%. The problem is, most people skipped the EX series, but if you stick a 4 on this title, everyone jumps up and plays it because of the hype not realizing they were set up with SFEX all along...

Personally I just like that there's no parrying and no custom combo nonsense. How long has it been since Capcom put out a non-marvel fighter like that? Never had the patience to learn any customs, and I never cared enough about 3rd strike to learn how to work with the stupid parries.

So whether or not the game is like the EX ones, it's already done well in my eyes :P

[duo_r]

it really does feel like an EX game. Not a bad thing in my opinion because I liked that series, but ya I think that is the best way to describe it. I was ready to do the spin kick move 3X in a row.....

[DreamTR]

Well, in everyone's defense, Capcom themselves have been going on G4 and on web sites and pitching the game as a perfect blend of SFII Turbo with some elements of SFIII thrown in. Of the dozens of interviews and reviews I have seen, not a single one has mentioned EX.

I'm sure they did not mention it because EX did not sell gangbusters, and they want to keep comparisons out of the way, but believe me, it's the EX engine. I'm not even sure if they own the rights to all those characters that ARIKA did for them, so who knows....

Anyone who has played ST and 3s extensively can not say this game is anything close to those two games.....not even close...

[Wolfrider31]

I'm sure they did not mention it because EX did not sell gangbusters, and they want to keep comparisons out of the way, but believe me, it's the EX engine. I'm not even sure if they own the rights to all those characters that ARIKA did for them, so who knows....

Anyone who has played ST and 3s extensively can not say this game is anything close to those two games.....not even close...

So do you like it or not? Not trying to be a troll, I'm actually curious. :)

[Snapple]

Seth is SO CHEAP. I have beaten him with four different characters, but not before I threw some hissy fits. There are things you can do to make it easier to beat him, but in the end there's still too much luck involved.

I mean, you can block his attack, and you'd think that would give you an opening, but sometimes he still can hit you first. You can time whatever move you want to hit him as soon as he teleports next to you, and maybe it will land or maybe he'll say, "Fuck that, here is my unblockable dragon punch combo." Last night I was fighting against him with Sakura, and I probably got him down to a sliver of health like 40 times before I beat him. He always finds a way to steal victory against the odds. Oh, and if he manages to block anything you do close range, there is a 100% chance you're about to eat a piledriver for like a sixth of your lifebar.

[XYXZYZ]

Seth is SO CHEAP. I have beaten him with four different characters, but not before I threw some hissy fits. There are things you can do to make it easier to beat him, but in the end there's still too much luck involved.

I mean, you can block his attack, and you'd think that would give you an opening, but sometimes he still can hit you first. You can time whatever move you want to hit him as soon as he teleports next to you, and maybe it will land or maybe he'll say, "Fuck that, here is my unblockable dragon punch combo." Last night I was fighting against him with Sakura, and I probably got him down to a sliver of health like 40 times before I beat him. He always finds a way to steal victory against the odds. Oh, and if he manages to block anything you do close range, there is a 100% chance you're about to eat a piledriver for like a sixth of your lifebar.

I'm with you on Seth, but just give it time, and we'll get that sumbitch's patterns and weaknesses figured out.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I played the 360 version for about 3 hours today (first time playing SFIV)... I have serious issues with the difficulty curve. I play Ken and Zangeif, playing on medium I was getting trashed. For fun I threw it up to hardest and WTF!? I can go all the way to Seth with no continues! Are you serious? Nevermind trying to beat Seth on hardest... I tried about 20 times, only able to get him down to a sliver before he busts out the super cheese and doom throw juggle. He's a wall. I can't get to Seth on medium (I'm figuring I could actually take him on that diff) but it's a cakewalk to get to him on hardest and then he's impossible? I don't get it. Maybe I'm just messed up. I had a bunch of people watching me at the Game Crazy I was playing at. It felt like playing SF2 in the arcade all over again. Took me back a good 16 years or so. That much, at least, was awesome. :D

Focus attacks are neat. I'm trying to learn Abel and Fuerte.

[98PaceCar]

Seth seems to be a bit inconsistant for me. I tore through him with Ken like he was nothing but with Guile (a stronger character for me), it took me 15 or so times with me getting so frustrated I wanted to throw my stick through the wall. I'm not much of an SF player so maybe it adjusts the difficulty down a bit to make it easier for folks that aren't any good.

[Wolfrider31]

Since SFIV has me on a fighting game kick, does DP have a fighting game list anywhere (like the RPG lists Daria has up)?

[c0ldb33r]

Seth is a cheap fucking asshole. He is a terrible terrible boss.

I was playing through on easy. Yes.. easy. I blew through every character until I hit him. If I fought him once, I easily fought him 25 times. Eventually I won. Not because my skills improved, just because the computer make him less of a dick then the other times. I think the computer just decides at a certain point that Seth is going to win and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Also, why does this game not have a quicker continue method? Every time I continue you have to sit there while you die in slowmo, then hit start to continue and your character does a little animation. Then pick your character (I always continue with the same one). Then the announcer announces the location (same location as last time) and then says something about my name going on a tablet or something.

WTF?!? Why can't I press A+start (or any button combination) to immediately continue with the same character?

Not only is Seth cheap, he's pretty lame. A blue ice dude with a spinning ying-yang symbol for a stomach? Really? that's the best you can do? and that stupid attack when he sucks you into his stomach? that is so aggravating! not only does it take way to long, but it's also just foolish. In fact I don't really care for how long it takes for a lot of the special attacks to occur. Cut down the animation! I know you want to make a pretty game but Jesus speed it up a little.

edit: also, one time I was in the park. I saw two men sitting on a bench. They moved closer, one put his arm around the other, then leaned together and shared a kiss. That was the gayest thing I'd ever experienced, at least until I heard the SF IV intro theme.

[ubersaurus]

Since SFIV has me on a fighting game kick, does DP have a fighting game list anywhere (like the RPG lists Daria has up)?

I've seen one over on shoryuken.com; it's pretty long though. Any particular system?

Edit: Seth on Easiest, set to 1 round, 30 seconds, is a lot easier. It comes down to hitting him more than he hits you, because all his big damage attacks seem to take a little bit to come out-thus screwing him over for any last second damage attempts.

[Vinnysdad]

I didnt think Seth was cheap or a hard to beat boss. I played last night and ran through the list including Seth without having to continue. I just used the Shoryuken (is that what its called?) uppercut and the Ultra combo.

[XYXZYZ]

I didnt think Seth was cheap or a hard to beat boss. I played last night and ran through the list including Seth without having to continue. I just used the Shoryuken (is that what its called?) uppercut and the Ultra combo.

On what difficulty, and can you do it with anyone else?

[Bojay1997]

I'm sure they did not mention it because EX did not sell gangbusters, and they want to keep comparisons out of the way, but believe me, it's the EX engine. I'm not even sure if they own the rights to all those characters that ARIKA did for them, so who knows....

Anyone who has played ST and 3s extensively can not say this game is anything close to those two games.....not even close...

Sure, and the home versions of EX were on consoles that couldn't compete with the power of the ZN board which was a Playstation with tons more memory. Even assuming SFIV uses the EX engine or was inspired by it, I think it's a tremendous improvement over it and everyone I know who loves Street Fighter thinks IV is a brilliant game.

[Wolfrider31]

I've seen one over on shoryuken.com; it's pretty long though. Any particular system?

Edit: Seth on Easiest, set to 1 round, 30 seconds, is a lot easier. It comes down to hitting him more than he hits you, because all his big damage attacks seem to take a little bit to come out-thus screwing him over for any last second damage attempts.

PS2 - Current Gen mostly (although a more extensive list would be welcome). I checked Shoryuken but it doesn't appear to be searchable.

There's a list on Wikipedia but I'm not sure how extensive it is.

[Vinnysdad]

On what difficulty, and can you do it with anyone else?


Did it on medium so that I could get the Save Your Quarters and Arcade Rat achievements. Havent tried with anyone else yet because I have just been playing the challenge modes right now.

Im not trying to say im great or even good but I just wondered why people were saying Seth was hard and cheap on easy difficulty.

[Arcade_Ness]

It's all about luck for me with beating Seth. Sometimes I can cheese him with throws, one after the other. It is so satsifying beating him with a ultra move ex: Cammy and Sakura to win a match. I'm looking forward to the DLC in the coming weeks.

[Damaramu]

Did anyone here get the Collector's Edition? How's the bonus stuff? I snagged one for $68 at Deepdiscountdvd's website. Just waiting for it to arrive...

[c0ldb33r]

Did anyone here get the Collector's Edition? How's the bonus stuff? I snagged one for $68 at Deepdiscountdvd's website. Just waiting for it to arrive...
I got the 360 CE version. I haven't watched the movie, I imagine it's crap. I got the 5 extra outfits, but they're all for male characters, so I really couldn't care less. It came with a soundtrack CD - did this come with the regular version? I dig the game music so I think that's kind of neat. I'll rip it to my zune.

For me, the little C. Viper figure made it worth the price of admission. I get a kick out of stuff like that. :)

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s182/c0ldb33r/th_038.jpg (http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s182/c0ldb33r/?action=view&current=038.jpg)

[Daft Punk]

That was the gayest thing I'd ever experienced, at least until I heard the SF IV intro theme.


I agree, plus it just loops over and over again. I also never liked the announcers.
I turned down the music since I don't like most of it on this one.

[norkusa]

Did anyone here get the Collector's Edition? How's the bonus stuff? I snagged one for $68 at Deepdiscountdvd's website. Just waiting for it to arrive...

I was going to order one of those but then I read on CAG how DD oversold the preorders and everyone is on backorder now.

Did yours ship out yet? If so, when did you order?

[c0ldb33r]

I don't know how long it's taken, but I've unlocked Akuma. Next up is Gouken :D

[G-Boobie]

- Really wish they made larger online lobbies. One-on-one gets old after a while and it takes a while to set up for another player. I also wish there was some sort of quick option to join someone on your friend's list who has the REQ mode on, as system menu Join Session doesn't really help.

There's a new lobby system coming with the free 'Championship' update. I have no idea when it hits, but there you go.


- What the hell happened to Fei Long?

I'm not sure what you mean. Other than his ankle kick thing, he's still pretty much Fei Long.

[Damaramu]

I was going to order one of those but then I read on CAG how DD oversold the preorders and everyone is on backorder now.

Did yours ship out yet? If so, when did you order?

Ah, I just read one of the big DD threads at CAG...looks like I was one of unlucky ones. I promptly cancelled my order. It's a shame, cause I was locked in at Amazon for one.

Looks like I'm gonna have to find a CE locally. The hunt is on! :evil:

[Oobgarm]

Give Best Buy a look. My store still had three of these yesterday for 360.

[sidnotcrazy]

Did anyone here get the Collector's Edition? How's the bonus stuff? I snagged one for $68 at Deepdiscountdvd's website. Just waiting for it to arrive...

I got the PS3 collectors edition, and its awesome. Came with a neat little Ryu figurine, anime (which I haven't watched), and the super cheesed out soundtrack. It also came with a prima mini guide for the new characters only. Plus the new costumess.

Honestly, I have just spent all my free time playing SF4 in arcade/online modes. I really love it. I know I will watch the anime movie sometime. Most likely when my fever pitch for the title dies down to a roar.

[poloplayr]

Just got home, installed it on my PS3 and finished Medium with Ryu.

First time playing SF IV and I must say I LOVE it...but having said that I can only agree with everyone else who have vented their frustration with Seth. SUCH a cheap shot boss, he can literally render you useless for a few seconds when he pulls you in and halves your energy with his insane moves.

Still, going to be fun trying this out online now.

Add me if you want to play and like me are not on a super duper professional level (yet):

SloaneRangerSW1

[poloplayr]

Seems like the bastards finally (too late?) released Super SF II Turbo HD Remix in Europe. Just downloading it off the PSN Store now.

[norkusa]

Anybody get the guide and is it worth the $20? I don't normally buy strategy guides, but the Anniversary Collection one was great and I think I'd get more use out it than buying the CE that comes with a bunch of stuff I'll never touch anyway.

[heybtbm]

Anybody get the guide and is it worth the $20? I don't normally buy strategy guides, but the Anniversary Collection one was great and I think I'd get more use out it than buying the CE that comes with a bunch of stuff I'll never touch anyway.

The SF Anniversary guide came with the SFIII: 3rd Strike soundtrack CD. Nothing that cool this time.

I bought the SFIV guide. It's worth the $20 IMO. I usually don't pick up guides right away, but when it comes to fighting games...I'm lost without a proper explanation of the moves. The last guide I bought immediately with the game was for PS2 SF Alpha Anthology.

The SFIV guide is similar to most fighting game guides, in that it lists each move with corresponding pictures. I would think most of this information is available (or will be soon) on GameFAQs if you want to save $20.

[c0ldb33r]

The SFIV guide is similar to most fighting game guides, in that it lists each move with corresponding pictures. I would think most of this information is available (or will be soon) on GameFAQs if you want to save $20.
Or just pause and look at the move list, but there are no pictures. I can't figure out how to do Akuma's ultra combo to save my life.

By the way, I found this image online - this isn't real is it? It's something fake right?

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s182/c0ldb33r/Hsf2zxshcfegmuccttlb.gif

[poloplayr]

Anybody get the guide and is it worth the $20? I don't normally buy strategy guides, but the Anniversary Collection one was great and I think I'd get more use out it than buying the CE that comes with a bunch of stuff I'll never touch anyway.

Have a look at this first:

http://gootecks.com/the-3rd-strike-players-guide-to-street-fighter-4-by-gootecks/

[CosmicMonkey]

If anyone cares about the Euro CE, here's mine:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5852/img0063uh6.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/391/img0066cp6.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2672/img0068td3.jpg

Not pictured is The Ties that Bind on Blu-Ray. It just comes loose in a clear wallet, which I was rather unimpressed with.

[ubersaurus]

Akuma's ultra is jab-jab-back on the stick/pad-short kick-fierce punch. It has to be input kinda fast; I usually screw it up, despite having no problem doing the normal super in the game (or any other).

[c0ldb33r]

So who's the cheapest character to play online against?

I vote Zangief.

Also, the european CE - you get both figures? very cool! How did north american get the shaft on that? why do we only get one?

finally, how do you unlock Gouken? I unlocked Akuma, beat Arcade with him, then beat arcade mode again with Ryu and got at least 5 perfects and ultras, gouken didn't appear.

Here is me trying to play online:

Unable to join because the game is already full Search again? YES

Unable to join game. Search again? YES

Unable to join game. Search again? YES

Unable to join because the game is already full Search again? YES

Unable to join because the game is already full Search again? YES

[Vinnysdad]

So who's the cheapest character to play online against?

I vote Zangief.

Also, the european CE - you get both figures? very cool! How did north american get the shaft on that? why do we only get one?

finally, how do you unlock Gouken? I unlocked Akuma, beat Arcade with him, then beat arcade mode again with Ryu and got at least 5 perfects and ultras, gouken didn't appear.

Here is me trying to play online:

Unable to join because the game is already full Search again? YES

Unable to join game. Search again? YES

Unable to join game. Search again? YES

Unable to join because the game is already full Search again? YES

Unable to join because the game is already full Search again? YES


Thats how my online experience was last night. Took me almost half an hour to finally join a match. Also the tiny text in the game is giving me a headache.

[Overbite]

Protip: create matches yourself. Always works!

I thought I was decent at this game but after 20+ straight losses playing as Cammy I think I need to get better :(

[Nirvana]

I entered an unofficial tournament at Gamecrazy today. I finished 3rd. Kinda lame because I didn't win anything, but everyone was so surprised to see me dominate with Cammy. Almost everyone was Ken.

[Damaramu]

Give Best Buy a look. My store still had three of these yesterday for 360.

And that I did tonight! They had 2 CE's left and 1 360 control pad left (Chun Li, which was the one I wanted!). So, snagged one of the CE's and the Chun Li controller.

Gotta say, the controller surprised me! There is a bit of stiffness when trying to do dragon punch motions...but I can get them out alright. Though I gotta say, I wish the d-pad wasn't so plastic-y. I wish it had the same rubber texture that the underside of the controller has.

[Arcade_Ness]

Protip: create matches yourself. Always works!

I thought I was decent at this game but after 20+ straight losses playing as Cammy I think I need to get better :(

For me it was 30+ straight losses >.< Granted I had a few close matches, that I should've won, but didn't get that last hit or two in. I need to be able to pull off her jumping dive kick and hooligan combo, if I attend to main her. I will say her EX Backfist and EX Cannon Kick are lovely.

I found using Sakura to be fun, and I got my first victory with her. My overall online experience has been positive. I should try using custom matches, to speed up the process and ease my fustration in finding a match. I did find some cool people who let me fight them in several matches, even though I was on a mad losing streak. While there are those cheap sobs, like one guy who kept spamming Ken's shoryuken. Also why are there so many shotos/Ryus/Kens? lol

[G-Boobie]

This is a plea to fellow PS3 owners: please please please install the game to your hard drive. It's a little more than 2 gigs, takes five minutes, and it completely obliterates the load times. Online seems to work much better too, which is, you know, good.

[Daft Punk]

w3rd on installing it. I did mine a few days ago and it's a huge difference.

I also figured seth's cheap ass out and was able to beat him with sagat with a 1 round perfect.


I been doing good online, over 50 won battles so far . My battle points are up to about 1400 right now. Long way to go but at least im in the 9000's for rank :P . I challenge all comers , I will tiger knee you badly especially if you are ryu or ken ;) .

