eBay Gremlin Wagers Wife in Poker Game
– and Wins!
|eBay seller: justinsain0
Auction: 8100611330 (or any of his other 99-cent video game auctions)
All you need to do is sign up for a Real Money online poker account and you will
receive a COMPLETELY FREE BRAND NEW FACTORY SEALED GAME! This is not a scam,
please email me with any questions that you might have.
How to receive this FREE offer.
1. Win this auction
2. You will receive an email with a few bonus codes.
3. Sign up for a NEW account at PartyPoker using one of the bonus codes
4. Deposit at least $50 into your account to receive the PartyPoker deposit
5. Your FREE game will then be shipped to you free of charge.
Note: You will not receive anything if 3 & 4 above are not completed.
Opening bid: Fellow DP users may remember this "gambler” from either of these
Now, what kind of scam pray tell is this? If the seller’s eBay name doesn’t tip
you off that not all is kosher in this new deli, his auction conditions surely
will. I love the “This is not a scam” statement. You have all read ad
descriptions like that before, right? Sure you have. “The game is in MINT
shape”, “The car runs flawlessly/no problems whatsoever”, “I am not fat/I have
an athletic build”. It’s not a scam, it just sounds like one. You’ll get your
game - you’ll just pay more for it than you wanted to. As you will soon see, his
detailed, step-by-step requirements are missing a few.
“All you need to do” is that, and more. Time to call this player's bluff...
<eBay gremlin> What is with all the poker
strategy stuff in your auctions? Are you addicted to poker or something?
<justinsain0> What does a strategy have to do with addition? There is no
correlation whatsover there. Anyhow, the answer to your question. eBay will not
host an auction which has nothing for sale. In order to make this offer
available, there has to be an actual object for sale. This object is an ebook
telling you how to play poker well.
<eBay gremlin> Sure there is a correlation- gambling addicts don't want to lose
money so they learn all the strategies they can J.
eBay won't host an auction that has nothing for sale? You are KIDDING ME! So if
the object in this particular auction is the poker strategy book then why do you
need to add the game? Why do all of your auctions have something related to
poker in them when most of the stuff you are selling has NOTHING to do with
<justinsain0> I am not "selling" anything! I am buying someone a gift if they
sign up for a poker account. Why my auctions have something to do with poker is
because the poker people pay me a lot of money to sign people up. If it was
church bingo that was paying me, I would be promoting bingo. Don't you
understand that I'm just trying to make a few dollars here? It doesn't
necessarily have to do with video games, its just something in my budget that
helps the product sell. I’ve offered free books and even DVD's, but nothing
sells on eBay like a video game.
[“Not selling anything”. You can say that again.]
<eBay gremlin> Ok, but why must I pay $50 to get a game that isn't worth $50
new? I don’t understand this.
<justinsain0> You have to deposit $50 into your poker account. You can withdraw
that amount after you deposit if and get your $50 back. You are not paying
[Let me mention something about this right now. Party Poker will only release
the $50 to the referrer if the referred plays 50 raked hands of poker. They
state this right on their “tell a friend” terms-and-conditions page-
To put it another way- you, the buyer, have to play 50 hands of poker before he
sees his $50. And Party Poker will not let you just take back your $50 without
some sort of commitment to play or getting something for their "trouble",
otherwise people would be constantly exploiting this!]
<eBay gremlin> If I can withdraw it after depositing it, then what is the point
to depositing it to begin with? Please explain this to me in more detail. I am
interested in a few of your items, but this whole $50 poker account thingamajob
makes no sense to me. No sense at all.
<justinsain0> I get credit for signing up new people to party poker. As soon as
you make your $50 deposit, you’re considered signed up. All I want is the credit
for that. If you use a bonus code that I send you, then I will get credit. In
exchange for giving me that credit, I will go to my local store and buy you a
brand new copy of the game that you want and send it to you at my expense. After
that, since the $50 is in your personal poker account, you can do whatever you
want with it. If you choose to take your $50 out, or play with it, or just leave
it there, or whatever else, that is up to you. That way we both win. You get a
free game, and I get credit for signing someone up. Does that make any sense?