[Daft Punk]

Also why are there so many shotos/Ryus/Kens? lol

It seems to me when ever it gets about 6 eastern or so everone that challenges me while im playing arcade mode picks ryu or ken.

about 90% of the time they also try and start the match jumping toward me. Thats when I just keep high kicking them with sagat every time they jump in. If you jump for them they will almost always do a uppercut.

[G-Boobie]

It seems to me when ever it gets about 6 eastern or so everone that challenges me while im playing arcade mode picks ryu or ken.

We call the ken/ryu/Akuma/Sakura spammers "Shoto Protos".


about 90% of the time they also try and start the match jumping toward me. Thats when I just keep high kicking them with sagat every time they jump in. If you jump for them they will almost always do a uppercut.

They'll learn. Or, alternately, They'll rage-quit and send you hate mail. Either way, you win!

I love it when a new, big-time fighting game hits. More people playing online, and eventually more long-term fans of the genre. Thanks Capcom!

[c0ldb33r]

Another plea for installing the game to HDD, but this is a plea to 360 owners. Please install it to the HDD, it speeds up level loads. Unlike the PS3, the network works great either way, I just hate waiting an extra few seconds because my opponent has to load his levels from the disc.

[Damaramu]

Oh man, I LOVE this game! Money well spent! Although, I was expecting a little more from the guide "book" they included! Sort of reminded me of those little comics that came with He-Man action figures back in the day! Ditto for the Crimson Viper figure. She's fugly...and pretty poorly painted. :(

Additionally: My Ties That Bind disc was in my game case...and the soundtrack was in the Ties That Bind case. Just thought it was odd.

So far so good with the SFIV controller. I've have ZERO problems with it outside of SSFIIHDR. I tried the controller with SFII Turbo...worked perfectly. No issues with shoryukens at all.

And finally, I'd like to say this: FU ABEL!! Damn, the computer loves spamming that move where he grabs, spins you around and tosses you!! Just you wait until I unlock Sakura you bastich! Haha!!

[VACRMH]

Oh man, I LOVE this game! Money well spent! Although, I was expecting a little more from the guide "book" they included! Sort of reminded me of those little comics that came with He-Man action figures back in the day! Ditto for the Crimson Viper figure. She's fugly...and pretty poorly painted. :(

Additionally: My Ties That Bind disc was in my game case...and the soundtrack was in the Ties That Bind case. Just thought it was odd.

So far so good with the SFIV controller. I've have ZERO problems with it outside of SSFIIHDR. I tried the controller with SFII Turbo...worked perfectly. No issues with shoryukens at all.

And finally, I'd like to say this: FU ABEL!! Damn, the computer loves spamming that move where he grabs, spins you around and tosses you!! Just you wait until I unlock Sakura you bastich! Haha!!

Agreed on Abel. I beat Seth on my 3rd try but Abel drives me nuts.

Another odd thing about the CE for the 360 is that on the card for the costume download, it mentions the Playstation Network once.

So far, I'm enjoying the game. But for the life of me can't get past the trial for C. Viper that's a Focus Attack to EX Electric Punch whatever. Just doesn't seem to be enough time to link it.

[Lothars]

Give Best Buy a look. My store still had three of these yesterday for 360.

That's better than my Bestbuy, they screwed me over because I got there at opening and staff had taken all the street fighters for themselves, I still managed to get myself a copy of the collectors but man I was pissed.

[Famidrive-16]

I entered an unofficial tournament at Gamecrazy today. I finished 3rd. Kinda lame because I didn't win anything, but everyone was so surprised to see me dominate with Cammy. Almost everyone was Ken.

They're letting you play Cammy? I heard unlocked characters wouldn't be there.

Ummm I'm going to one today, wish me luck.

[heybtbm]

Protip: create matches yourself. Always works!

Exactly. It took me about 2 minutes of trying to get into existing matches to figure it out.

[c0ldb33r]

Protip: create matches yourself. Always works!
Or turn invite on and try to play arcade mode.

[VACRMH]

Or turn invite on and try to play arcade mode.

That's what I've been doing, and half the time my arcade match doesn't even begin by the time I get an invite.

[Nirvana]

They're letting you play Cammy? I heard unlocked characters wouldn't be there.

Ummm I'm going to one today, wish me luck.

It was an unofficial tournament at Gamecrazy, not the official one at Gamestop.

[Therealqtip]

If you were to find a Street Fighter 4:CE at the stores how much would it cost? Like 70 or 80? on Ebay it's like 130...my local game crazy has 2.

[Nate Nanjo]

I like the Collectors Edition and the game so money well spent.

I came to the conclusion that Seth is one of the cheapest bosses I've ever fought, I've beaten him on very hard with Vega, but trying to beat him on very easy with any other character I get owned 3 or 4 times before beating him.

Apparently I'm in a small group of Vega users.

[ProgrammingAce]

Cheap bosses are enough to convince me not to ever buy this game. Generally, i don't like throwing my controller through a wall. I'll take difficult, ninja gaiden is awesome, but cheap? Pass.

[VACRMH]

Cheap bosses are enough to convince me not to ever buy this game. Generally, i don't like throwing my controller through a wall. I'll take difficult, ninja gaiden is awesome, but cheap? Pass.

He's really not all that bad.

People need to fight some SNK bosses, and then we'll talk.

[Bojay1997]

If you were to find a Street Fighter 4:CE at the stores how much would it cost? Like 70 or 80? on Ebay it's like 130...my local game crazy has 2.

If you look at the Ebay auctions in the last few days, the price has dropped to just slightly above MSRP on the auctions that have actually been won. This isn't exactly a rare CE since it was stocked by lots of major retailers. The PS3 version seems to command a slightly higher price, but that's probably because the demand for that version was higher than Capcom had anticipated since I think they did the usual ratio of 35-40% PS3 and the rest 360 based on relative market share for each console.

[Damaramu]

Seth is cheap if you try to actually fight him. I found it's easiest to find the one move he's weak against and spam the hell out if it. That's how I win my matches against him, giving him a dose of his own cheapass medicine.

[Wolfrider31]

Amen. Fighting against Seth is infuriating. Or at least, with Dan it is. I went through a good dozen or so matches before I gave up last night. I should probably just switch it to a weaker difficulty level but my pride won't let me. He's still pretty poorly designed and I'm thinking a rebalancing is in order vis a vis a patch.

Also, and it could just be because I've played VF for about 5 years, but the throw logic in this game sucks. It seems like a throw will connect in the most ridiculous of circumstances. Immediately after you hit a character, while in the middle of a move, etc. I've had numerous instances of having a character perform a move, me dodge and leap in for a counter attack and then, WHILE THE OPPONENT'S MOVE IS STILL ANIMATING, be thrown. Yeah, yeah canceling and that, but it smacks of illogical design.

[SurfKahuna]

I won Round 1 of the GameStop tournament at the Avondale location. If anyone ever wants to play me, I'm "SurfKahuna" on live. Add me! ;)

[smork]

Just picked this up last night. Very difficult to find in stock! I finally asked someone at the third store I went to - they had a few, but behind the counter. They tried to get me to buy the arcade stick as well -- which, while cool, is probably not substantially better than the DOA 360 stick I already have.

Or is it??

[Damaramu]

Did you buy the CE or the regular edition?

[G-Boobie]

Just picked this up last night. Very difficult to find in stock! I finally asked someone at the third store I went to - they had a few, but behind the counter. They tried to get me to buy the arcade stick as well -- which, while cool, is probably not substantially better than the DOA 360 stick I already have.

Or is it??

Unless it's the tournament edition, it's trouble.

Check out the thread about defects and manufacturing issues in the tech talk forum at SRK(I'd link to it, but the server is currently down). Here's a link (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3172875)to the news story on 1UP where Mad Catz addresses the problem.

On the other hand, they were going for over a hundred bucks on Ebay last week, so if you want to make some quick cash...

[smork]

Unless it's the tournament edition, it's trouble.

Check out the thread about defects and manufacturing issues in the tech talk forum at SRK(I'd link to it, but the server is currently down). Here's a link (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3172875)to the news story on 1UP where Mad Catz addresses the problem.

I'm in Japan, so it's the Hori, not the Mad Catz stick. You can see it here:
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-dd-77-c-49-en-15-street+fighter-70-36al-43-bn.html

It looks identical to the DOA stick except the face label.


Did you buy the CE or the regular edition?

AFAIK there's only one edition in Japan. I only saw one advertised - but since it's difficult to get in the stores there could be other versions.

[realdeal]

ok now who hear feels like they a expert with street fighter i feel like i can beat anybody haha ....this cool to see other people enjoying the game i need to calm down jk cheers http://photosnag.com/img/3012/y09w0131xdtc/82(2).gif

[XYXZYZ]

Yippee, the female characters' alt outfit package is up now. Let's go SHOPPING for a new DRESS!! Squeeeeeeeee!

[Cobra Commander]

Last night I fought a very proficient Ryu player. He was GOOD. I was Zangief. I beat his ass by spamming the shit out of his cyclone attack. I know that guy was pissed.

[Nirvana]

Seth honestly is not that bad. I can beat the game on the hardest difficulty with Cammy. Against Seth, you just have to be patient. You can't outright attack him. However, he does so much that he leaves himself open a lot more than you think. His Dhalsim punch, his sonic booms, and that weird move that vacuums you towards him are all great times to jump fierce into a combo.

Have any of you guys tried the trials yet? I'm having a really difficult time with Cammy's second hard trial. I can't even land that medium punch after a light kick consistently.

(Edit: I absolutely love the MadCatz Gamepads. I managed to snatch a Ken and Ryu. It's so easy to do half circles and quartercircles with them.)

[Wolfrider31]

Seth honestly is not that bad. I can beat the game on the hardest difficulty with Cammy. Against Seth, you just have to be patient. You can't outright attack him. However, he does so much that he leaves himself open a lot more than you think. His Dhalsim punch, his sonic booms, and that weird move that vacuums you towards him are all great times to jump fierce into a combo.

Have any of you guys tried the trials yet? I'm having a really difficult time with Cammy's second hard trial. I can't even land that medium punch after a light kick consistently.

(Edit: I absolutely love the MadCatz Gamepads. I managed to snatch a Ken and Ryu. It's so easy to do half circles and quartercircles with them.)

The trials are frustrating. There are lots of weird timing issues with the 360 pad - I'll probably try them out again when I grab one of the fight pads.

[c0ldb33r]

I was Zangief. I beat his ass by spamming the shit out of his cyclone attack. I know that guy was pissed.
arrrggghhhh. I hate people like you! :mad:

[MarioMania]

Will Capcom do a PSP version of this Game??

[Nirvana]

Will Capcom do a PSP version of this Game??

I don't think so, at least anytime soon. There's really too much to handle o_O

[Arcade_Ness]

Yippee, the female characters' alt outfit package is up now. Let's go SHOPPING for a new DRESS!! Squeeeeeeeee!

Bah I need new outfits NOW! Too bad us PS3 players have to wait until Thursday. I've been trying to get better at using Rose. Her Ultra = Shamwow!

[c0ldb33r]

Her Ultra = Shamwow!
Oh my God, I'm going to do a temporary thread derailment here, but it's worth it.

I was at a Zellers store last week (it's a Canadian chain like Walmart) and I noticed they had Shamwows for sale. They had a DVD of that commercial playing on a TV, signs up saying AS SEEN ON TV, etc... I went over to look at the box because these things just amaze me.

Then it happens. I notice a female employee standing next to a spill. She's young. She's pretty. She looks confused and concerned. The spill is a puddle of blue liquid by her feet. The puddle is about a foot in diameter. She's waiting for someone to come clean it up - I guess she's standing there to be sure that no one slips and falls.

I grab the box of Shamwows, rip open the package and yell I WILL DEAL WITH THIS! I run over and quickly soak up the blue liquid just by laying the shamwow on top of the puddle. It immediately soaks into the shamwow. I twist the shamwow out and all the liquid runs out into a near by bucket. The floor is immediately clean and safe for other customers. The shamwow? It's perfect. It's dry. Somehow despite the blue colour of the liquid, the shamwow is still golden in colour.

The female employee is ecstatic. She's beside herself. She gives me a huge kiss and tells me that if I want, I can have her. Right there on the floor. A huge crowd emerges out of nowhere and they're cheering and chanting SHAMWOW, SHAMWOW, SHAMWOW, SHAMWOW. Then suddenly they start chanting for me to give a speech.

I addressed the crowd, "Don't thank me. I didn't do anything. Thank the Shamwow. The Shamwow did everything. This little piece of cloth has more sucking power than a hooker using a vaccuum. How can you tell that it's good? It's from Germany. You know that they make good stuff". The crowd erupted into cheers and applause.

Then I woke up. I stopped daydreaming. The employee was still standing by the puddle. I put the Shamwow box down and walked away towards the electronics department. On my way I passed another Zellers employee carrying a mop who I imagine was going to wipe up that spill.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s182/c0ldb33r/th_shamwow.jpg (http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s182/c0ldb33r/?action=view&current=shamwow.jpg)

[Nirvana]

Bah I need new outfits NOW! Too bad us PS3 players have to wait until Thursday. I've been trying to get better at using Rose. Her Ultra = Shamwow!

I actually faced a pretty good Rose online yesterday. I hate facing characters you normally don't see people use. Not sure what to expect from them o_O

[Cobra Commander]

arrrggghhhh. I hate people like you! :mad:
Heh. Well to be fair, I don't own the game and I'm sure I won't for a long time. I only fought online that one time to get the easy ahceivement. Now that Street Fighter is out of my system, I can go back to the NES where I belong.

[CosmicMonkey]

Will Capcom do a PSP version of this Game??

Gazing into my Crystal Ball whilst wearing my magical Psychic Y-Fronts........

I honestly think we will see SFIV in some form on the PSP. It's certainly a powerful little machine and Sony really needs killer titles for it. The recent announcements of Assassins Creed, Rock Band, Little Big Planet, Motorstorm and Resistance: Retribution are great news. SFIV would really be the icing on the cake.

Obviously it won't be an exact port of the arcade/home versions, but I still think the machine could handle a pretty good looking version of the game with all the gameplay intact. I certainly think there would be less characters included though. I don't reckon it'd be billed as a direct port, maybe something like SFIV: Compact Edition.

[Wolfrider31]

Cue bitter rant warning.

I played my last match in SFIV today. I'm done. I went from loving this game the first time I played it with a group of friends to despising it after playing for a week. And before anyone asks: Yes, I suck at it, and that's not the reason I hate it.

To start, I'm a huge fan of Virtua Fighter and I play 5 online a fair bit. My win loss ratio is about 50-50 but I started playing the game around 3 and got my ass handed to me by each game until I slowly started to understand the system. I mention this because I want people to realize that putting "work" into learning a fighting game is not something I'm opposed too.

But this? I tried to stay with it, really. I kept expecting there to be something more to this game, something deeper that I could latch on to and go, "Ooooh, I see what this game is about now." But nope. That moment never came. I went through the game unlocking all the characters (all the time wondering why the game was forcing me to play cheaply against boss Seth instead of actually teaching me the game) and then did the challenge modes and then hopped into online play.

Here's a run down of my online experience:

1) Select player.
2) Opponent selects a) Ryu, b) Ken, c) Sagat.
3) Enter Match
4) Opponent runs to one side of the screen.
5) Opponent spams fireball attack.
6) Rinse/repeat.

This is 95% of my matches. I won't go into why I think it's cheap (just to avoid people claiming that IV is perfectly balanced - it's not) or why I think the game doesn't provide you with near enough options for dealing with that kind of play (one move per character to potentially get you out of that situation is not balance) but my gripe is this: Why should I spend 60 dollars on a game when almost all the matches I play are going to look exactly the same?

And why, when I have it set to "same skill" does it throw me against opponents that have the same BP as those at the top of the leaderboards? What's it using to measure skill?

But that's just the tip of the iceberg for me. The controls are awful. No. Stop. Don't tell me that that's what I should expect when playing on the 360. No. Stop. Don't tell me that it plays fine with the fightstick or the fightpad. Why, after spending 60 bucks on a game should I be forced to shell out another 40 - 100 so the game actually works?

And I'm not an SF n00b either. Third Strike? That was a GREAT fighting game. Why? Because no matter what your opponent did, you could deal with it. It had depth, complexity, and was balanced as all get out.

This? This is a complete mess. Not that I'm attacking those of you who are legitimately a fan of the game - if you see something in it that I can't then fine by me. But honestly, I think IV has a way's to go before it can match up with Smash Brothers, let alone Virtua Fighter and Third Strike.

/Rant over.

[DiabolicalAdvocate]

I agree that the game isn't balanced. It's too easy to exploit certain characters with projectiles.

I main with Cammy, Guile is my secondary, and I'm trying to learn Viper, though she may be a lost cause. I feel like 75-80% of my matches are against Ken, and they play out in very similar ways. No striking of any kind, just fireballs and uppercuts. Ken is far too easy to use, and everyone knows this, so they use him to up their BP.

I'm not quite as frustrated as you are yet, but I'm headed in that direction.

[Mayhem]

I've not had many fireball spammers at all (although plenty of Ken and Ryu players) but I've just delivered the beats on them when I've encountered them. Personally many people I know are just doing Player matches either with randoms (better selection of characters usually cos BP don't matter) or friends. I'm just delving into Ranked occasionally to try and get the 10-in-a-row achievement but I don't think I'll be using it that often myself; Player matches have been where it's at for me so far.

As for Ken himself, there are reasons he's tiered way below Ryu and especially Sagat; his recovery time sucks compared to them for starters. Exploit it. Fake him into dragon punch and nail his arse, every... single... time.

[G-Boobie]

I understand the pain of dealing with shoto spammers, but there are ways around it for every character even if you exclude jumping in safely.

Bison has his head stomp, Honda has the Sumo Splash (in three different flavors!), Blanka has his river run slide and cowards crouch, Vega can wall jump, Gouken has his ridiculous half-screen punch thing, Viper has a high jump and her seismic toss, etc. etc. etc.

Then there are teleports, and the best possible way of dealing with fireball spam when facing shoto protos: EX specials. They might get you with an EX fireball, but if you switch your advance up enough, you can see it coming. My favorite tactic is to use Balrog and headbutt my way across the screen until I get a couple super meter bars filled up. Then it's EX dash straight/dash upper all day, linked into a super or ultra. That's one seriously dead Ken, and never mind the hadoukens and DPs.

So far, I think the game is actually pretty balanced, although there are obviously a couple of characters that stand taller than everyone else... Just like in every Street Fighter game ever. It's like that in any fighting game, actually. Perfect balance is a myth.

Someone will figure out a sure fire way of avoiding Sagat's fireball trap soon and he'll fall a spot in the tier list. An El Fuerte player will figure out how to exploit some throw of his and loop it over and over, and he'll rise a tier. It's impossible to know for sure where the balance is yet: it's only been out for, what, six months in the arcade, and two weeks on console?

[c0ldb33r]

This thread got me thinking... I don't think I've yet encountered a Roofus player online.

Has anyone else? How was it?

[Icarus Moonsight]

Oh my God, I'm going to do a temporary thread derailment here, but it's worth it.

I was at a Zellers store last week (it's a Canadian chain like Walmart) and I noticed they had Shamwows for sale. They had a DVD of that commercial playing on a TV, signs up saying AS SEEN ON TV, etc... I went over to look at the box because these things just amaze me.

Then it happens. I notice a female employee standing next to a spill. She's young. She's pretty. She looks confused and concerned. The spill is a puddle of blue liquid by her feet. The puddle is about a foot in diameter. She's waiting for someone to come clean it up - I guess she's standing there to be sure that no one slips and falls.

I grab the box of Shamwows, rip open the package and yell I WILL DEAL WITH THIS! I run over and quickly soak up the blue liquid just by laying the shamwow on top of the puddle. It immediately soaks into the shamwow. I twist the shamwow out and all the liquid runs out into a near by bucket. The floor is immediately clean and safe for other customers. The shamwow? It's perfect. It's dry. Somehow despite the blue colour of the liquid, the shamwow is still golden in colour.

The female employee is ecstatic. She's beside herself. She gives me a huge kiss and tells me that if I want, I can have her. Right there on the floor. A huge crowd emerges out of nowhere and they're cheering and chanting SHAMWOW, SHAMWOW, SHAMWOW, SHAMWOW. Then suddenly they start chanting for me to give a speech.

I addressed the crowd, "Don't thank me. I didn't do anything. Thank the Shamwow. The Shamwow did everything. This little piece of cloth has more sucking power than a hooker using a vaccuum. How can you tell that it's good? It's from Germany. You know that they make good stuff". The crowd erupted into cheers and applause.

Then I woke up. I stopped daydreaming. The employee was still standing by the puddle. I put the Shamwow box down and walked away towards the electronics department. On my way I passed another Zellers employee carrying a mop who I imagine was going to wipe up that spill.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s182/c0ldb33r/th_shamwow.jpg (http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s182/c0ldb33r/?action=view&current=shamwow.jpg)

Before you snapped out of it you should have told her, "You're gonna love my nuts!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0cgQkT4ScQ

Dancemix!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xOA82k2IK4

[Vinnysdad]

This thread got me thinking... I don't think I've yet encountered a Roofus player online.

Has anyone else? How was it?


I have. The guy knew how to use Roofus and pull off all his moves but the character seems weak and all the moves were easy to dodge or block. I beat him with Guile my new favorite character.

[Daft Punk]

This thread got me thinking... I don't think I've yet encountered a Roofus player online.

Has anyone else? How was it?

I have , they are usually just do a bunch of cheap throws over and over.

[ubersaurus]

I have , they are usually just do a bunch of cheap throws over and over.

You know, you have equal access to throws too. They aren't that hard to reverse, either, especially if you know it's coming.

[ubersaurus]

Cue bitter rant warning.

I played my last match in SFIV today. I'm done. I went from loving this game the first time I played it with a group of friends to despising it after playing for a week. And before anyone asks: Yes, I suck at it, and that's not the reason I hate it.

To start, I'm a huge fan of Virtua Fighter and I play 5 online a fair bit. My win loss ratio is about 50-50 but I started playing the game around 3 and got my ass handed to me by each game until I slowly started to understand the system. I mention this because I want people to realize that putting "work" into learning a fighting game is not something I'm opposed too.

But this? I tried to stay with it, really. I kept expecting there to be something more to this game, something deeper that I could latch on to and go, "Ooooh, I see what this game is about now." But nope. That moment never came. I went through the game unlocking all the characters (all the time wondering why the game was forcing me to play cheaply against boss Seth instead of actually teaching me the game) and then did the challenge modes and then hopped into online play.

Here's a run down of my online experience:

1) Select player.
2) Opponent selects a) Ryu, b) Ken, c) Sagat.
3) Enter Match
4) Opponent runs to one side of the screen.
5) Opponent spams fireball attack.
6) Rinse/repeat.

This is 95% of my matches. I won't go into why I think it's cheap (just to avoid people claiming that IV is perfectly balanced - it's not) or why I think the game doesn't provide you with near enough options for dealing with that kind of play (one move per character to potentially get you out of that situation is not balance) but my gripe is this: Why should I spend 60 dollars on a game when almost all the matches I play are going to look exactly the same?

And why, when I have it set to "same skill" does it throw me against opponents that have the same BP as those at the top of the leaderboards? What's it using to measure skill?

But that's just the tip of the iceberg for me. The controls are awful. No. Stop. Don't tell me that that's what I should expect when playing on the 360. No. Stop. Don't tell me that it plays fine with the fightstick or the fightpad. Why, after spending 60 bucks on a game should I be forced to shell out another 40 - 100 so the game actually works?

And I'm not an SF n00b either. Third Strike? That was a GREAT fighting game. Why? Because no matter what your opponent did, you could deal with it. It had depth, complexity, and was balanced as all get out.

This? This is a complete mess. Not that I'm attacking those of you who are legitimately a fan of the game - if you see something in it that I can't then fine by me. But honestly, I think IV has a way's to go before it can match up with Smash Brothers, let alone Virtua Fighter and Third Strike.

/Rant over.

3rd Strike was a weak tourney game because you could get out of anything. There was no incentive to attack, and less incentive to use any of the skills learned for every other 2d fighter. No zoning. No trapping. No rushdown, because doing any of these, they could just parry out of it.

If you're seriously having trouble with fireball spam, you need to work on your spacing. you want to jump from a position where they won't be able to anti air you when you're coming in, but close enough that you can encourage them to stop fireballing. That's Street Fighter 101 shit right there. People have been dealing with it since 1991. All it takes is experience and a desire to actually improve.

As for controls, I've played on arcade sticks since 2000 for consoles, and I'm not having any problems. If you don't want to shell out for the controller the game was made for, that's entirely up to you. But I recommend it.

[Daft Punk]

You know, you have equal access to throws too. They aren't that hard to reverse, either, especially if you know it's coming.

I know I just hate using them at all. Im the no block no throw kinda player. Ive learned though on this one you have no choice but to block. I guess I just need to learn how to throw better.

[Famidrive-16]

But honestly, I think IV has a way's to go before it can match up with Smash Brothers

ohhhh man

[c0ldb33r]

...That's Street Fighter 101 shit right there. People have been dealing with it since 1991...
I'd refer everyone to the Street Fighter Anniversary disc that includes a video tutorial on how-to succeed at Street Fighter.

[Nirvana]

Post your win %.

Mine is 66.99%. Not great, but a lot of my losses came from when I was first getting used to all of the stuff. Now I am getting 15 game winning streaks pretty consistently.

[Arcade_Ness]

Yes finally Femme Fatale Pack is on PSN! Get! After a short stint in ranked matches, I decided to switch back to player matches. I don't let losing in this game affect me. I should note I just got the trophy for winning ten matches, and I've played a little bit over a hundred matches. So yeah I'm pretty terrible, but I don't let it detract from having fun. For me I just enjoy the thrill of battle.

After training with Rose for a long time, I came back to Cammy, and I think I've improved with her. I still can't do her aerial cannon dive, or hooligan combo(which is hard to pull off at all and I'm not sure it's worth the effort). Before I quit my last session I was facing a scrub using Chun Li, who didn't know how to use her specials, and kept spamming her lightning kick. I proceeding to beat him down with Cammy and Rose. At some point he must of given up on Chun Li, so he tried to be cheap with Zangief. I lost one round to his cheapness and I was determined to show him the error of his ways. I couldn't get the job done with Rose, as I was caught up in his damn command throws. So I switch to Cammy, used my Ultra when I needed to, and defeated him.

Offtopic I did get a chuckle at the ShamWow story Coldbeer :) I was hoping it was true, because that would've been epic.

[Nirvana]

Yes finally Femme Fatale Pack is on PSN! Get! After a short stint in ranked matches, I decided to switch back to player matches. I don't let losing in this game affect me. I should note I just got the trophy for winning ten matches, and I've played a little bit over a hundred matches. So yeah I'm pretty terrible, but I don't let it detract from having fun. For me I just enjoy the thrill of battle.

After training with Rose for a long time, I came back to Cammy, and I think I've improved with her. I still can't do her aerial cannon dive, or hooligan combo(which is hard to pull off at all and I'm not sure it's worth the effort). Before I quit my last session I was facing a scrub using Chun Li, who didn't know how to use her specials, and kept spamming her lightning kick. I proceeding to beat him down with Cammy and Rose. At some point he must of given up on Chun Li, so he tried to be cheap with Zangief. I lost one round to his cheapness and I was determined to show him the error of his ways. I couldn't get the job done with Rose, as I was caught up in his damn command throws. So I switch to Cammy, used my Ultra when I needed to, and defeated him.

Offtopic I did get a chuckle at the ShamWow story Coldbeer :) I was hoping it was true, because that would've been epic.

Oh dude, it definitely is. People seriously never see it coming if you never use it in the first round. It really throws people off, especially Zangiefs. Once they start spamming the lariat, spiral arrow all day.

[Overbite]

Throws aren't cheap, fireball spamming isnt cheap, doing one move over and over isn't cheap. If you can't avoid it then you're just bad. Don't blame the game for your lack of skill.

[Nirvana]

Throws aren't cheap, fireball spamming isnt cheap, doing one move over and over isn't cheap. If you can't avoid it then you're just bad. Don't blame the game for your lack of skill.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Nothing is cheap about this game.

Well, unless you want the full arcade experience and buy the limited edition arcade stick >_>

[Arcade_Ness]

Too true, you just have to find a way to counter your opponent. I had a Ken who kept doing shoryukens, so I just jumped up and air threw him until he changed his tactics.

[Wolfrider31]

ohhhh man

You know, I think the full sentence there might have changed what I said ... just a little.

Actual line: But honestly, I think IV has a way's to go before it can match up with Smash Brothers, let alone Virtua Fighter and Third Strike.

The "let alone" part that you left out indicates that I clearly think Smash Brothers is at the bottom tier of the fighting game pile. Nice try though.

[jedimind7]

Just got the game a couple hours ago. After a very brief training mode with Ryu I went ahead and did arcade mode on medium. Other than Bison and Zangief giving me minor problems, I was able to get up to Seth pretty easy. First round was nothing. I thought this was going to be a piece of cake and was wondering why I kept hearing so many complaints. I soon found out:(
After 35 attempts(I know because I counted) I just gave up. Other than that the game is pretty damn good.

[Nirvana]

Wooo! Just got my win percentage online to 73%. I am 146-54 with Cammy. I've got about 2000 BP.

[c0ldb33r]

My win percentage is 67%, I've got about 1020 BP.

Two things:

1) I find it absolutely hilarious when fighting female characters with Ryu. After I win, they're laying on the ground, their legs are spread, they're breathing heavily and he says "Can you stand after THAT?". It makes me chuckle every time.

2) One of the challenges (I think it's time challenge #2) says below the description "who is that in the audience?". All four battles take place in the arena witha very busy audience, but I didn't see anything of interest in the audience. Am I missing something?

[ubersaurus]

I know in Japan there was a contest where the winner would be put into an SF4 background; I'm assuming that's what it was referring to. In which case, we may never know who, exactly, that winner was :P

[Nirvana]

2) One of the challenges (I think it's time challenge #2) says below the description "who is that in the audience?". All four battles take place in the arena witha very busy audience, but I didn't see anything of interest in the audience. Am I missing something?

I was wondering what those descriptions on those challenges were.

[parallelprophet]

I'm lovin' my SFIV. I got the PS3 CE. So far, I beat hard mode with Ken on the first day, then I logged 17 hrs w/in 2 days as well as unlocking all Characters except for Gouken and Seth.

As for the "gay" song. It's not so gay. Street Fighter is ultimately a product of the 90's....and that being said, that song is SO NINETIES. Also, it's very arcade-ish. No qualms here. I think it's all a great package.

[gatti]

Just got the game a couple hours ago. After a very brief training mode with Ryu I went ahead and did arcade mode on medium. Other than Bison and Zangief giving me minor problems, I was able to get up to Seth pretty easy. First round was nothing. I thought this was going to be a piece of cake and was wondering why I kept hearing so many complaints. I soon found out:(
After 35 attempts(I know because I counted) I just gave up. Other than that the game is pretty damn good.
I agree! On "medium" the game isn't too hard, but round 2 of Seth is crazy. He's pathetic in round 1. (Corner him and you can keep throwing him) But round two is another story. He's just a bit much. That same day I was still getting use to the new moves and so forth, so maybe I might have better chances now :P

[c0ldb33r]

Whoa whoa whoa hold the phone. I may have misjudged the SF4 anime in its entirety. Destructoid has a post called Weekend Destructainment: Thunder Grope! (http://www.destructoid.com/weekend-destructainment-thunder-grope--123270.phtml) that makes the anime look fantastic. It's Crimson Viper and Cammy fighting. Crimson Viper punches Cammy right in the baby maker than gropes her tits. The whole while Ryu is watching, probably holding a math book in front of pants.

edit: 0:55 of this video will be my new wallpaper :D

[Nirvana]

Whoa whoa whoa hold the phone. I may have misjudged the SF4 anime in its entirety. Destructoid has a post called Weekend Destructainment: Thunder Grope! (http://www.destructoid.com/weekend-destructainment-thunder-grope--123270.phtml) that makes the anime look fantastic. It's Crimson Viper and Cammy fighting. Crimson Viper punches Cammy right in the baby maker than gropes her tits. The whole while Ryu is watching, probably holding a math book in front of pants.

That anime movie was pretty sweet. I liked it. They really made Cammy look weak as hell though. Pretty lame.

Any of you guys see the live action movie? >_>

I saw it. It wasn't that great. But Chris Klein has always been one of my favorite actors because of how bad and ridiculous his acting is, it makes it entertaining to watch.

[Famidrive-16]

The "let alone" part that you left out indicates that I clearly think Smash Brothers is at the bottom tier of the fighting game pile. Nice try though.

even in original context it didnt really seem that way

but still


ohhhh man

[Gamereviewgod]

But round two is another story. He's just a bit much. That same day I was still getting use to the new moves and so forth, so maybe I might have better chances now :P

He's not bad at all. Play defensive. Sit and block. When he throws the low Dhalsim punch, jump in, combo, back out. He only does two moves at a distance; that punch or the sonic boom.

Once his Revenge meter is full, don't do ANYTHING but block. Wait until he comes to you with that mid-kick that turns into Chun-Lis, block, footsweep. As soon as you take to the air with his meter charged he launches the ultra.

Don't use your specials unless they're in a combo. Play very simply, basic fierce shots and light combos you're sure you can hit. I think people overthink Seth. There's no question he's still cheap, and there's nothing you can do if you fall (he'll warp and grab), but this makes him a hell of a lot easier.

[whoisKeel]

I am loving this game! I signed up for live again just to play this online, which is nice, but is everybody having trouble getting into games? I'm always getting unable to play (etc.), and then it has to re-search, but comes back with the same results that I can't connect to...while that songs loops over and over in the background.

What do you guys think of the new characters? I really want to like El Fuerte, but I think he sucks, and I haven't seen anybody play him very well at all. I like Abel, but I feel like he needs another move, or beef up his throwing just a tad. I find it hard to mix it up while playing him. Don't care for Rufus, but C.Viper seems really cool. I need to learn her next. Gouken is badass, has some really sweet juggling combos. Nobody is ever playing him online, but I'm always seeing Akumas. I think they should nerf his ultra raging demon a bit, it's way too easy to do.

Anybody unlock seth yet? I have a weird feeling he is gonna suck, even though he is so crazy as the cpu. Does he play like 1st round seth through the whole match?