<eBay gremlin> Not particularly. You're willing to buy a new game and sell it
for as little as 5 cents in order to get "credit" for signing someone up to this
poker party dohicky dealio. Why not just take the same money and use it to sign
up a new account? What kind of racket is this thing? Some sort of clever
operation to pay off gambling debts?
<justinsain0> Party Poker pays me $65 for each person who signs up. Think of it
as we are splitting the profits. You get $35 I get $30.
[Now he is getting $65 instead of $50. Where’d that extra $15 come from? We’ll
get back to this a bit later.]
<eBay gremlin> Sounds like I have to give personal information or credit card
information to sign up, otherwise anyone with an email account can do it, and if
that is so then why do you need people to sign up for you? Once I deposit the
$50 I can just withdraw it without any other obligations or requirements? And
what is this ‘bonus code’ thingy you keep talking about? Is that like a discount
code that you see for airline tickets and hotel rooms, so like you can save
money on the full amount that you would normally otherwise squander? Thanks for
all the quick replies.
<justinsain0> Yes, the only way you can deposit $50 is to give your credit card
or bank account info (or else how else would you be able to put money in)
[Oh, I don’t know- check, money order, wire transfer, etc.]
Yes, once you deposit your $50 you can withdraw it without any other
obligations. The bonus code is tracked to me so that it proved that I signed you
up. Let me try to trace and explain this for you. I have an account with party
poker. Each person who signs up with my bonus code gives me one referral credit.
As soon as each person makes a real money deposit (minimum $50) I get credit for
signing that person up (they know I signed them up because the bonus code is
matched to me). In addition, for signing up, party poker gives each new member a
bonus of $25. After I get this credit, party poker gives me $65. It is more
convincing to get people to sign up if I give them free things like games. So I
give new games to people who sign up, and keep the money that is left over. It
is very profitable, and everyone wins.
I hope that makes sense. If you still don’t get it, I don’t know what else to
[Ooo, now I get an extra $25 when I sign up. Or do I?]
<eBay gremlin> Ok Justin, guess that sounds about fair to me. So I get $25 for
signing up after I give them $50, and you get $65, is that right? Wow, that
seems like a lot of money they are giving out just to sign up a new member, but
they must have the money for this. Gambling does pay to someone, right! Crazy
gambling money! Why don’t you mention the extra $25 in the auction? You might
get more people bidding on your games if they know that, or maybe it’s a secret
promotion thing that you don’t want anyone to know about? So then I can do a
withdrawal for my original $50 plus the extra $25? That is a pretty good deal!
The only real problem I have with all of this is- I don’t know HOW to play
poker! I know it is unbelievable in this day an age of gambling, stealing,
rampaging drug use, and other forms of subtle disregard for civility, but since
I have a free $25, I might be willing to learn. Do they offer some sort of
tutorial on this gambino site or can you offer me some playing tips or
strategies? I wanna be an action player!
<justinsain0> No, you need to play 125 hands before the $25 bonus from party
poker is released. MY free game is immediate.
[Ah, he didn’t mention that little fact. One of many, as we will soon learn.]
<eBay gremlin> So if I use your code, I don’t get the $25, but I don’t have to
play with any hands. And I don’t have to, to get my $50 back, correct? I would
still like to know how to play poker. Maybe I can get in on this action and cut
myself a slice of “lime pie”, you know what I’m talking about? But I need to
know how to play! Or rather, how to play smart and not lose my fruit slings!
What do you say? Help a wannabe gambling addict out.
<justinsain0> You can take your $50 back by withdrawing it, or you can leave it
and play some poker and then you’ll get the $25 bonus too. If you want to play
poker, they have low stakes tables there, 50 cents a hand. And sure, I would be
glad to help you learn how to play.
[At 50 cents a game, that is a lot of poker you’ll be playing!]
<eBay gremlin> I thought I had to use their code first to get the extra $25. I
can do that with yours too? 50 cents a hand sounds pretty good. How high do the
stakes go? And this is all on the uppity-up? They don’t try to trick you by
saying “oh play this game, it’s a real small baller, and then you find out it’s
2Gs a pop (gambling lingo – pretty good, eh? I learned it!). It sounds like you
really know your way around a poker table. How long have you been doing this
sort of stuff, living the Vegas lifestyle, as they say?