[c0ldb33r]

Anybody unlock seth yet? I have a weird feeling he is gonna suck, even though he is so crazy as the cpu.
Seth is okay. I've only played him a few times. I find it weird with him that his Sonic Boom is done with a fireball motion instead of a charging motion.

[Nirvana]

I am loving this game! I signed up for live again just to play this online, which is nice, but is everybody having trouble getting into games? I'm always getting unable to play (etc.), and then it has to re-search, but comes back with the same results that I can't connect to...while that songs loops over and over in the background.

What do you guys think of the new characters? I really want to like El Fuerte, but I think he sucks, and I haven't seen anybody play him very well at all. I like Abel, but I feel like he needs another move, or beef up his throwing just a tad. I find it hard to mix it up while playing him. Don't care for Rufus, but C.Viper seems really cool. I need to learn her next. Gouken is badass, has some really sweet juggling combos. Nobody is ever playing him online, but I'm always seeing Akumas. I think they should nerf his ultra raging demon a bit, it's way too easy to do.

Anybody unlock seth yet? I have a weird feeling he is gonna suck, even though he is so crazy as the cpu. Does he play like 1st round seth through the whole match?

Yeah, getting matches is kind of a hassle, but just keep getting at it. I usually do quick match, and immediately press up then A. For some reason that last person usually works.

As for the new characters...eh. I think out of the 4, Rufus is the most competitive. He has some excellent moves, but I'm not a big fan of his character design. Abel ain't bad either, but I have yet to face a good one. Crimson Viper is a badass, but she is pretty complicated. She seems like she was taken right out of an SNK game. She's weaker and takes more damage, but I definitely think she has potential. Also, I plan on figuring out how to use El Fuerte correctly eventually. I really think he has a lot of potential since his running can possibly get confusing for other people.

As for the Raging Demon being nerfed, I'll have to politely disagree with it being too strong. One thing about it is that you can see it coming from a mile away; once you see that jab coming, you know it's going to happen (at least when facing a player) It doesn't go through fireballs, you have a LOT of time to jump over it (unless you are recovering from a move, in which you probably deserve it o_O ), and you can hit him with a special move if you time it right (Flash kick, Cannon Spike, etc). I love facing Akumas because they take so much damage.

[jedimind7]

What I do is just create my own match. It takes less than 10 seconds for someone to join.

[Dastardly Dylan]

I got the game at NAVA on Saturday (I actually had money) and I managed to buy it. The game changes my life in several different directions.

I'm trying to unlock all the characters right now and until then I'll see everyone online and we can battle it out on my Microsoft Xbox Three Hundred and Sixty Computer Entertainment System.

FIGHT!

[jedimind7]

Ive never really been into fighting games that much being that im not very good but im having so much fun with SFIV. I've been doing decent as well with like winning 53% of my matches. If anyone on here wants to play against me just send me a message on xbox live.

So who do yall like fighting as? I usually roll with Cammy, Rose, and Sakura.

[Nirvana]

I just finished Cammy's 5th Hard Trial today :) God, it was so much easier than her 2nd Trial. That one was just brutal.


Ive never really been into fighting games that much being that im not very good but im having so much fun with SFIV. I've been doing decent as well with like winning 53% of my matches. If anyone on here wants to play against me just send me a message on xbox live.

So who do yall like fighting as? I usually roll with Cammy, Rose, and Sakura.

Cammy since her debut :)

[backguard]

Does anyone have any experience with fighting sticks vs the ps3 controller? are moves easier to pull off? i only have the ps3 controller and have trouble with getting my dudes to do what i ask them to. makes the challenges hard as ___.

[Arcade_Ness]

Cammy, Rose, and Sakura here too. I'd like to pick up learning Chun Li at some point.

[DreamTR]

If anyone wants to play me ( I need to practice up for Round 3 of the GameStop tournament on March 14) send me a message to Dream Theater for XBOX Live and a Friend Request!

[Gamereviewgod]

Anyone know of when MadCatz is putting more pads in stores? They're hitting ridiculous prices on eBay, especially for a corded controller (on the 360 at least).

[Nirvana]

Anyone know of when MadCatz is putting more pads in stores? They're hitting ridiculous prices on eBay, especially for a corded controller (on the 360 at least).

I've heard that stores will be receiving shipments late March/early July. Vague, I know, but I've heard that from Gamestops all around.

[Gamereviewgod]

I've heard that stores will be receiving shipments late March/early July. Vague, I know, but I've heard that from Gamestops all around.

Wow did Madcatz botch this one then. Really could use one, but I'm not paying the $80+ they're going for on eBay, and the $100+ on Amazon.

[whoisKeel]

As for the Raging Demon being nerfed, I'll have to politely disagree with it being too strong. One thing about it is that you can see it coming from a mile away; once you see that jab coming, you know it's going to happen (at least when facing a player) It doesn't go through fireballs, you have a LOT of time to jump over it (unless you are recovering from a move, in which you probably deserve it o_O ), and you can hit him with a special move if you time it right (Flash kick, Cannon Spike, etc). I love facing Akumas because they take so much damage.

See I think that jab is one of the things that makes it so brutal. It is so easy to combo with the quickest hits in the game. If you are seeing Raging Demon from a mile away, they are either doing it from too far away or it is taking them more than 1 try, or you are really that good. Do a crouching medium kick into raging demon or a cross up jump kick into jab/raging demon, and that thing is just brutal. Sure, other characters can ultra combo similar this, but the timing is much, much more intense. I'm OK with the super, but the ultra takes almost 1/2 life on some characters. Too easy to do for the amount of damage IMO, and there's little recover time when you miss. (Haven't tried yet, can you focus attack into raging demon? I bet you can.)

I also think Blanka and Zangief are too strong, but Zangief is one of my favorites, so I won't complain. I think EX hundred slap should be nerfed a bit as well. Balrog seems very good in this game as well, but I don't know him well enough to make any accusations.

I played around some more with El Fuerte, and... He gets little priority on anything other than his throws. His heavy crouch kick is entirely too slow. I think he's a fun character, and most people kick me from game when I win as him :) It's almost like it is more of an insult to win as El Fuerte than Dan. I can't get the timing right on that charge kick move yet...and I usually miss on the dash/fierce suplex thing...I won't give up on him yet, but I don't think he's a serious contender.


-

One other thing, has ANYBODY gotten a double KO on live? I have not, and I think a few should have. Also, I got one on arcade mode Seth, and instead of going to round 4 traditionally, and I HAD TO CONTINUE. I thought that was seriously lame. You don't have electrical powers? Lame!

[Nirvana]

See I think that jab is one of the things that makes it so brutal. It is so easy to combo with the quickest hits in the game. If you are seeing Raging Demon from a mile away, they are either doing it from too far away or it is taking them more than 1 try, or you are really that good. Do a crouching medium kick into raging demon or a cross up jump kick into jab/raging demon, and that thing is just brutal. Sure, other characters can ultra combo similar this, but the timing is much, much more intense. I'm OK with the super, but the ultra takes almost 1/2 life on some characters. Too easy to do for the amount of damage IMO, and there's little recover time when you miss. (Haven't tried yet, can you focus attack into raging demon? I bet you can.)

I also think Blanka and Zangief are too strong, but Zangief is one of my favorites, so I won't complain. I think EX hundred slap should be nerfed a bit as well. Balrog seems very good in this game as well, but I don't know him well enough to make any accusations.

I played around some more with El Fuerte, and... He gets little priority on anything other than his throws. His heavy crouch kick is entirely too slow. I think he's a fun character, and most people kick me from game when I win as him :) It's almost like it is more of an insult to win as El Fuerte than Dan. I can't get the timing right on that charge kick move yet...and I usually miss on the dash/fierce suplex thing...I won't give up on him yet, but I don't think he's a serious contender.


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One other thing, has ANYBODY gotten a double KO on live? I have not, and I think a few should have. Also, I got one on arcade mode Seth, and instead of going to round 4 traditionally, and I HAD TO CONTINUE. I thought that was seriously lame. You don't have electrical powers? Lame!

Yeah, those are some good points about Akuma. I dunno, maybe it's just a matchup problem with who you use? I use Cammy, and I make sure to never fight Akuma at a distance. I make him stay on his toes. Usually Akumas like to throw air fireballs , then when you get close they try to trip you or Shoryuken you. I try to mix it up by fighting real close to him, backing off occasionally. Yes, you can focus attack into a Raging Demon, i believe that's one of the challenges. It requires an EX cancel though, so not a lot of Akuma players will use it unless they are cream of the crop.

El Fuerte is super fun to use. I was playing some Player Matches earlier to see if I can get better with him, but I didn't do as well as I'd like. I tried to confuse the opponent by running all over the place but it didn't work out as well. However, this was before I did his normal challenges. I'm a bit more used to his moves now, so I think I will give it another go tonight. I honestly think he can become a viable character.

Double KO? Can't say I've gotten that.

[GnawRadar]

Yeah, those are some good points about Akuma. I dunno, maybe it's just a matchup problem with who you use? I use Cammy, and I make sure to never fight Akuma at a distance. I make him stay on his toes. Usually Akumas like to throw air fireballs , then when you get close they try to trip you or Shoryuken you. I try to mix it up by fighting real close to him, backing off occasionally. Yes, you can focus attack into a Raging Demon, i believe that's one of the challenges. It requires an EX cancel though, so not a lot of Akuma players will use it unless they are cream of the crop.

I just want to clarify, that you don't need to focus cancel after a focus attack into the raging demon. As long as you are quick enough you can successfully pull that off, plus there isn't anything to focus cancel. You can't focus cancel a focus attack, but you do need to start to dash before the attack finishes.

[Nirvana]

I just want to clarify, that you don't need to focus cancel after a focus attack into the raging demon. As long as you are quick enough you can successfully pull that off, plus there isn't anything to focus cancel. You can't focus cancel a focus attack, but you do need to start to dash before the attack finishes.

Oooh. That is actually what I meant; you need to dash first. My bad.

I just noticed this yesterday; Akuma can't get you immediately on the wakeup with a Raging Demon. I faced a couple of them yesterday that tried this, and I was able to jump out of the way even as he was pushing towards my character with the animation.

[Mayhem]

Yeah, many reversals will counter an RD on wake-up it seems, a mate says he managed to spin piledrive Akuma with Zangief when getting up too.

[MarioMania]

I'm seeing on ebay and amazon the Fightpads for 360/PS3 going as high as $80..it's only been a month since the game been out

[G-Boobie]

I'm seeing on ebay and amazon the Fightpads for 360/PS3 going as high as $80..it's only been a month since the game been out

You should see the waiting list on Lizard Lick and Arcade In A Box.

Street Fighter IV brought on the arcade stick apocalypse.

[Trumpman]

I really want some sort of arcade controller, but whether it will be the FightPad or a stick is still unknown. For those that have it, is the Tournament Edition of the MadCatz Stick really worth the $150 it will cost when more are made? Or should I get the lower-quality edition or the Pad instead? Not sure, but I do know one thing - the 360 controller sucks ass.

[c0ldb33r]

I've had this for a few weeks.

A few new comments.

Any unblockable hits are lame. I don't care if I can avoid it, I should be able to block it. It doesn't even make sense from any perspective. Why are most of Ryu's punches blockable, but watch out if you press MK+MP, somehow THAT makes a punch unblockable?!? wtf?

Also, throws are just as lame now as they were on SF2 SO FUCK OFF WITH THROWS THEY ARE SO LAME.

Done!

[Famidrive-16]

Also, throws are just as lame now as they were on SF2 SO FUCK OFF WITH THROWS THEY ARE SO LAME.



hmm yes i'll just stick to zangief's projectiles

[c0ldb33r]

hmm yes i'll just stick to zangief's projectiles
Zangief can suck the fattest part of my ass.

Also, I'm getting sick of fighting Ken and Akuma. It's such a pleasure when I get to fight someone else, even if I get my ass handed to me. Except Zangief. He should be removed. And killed.

Plus, why do I have to always be the first to elect my character? Whenever I play online, the other person won't select their character until I select mine. Screw off with that already!

And why can't I see someone's BP when I go into a match? If I play a ranked match why on earth is there such a huge difference between the BPs of me and my opponent? I'm always fighting someone with like 1000 less or 1000 more. Those battles aren't really much fun for anyone.

AND WHEN IS THE DLC THAT ALLOWS ME TO STOP LISTENING TO THAT GAY CHRISTIAN MUSIC OFF??

Finally, there needs to be an option for when creating your own matches, you should be able to fine tune lots of options. Namely, I should be able to restrict which characters can be used, which moves, no supers, no ultras, no throws, etc.. etc..

edit: Well, I played some more online after this post and am giving up of SF4. No one plays anything but Ken/Ryu/Akuma/etc... They all use annoying throws and those unblockable hits just as you're getting up from being knocked down. They probably think that's quite witty? I don't know. I personally don't think it is as everyone else does it too. That's actually the problem. I know someone will say "you can just do X or Y" and ... yeah, maybe you're right, but I don't feel that I should have to. The people playing this game online are for the most part pricks and they're not worth wasting time on.

If this weren't online, you could say to your buddy to stop playing like such a prick. On the internet that's either not possible or the people wouldn't listen anyway. Playing single player is absolutely unrewarding because of Seth. I wish I had waited until this game was $20.00, as I spent full price on this disaster.

How is HD Remix online? Are the same pricks playing that too?

[G-Boobie]

I've had this for a few weeks.

A few new comments.

Any unblockable hits are lame. I don't care if I can avoid it, I should be able to block it. It doesn't even make sense from any perspective. Why are most of Ryu's punches blockable, but watch out if you press MK+MP, somehow THAT makes a punch unblockable?!? wtf?

Also, throws are just as lame now as they were on SF2 SO FUCK OFF WITH THROWS THEY ARE SO LAME.

Done!

Sigh...

I'd link to the 'You can lead a scrub to water' article, but why bother.

And if you think you're going to avoid throws, overheads, cross ups, and Akuma by switching to HD Remix, boy do you have a surprise coming.

[Phyeir]

Does anyone have any experience with fighting sticks vs the ps3 controller? are moves easier to pull off? i only have the ps3 controller and have trouble with getting my dudes to do what i ask them to. makes the challenges hard as ___.

Invest in a fight stick if you can, because some moves feel impossible without. If anyone can do the charge back, forward, back, forward each time without a fight stick, I'd like to see that. You need one for those moves.

[Nirvana]

*long post*

Well, there's nothing I can really say to change your mind about the game. Did you buy a fightpad? I'd be willing to buy them off of you if you did.

[G-Boobie]

OK... I'm going there.


Zangief can suck the fattest part of my ass.

Also, I'm getting sick of fighting Ken and Akuma. It's such a pleasure when I get to fight someone else, even if I get my ass handed to me. Except Zangief. He should be removed. And killed.

Try playing in player matches. BP are worthless anyway, and you'll actually play against non-shoto characters.


Plus, why do I have to always be the first to elect my character? Whenever I play online, the other person won't select their character until I select mine. Screw off with that already!

Come on. If they're only playing Ken, Ryu, or Akuma, what does it matter?

Man up.


And why can't I see someone's BP when I go into a match? If I play a ranked match why on earth is there such a huge difference between the BPs of me and my opponent? I'm always fighting someone with like 1000 less or 1000 more. Those battles aren't really much fun for anyone.

Go to 'edit status', and change your arcade request preference to 'same skill'. Not only will it improve your experience with actually getting into matches, but you can mess around in arcade mode while you wait. Problem solved.


Finally, there needs to be an option for when creating your own matches, you should be able to fine tune lots of options. Namely, I should be able to restrict which characters can be used, which moves, no supers, no ultras, no throws, etc.. etc..

Fuck it. I'm linking it (http://shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/PonderCheapness).

Here's the thing: characters are balanced with all their moves, supers, ultras, and, God help us, THROWS in mind. By limiting what can and can't be used, you're effectively screwing with the game balance.

That's fine for offline play against friends and so on, but online? To hell with that.

What you really mean is, "I want to be able to turn off the things that I can't defend against", which basically translates into "I keep losing and it's pissing me off!". Well, we all lose sometimes. Hows about you learn to play better from it instead of dreaming up ways in which you could win?


edit: Well, I played some more online after this post and am giving up of SF4. No one plays anything but Ken/Ryu/Akuma/etc... They all use annoying throws and those unblockable hits just as you're getting up from being knocked down. They probably think that's quite witty? I don't know. I personally don't think it is as everyone else does it too.

Well, yeah. Because you can't seem to deal with it, so they WIN. which is why they're PLAYING ONLINE.


That's actually the problem. I know someone will say "you can just do X or Y" and ... yeah, maybe you're right, but I don't feel that I should have to. The people playing this game online are for the most part pricks and they're not worth wasting time on.

What the Hell are you talking about, dude? This is a COMPETITIVE FIGHTING GAME. What DO you think you should be able to do? Just mash a random button?

Are they 'pricks' because they keep tick throwing or crossing you up? Are they pricks because you're losing? What's the deal here?


How is HD Remix online? Are the same pricks playing that too?

See above response. Good luck.

[c0ldb33r]

Come on guys, cool down a bit. It shouldn't matter to you whether I play SF4 or not. People can say and do whatever they want to defend the game, but as long as I'm not having fun playing it, I'm not going to play it. If you want to keep playing it, go nuts. I don't care either way.

I guess the only way my comments should piss people off is if someone that actually works at Capcom and made SF4 is a regular at this board and I was insulting his/her work. Otherwise, calm down.


Well, there's nothing I can really say to change your mind about the game. Did you buy a fightpad? I'd be willing to buy them off of you if you did.
And no, sorry - I never bought one. I would still like to buy one though, just to use with the Sega Genesis Collection.

[DreamTR]

Come on guys, cool down a bit. It shouldn't matter to you whether I play SF4 or not. People can say and do whatever they want to defend the game, but as long as I'm not having fun playing it, I'm not going to play it. If you want to keep playing it, go nuts. I don't care either way.

I guess the only way my comments should piss people off is if someone that actually works at Capcom and made SF4 is a regular at this board and I was insulting his/her work. Otherwise, calm down.


And no, sorry - I never bought one. I would still like to buy one though, just to use with the Sega Genesis Collection.

I hate to say it, but it's typical inexperience talk that makes everyone say "Zangief is too good" "This game sucks", etc. You realize you need to find ways to keep him out like in every other SF game, right? Jumping straight up and down with a move that hits the high and low lariat keeps him from trying to grab you, and stops the lariat cold. Heck, you can even go into combos from that, and characters for the most part all have anti-air moves to stop it.

Since most of the nation is on a SF4 craze now, I hate to be the one to bring everyone down to reality, but 25,000 or so people played in the GameStop tournament (which is now down to 576 or so) and I can assure you only about 300 of those actually know how to play SF at a decent level where they aren't Ken/Ryu/Sagat spamming Fballs and uppercuts and doing wake up moves all day. That's the majority of SF players now, and they all think they know how to play the game. Easiest part is waiting for someone to make mistakes. That's how you win. You control the game vs Zangief no matter who you are. He HAS to come to you.


And seriously, what is this scrub talk you said here:

Any unblockable hits are lame. I don't care if I can avoid it, I should be able to block it. It doesn't even make sense from any perspective. Why are most of Ryu's punches blockable, but watch out if you press MK+MP, somehow THAT makes a punch unblockable?!? wtf?

Also, throws are just as lame now as they were on SF2 SO FUCK OFF WITH THROWS THEY ARE SO LAME.

Done!

Unblockable hits can be stopped if you use Armor Break moves. Read the manual. Learn what moves stop those moves. Heck, THROW THEM OUT OF IT.

And you think throws are lame? You sound like one of those random arcade people from 1991. You know you can tech out of the throws, right? Throws add a whole new dimension of the game. By virtue of your logic, you should just be able to "turtle" and sit there blocking everything. How would someone even get hit? That's the worst design I have ever heard, and just complaints from the typical random person who whines when he loses.

[c0ldb33r]

...
Look, like I said, don't worry about it. If you like SF4, keep playing it - I don't care. It's just not for me. I don't know what else I can say.

[Geddon_jt]

Look, like I said, don't worry about it. If you like SF4, keep playing it - I don't care. It's just not for me. I don't know what else I can say.

I think we all know how it can be frustrating as hell to not be able to enjoy a game because you have difficulty becoming good at it - especially fighting games. Fighting games take a lot of time and dedication if you really want to learn to play them well. In the meantime, they are completely unforgiving in that you just keep losing, which of course discourages you from playing. So I know where you are coming from, even though I don't agree with the logic of many of your criticisms. :)

I felt that way when WCW v. NWO came out on Nintendo 64. I *could not* win at that game.

[jedimind7]

I love this game and im someone who never plays fighters because im terrible at them. Im not great or anything at this game... decent I would say and I havent even learned how to do the focus cancel or whatever its called along with all the other ''advanced'' moves.

I could care less that you dont like the game. Thats your opinion and you can choose not to like it for whatever reasons. But its just my opinion that some of the things you complained about were a bit silly.

[blissfulnoise]

I should note that I got my first negative feedback on XBL because of Street Fighter IV. 13% of players have reported me for being "Unsportsmanlike". Likely due to the fact that I beat their Kens and Akumas by playing as Dan making sure to taunt and super taunt at every possible opportunity.

There are a lot of scrubs on XBL. The ones who hesitate on picking their character before going right over to Ken make me laugh the most.

I'm a big fan of Abel. His down+fierce into Falling Sky is a thing of beauty.

Are there any regular DP XBL nights for some SFIV action? I'd like to throw up against some of the locals :)

[Famidrive-16]

I should note that I got my first negative feedback on XBL because of Street Fighter IV. 13% of players have reported me for being "Unsportsmanlike". Likely due to the fact that I beat their Kens and Akumas by playing as Dan making sure to taunt and super taunt at every possible opportunity.


I got soooo much negative rep on SFIIHD. If you beat someone's Sagat with Zangief in Ranked they'll hate you for life. Thankfully I've had an overall great experience on IV and the positive's are bouncing up.

[Nirvana]

Hahaha. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I'm a total asshole when I get someone dizzy. I taunt, then do my Super to finish them off.

I get -feedback.

[.Singe]

Ah SFIV.

My older brother brought this home for the first time, and we turned off the PS3 after 45 minutes after losing repeatedly to Seth.

The next day? We had unlocked all the characters. The mechanics take time to get used to, and when you do it all becomes clear.

I hate playing Zangief, but how else do you learn?

The idea of unblockable attacks came from SFIII's parry system, there's risk instead of miscalculating a few frames while you continue blocking.

Throws? They're part of the game, best learn to deal with them. If you're getting up off the ground, here's a hint - jump backwards or just grab as you're getting up, you'll tech the throw.

As for the Ken/Akuma/Ryu players - play as Gouken, you'll make them cry.

[whoisKeel]

Try playing player matches. I see way more Ryu/Ken/Akuma/Sagat on ranked matches. People experiment more on player matches (I prefer them).

Also, I love throws. I use them constantly. The only thing better than throws is Blanka's neck bite grab. :)

I have seen a few people getting better at El Fuerte the last week or so. It seems like whenever I play as him, people leave after the match, as if I'm just not taking things seriously :) Strangely, I have yet to see anybody all that great as Gouken. He seems slow and easy to predict, but I still think the potential is there.


Still waiting on a double K.O. online...

[Nirvana]

Player Matches are pretty sweet. I personally think that it shouldn't count toward your Win/Loss Ratio, or at least have a seperate record. I didn't notice it affected my record until it was too late. I was too busy experimenting with different characters.

I have a 75% winning percentage when it honestly could be about 80%.

And about the fight pads. I'm gonna copy and paste my opinion on them from another forum.

Madcatz/Capcom/Whoever is really intent on making these guys "limited edition," but it isn't fair for people who don't have access to an overall better gamepad. I have a Ryu and Ken gamepad, so I'm all set. However, I do feel sympathy towards people who are turned off by the game because they don't like the X-Box 360 gamepad, since it is pretty shitty when compared to the fightpads.

I personally think that they should keep the distribution of the current fightpads as they are, but then release newer fightpads, except with different characters. With the newer fightpads, they should distribute a much larger quantity all over and make them much more common to find. That way, the gamepads out now will keep their limited edition-ness, but everybody will be able to have access to the Genesis style of buttons and floating D-Pad.

I'd love to see a Cammy, Guile, E. Honda, Abel, etc. That'd be sweet.

[Mayhem]

As for the Ken/Akuma/Ryu players - play as Gouken, you'll make them cry.

I've played one Gouken, and I think he got picked to deal with the fireball spam. Except I know that's why he got picked, and hence I choose my timing with fireballs carefully and won out 2-0 in the match.

[GnawRadar]

I've played one Gouken, and I think he got picked to deal with the fireball spam. Except I know that's why he got picked, and hence I choose my timing with fireballs carefully and won out 2-0 in the match.

Word. Gouken has great defense, but there's nothing like using his "teleport" type attack that goes through fireballs to get in close then hitting them with a Back-Throw, which throws the opponent straight in the air, and hitting them with the Ultra Shin-Shoryuken on the way down for the win.

[kupomogli]

Haven't played the game in about two weeks. I went over to my friends and lost the first match against Jordan. That first match was more of a warm up and Jordan did get better. After one more loss I didn't lose another match afterwards.

We ended up switching out after every loss, meaning I kept the controller the entire time, beating Jordan, Steve, and Matt.

It wasn't until I was around 50 wins that Matt got pissed off as hell. He mainly got pissed off because I'd time my jumps to kick him then combo him from behind. If he used Zangief, he'd hit me with one attack if he was lucky, and the only other characters he chose were Sagat, Cammy, or Guile. Because he couldn't turtle me with Guile as I'd low kick him, jump over him, resulting in pushing myself into the corner with a kick, then combo him from behind, he got extremely pissed off and say the game was one of the most unbalanced fighters he's ever played. I'd beg to differ as Street Fighter 4 is probably the most balanced, period.

After that we didn't play Street Fighter 4 anymore. He got up after his turn and punched his 360(resulting in it resetting.) I was like O_O.

[Wolfrider]

Ok, I'm going to have to step to colb33r's defense here guys. One thing I really dislike in the fighting game community is the tendency to reject valid critique by throwing the word "scrub" around.

Myth: Fighting games are perfectly balanced and if you disagree you don't know how to play them. Wrong. All fighting games are balanced to various degrees. Tier lists develop, infinite combos are found, exploits in the system are discovered. Street Fighter is not perfectly balanced either. Sorry, that's just the way it is. Often people deal with it by adjusting their play styles around the imbalances or just accepting the game as it is. Unbalanced does not equal unplayable or un-win-able.

In the case of SFIV, and I've made my opinion on this clear, I happen to agree with coldb33r's general sentiments. I'm a bit of a fighting game aficionado - though Street Fighter surprisingly was never my "thing". I respect most of the games though, just knew that I wasn't that into them. SFIV, however, is different. I don't dislike it due to personal tastes, I dislike it because I think there are some serious design issues in the games overall architecture.

Throws: I like throws, throws are fine and needed in any fighting game as a blunt against turtling. Why are so many "scrubs" complaining about the throw system in SFIV? Because, to put it in academic terms, SFIV's throw system is RETARDED. There's no real logic to the timing of throws. Characters can, in one frame, go from being hit and staggering to immediately grabbing their opponent. Throws should be a defensive counter usually, offensive move in rare cases, but never should they be usable when getting hit. It destroys the flow of the game. If you're open to throws defensively AND offensively the entire game becomes schizophrenic and haphazard - which is what many SFIV fights amount to - panicked fireball throwing and bouncing around the arena. If you enjoy that - fine. But people who don't do have valid reasoning for it.

Take a much speedier fighting game like Guilty Gear. That never happens. There are checks and balances to everything your opponent throws at you and although the game moves fast, careful concentrated and elaborate strategies can be executed effectively due to all characters having the ability to deal with all moves appropriately.

This doesn't happen in SFIV. Yes, if you're an excellent Street Fighter, then you can probably use any character effectively to get around the games humps - but that's not balance. The system in SFIV is character oriented - meaning all the little nuances are about pure memorization. "I'm playing Fei Long and against Sagat so I'm going to have to do this move to jump over his fireballs etc..." of course that strategy no longer works if it's against another character. That's not good. Take a fabulously balanced fighter like Virtua Fighter: it doesn't matter who I'm fighting against or who I'm using, I can deal with oncoming attacks by sidestepping, rolling back, forwards, left right, doing a rising attack, and quick rise etc etc. For Guilty Gear I can dash back and forth, use that little defensive projectile .... thing, etc.

In SFIV? It's all about memorizing combinations and specific situations. You might like that, but to me that's lousy fighting game design.

All of this might be forgivable if SFIV (apparently designed with casual gamers in mind) did anything to properly train the player. The manual is less than adequate, the training mode is a joke (VF4: Evolution anyone?), and it in no way attempts to explain the techniques needed for successful play. I'm not talking advanced techniques, I'm talking about the bare basics of how the game operates.

An anecdote: Last night I popped in SFIV again to give it another try. I got my ass handed to me multiple times while playing Sakura. Now, Sakura I know basically how to use. I know her moves some combos etc. Not enough to play deeply with her though, so I assumed the reason I was getting beat down was because I was just playing poorly.

Then, by accident, I picked Abel. Damn. Well I wasn't going to drop out - but I wasn't looking forward to my next match - I never used him before.

5 match win streak. Including two perfects. With a character I had no idea how to use. No button combos, nothing. The character was just built better than Sakura. Could I get good at using Sakura? Of course I could. Should there be that big a discrepancy between two characters? In a balanced, well designed fighting game - never.

[kupomogli]

Street Fighter is anything but memorization. You play one round with one character in any SF game and right there is all the memorization you need. How many attacks and such do you think Street Fighter has in it? It's not like Tekken and it's 15 button press combos. Now Tekken is nothing more than memorization.

That said. Abel isn't hard to play as is why you did so well(though maybe his fighting style was better for you, or you may have played against worse opponents.) The character is probably the easiest character to start as due to his attacks are "press direction and button." But just because he's easy to play as doesn't mean he's overpowered, you have to learn the best way to play with him. So saying SF4 isn't a well balanced fighter just because Abel is a far easier character to actually be good with is just bs.

However, I for one do agree with the grab thing you mentioned. While Zangief isn't overpowered in the least, the fact that you can be doing low punches on him and he comes in with a grab even while being staggered. To me, that's just plain stupid.

[Wolfrider31]

Street Fighter is anything but memorization. You play one round with one character in any SF game and right there is all the memorization you need. How many attacks and such do you think Street Fighter has in it? It's not like Tekken and it's 15 button press combos. Now Tekken is nothing more than memorization.

That said. Abel isn't hard to play as is why you did so well(though maybe his fighting style was better for you, or you may have played against worse opponents.) The character is probably the easiest character to start as due to his attacks are "press direction and button." But just because he's easy to play as doesn't mean he's overpowered, you have to learn the best way to play with him.

However, I for one do agree with the grab thing you mentioned. While Zangief isn't overpowered in the least, the fact that you can be doing low punches on him and he comes in with a grab even while being staggered. To me, that's just plain stupid.

I'm not arguing that anyone is over-powered. I don't think anyone is (maybe Seth but whatever). I'm arguing that being able to perform so much better with one character that I've never used before, and another that I know relatively well is a bit silly. It could indeed have been because I was fighting against weaker opponents - but it was all random so that seems unlikely.

[kupomogli]

Balrog is the hardest character to learn to play as well. What's the difference? One character being easier to use for a beginner doesn't mean the game isn't as balanced.

It's true that no fighter is perfectly balanced, but that doesn't change the fact that Street Fighter is the closest any series has came. If you ask me, the only fighter that could be considered as balanced as the Street Fighter series is Garou Mark of the Wolves(my opinion only though.)

Your mention of Guilty Gear, though? You must not know about the infinite combos that those games carry? Other than with Dhalsim, Street Fighter has no infinites. Let's not forget the amount of so called "combos" in Guilty Gear that consist of doing the exact same attacks over and over once you hit them with the first of that specific attack.

If you're a Street Fighter fan, you've most likely seen this. If not, you need to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7cW2nMf1gk It's a video of Daigo Umehara, who's probably the best Street Fighter player ever.

[Wolfrider31]

Balrog is the hardest character to learn to play as well. What's the difference? One character being easier to use for a beginner doesn't mean the game isn't as balanced.

It's true that no fighter is perfectly balanced, but that doesn't change the fact that Street Fighter is the closest any series has came. If you ask me, the only fighter that could be considered as balanced as the Street Fighter series is Garou Mark of the Wolves(my opinion only though.)

Your mention of Guilty Gear, though? You must not know about the infinite combos that those games carry? Other than with Dhalsim, Street Fighter has no infinites. Let's not forget the amount of so called "combos" in Guilty Gear that consist of doing the exact same attacks over and over once you hit them with the first of that specific attack.

If you're a Street Fighter fan, you've most likely seen this. If not, you need to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7cW2nMf1gk

I've seen that. And as I indicated, I respect the other games (earlier in the post I even said that SFIII was brilliant). My criticisms lie with SFIV only.

And haven't infinite combos just recently been discovered in SFIV? But as far as SFIV being the most balanced fighter ever... well... I can only balk at that. Especially considering you believed Garou is its only runner up. I think Virtua Fighter easily wins that round - and I don't even think there's a lot of debate on that point in the fighting game community.

Regardless of whether you like SFIV or not, my point in posting was to say that people who dislike SFIV dislike it for legitimate reasons and not because they are "scrubs".

[norkusa]

I just got SFIV in a trade Monday and it's the best Street Fighter game yet IMO. The canceling challenges are driving me insane though. Must have tried at least 100 times with Dhalsim and Ken and I can't pull a single cancel move off. I'm using a stick and doing the moves as fast as I can, but they still aren't canceling for some reason. Any tips?

[Wolfrider31]

I just got SFIV in a trade Monday and it's the best Street Fighter game yet IMO. The canceling challenges are driving me insane though. Must have tried at least 100 times with Dhalsim and Ken and I can't pull a single cancel move off. I'm using a stick and doing the moves as fast as I can, but they still aren't canceling for some reason. Any tips?

Pre-order BlazBlue and KOF.

*Runs* :)

[norkusa]

Seriously, any tips on how to do the cancels? Is it basically supposed to be 2 moves in a row in one fast, single motion? Or can I take my time with them?

For Ken, the first one you're supposed to do is a heavy kick canceling into a hadooken. I can do a heavy kick and I can do a hadoken, but I can't put them together for a cancel. I'm thinking it has to do with the timing but I dunno.

[G-Boobie]

Seriously, any tips on how to do the cancels? Is it basically supposed to be 2 moves in a row in one fast, single motion? Or can I take my time with them?