Thanks for the tutorial offer, which I gladly accept. Why, I’ll give you a
couple bucks for helping me out. Who knows, maybe one day we will play real
poker at a real table - 2 highly skilled card wranglers - and gamble for high
stakes, like betting each other’s trucks or wives! Hehe. Oh, do you have to use
your real name on this poker site or can you use “gambling” names like Micky
Finn, Tommy Jackpot, Chip Nicker, or Tomato? My real name (Stephen Lumas)
doesn’t sound like it would intimidate any of my future would-be opponents. And
I certainly couldn’t use my high school nickname (“Given Lupas”). Those felt-top
pros would see me coming a mile away, and give me a real good shanking, know
what I mean?
Talk with ya soon, pard’ner.
<justinsain0> Here’s the thing with bonus codes. "My" bonus code and "their"
bonus code is the exact same thing.
[How can that be? He said his code was “matched” to him!]
Basically any bonus code that you find for an extra $25 comes from someone and
they get credit for referring you. Party Poker themselves don’t put any bonus
codes out; they all come from other members. So "my" bonus code is created at
their site, and is therefore a bonus from them, but traced to me (to give me
[Sure they do. Party Poker mentions the $25 bonus code – TAF15 – right on their
“tell a friend” terms-and-conditions page (listed earlier), and at
So, are you still interested in joining and getting a free game for it? Cause
here are your bonus codes, just tell me which game you want. I made two for you,
it’s your choice. Go to www.partypoker.com and click download. When you sign up
for a new account it’ll ask for a "sign up bonus code" enter one of the
LUMAS25 - They will add $25 to your account when you make first deposit, you
will need to play 125 hands to release this bonus
[Not really a great deal, if all you want is his eBay game.]
LUMAS20 - They will add an additional 20% to whatever you deposit, up to $100.
So you need to deposit $500 to get a bonus of $100. You need to play 5 times the
bonus amount in hands to release this bonus.
[Even worse of a deal, if all you want is his eBay game.]
Yes, the stakes go high, up to no limit games where you bet whatever you would
like. I’ve seen single hands go for thousands of dollars. It just depends on how
controlled you are.
Yes, you can use cool poker names, what shows when you play is your username,
which you can create.
Any more questions?
<eBay gremlin> How can I resist such a lucid and detailed explanation as that?
Even if I could, the use of poker names really sold me! I think that is just too
cool, way cool and sweet as the little bastards always say. What do you use? Do
you use more than one? I guess a professional player like you has several
aliases you go by, right? I think I’ll use something common like “Joe” or
“Richard Miller”, to throw everyone off and make them think I’ll just an
“average Joe” when in fact I’m a pokin-playin killa! What do you think? Maybe I
should use a tried-an-true nickname like “cool hand Luke”, “John ‘High-Stakes’
Wayne”, or Steve "up your ante" Lumas? Or maybe I should just use my wife’s
maiden name (Hellen Baskin. I always kid her that her last name should have been
Back, but she hates that joke. A lot. Women…) – that way if I lose big, they’ll
come to cap her knees and not mine. And then I’ll get one of those casino girls!
Pretty clever, eh little chum? I just have to remember to use her credit card
when I sign up, or I’m really done for I think. But I need a NAME first. I have
to know the name when I go to sign up though, right? I really really just don’t
know. Help me out here, pard’ner!
Thanks for the codes. That was very generous of you. I’ll ask one of my no-good
kids what game they want and let you know. I think I should bet a few of them in
my first high-stakes party poker game. Right? I also have to decide which code
to use. The $25 is nice, but I think I’m really going to like playing poker so
maybe the high bonus one is the way to go. One question- you say if I use that
one, I have to play 5 times the bonus amount in hands. Does that mean I have to
play $500 in poker (win or lose) to get the $100? So if I play one $500 hand
(and hopefully win) then I’d get the $100, or do I have to play low-stakes
“Poker Hi+Lo Steve”
<justinsain0> You can play any stakes of hands. To release the $100 bonus you
need to play 5 times the bonus amount, so that’s 500 hands. If you play one $500
hand and win or lose, you have played 1 hand, 499 more to go. When you select
the game, please choose from my eBay auctions, I can’t afford more expensive
[“5 times the bonus amount”. I must be missing something here because it
doesn’t say you have to play 500 hands of poker, you just have to spend $500
playing poker. What’s the difference if you play 500 $1 games or 1,000 50-cent
<eBay gremlin> Heya, pard’enr. It looks like playing ‘el cheaperino’ hands is
the way to go, right? Boy, that’s a LOT of poker though. Good thing I recently
had that super-high internet installed. Perfect timing I’d say! Now I can be the
fasterest poker chip-lickin, money-squandering, IOU note-writin gambler there
is! You said you can’t afford more expensive games. Forgive me, but I thought
you were one of those high-rollers! Maybe that’s all a “front” to your real
persona, hmm? Works pretty good. HAD ME FOOLED. Do you gamble for real, I mean
like in casinos, airports, drug stores, people’s basements you don’t know….that
sort of thing? I’m curious to know if doing online gambling leads to real
habit-forming gambling. I have a job, a secretary, a mother, a wife, 2 ex-wives,
1 too many kids, and several bartenders depending on me. Naturally you can
understand how a poker gambling habit would be an inconvenience to all that.