For Ken, the first one you're supposed to do is a heavy kick canceling into a hadooken. I can do a heavy kick and I can do a hadoken, but I can't put them together for a cancel. I'm thinking it has to do with the timing but I dunno.

The timing for canceling in SF IV is pretty strict: usually in the 1 frame area. That's 1/60th of a second. So yeah, it's your timing.

All the general tricks for canceling into combos from previous Street Fighter games apply here. A brief overview:

Basically, a cancel is cutting the animation for any move short, usually(but not always) in order to cut out the part of the animation that takes place after a move hits your opponent(known as 'recovery time', or 'recovery frames'). That allows you to continue to hit an opponent for free while they're stuck in hit or block stun.

The easiest way to figure out when you're supposed to input the command for the next move is to input the commands for a combo chain in sequence in one smooth fluid motion. If that doesn't work right off the bat(which it probably won't), some experimentation with input timing is probably required. YouTube videos can help you figure it out with some of the later trials.

A few general, non specific tips for getting combos to work properly:

1) When you start your chain, be as close to your opponent as you can. Every hit in a combo will push you farther away from the dude you're stomping on. This is especially important to remember for combos that start with 'jumping in': Jump in as close as you can without jumping over your opponent. Same with standing combos: get to the point where you're almost pushing the guy away before you start hitting him.

2) For some inputs, you can begin a special move stick input while your character is in the middle of a normal attack. Just by way of example, you can begin a charge for Blanka's roll while either jumping in, or doing the face bite grab, or even in the middle of an FA or normal move that has a long recovery time.

The important thing to take away from that is that attack animations will not be interrupted by movement inputs. Once you get that firmly in mind, picturing how a combo is structured becomes easier: for the kick into hadoken you're having trouble with, try inputing the HCF P motion as soon as the animation for the kick begins. Adjust from there.

3) Practice makes perfect ;)

Do you play on 360 or PSN?

[G-Boobie]

And haven't infinite combos just recently been discovered in SFIV? But as far as SFIV being the most balanced fighter ever... well... I can only balk at that. Especially considering you believed Garou is its only runner up. I think Virtua Fighter easily wins that round - and I don't even think there's a lot of debate on that point in the fighting game community.

The idea that Street Fighter IV is the most balanced fighter ever is ridiculous, and stretches even hyperbole to the breaking point. I sure as Hell never said that. I'm with you on that one.

And Garou? really? Huh. I'm with you there, too.


Regardless of whether you like SFIV or not, my point in posting was to say that people who dislike SFIV dislike it for legitimate reasons and not because they are "scrubs".

If the argument had been presented in a calm, rational, collected manner, I wouldn't have responded in the way I did. It wasn't. The argument was five hundred words that could be summarized as "I'm getting beaten online because I didn't learn the system and therefore I hate it".

If Coldb33r, whom I like quite a bit by the way, had provided some valid technical reasons for his dislike of Street Fighter IV, such as priority of certain character's moves or the weird, floaty feel that jumps have in comparison to prior games, or even how badly they nerfed Vega, I'd have left well enough alone. He didn't though, and here we are.

Oh, and Kupo? You really don't know what you're talking about. Street Fighter is quite a bit about memorization. All fighting games are, at least at mid to high level. Guilty Gear has a damage scaling system in place that reduces damage for every hit you take in a combo: eventually, every hit will do a pixel of damage, so even infinites have extremely limited uses. There's green blocking, and there's your handy dandy burst gauge. Infinites, assuming they exist(and I haven't seen any), are pretty much worthless in Guilty Gear.

Street Fighter III has at LEAST one infinite (Oro), and two seriously broken characters (Chun Li and Yun). The only Street Fighter game with balance even close to Guilty Gear is Super Turbo, and I call happy accident on that one.

We're not even going to talk about Garou. All I have to say is 'Kevin', and that's the end of that.

[norkusa]

Thanks a lot for that explanation, g-boobie. Makes more sense to me now. Especially the part about being close to your opponent when you do the cancels.

I guess I gotta keep practicing although I think I'd do better with one of those new SFIV pads instead of this DOA4 stick. Stick feels real loose and it's hard to tell if I'm hitting the motions properly. Or I can just wait until March when the TE sticks are supposed to be back in stock.

I'm playing on 360 (as Norkusa). Add me if you want but I just got the game Monday, so I'm still trying to get the hang of all the new moves.

[c0ldb33r]

If Coldb33r, whom I like quite a bit by the way, had provided some valid technical reasons for his dislike of Street Fighter IV, such as priority of certain character's moves or the weird, floaty feel that jumps have in comparison to prior games, or even how badly they nerfed Vega, I'd have left well enough alone. He didn't though, and here we are.
Hey guys, I'm just popping back into this thread cause my name's been mentioned a few times. From my perspective, I don't really need to explain or justify to anyone why I don't like the game. And to be honest, I don't expect that anyone would really care what I had to say on the topic. I doubt that I could convince someone else to dislike the game anymore than someone else could convince me to like it. And that's okay - if other people like the game, then I wish them the best!

Now, if they release nude Cammy or C. Viper DLC... I'm there! ;)

[ubersaurus]

Street Fighter III has at LEAST one infinite (Oro), and two seriously broken characters (Chun Li and Yun). The only Street Fighter game with balance even close to Guilty Gear is Super Turbo, and I call happy accident on that one.



Heh, ST was pretty fucked up too. Akuma was way better than everyone else, with O.Sagat, Vega, Balrog, and Dhalsim pretty much rocking everyone below him. There's matchups, to be fair, so it's not a total wash, but I'd never call ST a balanced fighter. Now Hyper Fighting, on the other hand...Ryu was a beast, but he was not a particularly insurmountable beast.

I'd also give props to KOF 98 Ultimate Match, as SNK succeeded in making a game where all but one of the (non console exclusive) characters are viable in a competitive environment. Krauser is good and probably slightly better than everyone else, but has his own weak points. It's really what HD Remix set out to be with ST but for KOF, and I'd argue that SNK did a better job on the rebalance.

[Nirvana]

Dammit. I'm hitting a wall at 3800 BP. Better work on my Cammy more. This sucks.

(On a better note, I finally got the achievement for beating the game on Hardest then beating Gouken.)

[G-Boobie]

Heh, ST was pretty fucked up too. Akuma was way better than everyone else, with O.Sagat, Vega, Balrog, and Dhalsim pretty much rocking everyone below him. There's matchups, to be fair, so it's not a total wash, but I'd never call ST a balanced fighter. Now Hyper Fighting, on the other hand...Ryu was a beast, but he was not a particularly insurmountable beast.

You know, I always forget about ST Akuma. I hate that guy.


I'd also give props to KOF 98 Ultimate Match, as SNK succeeded in making a game where all but one of the (non console exclusive) characters are viable in a competitive environment. Krauser is good and probably slightly better than everyone else, but has his own weak points. It's really what HD Remix set out to be with ST but for KOF, and I'd argue that SNK did a better job on the rebalance.

I've never really gotten into KoF. Is 98 Ultimate Match a good place to start, Ubersaurus? I'm interested in learning the 'KoF way' in preparation for KoF XII.

EDIT: Norkusa: I have SF IV for PS3, so we'll have to play HD Remix on XBL... Which is cool with me if it's cool with you.

[ubersaurus]

Ultimate Match is a damn good spot to try the series out, as it's probably the highest point its had. Lots of characters, lots of variety. KOF XI is pretty fun, and different - easier to combo stuff and do moves, tag team based, etc. - but I think I like UM more.

[norkusa]

EDIT: Norkusa: I have SF IV for PS3, so we'll have to play HD Remix on XBL... Which is cool with me if it's cool with you.

Yeah, sure thing. I'm better in HD Remix anyway.

[Trumpman]

Is it me, or are the higher levels of the Challenge mode stages impossible with a 360 controller. Man I really want me one of those fight sticks. Is it worth it to splurge for the stick over the FightPad?

[G-Boobie]

Is it me, or are the higher levels of the Challenge mode stages impossible with a 360 controller. Man I really want me one of those fight sticks. Is it worth it to splurge for the stick over the FightPad?

In a word, yes.

I'd wait a few weeks though. It's bad out there in 'trying to buy a stick land'. Even the regular edition sticks are going for over a hundred bucks, and the custom stick/parts guys at Arcade In A Box, Lizard Lick, and Norris are months behind.

[DreamTR]

Balrog is the hardest character to learn to play as well. What's the difference? One character being easier to use for a beginner doesn't mean the game isn't as balanced.

It's true that no fighter is perfectly balanced, but that doesn't change the fact that Street Fighter is the closest any series has came. If you ask me, the only fighter that could be considered as balanced as the Street Fighter series is Garou Mark of the Wolves(my opinion only though.)

Your mention of Guilty Gear, though? You must not know about the infinite combos that those games carry? Other than with Dhalsim, Street Fighter has no infinites. Let's not forget the amount of so called "combos" in Guilty Gear that consist of doing the exact same attacks over and over once you hit them with the first of that specific attack.

If you're a Street Fighter fan, you've most likely seen this. If not, you need to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7cW2nMf1gk It's a video of Daigo Umehara, who's probably the best Street Fighter player ever.


????????????????????

I've seen some rubbish on this forum, but you're kidding me about all this, right?

Balrog hard to use in SF4? Dhalsim infinites? What are we even discussing?

SF4 has a system where you will get dizzy after doing successive moves with EX stock charges, which prevents infinites really from happening. Low forward fireball Focus Cancel Dash repeat will dizzy you with all stocks, but I'm not sure where any of this stuff came from.

In Guilty Gear you have damage scaling, and can pop out of most attacks...it's not like X-Men vs SF which is infinite off anything...

[Nirvana]

I'm at about 4300 BP right now. Go me :)

Also, I got all of the Personal Actions and Colors. I honestly think I have a decent shot at getting all of the achievements in this game. I'm getting a lot better at the precise timing needed for combos.

[Mayhem]

That's pretty good going... I'm sitting on about 1,300 currently having just managed to get the 10 ranked wins in a row achievement somehow. For the most part, I was just playing ranked to get that acheivement. I know I don't have the time or skill to get through the hard trials at all, and I won't be unlocked everything, not in a long shot. But I figure I can probably attempt the arcade ones...

[kupomogli]

I'm at 2300 bp.

What pisses me off playing online is the fucking turtles. They pick Gouken, Akuma, Guile, Blanka, or C. Viper and make you try that much harder to kill them because they'll stay far enough away and then just turtle until you make any sortof move.

The reason I hate it is because I have to either turtle myself or resort to doing nothing but grabs and the unblockable. They now allow for characters to block the attack that goes behind them when you jump over them, which is already easily nullified but an uppercut type of attack.

It just sucks ass that every fucking person online turtles because they suck dick at the game, making my matches that much longer because everyone playing is a fucking pussy who can't do shit.

If any of you are turtles, then fuck you too. Everytime I play and win against a turtle I message them and cuss them out. I don't if I lose only because it'd look like I'm a poor sport. I hate playing them whether I win or lose though.

Do something else if you want to do nothing but hold down/back and wait for any attack to come through.

[Damaramu]

FINALLY got a piece of the online action. Played against 2 different players; I used Zangief both times.

The first match was against Rufus, who kept pecking away at me with weak kicks or punches followed up by that spinning move that gets spammed all the time by the computer. I squashed him both rounds.

Second match was against, SURPRISE, Ryu. This player was alright, but he did the whole run quickly to the far side of the screen and spam fireballs. Though I get the feeling he doesn't fight against the Red Cyclone very often. He seemed a little...conservative for a Shoto-Spammer. I got him the first round, by a sliver. 2nd and 3rd rounds, he won also by a sliver.

Online play was pretty smooth and I was impressed with that. It's unfortunate that it wouldn't work with me outside of the Arcade mode. I REALLY hope Capcom gets a patch for that.

[kupomogli]

Street Fighter 4 is just bullshit now.

The game is a pure turtle game. I just fought eight matches with the last two beating me because they did nothing but fucking turtle. The other six players turtled and I won, but it's fucking bullshit. When the best fucking tactic is just hold down and back where NOTHING can damage except specific attacks like "Grab/Guard Break/one regular attack certain characters."

I honestly liked it on Street Fighter Alpha 3 and literally other Street Fighter beforehand that actually allowed you to get around pussies that held down and back. On SF4, jumping over their head and attacking no longer nullifies their block unless they actually let go. The first hit will be blocked and when you duck and do quick attacks all they have to do is hold the other direction.

Sure it's possibly the most balanced game, but due to people who do nothing but turtle and you have to do a perfect fucking match in order to win against the decent/good players that turtle, the game is just fucked. It's also not fun when 90% of all the players turtle because you have to win by fucking grabs. It's now official in my opinion. Even though I have many more wins than losses, Street Fighter 4 is a piece of shit fighter because it's purely designed for pussy ass bitches.

[c0ldb33r]

Everytime I play and win against a turtle I message them and cuss them out. I don't if I lose only because it'd look like I'm a poor sport. I hate playing them whether I win or lose though.
Wow, I may agree with you that SF IV online is bullshit, but man... that's a real prick thing to do.

[DreamTR]

Street Fighter 4 is just bullshit now.

The game is a pure turtle game. I just fought eight matches with the last two beating me because they did nothing but fucking turtle. The other six players turtled and I won, but it's fucking bullshit. When the best fucking tactic is just hold down and back where NOTHING can damage except specific attacks like "Grab/Guard Break/one regular attack certain characters."

I honestly liked it on Street Fighter Alpha 3 and literally other Street Fighter beforehand that actually allowed you to get around pussies that held down and back. On SF4, jumping over their head and attacking no longer nullifies their block unless they actually let go. The first hit will be blocked and when you duck and do quick attacks all they have to do is hold the other direction.

Sure it's possibly the most balanced game, but due to people who do nothing but turtle and you have to do a perfect fucking match in order to win against the decent/good players that turtle, the game is just fucked. It's also not fun when 90% of all the players turtle because you have to win by fucking grabs. It's now official in my opinion. Even though I have many more wins than losses, Street Fighter 4 is a piece of shit fighter because it's purely designed for pussy ass bitches.


It's not the most balanced game, and you whine like a baby. Don't play the game if you can't take it.

[G-Boobie]

Street Fighter 4 is just bullshit now.

The game is a pure turtle game. I just fought eight matches with the last two beating me because they did nothing but fucking turtle. The other six players turtled and I won, but it's fucking bullshit. When the best fucking tactic is just hold down and back where NOTHING can damage except specific attacks like "Grab/Guard Break/one regular attack certain characters."

I honestly liked it on Street Fighter Alpha 3 and literally other Street Fighter beforehand that actually allowed you to get around pussies that held down and back. On SF4, jumping over their head and attacking no longer nullifies their block unless they actually let go. The first hit will be blocked and when you duck and do quick attacks all they have to do is hold the other direction.

Sure it's possibly the most balanced game, but due to people who do nothing but turtle and you have to do a perfect fucking match in order to win against the decent/good players that turtle, the game is just fucked. It's also not fun when 90% of all the players turtle because you have to win by fucking grabs. It's now official in my opinion. Even though I have many more wins than losses, Street Fighter 4 is a piece of shit fighter because it's purely designed for pussy ass bitches.

Every time I read a post of yours, my blood pressure rises just a bit.

Jesus.

[kupomogli]

It's not the most balanced game, and you whine like a baby. Don't play the game if you can't take it.

If I can't take it? I "usually" win four to five matches to a single loss(if not more.) It's not "not being able to take it," it's the fact that everyone and their grandmother hides like a bitch in the corner and, if wait until you make your move first and doing nothing but guarding until you make a move. Truthfully it's not very fun taking off atleast half health every match with grabs or a charged attack because they only block and counter.

It's like if you were playing an FPS where the only stage was a flat area with a very small bit of cover but also one high spot that has cover and they'd do nothing but snipe until you killed them from a far more disadvantageous position. Let's also say said match only results in one kill for the winner and for the second match you'd start back where you were and they'd start where they were.

So yeah. Seeing as I don't like to turtle, puts me in a more disadvantageous position since I actually like to play a fighting game like they're supposed to be played. You know, actually moving around and attacking rather than attempt to get an easy win because you're a pussy.


Wow, I may agree with you that SF IV online is bullshit, but man... that's a real prick thing to do.

Well. I decided I'd stop doing that. I did to around 20 people, but then thought about possibly getting IP banned from the PSN or something like that.

[G-Boobie]

If I can't take it? I "usually" win four to five matches to a single loss(if not more.) [...]

So yeah. Seeing as I don't like to turtle, puts me in a more disadvantageous position since I actually like to play a fighting game like they're supposed to be played. You know, actually moving around and attacking rather than attempt to get an easy win because you're a pussy.

I'd like to play you. Send me a friend request on PSN. geoffvdl is the gamer tag.

[Nirvana]

Turtling is a part of the game.

I'll admit; I hate it when people turtle against me. I have a 75% winning percentage (I didn't know Player matches counted toward it o_O so I could be much higher) and most of my losses come from a Balrog and/or a Guile who turtle. However, that's just how it is. Sometimes it's more of a matchup kind of thing. For example, I use Cammy. Everyone knows Cammy doesn't have a move that directly attacks a crouching blocking opponent, so they are forced to sit there and wait. I don't mind it, because I do a lot of things to mess around with them. Also, they know that Cammy is insanely great up close fighting, so they try and wait for me to do something stupid.

That's how it is when I face Zangief. I'm not going to keep Spiral Arrowing him or Hooligan Combinationing him just so he can catch me with a throw or lariat me. So I have to stay away from him and let him chase me. Sounds lame, but hell, I'm not going to go all out on offense just because I hate turtling. Sometimes you just have to do what it takes to win.

[ubersaurus]

If I can't take it? I "usually" win four to five matches to a single loss(if not more.) It's not "not being able to take it," it's the fact that everyone and their grandmother hides like a bitch in the corner and, if wait until you make your move first and doing nothing but guarding until you make a move. Truthfully it's not very fun taking off atleast half health every match with grabs or a charged attack because they only block and counter.

It's like if you were playing an FPS where the only stage was a flat area with a very small bit of cover but also one high spot that has cover and they'd do nothing but snipe until you killed them from a far more disadvantageous position. Let's also say said match only results in one kill for the winner and for the second match you'd start back where you were and they'd start where they were.

So yeah. Seeing as I don't like to turtle, puts me in a more disadvantageous position since I actually like to play a fighting game like they're supposed to be played. You know, actually moving around and attacking rather than attempt to get an easy win because you're a pussy.


Fighting games are meant to be played with two people going all out to win, whatever it takes. Your house rules are just that; turtling has been around since day 1 of fighters. That's what grabs are for. Of course, the way you're talking, you probably have a house rule against those, too.

News flash: If I'm fighting someone in SF I'm not going to rush blindly at them, I'm going to pick my spots and attack, or try to draw them into doing something stupid. I also love how you throw up a video of 3rd Strike, arguably the most turtle-friendly SF game ever made.

Guess what? Crossups do still work in SF4, though not as well as other games. Grabs and throws still work wonders. If all someone is doing is hiding in the corner and blocking, you have options. Hell, pick a character with an overhead attack and mix it up. Or just give up and play house rules against your buddies, whatever.

Also your FPS example makes no goddamn sense in this context, because you have the same possibility to sit and turtle as they do. You just apparently aren't as patient.

[carlcarlson]

You just apparently aren't as patient.

Bingo.

So they aren't playing how you want to play. Maybe you should try messaging them before the match next time and let them know exactly what you would like them to do.

[DreamTR]

If I can't take it? I "usually" win four to five matches to a single loss(if not more.) It's not "not being able to take it," it's the fact that everyone and their grandmother hides like a bitch in the corner and, if wait until you make your move first and doing nothing but guarding until you make a move. Truthfully it's not very fun taking off atleast half health every match with grabs or a charged attack because they only block and counter.

It's like if you were playing an FPS where the only stage was a flat area with a very small bit of cover but also one high spot that has cover and they'd do nothing but snipe until you killed them from a far more disadvantageous position. Let's also say said match only results in one kill for the winner and for the second match you'd start back where you were and they'd start where they were.

So yeah. Seeing as I don't like to turtle, puts me in a more disadvantageous position since I actually like to play a fighting game like they're supposed to be played. You know, actually moving around and attacking rather than attempt to get an easy win because you're a pussy.



Well. I decided I'd stop doing that. I did to around 20 people, but then thought about possibly getting IP banned from the PSN or something like that.

There's a huge problem with Street Fighter IV right now. The fact is, you are complaining about this, but winning 80% of your matches. You are complaining and you say you are winning. That's the first issue.

Second problem, and no offense to anyone here, but EVERYONE I know says they win online almost ALL the freaking time. I mean, there was this problem at the GameStop tournaments I went to, most of the people there say they win 95% of the time online, and it shocks me because hardly anyone really knows how to play this game because they are playing just "random" people online, giving them a false sense of who is good and all. Most of these guys come to the GameStop tournaments EXPECTING to win, and it's another reason why 250+ people went to Final Round this year in Atlanta. So many people THINK they are high level at the game because of the false sense that online play is giving.

You need to play the right people in Street Fighter for one.

Second, competitive play is going to be very boring or hurt real bad in fighting games, so yes, you need to man up and not complain about it.

What is "turtling" to you, may not be the same to others. You even said if someone does the SAME MOVE to you over and over, it's annoying, but hey, they are attacking you, and you need to find a way around it.

If people run to the corner, that's exactly where I want them to be. Best place to take advantage of people.

[kupomogli]

You need to play the right people in Street Fighter for one.

I never said I was pro or good. I'm better than average, so that means I atleast don't suck at the game, which was what I was getting at.

I played against G-Boobie last night and he said I was good with Ryu and Ken, but obviously not very good with Guile who I also used to try and get better with. Even after playing I told him I'm not really good.

I'm not complaining because I suck or I'm good and etc. I'm just complaining that when everyone turtles it just pisses me off.

Anyways. Anyways, since G-Boobie did say that Ubersaurus and DreamTR are pro in a message last night, so why not play a game? I'd like to see how good you guys are. If you are then I doubt I'd win, just like to see how good I would do.


You just apparently aren't as patient.

Actually, that's true. I'm pretty impatient in gaming. That's why I suck at and dislike the Metal Gear series(aside from storyline.)


So they aren't playing how you want to play. Maybe you should try messaging them before the match next time and let them know exactly what you would like them to do.

Good idea. I'll tell everyone to stand still. That'd be less fun than fighting a turtle though. I'd prefer someone to more attack oriented like I am over forcing me to play the waiting game to get a hit in. I can beat Hardest difficulty without dying because the computer plays that way, though Hardest isn't as difficult as it was on the earlier games.

[Nirvana]

I'm definitely going to have to agree with that. Hardest difficulty in this game is nothing compared to Super Street Fighter II on 8 stars. Hell, I had no problem getting that Acheivement where you have to beat Gouken on the hardest difficulty setting.

[kupomogli]

Anyways. There's one thing I did notice as a problem.

First time I beat the game with Ken it was on normal. So I was going for the high score and on Hardest you get more points(this was the other day.) So I chose Hardest and chose 7 rounds each match. Anyways. Only two of rounds I lost so I ended up losing the bonus you get after each of those(but I think I made up for it with the additional points I made each of those extra matches.) One against Abel and unfortunately two against Seth, but still no losses.

I then went to ranking just now and it still showed my 800,000 ranking that I originally got. The thing is. The Hardest mode score I ended up getting was in the 1,600,000 range so that should have put me in place 200-300. But no, I was still in the same place I was in with 800,000 points.

Now another thing I'm thinking is that the first time I played, it was where people could join in. Is it possible that because I was playing it that way that's the only way it posts rank?

*edit*

Just turned it on again and my second Medium score is there. Does seven rounds not allow your score to go in? But now I'm thinking. Why didn't my other match with Ryu on Hardest go in? That was only two rounds.

[ProgrammingAce]

I'm not sure if it's the case in SF IV, but many games only log the leaderboards if you leave all of the settings to default.

[boogiecat]

So far my friend bought a brand new Xbox 360 just for this game..

[kupomogli]

I'm not sure if it's the case in SF IV, but many games only log the leaderboards if you leave all of the settings to default.

It says play Medium or harder for your score to be placed in the rankings or something similar.

[G-Boobie]

I never said I was pro or good. I'm better than average, so that means I atleast don't suck at the game, which was what I was getting at.

I played against G-Boobie last night and he said I was good with Ryu and Ken, but obviously not very good with Guile who I also used to try and get better with. Even after playing I told him I'm not really good.

I'm not complaining because I suck or I'm good and etc. I'm just complaining that when everyone turtles it just pisses me off.

Anyways. Anyways, since G-Boobie did say that Ubersaurus and DreamTR are pro in a message last night, so why not play a game? I'd like to see how good you guys are. If you are then I doubt I'd win, just like to see how good I would do.



Actually, that's true. I'm pretty impatient in gaming. That's why I suck at and dislike the Metal Gear series(aside from storyline.)



Good idea. I'll tell everyone to stand still. That'd be less fun than fighting a turtle though. I'd prefer someone to more attack oriented like I am over forcing me to play the waiting game to get a hit in. I can beat Hardest difficulty without dying because the computer plays that way, though Hardest isn't as difficult as it was on the earlier games.

You have a good sense of how to do a proper shoto rush down, you're fairly handy with your mix up game and footsies, you're good with blocking cross up attempts, and you avoid the urge to SRK at all times... Unless I'm using Vega. Then, you SRK a bit too much. :) Yodelayheehoo and all that.

The reason, Kupo, that you've been treated so dismissively in this thread has to do with your attitude: something I'm sure you're already aware of considering that your quoted post is rational and sane. There are broken elements in many fighting games, but unless you're actively cheating, like using a lag switch or dropping like a cheap bitch, a win is a win. Period.

I'm not especially great(though I'll fuck you up in Brutal Paws of Fury), but I'm hip to how the game is thought of and treated at high levels. That is to say, 'throws are not cheap', 'turtling is not cheap', and most importantly, if you want to get better, you'd better learn to eat some humble pie every now and again. Or in my case, pretty often. When you're in a private room with a gentleman who's gamertag is ShinAkuma, you know you're probably going to get beat on. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you learn from it and accept that you can always improve.

[Nirvana]

4900 points. Characters I'm seeing at this range:

Sagat
Balrog
Dhalsim
E. Honda
Blanka
Ryu
Abel
Rufus

I faced a Gen in this point range, but I beat him to a pulp. It's amazing to see all the Kens disappear.

[G-Boobie]

4900 points. Characters I'm seeing at this range:

Sagat
Balrog
Dhalsim
E. Honda
Blanka
Ryu
Abel
Rufus

I faced a Gen in this point range, but I beat him to a pulp. It's amazing to see all the Kens disappear.

I'm amazed you're still in ranked. After my third drop in one night, I went player and never looked back.

I still get the occasional hate mail, but I collect them like Pokemon now. I figure getting pissed off that someone else is pissed off is pretty dumb.

[DreamTR]

Nirvana: You should add me and play some games. Dream Theater is my gamertag.

[c0ldb33r]

I still get the occasional hate mail, but I collect them like Pokemon now.
Hate mail for what?

[kupomogli]

Probably the opposite of what I used to do. When I beat a turtle I talked a whole bunch of crap.

I now only send messages like "fuck you" to people who drop out of a game I'm clearly winning with no lag.

Also. Nirvana. Is there any way to get matches against people around your rank all the time. I'm only at 2600 because every match I get is either 1000 points below me or lower. I tried going to the one thing to play people ranked higher than me, but the range is only 1000-1500. It also forces me to keep hitting down after that, and a few of those I accidently went to player match and won a match instead because you have to go into ranking, then hit down. If you go to play arcade do you usually get decently ranked people(2000 or higher.)

*edit*

This is bullshit. I keep fighting turtles and I win around four matches each one, only to lose against a low ranking turtle and minus 200+ points. I swear I've only fought three people today since 5PM who weren't turtles(two hour period) and they had 2000+ points, the other 2000+ point person I fought turtled with Sagat(that bitch.) I was close to winning but every time I got up to him and attacked he'd end up countering with a high tiger knee which sent him behind me so I'd have to follow him to that side.

Fucking turtles piss me off. I've decided. I'm going to do nothing but use Sagat on online matches. If they decide they want to turtle then I'll go ahead and do it better. I'd use Akuma but he's too cheap.

*edit again*

Fuck it. I'm not even going to play Street Fighter 4 anymore. I'll get 100% and then quit. Even when I win I hate playing the piece of shit game as SF4 is made for fucking turtles. Atleast 90% of the players turtle and use no more than three attacks(specials included) when you make a mistake. Grabbing isn't even as effective because a grab won't work right off against a blocking ducking character as sometimes it grabs over their head, you have to grab a second time to enact the grab(even when they're ducking,) which some of the time I end up getting hit when they notice I miss the grab. The majority of them will knock you out of the unblockable with two weak hits. I mean they may be suck ass pussies but they're not stupid. Also, grabbing is much more effective as a turtle than it is for someone who is being aggressive.

The reason I'm ranting is because the first person I just played once using Sagat was a fucking turtle. I won. Someone around rank. I won. Wow, 60 points. And people 400 points lower getting 100+ points and lower than that you're fucked. I mean it's just pure bullshit playing online because everyone is a fucking bitch. The only reason I lose against most of them is because like Ubersaurus said, I do get impatient because turtling is the most bullshit thing in a fighting game and it's so much fucking harder getting them when they do so. If I was more patient I'd probably lose less. Hell. I played safely against those turtle bitches just so I could get 10 ranked wins in a row for the trophy(and ended up getting 16 in a row.)

So back where I was. SF4 sucks ass just because everyone turtles hard. Go ahead DreamTR or Ubersaurus. Bitch about OMG YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TEH STREET FIGHTER 4. But yeah. I'm bitching about it even when I'm winning. Deal with it.

[Nirvana]

I usually just set the Custom Match search priority to "More Skilled" and I usually get guys around my rank.

Who did you use prior to Sagat?

[kupomogli]

I usually just set the Custom Match search priority to "More Skilled" and I usually get guys around my rank.

Who did you use prior to Sagat?

I was also set at "More Skilled." If more skilled is people that have 100-500 points then I guess that's correct. Also Ryu or Ken. I'm good with all three characters. I mostly use Ken but I think I'm better with Ryu.

Anyways. Got myself up to 2900 points(that one last rant.) Currently working my way down to 0BP. I'm at 1200 right now. I'm actually fighting the first round, winning, and then just playing a PSP game for the next two rounds. This way I won't bother coming back to the piece of shit due to the fact that I'll have to actually work my way up again. It's not even that it'll be hard to work my way up. I got to 2000 my first day playing actually. It's just the fact that it'll take a little bit to get there so won't bother me on doing it. Oh yeah. And lowering my score to 0, so far I've gotten nothing but people 2000+ a couple 3000+ and only playing on quick match.

*edit*

Just got someone that's 4000. If I actually ended up getting people ranked that high, I might have actually kept playing, whatever now. If I want to play a Street Fighter I'll just play SFA3 on the hardest difficulty. That way it'll actually be a difficult match and... they won't turtle like bitches. Like 99% of the people who play SF4. That way it'll actually be a match and I won't be bored as shit fighting 99% turtles. :O Even if they did turtle on SFA3, the game actually allows you to counter turtling far better than SF4 does, so it's not as bad.

[Nirvana]

Ah.

I'm at 5400 points right now. The only player I see that turtle are Balrog at this point. I use Cammy, and I'm pretty much full on attack. I guess you can consider the Sagats I am seeing as turtles, as they sit there, shoot low fireball, wait for me to jump so they can hit me with his -> FK. I'd say that Sagats that play like that and Ryu in general gives me a tough time. I seem to always get hit by Ryu's LP Shoryuken -> Ultra. o_O

DreamTR: Oops, forgot to send you a FR today. I'll send you one tomorrow.

[G-Boobie]

Hate mail for what?

For winning. If I use throws, focus attacks as a parry/counter, command grabs, or Blanka in any random match, I will sometimes get some smack talk from the guy I just played. It's more common than I'd hoped it was: HD Remix was a bit more civilized(though I collected a few there too).

It's the usual internet retard stuff. "You probably don't have a life", "You're a cheap bitch", etc. etc.

I don't know what they think it accomplishes. I just hit 'block' and carry on.

[kupomogli]

As Balrog, one of the 3000 rank people I fought did nothing but duck/raise and do the one head rush. He was actually the only one I didn't win the first match against, everyone else was a joke.

I think it's because all of the playing I've gotten alot better than I was originally, but it's still not fun playing against turtles. I hate it.

[Nirvana]

For winning. If I use throws, focus attacks as a parry/counter, command grabs, or Blanka in any random match, I will sometimes get some smack talk from the guy I just played. It's more common than I'd hoped it was: HD Remix was a bit more civilized(though I collected a few there too).

It's the usual internet retard stuff. "You probably don't have a life", "You're a cheap bitch", etc. etc.

I don't know what they think it accomplishes. I just hit 'block' and carry on.

Same here. I'll be straight up; if I KNOW I can throw you 3 times in a row, I'll do it. There's a million counters to it, and it's overall a poor offensive strategy. When they let me do it to them, it's on them. One guy messaged me when he disconnected after I went Chris Benoit on his Dhalsim with the german suplexes and he was like "you fucking throw more than gief." i faced him again and minimized my throws, and still beat him. he actually said "i don't mind losing when I don't get thrown 7 or 8 times...gg" and I still thought it was lame because throwing is a part of the game.

[G-Boobie]

Same here. I'll be straight up; if I KNOW I can throw you 3 times in a row, I'll do it. There's a million counters to it, and it's overall a poor offensive strategy. When they let me do it to them, it's on them. One guy messaged me when he disconnected after I went Chris Benoit on his Dhalsim with the german suplexes and he was like "you fucking throw more than gief." i faced him again and minimized my throws, and still beat him. he actually said "i don't mind losing when I don't get thrown 7 or 8 times...gg" and I still thought it was lame because throwing is a part of the game.

Yup. I'll never understand why people get pissed off when you use something specifically built into the game to win... Which is sort of the point of playing people on line.

My favorite message was from a guy who played a pretty scrubby Akuma. I've been maining Blanka and Vega, and throwing in some Honda too. I beat him with Blanka in the first match because all he did was throw air fireballs. All I had to do was jab roll to where he was landing and slide for the knock down, cross up jump mk --> cr. mk xx roll, over and over.