Speaking of kids, they said they are looking for some Gamby Advance games. They
didn’t say which ones, so any will do. Just let me know what you have and I’ll
bid on them. Mucho gracious..
Steve “tossin my chips” Lumas
<justinsain0> Sounds good, by "cant afford more expensive games" means I am
buying the video games to send you, and don’t get too much to sign people up, so
only the games I have available will work. But the more expensive poker games,
yes, I have been known to show my face there time and again. 125 poker hands
isn't too much, it goes quick. I do play real poker, casinos, basements and what
have you, but the online poker didn’t lead to these, they lead to the online
poker. What kind of an addict it makes you depends on how much you play.
[Important lesson to remember there, kids. You will only get addicted if you
play a LOT.]
I could get you any of these games brand new for game boy advance
Disney's home on the range
Need for speed: porche released
Street Jam Basketball
Cartoon Network Speedway
Harry Potter and the Chamber os secrets
super monkey ball jr.
I could get any of these used
sonic advance 2
metroid: zero mission
harvest moon: friends of mineral town
Let me know if this works for you and which one they want. Questions? send em
<eBay gremlin> Well, my wife got wind of what I’m thinking about doing (“evil
dirty despicable gambling nonsense” – her words), and it’s been all
pots-and-pans banging here ever since. When she goes off, it’s like trying to
explain math to the Hulk. Screw her. I don’t get those little punks much, but
when I set my mind to do something I go ALL THE WAY. And those brats are gonna
get games, dammit. She blows money all the time on all this Lennox crap. There’s
a whole cabinet full of the shit in MY living room. I often imagine myself
choke-slamming her into it when she gets like this, just like a kick-ass pro
wrestler ……BUT of course you can’t do things like that. Not without a good
alibi, or a good lawyer. Or both. HAhAhAHA! Maybe I’ll run into one of those
mobbed-up guys in my future poker gambling adventures, and we’ll cut a side bet
J. She makes me sometimes wonder if I shouldn’t just slide around to the other
side of the table, know what I mean? Then I could get a little hucklebuck from
some French businessman in Atlantic City, and roll him for all his moola in the
morning, NJ-style! Anyway, back to biz. Good to know that if I don’t play a lot,
I won’t get addicted. But if I did, I might be forced to sell all that lennix
junk, and what a damn cryin shame THAT would BE! Hyperkinetically speaking, what
if I ultimately decide that I don’t want to play poker, and just want to get my
$50 back. If I use a bonus code, do I have to play, or could I just get the $50
back and forgo the bonus stuff? Now to go find that creature’s credit card and
do a little spending of my own. With the games, I know they like Pokeman and
Harry Potterin, or anything else that you think girls are into. Yes, I’m the
only man in the house. Pray for me, pard’ner.
Steve “these hands were made for achokin, and that’s just what they’ll do” Lumas
<justinsain0> Ha, sounds good, and yes you can stop right after signing up and
get your $50 foregoing the "bonus stuff." You seem to have a very creative mind.
Are you a writer?
[The bonus code isn’t required, but it certainly is a big part of his sales
<eBay gremlin> The bonus stuff isn’t required. That is good to know, thanks. Am
I a writer? No, I am a custodian at a local school. Do you think I would make up
stuff about my wife?! Justin, if I was gonna make up stuff about her I would say
she was pretty enough to kill for and that she never pushes my anger buttons.
The reality is, she’d cook my nuts in a crock pot if given the chance. Any one
would think that I would have learned from my first 2 marriages and not do it
again, but here I am. I’m glad you think my life is funny.
<justinsain0> I didn’t say funny, I said creative. Writers don’t just make
things up, they make the truth sound interesting too.
[They sure do. Writers are just amazing people, are they not?]
<eBay gremlin> Ok, I have more time to talk, type, write and what not. The queen
flew off on her broom for the day, thank god. I looked up, researched, and
otherwise found this little gambino poker place of yours. According to their web
site, they give you $50 for referring a friend, not $65. Where does the extra
$15 come from?? They also say on the site that “In addition, we will release $50
(to the person who referred the new member) only after the Referred Friend has
played 50 raked hands at PartyPoker.com. You would then be entitled to freely
cash out the Bonus Amount.” Sounds like if I sign up and then withdraw my moola,
then you don’t get your bonus? How can that be? People would be rippin you off
left an right, would they not? There must be more to this dealio.
Stevie “Joker Poker” Lumas
<justinsain0> I have a special deal with party poker that they give me $65, not
$50, and I get it as soon as the first deposit is in. In other words, the 50
hands are not required for the people that I refer, so nobody is ripping me off
in any direction. I was just over some of these emails to figure out exactly
what I have been promising you through all of these emails, and I noticed
something strange. You say that you have a secretary, and then you tell me that
you are a school custodian. Since when does your common "custodial engineer"
have a secretary? Maybe I need to get in on some of this action. And I dont
think I ever answered your question about which name I go by. Its Justinsane in
most of the poker rooms I play at. (clever, huh?) Have you settled on a name
[A “special deal”, that is not mentioned anywhere on their site. He must be a
RIP (real important player) to them.]
<eBay gremlin> Justin (sorry…Justinsane) Oh yeah, I think I settled on a name to
use- Poker Gremlin? What do you think, pardner? So is this special deal you have
only offered to their very bestest players or those who are the most active
spending money, or getting others to spend money? Is there a better deal you can
get if you get someone hopelessly addicted and they blow their life savings? Ha!
I can’t seem to find any reference to this on that website. Maybe they don’t
want playas to know there is a way around being required to play poker? You say
the bonus stuff isn’t important but you have talked much about it and it seems
to figure heavily in your eBay advertisements J, and from your auction
descriptions it seems to be required as part of winning it. Glad to know you
aren’t getting ripped off with that little loophole. I know, you probably wait
to send the auction stuff, right? I would! As for work yeah we have a secretary
in our custodial department. It is a big school that includes grades 5-12 and
she handles filing all the incident reports for the school also- littering
(paper, gum, nose boogering and more), thefts, vandalism, fights, stabbings,
shootings, fights that lead to stabbings and shootings, and even dress code
violations. It is a crazee place some days, and it will only be getting worse
now with the warmer weather coming. If ants had pants, and they were full of
ants, they would act just like little hoodlums act. One day, probably my last
one, I’m gonna Babe Ruth one of them with my mop. That will be fun. If that
poker party place had some kind of kids-for-cash bonus program deal, I would be
rich, RICH I tell ya!
[Few days go by with no reply. Good time to show my 'cards' - read 'em and
<eBay gremlin> Hmm, haven’t heard from ya, “pard’ner”. Can’t say I’m surprised
at your sudden conversation “withdrawal”. I’ll level with you here- I had the
spider sense that you were not telling the whole story with this bonus thing (I
know this because my testes get tingly). If the bonus code isn’t required or
important – as you say it is - then why do you keep mentioning it? I noticed you
advertise it in all of your video game-related auctions:
3. Sign up for a NEW account at PartyPoker using one of the bonus codes
4. Deposit at least $50 into your account to receive the PartyPoker deposit
From your own auction description, you say all you have to do is sign up and
deposit $50 in your account to get the bonus money when clearly if they use your
codes, the only way to get that money is to either play 50 hands of poker (to
get your initial $50 back) or spend 5x what the bonus amount ($25) is worth! Why
is it you never mentioned this? Just curious. That is exactly what is says on
PartyPoker’s “Tell A Friend” main page:
http://www.partypoker.com/tell_a_friend/index.html. However, if you click on the
link for more details and term conditions
(http://www.partypoker.com/tell_a_friend/taf_terms_conditions.html) you find:
“4) The $25 will automatically be added to the Referred Friend’s Bonus Account
and then released to his/her Real Money Account once the release requirements
have been satisfied. The release requirement is that the Referred Friend play
raked hands equal to five times the bonus amount ($25) before the bonus is
transferred to his/her Real Money Account from the Bonus Account. “
And what of this:
“5) To receive $50 for referring a friend, the Referring Friend must have a Real
Money Account (an account to which real money has previously been deposited) to
which the $50 will be credited. If not the $50 will be on hold until the
Referring Friend make a Real Money Deposit. In addition, we will release $50
only after the Referred Friend has played 50 raked hands at PartyPoker.com. You
would then be entitled to freely cash out the Bonus Amount."