The next match I played Vega and just scarlet terrored him to death because he did the same thing he was doing in the previous match. He finally wised up for round two, but by then I had a full meter and just EX wall dived him for the win. He kicked me from the room and sent me the following:

"Fuck you, you fucking pussy. If they hadn't nerfed Gouki I'd kick your fucking ass every time"(corrected for spelling).

:roll:

I've also gotten some shitty replies to friendly messages. I sent one guy who beat my Balrog with a very good Rufus a 'good game' and got a 'fuck you you suck scrub' in reply.

Bunch of savages.

[duo_r]

I don't get mad about throws, but really if you are doing it 7 or 8 time a match that is just retarded. Where is the skill in that? I don't get mad, I get combo even!

[Mayhem]

I play Sagat and Sakura mostly. I try not to turtle, but if the other player is not offering a huge amount of offence, then it does change the way you approach the matchup. Fireballs, pokes, watching for them to make a mistake. Very little in combo opportunities. Not surprisingly this happens more when they are playing a charge character because a lot of them haven't learned how to attack and charge at the same time, unlike some of us old school SF2 players who knew Guile's 4 move redizzy combo for example and can apply the same principles here. So they sit with a charge and you can't go too close to them without getting a flash kick, headbutt or spinning roll coming your way.

[Famidrive-16]

The only mail I ever got in SF4 was when I beat an Akuma with Zangief, and the guy said "Damn Zangief is a beast now".

[kupomogli]

Zangief is nothing compared to his SFA3 version. It seems you have more HP in SFA3 but Zangief takes as much damage with grabs as he does on SF4. I actually don't think a Zangief has beaten me other than that one while I was working my way down to 0bp.

[Nirvana]

I don't get mad about throws, but really if you are doing it 7 or 8 time a match that is just retarded. Where is the skill in that? I don't get mad, I get combo even!

Where's the skill in not being able to counter consecutive throws in a game?

It balances out. If you suck, then I'll make you look stupid. If I can tell you're good, then of course I'm not going to try and throw you 1000 times.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Can't help it...

http://www.funnycatpix.com/_pics/aggressive_defensive.jpg

Aggro-Cat has failed to set-up a cross with poor spacing. Def-Cat is about to unleash hell. :D

[boogiecat]

The only mail I ever got in SF4 was when I beat an Akuma with Zangief, and the guy said "Damn Zangief is a beast now".

Hahhaha that's funny...

[Nirvana]

So Dream Theater owned me pretty bad. This was probably my worst night in recent history. I went from 6500 BP to 6200, then decided to cool down and face Dream Theater. He beat me about 9 times. I was way too aggressive, and Cammy not having an overhead move hurt me pretty bad. I gotta adjust. No excuses, you were the better man tonight. But I'll definitely be willing to face you again.

Anyway, I decided to play more games, but just kept losing. I'm at 5900 BP now. It just got ugly.

[G-Boobie]

So Dream Theater owned me pretty bad. This was probably my worst night in recent history. I went from 6500 BP to 6200, then decided to cool down and face Dream Theater. He beat me about 9 times. I was way too aggressive, and Cammy not having an overhead move hurt me pretty bad. I gotta adjust. No excuses, you were the better man tonight. But I'll definitely be willing to face you again.

Anyway, I decided to play more games, but just kept losing. I'm at 5900 BP now. It just got ugly.

He beat the ever-loving shit out of me in HD Remix a few months ago, so don't feel too bad. :)

I know you played Cammy: who are you playing, DreamTR?

[GnawRadar]

So Dream Theater owned me pretty bad. This was probably my worst night in recent history. I went from 6500 BP to 6200, then decided to cool down and face Dream Theater. He beat me about 9 times. I was way too aggressive, and Cammy not having an overhead move hurt me pretty bad. I gotta adjust. No excuses, you were the better man tonight. But I'll definitely be willing to face you again.

Anyway, I decided to play more games, but just kept losing. I'm at 5900 BP now. It just got ugly.

Isnt' Cammy's focus attack an overhead?

[c0ldb33r]

Does anyone know... are there any plans to change the VS system so that it will allow spectators? That way you can watch others or could play loser out. That would be a decent DLC offering.

[DreamTR]

Nirvana: You are actually a very good player, but you don't have any spacing, that's the problem. It's not that you are being too aggressive, you're just relying on too many special moves to do the job =P

GBoobie: I always try and use everyone in fighting games at least a little bit, but my main character is Bison. I think I played 6 different characters on Nirvana last night and he used Vega once and Cammy the rest of the time...

Nirvana's definitely got some great potential if he learns some spacing, that's really the only problem....everything else is pretty proficient. Better mixups than a lot of people....

[kupomogli]

After getting to 0BP, I decided I actually wanted to play again. So worked my way up to 900 yesterday and 2600 today. Then the person I just fought. Had 7000+BP with me at 2600.

I won and guess how many points I got. 178. Wtf? That much more and I just get that?

I also fought a Sagat who actually didn't turtle. He only had 2900 points but he was the best player I've faced. He kicked my ass. So now I have a question as well. How do you cancel an unblockable?

[Nirvana]

Nirvana: You are actually a very good player, but you don't have any spacing, that's the problem. It's not that you are being too aggressive, you're just relying on too many special moves to do the job =P

GBoobie: I always try and use everyone in fighting games at least a little bit, but my main character is Bison. I think I played 6 different characters on Nirvana last night and he used Vega once and Cammy the rest of the time...

Nirvana's definitely got some great potential if he learns some spacing, that's really the only problem....everything else is pretty proficient. Better mixups than a lot of people....

Yeah. I have a lot of bad habits. Like, if someone jumps over my spiral arrow, I immediately do another one. Or if they block my spiral arrow, I go right into a cannon spike.

I didn't pick anybody else for a couple reasons. One thing is that I really need to be able beat a great player as Cammy, since she is my main. Also, I picked Vega because I have fun using him, despite not being great with him. I also enjoy using Guile.

I headed into training mode today to practice my combos and re-check the range on all of my pokes. Also, I am in the process of mastering the TK Cannon Strike.

[kupomogli]

I wish Ryu's ultimate was without a cutscene.

The only way I can get off hitting someone with it is to hit them with a single fireball first close range(or super.) Or if I do an unblockable on them and then use it.

I was just winning against another person and he quit the game with half health on the second round. I messed him "quitting bitch." He replied. "why would I quit, I was smokin you." That's bullshit. Asshole had one loss and less health than I had. It'd have been different if he was lagging badly, but it was a perfect connection(from what I could tell.)

*edit*

I also now have 3026 points. I've found out how to beat alot of characters who turtle much easier than before. With Sagat stay ducked and move forward after a high, or move backwards a little and jump when he does a low so you stay out of range. I also like to move forward a little more in range and then jump backwards with an HK where atleast 50% of the time they'll jump forward with a forward MK/HK/HP but I'll get them with the hit(but that's only if I see them jumping towards me alot while turtling.) I think M. Bison is the easiest to beat because most of the players love the down/up hk and I'm almost always waiting for that, jumping backwards then throw an HK, so if they change it up with a down/up k then pp, I'll be safe regardless.

I still hate turtles, but probably more before because I've never played people turtling all the time. Guess I just had to get used to it. If I wasn't bitching like a little girl I'd most likely have 3500-4000 points or higher right now. Because I ended up lowing my BP to 0 and then decided I wanted to come back to the game. My win percentage is in my main screen is also terrible since I lost all those times on purpose. I think it brought me down to 60% by the time I finally got to 0BP. No idea what it is now.

[ubersaurus]

You can cancel a focus attack by just dashing. As for Ryu's ultra, I usually land it by hitting someone with an Anti air jab shoryuken, and then doing the ultra as they're coming down. Works like a charm.

[Nirvana]

Ryu's Ultra is pretty amazing. I see a lot of people online do something like LP Shoryuken -> Ultra. Pretty easy to do and really damn effective.

[G-Boobie]

Yeah. I have a lot of bad habits. Like, if someone jumps over my spiral arrow, I immediately do another one. Or if they block my spiral arrow, I go right into a cannon spike.

I didn't pick anybody else for a couple reasons. One thing is that I really need to be able beat a great player as Cammy, since she is my main. Also, I picked Vega because I have fun using him, despite not being great with him. I also enjoy using Guile.

I headed into training mode today to practice my combos and re-check the range on all of my pokes. Also, I am in the process of mastering the TK Cannon Strike.

Vega is rad. He's sort of nerfed in SF IV, but he's a lot of fun to use anyway. The backflip into scarlett terror or lp roll REALLY makes people online crazy.

I picked up SF IV for 360 to play Sotenga and a couple of the other HG 101 peeps. Add me, Nirvana: I'm up for getting stomped by friendly internet locals.


EDIT: Sending a friend request your way too, Dream TR. Either I deleted you(accident!), or vice versa.

[boogiecat]

F@ck my friend already beaten me on this game 20 times!!!Oh man!!!

[Nirvana]

Vega is rad. He's sort of nerfed in SF IV, but he's a lot of fun to use anyway. The backflip into scarlett terror or lp roll REALLY makes people online crazy.

I picked up SF IV for 360 to play Sotenga and a couple of the other HG 101 peeps. Add me, Nirvana: I'm up for getting stomped by friendly internet locals.


EDIT: Sending a friend request your way too, Dream TR. Either I deleted you(accident!), or vice versa.

K, I'll add you when I get home from work.

I've been running into a lot of disconnecters lately, it's really been pissing me off. Take the loss like a man, you know?

[kupomogli]

K, I'll add you when I get home from work.

I've been running into a lot of disconnecters lately, it's really been pissing me off. Take the loss like a man, you know?

Me too. I've had atleast 10 altogether today. Which I message promptly. "Fuck you fucking quitting faggot."

These are people that are "More Skilled" as well. So I'm losing quite a few points.

*edit*

What the fuck? Two assholes disconnected in a row. I'm starting to take pictures of all those that quit in the middle of the match. I'm going to send them to Capcom. I would be at 4000 if not for this fucking bullshit. But no. Almost get a win and these piece of shit mother fuckers quit the game. Last match and I ended up getting the guy stunned. As soon as I got that ducking uppercut and going to the high Shoryuken showed the disconnection message.

I hope all these pictures I'm taking actually do something. I'd like to see less of this bullshit and those who disconnect get their names removed from the rankings and banned.

WHAT THE MOTHER FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT GOD DAMN FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!! ANOTHER FUCKING BITCH! THIRD FUCKING PERSON IN A ROW.

I know how these piece of shit mother fuckers get there high ranking, they do nothing but disconnect from matches because they get on their knees and suck fucking dick at the game and are no fucking good against real players. Not only do these fucking pussy bitches turtle all the time, now I'm starting to catch every fucking piece of shit asshole in the world that wants to disconnect.

Not that I'm a good player. But I don't disconnect.

*edit a third time*

Street Fighter 4 is a piece of shit. Because of all the damn disconnectors I got today and the people who beat me, I dropped under 3000. Capcom should have made some bullshit for people to get penalized for disconnecting, that way they don't fucking do it. This is horseshit. I got more than 10 fucking people disconnect against me today. It takes long enough to get in a fucking ranked match to begin with(upwards of five minutes.) That's five minutes wasted you have to sit there or atleast in the same room in case you get in a ranked match.

*edit

And another fucker. I'm still taking these pictures. Cussing these pieces of shit assholes out on there PSN mail as well. Telling them hope they like being banned and that hope cheating was worth it.

I only got two disconnections done on me before today. This is pissing me off more than the fucking turtles.

Two more. Both Akuma players. One guy messaged back after I said I took the pic saying it was connection problem. Game running full speed. He had one loss to my none, and then it disconnected with him having enough health to get killed by a Hadoken WHILE BLOCKING. Connection problem my ass.

Atleast I didn't lose to anyone else so far. Ranking is 3200BP again.

*edit*

Played a little bit more and overall got four more disconnects. Back down to 2900BP. You know. Fuck this bullshit. You get the game to have a good experience and then I work around the fucking turtles and go. Okay, I won't be bothered by this bullshit, when infact 99% of the piece of shit mother fuckers still do turtle. But I don't mind, it's okay that they're pussy ass faggot bitches who can't do anything but pick Sagat and his extreme bullshit range that even when you do counter turtle against him he's still a hard fucking piece of shit when one fucking wrong move takes just as much damage with him doing a single fucking attack than you can do in a fucking combo, not to mention an attempted grab or unblockable gets you a tiger uppercut to the face, which hurts so much more when it's powered up one. I think this is the only character people have used whos beaten me all day today except for a very good Ryu and a bitch Akuma. Then the bitches who you do win against who use Sagat end up not only being pussy ass mother fucking turtles, but then disconnect when you actually fuck them up like the stupid ass mother fuckers they are. What's worse is I bet all those people who beat me would have disconnected if they were about to lose as well, especially seeing as most of those piece of shit assholes used Sagat and turtled like fucking bitches.

I doubt Crapcom is going to do shit even if I mail them. Street Fighter 4 is a terribly made piece of shit video game. End of story. Soul Calibur 4 gives a penalty for disconnects, but nooo, not SF4. Maybe I should disconnect every time I almost lose. You know. If Capcom doesn't do anything, then I'm going to do that. Every time I lose one round, I'm disconnecting. If 99% of the pussy ass bitches on here are going to, I'm going to as well. There is no penalty, so who the fuck cares. I'll cheat like those assholes on there. Street Fighter 4 is a piece of shit.

[boogiecat]

Ryu's Ultra is pretty amazing. I see a lot of people online do something like LP Shoryuken -> Ultra. Pretty easy to do and really damn effective.

Yeah that's true!!:hail: Man if only i could do that!!

[G-Boobie]

K, I'll add you when I get home from work.

I've been running into a lot of disconnecters lately, it's really been pissing me off. Take the loss like a man, you know?

Like I said before, my friend: to Hell with ranked matches.

'Battle points' have pretty much proven to be worthless. Player matches are where it's at. And, should you desire something tangible in-game to base your self-appraisal on, there's always the 'win percentage'.

[norkusa]

I haven't played any games online yet (still unlocking all the characters and learning the moves first), but Capcom doesn't give the loss to the person that drops the connection??? They do it in HD Remix, so why not in SFIV?

The only thing that pisses me off more than the disconnect losses are game designers who ignore the problem and do nothing to fix it.

[SurfKahuna]

Anyone here from AZ or CA? If so, we should have a good connection. I live in Phoenix. Here, add me on XBL: SurfKahuna. BTW, bring your A game ;).

[ProgrammingAce]

If the game doesn't penalize you for disconnecting before you loose, why wouldn't you? Obviously Capcom is aware that people disconnect when they're about to loose, they decided not to do anything about it.

Sounds like a legitimate strategy to me. I don't really see why someone would sit there and take a loss if they don't have to. Capcom left disconnects up to the honor system.

[Famidrive-16]

Does anyone know... are there any plans to change the VS system so that it will allow spectators? That way you can watch others or could play loser out. That would be a decent DLC offering.

Supposedly a 'Champion Update' is set for June or so, and will allow lobbies, spectator modes, etc. I don't know much else about it though.

[carlcarlson]

Me too. I've had atleast 10 altogether today. Which I message promptly. "Fuck you fucking quitting faggot."

*loooooong rant*


You've proven yourself to be a person of real quality in this thread.

[G-Boobie]

If the game doesn't penalize you for disconnecting before you loose, why wouldn't you? Obviously Capcom is aware that people disconnect when they're about to loose, they decided not to do anything about it.

Honestly, I think Capcom decided against penalizing disconnects due to accidental (and therefore legitimate) drops. I don't care about rank or battle points myself, but some people take them very seriously (for some reason).

Which leads us to the next subject...


Sounds like a legitimate strategy to me. I don't really see why someone would sit there and take a loss if they don't have to. Capcom left disconnects up to the honor system.

You know, you're right. That being said, it's pretty dumb to cheat in order to get battle points, since cheating immediately robs them of any value. If battle points are supposed to represent and reflect skill in a game, and you 'knock over the chess board' whenever you think you might lose, the entire system becomes suspect.

So again: player matches are where it's at. Not dealing with E-penis enhancement currency and the irrational behavior it produces makes any game better, in my opinion.

[Nirvana]

If the game doesn't penalize you for disconnecting before you loose, why wouldn't you? Obviously Capcom is aware that people disconnect when they're about to loose, they decided not to do anything about it.

Sounds like a legitimate strategy to me. I don't really see why someone would sit there and take a loss if they don't have to. Capcom left disconnects up to the honor system.

1. It's inconvenient as hell. To disconnect you have to go back to the dashboard unplug your cable or turnoff your 360. Disconnectors usually really fucking suck, so are they seriously willing to start the game back up after every single match? It's pathetic that they actually are willing to do this, as I always see people back online that have disconnected.

2. I'm pretty sure in HD Remix you got the win if the other person disconnected. This might be wrong, but as far as I remember that's how it was. They should award you with the appropriate amount of BP and deduct the same amount from the disconnector, as if it was a win and loss. They should be able to do this if they did it for HD Remix.

Some people, like myself, enjoy having SOME sort of ranking system. The win/loss ratio would be sweet if it didn't count ranked matches. My friend and I mess around a lot when we play each other online. Kinda sucks it affects my ratio.

I know I'm not a certified programmer, but hell, that's just my two cents.

[Famidrive-16]

2. I'm pretty sure in HD Remix you got the win if the other person disconnected.

It was, but was glitchy and didn't work all of the time. In the recent patch the disconnect win system works a lot better, for me anyways on the 360.