I fold (and so should you).
[This is why chances are he is not going to send you your item until you not
only sign up and deposit the required $50 minimum into your new account, but
ALSO play at least 50 hands of poker, so that he gets his $50!]
Yes, it’s a scam, and although it is not illegal, it skates right near the edge.
It takes advantage of people with fast button-clicking reflexes - gamers - who
will only see a game at an incredibly low price and bid before realizing what
they signed themselves up for. Bottom line here is, you are not going to get a
brand-new game for $1 (anyone who thinks they will has to be "just insane")..
Looking back at his list of requirements, #4 is woefully inaccurate. Naturally,
most people would not realize that until it was too late, or they took the time
to investigate that PartyPoker site. Speaking of which, here are a few more
tidbits I found there:
All amounts cashed out are subject to the transaction limits and processing fees
as set forth at PartyPoker.com and may change from time to time in Company's
Forfeiture, Account Closure and Confiscation. If you participate in a
PartyPoker.com promotion and withdraw before fulfilling the requirements of that
If it seemed hard to get a straight answer from this poker-faced seller, getting
one from Party Poker proved just as trying:
<eBay gremlin> If I sign up for an account (through a member's referral) and
deposit $50 or $100 into it, am I committed to playing poker or can I withdraw
my full deposit at any time without any fees or charges?
As you have mentioned in your mail please be informed that you can
withdraw the amount after you make deposit. The minimum amount which you can
withdraw is $50 and please note that there is a 8 hour security restriction
after ever purchase before you can request for a withdrawal.
<eBay gremlin> I just have a few more questions I hope you don't mind helping me
For example, if I open an account and deposit $50, if I want to withdraw the
$50, what (if any) amount would the processing fee for this be? If I sign up
using a bonus code, how would that affect me in this example? Does it affect the
Your standard-terms-conditions page mentions a promotional bonus, which will be
held until you play raked hands equal to ten (10) times the bonus amount within
fifteen (15) days of making your deposit. What amount is this bonus? And by
"playing raked hands equal to 10 times the bonus amount", how much does it cost
to play each hand? For example, if this bonus amount is $100, could I play 10
hands at $100 a hand, or 5 hands at $200 each? Or is there a fixed amount or
limit to the price for each hand played as it applies to meeting this
"Tell a Friend" offer: a member of Party Poker is telling me that he has a
special deal with you that entitles him to $65 if he refers someone to open an
account, and not the $50 that is stated on your terms-and-conditions page. He
also states that people who join through him are not required to play 50 raked
hands of poker. Is this true?
<partypoker> When you make a cash out after the security restriction of 8 hours
mentioned in the previous mail, there are no charges or fees if you opt for the
money to be sent to you by US Post or to your bank account. If your request is
for the cash out amount to be sent by
a) Wire - there is a fee of $35
b) Check by FedEx - there is a fee of $25
All bonuses will be credited to your account on playing the required number of
raked hands. The number of raked hands to be played will depend on the type of
<eBay gremlin> Thanks. Yes, I realize the number of raked hands to be played
depends on what bonus offer I'm using. What I'm asking is, what constitutes a
hand, as far as cost is concerned?
Also, what of the information told to me by a Party Poker member?
There's no deals to be had
here, and sometimes getting a straight answer is harder than getting a straight
hand of cards. Not long after, eBay started addressing 'switcheroo'
sellers like this one. As an old card shark once told me, "If something
sounds too good to be true, it probably it."